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Jshank83
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Re: Federal report faults Southwest Airlines and FAA on safety

Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:59 am

I think there is already a thread on this. Seems like this has been gone over a bunch already.
 
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Re: Federal report faults Southwest Airlines and FAA on safety

Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:45 am

Jshank83 wrote:
I think there is already a thread on this. Seems like this has been gone over a bunch already.


Threads have been merged.
 
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Re: Federal report faults Southwest Airlines and FAA on safety

Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:06 pm

[quote="USAirKid"]An AP Story via the Seattle Times:[quote]

From the article:

"Southwest Airlines continues to fly airplanes with safety concerns while federal officials do a poor job overseeing the airline, a government watchdog said Tuesday.

The airline has flown more than 150,000 flights on 88 jets it bought on the used-plane market and which had unconfirmed maintenance histories, the Transportation Department’s inspector general said in a report. That put more than 17 million passengers at risk, according to the report."

Maybe it's time that someone confront Gary Kelly on this matter after all the buck stops at his miserable desk.
 
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Re: Southwest faced grounding of planes due to maintenance/documentation issues

Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:03 pm

NWAROOSTER wrote:
jayspilot wrote:
if I remember correctly the early UA used China Southern 319's took forever to be accepted into the United fleet because United's onboard
ing process of the jet caught this stuff and caused huge delays in acceptance.. I think the jets were in GSO for months longer then planned. I think when they agreed to the additional purchase of the used jets the two airlines agreed to get the planes up to US standards while still operating in China to allow the future acceptance to be much quicker. its pretty darn scary to think about a major repair not done right. The largest single plane crash of the domestic Japan 747 was caused by this and it didn't' crash until years later.

That domestic Japan Airlines 747 had previously had a tail strike that damaged the aft pressure bulkhead. Boeing at JAL's request performed the repair of the aft pressure bulkhead and all related damage. Boeing skipped a row of rivets in the repair and after several years the repaired bulkhead failed, the aircraft depeasurized causing the control of the rudder and elevator to be uncontrollable and crash. Boeing built the aircraft and yet Boeing did not complete the repair properly. Boeing is also an American company. :old:


They didn't skip a set of rivets. They riveted two splice plates parallel to the split instead of a single plate that was riveted on both sides.

Just a clarification. Broader point stands that they screwed it up badly.
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Re: Federal report faults Southwest Airlines and FAA on safety

Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:34 pm

KarlB737 wrote:
USAirKid wrote:
An AP Story via the Seattle Times:

From the article:

"Southwest Airlines continues to fly airplanes with safety concerns while federal officials do a poor job overseeing the airline, a government watchdog said Tuesday.

The airline has flown more than 150,000 flights on 88 jets it bought on the used-plane market and which had unconfirmed maintenance histories, the Transportation Department’s inspector general said in a report. That put more than 17 million passengers at risk, according to the report."

Maybe it's time that someone confront Gary Kelly on this matter after all the buck stops at his miserable desk.


If there are safety concerns on some Southwest aircraft, why would the FAA continue to let them fly? That would be horrible to have another MAX-like disaster on the 737s. This doesn’t make much sense.
 
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Re: Federal report faults Southwest Airlines and FAA on safety

Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:22 am

kiowa wrote:
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If there are safety concerns on some Southwest aircraft, why would the FAA continue to let them fly? That would be horrible to have another MAX-like disaster on the 737s. This doesn’t make much sense.

Yes it does, that's why the Max issue is where it is! The FAA haven't been funded to do the appropriate oversight they are supposed to with the Max and in WNs case they are in bed with them
 
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Re: Southwest faced grounding of planes due to maintenance/documentation issues

Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:04 am

The FAA has been lax on the job. Taking manufactures, vendors and airlines word for what has been done. The FAA has even removed inspectors when manufactures and/or airlines want them GONE as they are a necessary thorn in their back. Also the FAA has too few inspectors. Some manufactures and airlines want "Friendly" inspectors and the others "Gone." Every used aircraft imported into the United States needs a fresh fully documented D Check completed with qualified FAA inspectors overseeing it before it can be put into revenue use in the United States. :old:
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Re: Southwest faced grounding of planes due to maintenance/documentation issues

Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:19 am

It seems that SWA has had MX paperwork issues consistently over the last 20 years or more. What is up with that?
 
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Re: Southwest faced grounding of planes due to maintenance/documentation issues

Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:02 am

There is nothing new in the story.
And the arguments for that are
more like FUD repeating known facts with some inappropriate statistics.
I am far away to defend FAA‘s and SW‘s behavior, but this kind of political influenced statements is for sure not helpful for aviation safety.
 
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Re: Southwest faced grounding of planes due to maintenance/documentation issues

Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:11 pm

The DOT IG report really looks bad for WN and the FAA. Some of the statements in this should make eyes open to what has been taking place at WN.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/airline-news/2020/02/11/southwest-airlines-audit-blasts-safety-culture-faa-oversight/4729635002/
 
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Re: Southwest faced grounding of planes due to maintenance/documentation issues

Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:35 am

NWAROOSTER wrote:
... Every used aircraft imported into the United States needs a fresh fully documented D Check completed with qualified FAA inspectors overseeing it before it can be put into revenue use in the United States. :old:

This is an existing requirement? Or rather your opinion, how things should be?
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Re: Southwest faced grounding of planes due to maintenance/documentation issues

Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:20 pm

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielreed/2020/02/12/southwest-airlines-faa-inspectors-safety/#be4a4302f947

The SWAPA group announced yesterday that they also have concerns. The mechanics also supported this report by the DOT IG. So effectively the only people that say there isn’t a problem with Southwest safety and culture are the a.net fans.

Glad to see the FAA upping the oversight of Southwest. I think the results of this DOT IG investigation highlights why WN has not voluntarily participated in the other IOSA audits. They know there are issues and they did everything they could to keep prying eyes out of their operation.
 
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Re: Southwest faced grounding of planes due to maintenance/documentation issues

Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:23 pm

sciing wrote:
There is nothing new in the story.
And the arguments for that are
more like FUD repeating known facts with some inappropriate statistics.
I am far away to defend FAA‘s and SW‘s behavior, but this kind of political influenced statements is for sure not helpful for aviation safety.



How are the factual statements of the DOT IG not helpful? They had to document all the issues they faced in the investigation. The statements are not helpful to WN, but they are to the overall safety as they are going to force a change and consumer awareness of what is taking place at WN.
 
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Re: Southwest faced grounding of planes due to maintenance/documentation issues

Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:30 pm

mcdu wrote:
The DOT IG report really looks bad for WN and the FAA. Some of the statements in this should make eyes open to what has been taking place at WN.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/airline-news/2020/02/11/southwest-airlines-audit-blasts-safety-culture-faa-oversight/4729635002/


Is there a link to the actual report?
 
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Re: Southwest faced grounding of planes due to maintenance/documentation issues

Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:13 pm

Here is a link to the actual report:

https://www.oig.dot.gov/sites/default/f ... ovdelivery
 
kiowa
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Re: Southwest faced grounding of planes due to maintenance/documentation issues

Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:54 pm

RicFlyer wrote:
Here is a link to the actual report:

https://www.oig.dot.gov/sites/default/f ... ovdelivery


Wow! As bad as that report is for Southwest, the FAA certainly looks bad as well.

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