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Iberia re-starts Dulles

Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:50 pm

Iberia will start Dulles-Madrid up to five times weekly. From spring. Link: (Spanish only). Discuss

https://grupo.iberia.es/news/13112019/e ... washington
 
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Re: Iberia start Dulles

Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:57 pm

Covered on this same press release:

SJU will go from 3-5x/w (depending on season) to daily next S20.
LAX will see the A350.
NRT will see the A350 (guess only for the Olympics, during the S20), and will go from 4x/w to daily.

IAD seemed the first more logical route for IB in the States.

Canada remains as a likely new market for them if things go right.

South America may slow down taking into consideration the current situation of Argentina, Chile or Ecuador.
 
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Re: Iberia start Dulles

Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:11 pm

Seems like a smart add for IB. Sort of surprised they hadn't already served IAD. I'd expect this one to work out.
 
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Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:12 pm

 
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Re: Iberia start Dulles

Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:12 pm

I believe this is a re-start for IB at IAD, no?

Helps round out the OW presence a little more for DC-based flyers.
 
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Re: Iberia start Dulles

Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:12 pm

Good news for SJU, Puerto Rico. The island has not yet recovered fully from major hurricane Maria. Is Air Europa completely gone from SJU? The market cannot sustain 2 airlines on the MAD route. Wondering about UX's role when IAG takes over, would they be more suitable to Caribbean leisure markets like HAV, SDQ, SJU or even CCS? UX 788's might be the right size plane for these markets when demand is slow during some seasons.
 
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Re: Iberia start Dulles

Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:24 pm

A nice add for IB, lots of potential for growth into other North American markets too.
 
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Re: Iberia start Dulles

Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:29 pm

PRAirbus wrote:
Good news for SJU, Puerto Rico. The island has not yet recovered fully from major hurricane Maria. Is Air Europa completely gone from SJU? The market cannot sustain 2 airlines on the MAD route. Wondering about UX's role when IAG takes over, would they be more suitable to Caribbean leisure markets like HAV, SDQ, SJU or even CCS? UX 788's might be the right size plane for these markets when demand is slow during some seasons.


UX has been long gone from SJU, they basically were an unknown brand in PR and could not offer the connections ex MAD IB offers. Once IB announced the return to SJU the writing was on the wall for UX.

So happy to see SJU upped to daily depending on season. One of the easiest ways to get between PR and Europe. IB had a long history with PR (and most of the ex Spanish colonies). It was a blow when they left the island.


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Re: Iberia start Dulles

Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:29 pm

I guess this could be a perfect fit for their coming A321XLR
 
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Re: Iberia start Dulles

Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:32 pm

a350lover wrote:
Covered on this same press release:

SJU will go from 3-5x/w (depending on season) to daily next S20.
LAX will see the A350.
NRT will see the A350 (guess only for the Olympics, during the S20), and will go from 4x/w to daily.

IAD seemed the first more logical route for IB in the States.

Canada remains as a likely new market for them if things go right.

South America may slow down taking into consideration the current situation of Argentina, Chile or Ecuador.



and now Bolivia and wait Dominican Republic is next, nice to see another A350 lover
 
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Re: Iberia start Dulles

Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:46 pm

a350lover wrote:
Covered on this same press release:

SJU will go from 3-5x/w (depending on season) to daily next S20.
LAX will see the A350.
NRT will see the A350 (guess only for the Olympics, during the S20), and will go from 4x/w to daily.

IAD seemed the first more logical route for IB in the States.

Canada remains as a likely new market for them if things go right.

South America may slow down taking into consideration the current situation of Argentina, Chile or Ecuador.


There is will always be a lot of traffic between South America and Spain.
Particularly Argentina.


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Re: Iberia start Dulles

Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:46 pm

Flight times are good for connections at MAD as well.

IAD 2030 - MAD 1015 +1
MAD 1550 - IAD 1855
 
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Re: Iberia start Dulles

Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:58 pm

I'm bloody excited for their return and a new way to transit Europe using One World that does NOT involve LHR.
 
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Re: Iberia start Dulles

Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:02 pm

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graham697 wrote:
I'm bloody excited for their return and a new way to transit Europe using One World that does NOT involve LHR.


I guess how much of the IB market originates in people who simply prefer a transit anywhere except LHR. Good for IB, I guess good for IAG anyway.
 
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Re: Iberia re-starts Dulles

Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:23 pm

Good news, expansion increases the likelihood of the A340s staying in the fleet a bit longer.

Other potential IB destinations in NA???:

DFW
PHL
YYZ
GDL
 
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Re: Iberia re-starts Dulles

Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:30 pm

fightforlove wrote:
Good news, expansion increases the likelihood of the A340s staying in the fleet a bit longer.

Other potential IB destinations in NA???:

DFW
PHL
YYZ
GDL


You saw that IB went for a big U.S. origin and destination point, not an AA hub, right? AC is in the YYZ-MAD market daily (at least over a 5-day span in July) with a 330 but I wouldn't think that's prohibitive for IB.
 
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Re: Iberia re-starts Dulles

Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:51 pm

IAD and IB have really bounced back over the last 5 years!

good for both!
 
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Re: Iberia re-starts Dulles

Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:56 pm

Reading Iberia's press release I noticed that Bogota has disappeared from the list of cities to where IB's A350 fly to. I understand that Iberia had postponed the arrival of the 350 to Colombia due to some airport operational considerations and resulting performance limitations at BOG. It appears that this will go on for longer than anticipated.
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Re: Iberia re-starts Dulles

Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:07 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
fightforlove wrote:
Good news, expansion increases the likelihood of the A340s staying in the fleet a bit longer.

Other potential IB destinations in NA???:

DFW
PHL
YYZ
GDL


You saw that IB went for a big U.S. origin and destination point, not an AA hub, right? AC is in the YYZ-MAD market daily (at least over a 5-day span in July) with a 330 but I wouldn't think that's prohibitive for IB.

I know what you’re getting at, Dulles isn’t an aa hub and Iberia won’t connect passengers there, but DC is a huge AA frequent Flier area with Dca and the only way for those loyalists to fly internationally nonstop is Dulles. They aren’t connecting a hub, but Iberia appears to be considering strong AA markets.
 
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Re: Iberia re-starts Dulles

Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:38 pm

Really good news for Dulles. Between the new service that they will be receiving, and the opening of the SV Line, 2020 is going to be an exciting year.

With this announcement, I think the only two large European network carriers that don’t have a presence in IAD are Finnair and LOT.
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Re: Iberia re-starts Dulles

Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:55 pm

fightforlove wrote:
Good news, expansion increases the likelihood of the A340s staying in the fleet a bit longer.

Other potential IB destinations in NA???:

DFW
PHL
YYZ
GDL


AA does double daily already from DFW.
 
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Re: Iberia re-starts Dulles

Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:14 pm

A bit too late to resume MAD-IAD (especially with TAP flying daily via LIS to multiple cities in Spain)?
 
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Re: Iberia start Dulles

Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:36 pm

a350lover wrote:
Covered on this same press release:

SJU will go from 3-5x/w (depending on season) to daily next S20.
LAX will see the A350.
NRT will see the A350 (guess only for the Olympics, during the S20), and will go from 4x/w to daily.

IAD seemed the first more logical route for IB in the States.

Canada remains as a likely new market for them if things go right.

South America may slow down taking into consideration the current situation of Argentina, Chile or Ecuador.


They have recently increased Quito to a daily flight and they will fly 4 times a week to Guayaquil...not a slow down really.
 
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Re: Iberia re-starts Dulles

Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:50 pm

Here is the release from IAD for non-spanish speakers. Equipment will be A330.

https://www.flydulles.com/iad/iberia-ar ... hts-madrid
 
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Re: Iberia re-starts Dulles

Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:12 pm

aviationlover7 wrote:
A bit too late to resume MAD-IAD (especially with TAP flying daily via LIS to multiple cities in Spain)?


TP is targeting star (UA) pax base at IAD while IB is targeting OW (AA) pax base at DCA.

fightforlove wrote:
Good news, expansion increases the likelihood of the A340s staying in the fleet a bit longer.

Other potential IB destinations in NA???:

DFW
PHL
YYZ
GDL


MAD-DFW and MAD-PHL are flown on AA metal which given the JV it's the same as IB. IIRC MAD-DFW is going double daily next summer (although not sure if year round). Before increasing DFW or PHL I see MAD-ORD going double daily.

On the other hand IB has proven to be extremely conservative in opening non-OW stations in the US, one route that I'm convinced could have a chance is MAD-IAH, either on IB or UA, whichever gets first.
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Re: Iberia re-starts Dulles

Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:12 pm

This is great for travelers in the DC area that are looking for more options. However, IB will not have much AA feed at IAD. I know other carriers such as AF/KL don’t have much either and IAD will be more O&D, but having left a market for good reasons and then coming back again is always a crapshoot.

Also, IB needs to staff its phone lines with more English speakers and make them available during US business hours.
 
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Re: Iberia re-starts Dulles

Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:14 pm

upperdeckfan wrote:
aviationlover7 wrote:
A bit too late to resume MAD-IAD (especially with TAP flying daily via LIS to multiple cities in Spain)?


TP is targeting star (UA) pax base at IAD while IB is targeting OW (AA) pax base at DCA.

fightforlove wrote:
Good news, expansion increases the likelihood of the A340s staying in the fleet a bit longer.

Other potential IB destinations in NA???:

DFW
PHL
YYZ
GDL


MAD-DFW and MAD-PHL are flown on AA metal which given the JV it's the same as IB. IIRC MAD-DFW is going double daily next summer (although not sure if year round). Before increasing DFW or PHL I see MAD-ORD going double daily.

On the other hand IB has proven to be extremely conservative in opening non-OW stations in the US, one route that I'm convinced could have a chance is MAD-IAH, either on IB or UA, whichever gets first.


DFW-MAD started 2x daily June 2019 and retains 11x weekly in the low season.
 
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Re: Iberia re-starts Dulles

Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:16 pm

this isnt about getting feed at IAD. This is about the large, rich DC area feeding the Madrid hub. DC is the spoke that feeds the hub. The area is large enough and rich enough to do so.

usdcaguy wrote:
This is great for travelers in the DC area that are looking for more options. However, IB will not have much AA feed at IAD. I know other carriers such as AF/KL don’t have much either and IAD will be more O&D, but having left a market for good reasons and then coming back again is always a crapshoot.

Also, IB needs to staff its phone lines with more English speakers and make them available during US business hours.
 
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Re: Iberia re-starts Dulles

Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:26 pm

IB should consider adding MAD-YYZ as AC is the sole carrier on that route. There are also potential AA connections from YYZ thru US Preclearance.
 
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Re: Iberia re-starts Dulles

Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:39 pm

Thank god for an alternate to the fees of LHR.
 
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Re: Iberia re-starts Dulles

Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:43 pm

YYZORD wrote:
IB should consider adding MAD-YYZ as AC is the sole carrier on that route. There are also potential AA connections from YYZ thru US Preclearance.

Don't forget that EU nationals do need an ETA ( Electronic Visa to Canada ) even if flying in transit , which is rather inconvinient option .
 
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Re: Iberia re-starts Dulles

Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:01 am

vlad1971 wrote:
YYZORD wrote:
IB should consider adding MAD-YYZ as AC is the sole carrier on that route. There are also potential AA connections from YYZ thru US Preclearance.

Don't forget that EU nationals do need an ETA ( Electronic Visa to Canada ) even if flying in transit , which is rather inconvinient option .


If they are going onto US flights from YYZ, they don't need to enter Canada.
 
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Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:40 am

YYZORD wrote:
vlad1971 wrote:
YYZORD wrote:
IB should consider adding MAD-YYZ as AC is the sole carrier on that route. There are also potential AA connections from YYZ thru US Preclearance.

Don't forget that EU nationals do need an ETA ( Electronic Visa to Canada ) even if flying in transit , which is rather inconvinient option .


If they are going onto US flights from YYZ, they don't need to enter Canada.


Now this doesn't make sense. Iberia should fly to YYZ, so they can connect passengers to New York, Dallas, Charlotte, Chicago and Miami - where AA/IB each serve MAD non-stop from these hubs? Are you sure you thought this one through? Where's the value creation for the OneWorld JV in this scenario?

Going against a Canadian airline, in a heavy point-of-sale Canada countrypair that is Canada-Spain is not really a great strategy. The US dollar is worth a lot more than the Canadian dollar, and it's no secret why Iberia has prioritized Boston, Washington, San Francisco etc.
 
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Re: Iberia re-starts Dulles

Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:07 am

YYZORD wrote:
vlad1971 wrote:
YYZORD wrote:
IB should consider adding MAD-YYZ as AC is the sole carrier on that route. There are also potential AA connections from YYZ thru US Preclearance.

Don't forget that EU nationals do need an ETA ( Electronic Visa to Canada ) even if flying in transit , which is rather inconvinient option .


If they are going onto US flights from YYZ, they don't need to enter Canada.

But you still need an eTA:
"Travellers who need an eTA:
Visa-exempt foreign nationals need an eTA to fly to or transit through a Canadian airport. These travellers do not need an eTA when arriving by car, bus, train or boat (including a cruise ship).
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Re: Iberia re-starts Dulles

Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:01 am

upperdeckfan wrote:
aviationlover7 wrote:
A bit too late to resume MAD-IAD (especially with TAP flying daily via LIS to multiple cities in Spain)?


TP is targeting star (UA) pax base at IAD while IB is targeting OW (AA) pax base at DCA.

fightforlove wrote:
Good news, expansion increases the likelihood of the A340s staying in the fleet a bit longer.

Other potential IB destinations in NA???:

DFW
PHL
YYZ
GDL


MAD-DFW and MAD-PHL are flown on AA metal which given the JV it's the same as IB. IIRC MAD-DFW is going double daily next summer (although not sure if year round). Before increasing DFW or PHL I see MAD-ORD going double daily.

On the other hand IB has proven to be extremely conservative in opening non-OW stations in the US, one route that I'm convinced could have a chance is MAD-IAH, either on IB or UA, whichever gets first.


Many years ago, when IB want to serve IAH and CO told IB to take a hike at that time before CO merged to UA. Now IAH is open door to any new airlines who want to serve IAH and IB can come to serve here anytime. DFW is covered with AA to MAD then IAH have room to fill in and IB is OW while UA is Star Alliance. Maybe they will wait until new terminal D to replace old existing C to make more room for widebodies and IB might come to serve IAH.

One thing UA already covered from EWR and IAD to MAD and why UA wont give IAH to MAD? IAH is a good connection to many cities in Mexico and central america.
 
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Re: Iberia re-starts Dulles

Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:01 am

aircountry wrote:
upperdeckfan wrote:
aviationlover7 wrote:
A bit too late to resume MAD-IAD (especially with TAP flying daily via LIS to multiple cities in Spain)?


TP is targeting star (UA) pax base at IAD while IB is targeting OW (AA) pax base at DCA.

fightforlove wrote:
Good news, expansion increases the likelihood of the A340s staying in the fleet a bit longer.

Other potential IB destinations in NA???:

DFW
PHL
YYZ
GDL


MAD-DFW and MAD-PHL are flown on AA metal which given the JV it's the same as IB. IIRC MAD-DFW is going double daily next summer (although not sure if year round). Before increasing DFW or PHL I see MAD-ORD going double daily.

On the other hand IB has proven to be extremely conservative in opening non-OW stations in the US, one route that I'm convinced could have a chance is MAD-IAH, either on IB or UA, whichever gets first.


Many years ago, when IB want to serve IAH and CO told IB to take a hike at that time before CO merged to UA. Now IAH is open door to any new airlines who want to serve IAH and IB can come to serve here anytime. DFW is covered with AA to MAD then IAH have room to fill in and IB is OW while UA is Star Alliance. Maybe they will wait until new terminal D to replace old existing C to make more room for widebodies and IB might come to serve IAH.

One thing UA already covered from EWR and IAD to MAD and why UA wont give IAH to MAD? IAH is a good connection to many cities in Mexico and central america.


I feel the issue with Houston is that it will depend solely on traffic originating in Houston to Europe and maybe some Spanish/European expats living there.

DC might not be NYC or Miami but it is still a major tourism destination for Europeans so it can work specially with open-jaws (Eg combining it with NYC). And DC itself will have a more diversified base of Spaniards/Europeans living there (embassies, World Bank, other international institutions, etc) and naturally the local market traveling to Europe.

Iberia does not serve only AA hubs but they serve cities that have some interest for their Spanish/Euro customer base which is not the case of Houston.
 
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Re: Iberia re-starts Dulles

Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:34 am

SCQ83 wrote:
aircountry wrote:
upperdeckfan wrote:

TP is targeting star (UA) pax base at IAD while IB is targeting OW (AA) pax base at DCA.



MAD-DFW and MAD-PHL are flown on AA metal which given the JV it's the same as IB. IIRC MAD-DFW is going double daily next summer (although not sure if year round). Before increasing DFW or PHL I see MAD-ORD going double daily.

On the other hand IB has proven to be extremely conservative in opening non-OW stations in the US, one route that I'm convinced could have a chance is MAD-IAH, either on IB or UA, whichever gets first.


Many years ago, when IB want to serve IAH and CO told IB to take a hike at that time before CO merged to UA. Now IAH is open door to any new airlines who want to serve IAH and IB can come to serve here anytime. DFW is covered with AA to MAD then IAH have room to fill in and IB is OW while UA is Star Alliance. Maybe they will wait until new terminal D to replace old existing C to make more room for widebodies and IB might come to serve IAH.

One thing UA already covered from EWR and IAD to MAD and why UA wont give IAH to MAD? IAH is a good connection to many cities in Mexico and central america.


I feel the issue with Houston is that it will depend solely on traffic originating in Houston to Europe and maybe some Spanish/European expats living there.

DC might not be NYC or Miami but it is still a major tourism destination for Europeans so it can work specially with open-jaws (Eg combining it with NYC). And DC itself will have a more diversified base of Spaniards/Europeans living there (embassies, World Bank, other international institutions, etc) and naturally the local market traveling to Europe.

Iberia does not serve only AA hubs but they serve cities that have some interest for their Spanish/Euro customer base which is not the case of Houston.


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Re: Iberia re-starts Dulles

Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:30 pm

Would this announcement push UA to make IAD-MAD year round?


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Re: Iberia re-starts Dulles

Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:44 pm

STT757 wrote:
Would this announcement push UA to make IAD-MAD year round?

Yes Probably you are right or even open Houston-Madrid route as United may want to compete with AA's 2 daily Dallas to Madrid flights.
who knows but United may do something . I hope they open Houston to Madrid service...
I think the Madrid-USA market still have room to grow..both O/D and transit..Iberia's domestic network is quite well served and the European network may not be as massive as BA,LH or AF but it is still quite extensive, so the Madrid hub still offers quite good connections Madrid and beyond.


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Iberia re-starts Dulles

Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:21 pm

airlinermiami wrote:
STT757 wrote:
Would this announcement push UA to make IAD-MAD year round?

Yes Probably you are right or even open Houston-Madrid route as United may want to compete with AA's 2 daily Dallas to Madrid flights.
who knows but United may do something . I hope they open Houston to Madrid service...
I think the Madrid-USA market still have room to grow..both O/D and transit..Iberia's domestic network is quite well served and the European network may not be as massive as BA,LH or AF but it is still quite extensive, so the Madrid hub still offers quite good connections Madrid and beyond.


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I like the idea of UA launching IAH-MAD, but I think I would rather see them bring back IAH-CDG first. That has to be a larger market.


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Re: Iberia re-starts Dulles

Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:57 pm

upperdeckfan wrote:
SCQ83 wrote:
aircountry wrote:

Many years ago, when IB want to serve IAH and CO told IB to take a hike at that time before CO merged to UA. Now IAH is open door to any new airlines who want to serve IAH and IB can come to serve here anytime. DFW is covered with AA to MAD then IAH have room to fill in and IB is OW while UA is Star Alliance. Maybe they will wait until new terminal D to replace old existing C to make more room for widebodies and IB might come to serve IAH.

One thing UA already covered from EWR and IAD to MAD and why UA wont give IAH to MAD? IAH is a good connection to many cities in Mexico and central america.


I feel the issue with Houston is that it will depend solely on traffic originating in Houston to Europe and maybe some Spanish/European expats living there.

DC might not be NYC or Miami but it is still a major tourism destination for Europeans so it can work specially with open-jaws (Eg combining it with NYC). And DC itself will have a more diversified base of Spaniards/Europeans living there (embassies, World Bank, other international institutions, etc) and naturally the local market traveling to Europe.

Iberia does not serve only AA hubs but they serve cities that have some interest for their Spanish/Euro customer base which is not the case of Houston.


Mayor Oil & Gas EPC contractors are based or have offices in Madrid and Houston is the 4th largest US metro area.


Which proves well my point; a very niche market.
 
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Re: Iberia re-starts Dulles

Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:13 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
aircountry wrote:
upperdeckfan wrote:

TP is targeting star (UA) pax base at IAD while IB is targeting OW (AA) pax base at DCA.



MAD-DFW and MAD-PHL are flown on AA metal which given the JV it's the same as IB. IIRC MAD-DFW is going double daily next summer (although not sure if year round). Before increasing DFW or PHL I see MAD-ORD going double daily.

On the other hand IB has proven to be extremely conservative in opening non-OW stations in the US, one route that I'm convinced could have a chance is MAD-IAH, either on IB or UA, whichever gets first.


Many years ago, when IB want to serve IAH and CO told IB to take a hike at that time before CO merged to UA. Now IAH is open door to any new airlines who want to serve IAH and IB can come to serve here anytime. DFW is covered with AA to MAD then IAH have room to fill in and IB is OW while UA is Star Alliance. Maybe they will wait until new terminal D to replace old existing C to make more room for widebodies and IB might come to serve IAH.

One thing UA already covered from EWR and IAD to MAD and why UA wont give IAH to MAD? IAH is a good connection to many cities in Mexico and central america.


I feel the issue with Houston is that it will depend solely on traffic originating in Houston to Europe and maybe some Spanish/European expats living there.

DC might not be NYC or Miami but it is still a major tourism destination for Europeans so it can work specially with open-jaws (Eg combining it with NYC). And DC itself will have a more diversified base of Spaniards/Europeans living there (embassies, World Bank, other international institutions, etc) and naturally the local market traveling to Europe.

Iberia does not serve only AA hubs but they serve cities that have some interest for their Spanish/Euro customer base which is not the case of Houston.


DC is also better geographically positioned for United to serve European destinations from US connections. IAH is too far west and south; a huge portion of the country would have to backtrack for those connections.

From IAH, United serves these European destinations: AMS, FRA, MUC, and LHR. Lufthansa adds JV partner service to FRA as well.

From IAD, United serves all of those, plus: CDG, BRU, GVA, ZRH year round, plus BCN, MAD, DUB, EDI, LIS, and FCO seasonally - while JV partners add extra service to FRA, MUC, BRU, and soon to include ZRH, as well as VIE.

Some of this is the different demand from the markets, but a lot of it is better location - IAD is better positioned to connect people to Europe.
 
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Re: Iberia re-starts Dulles

Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:02 pm

flyyul wrote:
YYZORD wrote:
vlad1971 wrote:
Don't forget that EU nationals do need an ETA ( Electronic Visa to Canada ) even if flying in transit , which is rather inconvinient option .


If they are going onto US flights from YYZ, they don't need to enter Canada.


Now this doesn't make sense. Iberia should fly to YYZ, so they can connect passengers to New York, Dallas, Charlotte, Chicago and Miami - where AA/IB each serve MAD non-stop from these hubs? Are you sure you thought this one through? Where's the value creation for the OneWorld JV in this scenario?

Going against a Canadian airline, in a heavy point-of-sale Canada countrypair that is Canada-Spain is not really a great strategy. The US dollar is worth a lot more than the Canadian dollar, and it's no secret why Iberia has prioritized Boston, Washington, San Francisco etc.


International transit traffic has been a corner stone of Air Canada's strategy. Specially traffic from the US (Point of SALE US) connecting in YYZ and YUL to Europe, Asia and Deep South America. I've been on multiple times on AC YYZ-MAD and about 40% if not more of the passengers are from the US connecting from gateways with direct or non stop service to MAD as far as SFO and LAX not to mention smaller cities in the east coast and the midwest operated either by AC or UA. I've chit chatted with some of these passengers and they said they love connecting in YYZ as it is a more efficient less crowded airport than ATL, JFK or MIA. Tarmac delays are almost non existent, US Immigration on the inbound is fast (YYZ has improved facilities for US transiting passengers), and they also benefit from lower fares due to the US dollar being stronger than CAD.

AC international traffic has grown 147% in the last 5 years and 15% YoY in 2018. (2018 figures)

If this works for AC I don't see why I wouldn't work for IB and AA.
 
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Re: Iberia re-starts Dulles

Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:05 pm

blockski wrote:
SCQ83 wrote:
aircountry wrote:

Many years ago, when IB want to serve IAH and CO told IB to take a hike at that time before CO merged to UA. Now IAH is open door to any new airlines who want to serve IAH and IB can come to serve here anytime. DFW is covered with AA to MAD then IAH have room to fill in and IB is OW while UA is Star Alliance. Maybe they will wait until new terminal D to replace old existing C to make more room for widebodies and IB might come to serve IAH.

One thing UA already covered from EWR and IAD to MAD and why UA wont give IAH to MAD? IAH is a good connection to many cities in Mexico and central america.


I feel the issue with Houston is that it will depend solely on traffic originating in Houston to Europe and maybe some Spanish/European expats living there.

DC might not be NYC or Miami but it is still a major tourism destination for Europeans so it can work specially with open-jaws (Eg combining it with NYC). And DC itself will have a more diversified base of Spaniards/Europeans living there (embassies, World Bank, other international institutions, etc) and naturally the local market traveling to Europe.

Iberia does not serve only AA hubs but they serve cities that have some interest for their Spanish/Euro customer base which is not the case of Houston.


DC is also better geographically positioned for United to serve European destinations from US connections. IAH is too far west and south; a huge portion of the country would have to backtrack for those connections.

From IAH, United serves these European destinations: AMS, FRA, MUC, and LHR. Lufthansa adds JV partner service to FRA as well.

From IAD, United serves all of those, plus: CDG, BRU, GVA, ZRH year round, plus BCN, MAD, DUB, EDI, LIS, and FCO seasonally - while JV partners add extra service to FRA, MUC, BRU, and soon to include ZRH, as well as VIE.

Some of this is the different demand from the markets, but a lot of it is better location - IAD is better positioned to connect people to Europe.


I was talking about the logic of IAD VS IAH for Iberia.

IAD has a much more diversified customer base for a company like IB. So it makes more sense for them.

As for MAD-IAH, it is not like there are not multiple daily one-stop solely on IAG/TATL JV. MAD-DFW-IAH, MAD-LHR-IAH or via PHL.

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