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Qantas A380 door nearly ripped off aircraft during towing mishap

Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:34 pm

A Qantas A380 (VH-OQB) has been damaged while being towed out of a hangar. The aircraft struck scaffolding and the front lower R1 door was nearly ripped off. As a result today's QF7 SYD-DFW was cancelled. It is expected to take about 2 weeks to repair the damaged aircraft

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Re: Qantas A380 door nearly ripped off aircraft during towing mishap

Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:58 pm

Only the door damaged? Guess we are going to have wing walkers in the hanger now.
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Re: Qantas A380 door nearly ripped off aircraft during towing mishap

Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:09 pm

Not that long ago EK also had a door ripped off in an hanger incident.
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Re: Qantas A380 door nearly ripped off aircraft during towing mishap

Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:19 pm

The aircraft must like being a Hanger Queen. When I was a mechanic you ALWAYS had Wing Walkers when an aircraft was being moved into or out of a hanger as well as when an aircraft was being moved to or from a gate at the ramp. You do not cut corners when towing an aircraft. :old:
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Re: Qantas A380 door nearly ripped off aircraft during towing mishap

Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:27 pm

Let me get in front of this right now - Please! No jokes about speed tape! We all know that joke!

Enough!
 
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Re: Qantas A380 door nearly ripped off aircraft during towing mishap

Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:48 pm

How the heck does such an event happen? Cost cutting on wing walkers just cost them any money ever saved.
 
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Re: Qantas A380 door nearly ripped off aircraft during towing mishap

Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:55 pm

Maybe the plane is so big the wing walkers couldn’t see everything.
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Re: Qantas A380 door nearly ripped off aircraft during towing mishap

Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:27 pm

ikramerica wrote:
Maybe the plane is so big the wing walkers couldn’t see everything.
smithbs wrote:
Let me get in front of this right now - Please! No jokes about speed tape! We all know that joke!

Enough!

Is it a write off?


I suspect your comment was facetious, but trying to visualise what happened, you might actually be right.

As I imagine the plane would have been with its nose in the hangar and tail outside,it was being pushed backwards. In this case,would wingwalkers have been towards the tail and wide,also ensuring no idiot was trying to drive something along the apron. From that position,would a wingwalker have been able to see the door ? Would it have been normal for the plane to be moved with the door open ? It rather looks as if it may have been moved before all the external access platforms had been removed to a safe position.

I have no knowledge of standard practices, but does my theory fit the available facts ?
 
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:09 pm

Interesting, that door was definitely still open for maintenance as there is that red/white safety pole/strap in place. Probably a bit more to it than just being pushed out of the hangar as surely an engineer at QF would have done a walk around before commencing a push out of a hangar, especially one with what appears to be some form of docking to ensure all platforms are clear and doors are closed.
 
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:54 pm

Very sad for the aircraft involved. And operational nightmare for airline.
 
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:17 pm

Someone will have to explain something, these two weeks out of duty will be a high expensive nightmare.
 
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:35 pm

This will cause an operational nightmare for the airline, whose A380s (12 in all) are tightly scheduled and with the entire fleet going through cabin modifications.
 
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Re: Qantas A380 door nearly ripped off aircraft during towing mishap

Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:40 pm

The scaffolding was safety yellow and not far from the nose wheel, even the tug operator should have seen this.
 
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Re: Qantas A380 door nearly ripped off aircraft during towing mishap

Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:23 pm

How someone moves an A380 without looking around it first is beyond me...even if there were no other people assisting. Come awn guys, this is first day shit. Ofcourse I wasn't there so who knows what really happened.
 
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Re: Qantas A380 door nearly ripped off aircraft during towing mishap

Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:53 pm

HiFly can help! Their „whale“ 9H-MIP is without work since October, 7! ;)
 
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Re: Qantas A380 door nearly ripped off aircraft during towing mishap

Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:11 am

smithbs wrote:
Let me get in front of this right now - Please! No jokes about speed tape! We all know that joke!

Enough!

The door is clearly stuck in that position. It needs WD40.
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:29 am

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HiFly can help! Their „whale“ 9H-MIP is without work since October, 7! ;)

If HiFly's A380 is available, time to press it into service. Not cheap, but the best solution.

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Re: Qantas A380 door nearly ripped off aircraft during towing mishap

Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:50 am

lightsaber wrote:
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HiFly can help! Their „whale“ 9H-MIP is without work since October, 7! ;)

If HiFly's A380 is available, time to press it into service. Not cheap, but the best solution.

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It's early-to-mid November, a generally very quiet travel period. Between selectively cancelling a couple of DFW turns where there are realistic options to rebook passengers via LAX or SFO, or by downgauging QF35/36 MEL-SIN-MEL, they can probably cover for a couple of weeks. If this happened in 6 weeks time then they might need to consider alternatives.
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:09 am

ikramerica wrote:
smithbs wrote:
Let me get in front of this right now - Please! No jokes about speed tape! We all know that joke!

Enough!

Is it a write off?

Clearly that won't buff out.
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Re: Qantas A380 door nearly ripped off aircraft during towing mishap

Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:32 am

I agree, speed tape will not work, gorilla tape on the other hand.......
 
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Re: Qantas A380 door nearly ripped off aircraft during towing mishap

Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:25 am

smithbs wrote:
Let me get in front of this right now - Please! No jokes about speed tape! We all know that joke!

Enough!


What about “that will buff right out”?

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Re: Qantas A380 door nearly ripped off aircraft during towing mishap

Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:40 am

In fairness- I know QF has very strict policies around moving their aircraft around the Sydney ‘jet base’ however I’d imagine Swiss cheese effect - something was left out in the way, another aircraft was parked adjacent to the hangar, wing Walker was so focused on the win tip he wasn’t looking at the forward nose, cabin door was left open due to excessive cabin heat?

I’d be more surprised if the wingtip has clipped, but this seems such an unusual angle I don’t think a walker is normally allocated to the front of the aircraft.
 
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Re: Qantas A380 door nearly ripped off aircraft during towing mishap

Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:43 am

You would think there would be a checklist (perhaps on a iPad or tablet) for the 'wingwalkers' to use and especially with the 380 due to likely tight clearances.
 
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Re: Qantas A380 door nearly ripped off aircraft during towing mishap

Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:02 am

Looks like a classic case of not following procedure, probably due to schedule pressure.

With holiday travel and southern hemisphere summer approaching not the most ideal timing. A two week fix is lucky.
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:09 am

T4thH wrote:
Someone will have to explain something, these two weeks out of duty will be a high expensive nightmare.


I'd be more concerned for the person who took the photo and leaked it to the press.
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:10 am

In addition to wingwalkers they should have doorwalkers?
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:17 am

Give Airbus a ring for new door or the scrapper scrapping ex-SQ breaker at LDE, they should have some spare lying around.
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:31 am

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Very sad for the aircraft involved. And operational nightmare for airline.



As much as we love aircraft, that can be repaired, someone might have some explaining to do, and yes an operational nightmare, fortunately it didn’t happen in a few more weeks with peak season approaching.
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:41 am

qf002 wrote:
T4thH wrote:
Someone will have to explain something, these two weeks out of duty will be a high expensive nightmare.


I'd be more concerned for the person who took the photo and leaked it to the press.


Agreed, very inconsiderate of their colleagues in the Media team who have to manage this now, along with 737 pickle fork coverage. I believe in a just culture so unbiased investigations for those involved in the incident itself. For those that leaked the photo - no excuse, dismissal if caught.

Whilst contradictory- as an avgeek was whilst this is sad for the airframe, and I hope good learnings and practices are uncovered - glad the pic was leaked so we could understand a little more of the inner workings and events at QF.
 
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Re: Qantas A380 door nearly ripped off aircraft during towing mishap

Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:21 am

As mentioned on the Australian Thread, QF1 SYD-SIN-LHR is cancelled on Monday
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:30 am

Steve Purvinas at the Engineering union is always very quick at blaming Qantas any time he's unhappy. What about when it's one of his guys who cause the damage ?
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:55 am

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Steve Purvinas at the Engineering union is always very quick at blaming Qantas any time he's unhappy. What about when it's one of his guys who cause the damage ?


It will somehow be traced to outsourced labor. Or "management pressures on staff to cut corners and work 200hr weeks with unpaid overtime".

whichever.
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:04 am

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Steve Purvinas at the Engineering union is always very quick at blaming Qantas any time he's unhappy.


To be fair, questioning the actions of business/employers and defending the actions of members/employees is the very purpose of a union boss. What else would you have him do? I am sure that whichever employees were involved in this incident, they will be assisted through the inquiry process by their union.
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Re: Qantas A380 door nearly ripped off aircraft during towing mishap

Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:53 am

There spare 747 will cover for that loss...........
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:18 pm

Always walk around your trailer and make sure everything is shut tight. Towing 101. Jeez :)

If the whale is available maybe insurance will pick up the tab. I love the livery but the interior is kind of blah.
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:27 pm

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There spare 747 will cover for that loss...........


What spare 747 is that?
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:42 pm

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There spare 747 will cover for that loss...........


Which one? There are only 6 left and they're spoken for on other routes.
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:32 pm

smi0006 wrote:
In fairness- I know QF has very strict policies around moving their aircraft around the Sydney ‘jet base’ however I’d imagine Swiss cheese effect - something was left out in the way, another aircraft was parked adjacent to the hangar, wing Walker was so focused on the win tip he wasn’t looking at the forward nose, cabin door was left open due to excessive cabin heat?

I’d be more surprised if the wingtip has clipped, but this seems such an unusual angle I don’t think a walker is normally allocated to the front of the aircraft.



Having moved thousands of aircraft in my career, I could easily see this occurring because I have witnessed similar damages. There are many more obstacles moving an aircraft into and out of a hangar than when moving one on the the ramp. People get in a hurry due to schedule pressures and may not necessarily follow the proper procedures resulting in damage.
At my employer, we have a checklist to be completed before aircraft movement into or out of the hangar. The checklist ensures that the correct number of personnel are assigned, it names the person in charge of the movement (who is not the tug driver), it ensures that everyone has an air horn in their hand (to stop movement if needed) and that every person involved knows their area of responsibility.
In this case, it's hard for me to understand how someone failed to move the stand clear of the aircraft prior to movement as it is quite close to the tug driver's location. Human factors will do it every time!
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:31 pm

Is Qantas going to need to buy a door from one of the Singapore Airlines A380s being scrapped???? Or can the door actual be repaired???? What about the door frame?? Interesting scenario. :old:
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NWAROOSTER wrote:
Is Qantas going to need to buy a door from one of the Singapore Airlines A380s being scrapped???? Or can the door actual be repaired???? What about the door frame?? Interesting scenario. :old:

Two weeks down time suggests that either doors are very difficult to source (probably not since there are scrapped frames around and/or Airbus could probably "loan" one off the testbed / museum piece till a new one is built) or damage extends beyond the door.

EDIT: A post on another aviation forum suggests each door is made specifically for each aircraft based on a laser scan of the fuse. Maybe this is why it is taking two weeks to repair the plane.
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Revelation wrote:
NWAROOSTER wrote:
Is Qantas going to need to buy a door from one of the Singapore Airlines A380s being scrapped???? Or can the door actual be repaired???? What about the door frame?? Interesting scenario. :old:

Two weeks down time suggests that either doors are very difficult to source (probably not since there are scrapped frames around and/or Airbus could probably "loan" one off the testbed / museum piece till a new one is built) or damage extends beyond the door.

EDIT: A post on another aviation forum suggests each door is made specifically for each aircraft based on a laser scan of the fuse. Maybe this is why it is taking two weeks to repair the plane.

I find it ludicrous that the passenger doors are custom made for the A380. Doors get damaged all the time. Usually it when the boarding gate suddenly move and the door gets damaged. Airlines either have spare doors or one is robbed off an aircraft that is in check. The donor door may get returned after the damaged door is repaired. Two Singapore A380s, frames three and five, have already been scrapped or are in the process of being scrapped. Also there are two more that are now withdrawn from service. What are the airlines, if there are any, going to do if they need to replace a damaged door ten years from now if the doors are custom made for each aircraft. Scrap the aircraft or spend a million dollars for a custom made replacement which could take six months. I have seen many aircraft photos showing doors with their frames removed. Is that how a damaged door going to be repaired or replaced? I hope NOT. :old:
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:05 pm

WesternDC6B wrote:
smithbs wrote:
Let me get in front of this right now - Please! No jokes about speed tape! We all know that joke!

Enough!


What about “that will buff right out”?

/ducking


Nothing that a couple of Shamwows could clean up.

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Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:17 am

NWAROOSTER wrote:
Revelation wrote:
NWAROOSTER wrote:
Is Qantas going to need to buy a door from one of the Singapore Airlines A380s being scrapped???? Or can the door actual be repaired???? What about the door frame?? Interesting scenario. :old:

Two weeks down time suggests that either doors are very difficult to source (probably not since there are scrapped frames around and/or Airbus could probably "loan" one off the testbed / museum piece till a new one is built) or damage extends beyond the door.

EDIT: A post on another aviation forum suggests each door is made specifically for each aircraft based on a laser scan of the fuse. Maybe this is why it is taking two weeks to repair the plane.

I find it ludicrous that the passenger doors are custom made for the A380. Doors get damaged all the time. Usually it when the boarding gate suddenly move and the door gets damaged. Airlines either have spare doors or one is robbed off an aircraft that is in check. The donor door may get returned after the damaged door is repaired. Two Singapore A380s, frames three and five, have already been scrapped or are in the process of being scrapped. Also there are two more that are now withdrawn from service. What are the airlines, if there are any, going to do if they need to replace a damaged door ten years from now if the doors are custom made for each aircraft. Scrap the aircraft or spend a million dollars for a custom made replacement which could take six months. I have seen many aircraft photos showing doors with their frames removed. Is that how a damaged door going to be repaired or replaced? I hope NOT. :old:


If a replacement door is required & based on the image I’d say would be the case they can rob a door off 1 A380 currently in Heavy MX AUH.


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Re: Qantas A380 door nearly ripped off aircraft during towing mishap

Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:34 am

is the scaffolding OK?
 
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Cointrin330 wrote:
BrianWilkes wrote:
There spare 747 will cover for that loss...........


Which one? There are only 6 left and they're spoken for on other routes.


They have spare to do the Antarctica flights<- just a joke. I just off the one on 10 Nov
 
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Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:18 am

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Enough!


I thought you were gonna gonna lose it over the "hanger" thing :weeping:
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