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Re: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread

Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:42 am

PHLspecial wrote:
Just question then is EK dropping the 778 to swap with the 787? Since the A350 are coming and the 778 is delayed


Seems to be that ek might reduce their 77x order in favor of 787s. The exact numbers are still unknown
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread

Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:00 am

I wouldn't be surprised if B777-8 may be dropped for B787s
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread

Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:26 am

xwb777 wrote:
Tim Clark says the size of the B777X order depends on the delivery schedule.

Source: https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/ ... ssion=true


It depends much on Emirates' need
It is possible he already foresee a decline in term of Emirates traffic volume.

But it depends also on Tim's replacement.

His prolific statements during this show is the sign of the end of Tim's reign.
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread

Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:37 am

sibibom wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if B777-8 may be dropped for B787s

I would think it would be reduction in total number rather than alright total cancellation. It would be devastating for B777X program if EK cancel all. Boeing needs EK and current buyers to sustain future production.
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread

Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:25 am

juliuswong wrote:
sibibom wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if B777-8 may be dropped for B787s

I would think it would be reduction in total number rather than alright total cancellation. It would be devastating for B777X program if EK cancel all. Boeing needs EK and current buyers to sustain future production.


The 777-8 has hardly the numbers, as it is, to be viable. The 777-8 has all the changes the 777-9 has and comes with a new length in the 777 lineup. Shrink of the 777-9 I would say. Better to skip the 777-8 and concentrate on the 777-9 to keep cost reasonable and the project viable.
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread

Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:36 am

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The first press conferences for Wednesday are timed.

Emirates will announce (most likely) an order at 11:00 am local time and I state this here in the Boeing thread (Airbus has a PC at the same time, so it is not an Airbus order).
https://www.dubaiairshow.aero/press-conference-schedule


Now it starts to get interesting; Emirates has now booked the Press room 3 2x for today. at 11 and 1 pm. Few minutes ago, Airbus has had booked a press room 2x, (11 and 2 pm) now only one is left at 11 am.
https://www.dubaiairshow.aero/press-conference-schedule
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread

Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:44 am

Prudent order from EK. The 789s will help them open/keep long and thin routes along with rotating in the tier 2 cities in south Asia for better yield compared to 77W.
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread

Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:44 am

Apparently with the 30 ordered Dreamliners, the 777X order has been reduced to 126 aircraft (not sure how accurate this is).

Source: https://twitter.com/trade_the_news/stat ... 37920?s=21
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:46 am

Special wrote:
Apparently with the 30 ordered Dreamliners, the 777X order has been reduced to 126 aircraft (not sure how accurate this is).

Source: https://twitter.com/trade_the_news/stat ... 37920?s=21


It sounds as if 126 total. From the PR linked above: “This takes Emirates’ total order with Boeing to 126 aircraft.”

That would be from 150 777X to 30 789s and 96 777X, that would be a big cut.
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread

Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:50 am

Just read the PR link. If worded correctly, I find it hard to believe Boeing would lose 54 777X orders just for 30 787-9 Dreamliners. Hopefully more information comes out soon regarding the orders
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:53 am

Special wrote:
Just read the PR link. If worded correctly, I find it hard to believe Boeing would lose 54 777X orders just for 30 787-9 Dreamliners. Hopefully more information comes out soon regarding the orders


Boeing’s is more specific: “As part of the agreement, Emirates will update a portion of its large order book by exercising substitution rights and converting 30 777 airplanes into 30 787-9s. With this conversion, Emirates remains the world's biggest 777X customer with 126 airplanes on order and the largest 777 operator with 155 airplanes today.” https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2019-11-20 ... 77X-family

Your initial read was correct, 126 777X. Plus 30 789s.
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:56 am

Special wrote:
Just read the PR link. If worded correctly, I find it hard to believe Boeing would lose 54 777X orders just for 30 787-9 Dreamliners. Hopefully more information comes out soon regarding the orders


Just like Airbus when they lost 42 x A350 order from EY!

I wonder what they will announce in their 2nd PC.
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread

Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:00 am

[/quote] Boeing’s is more specific: “As part of the agreement, Emirates will update a portion of its large order book by exercising substitution rights and converting 30 777 airplanes into 30 787-9s. With this conversion, Emirates remains the world's biggest 777X customer with 126 airplanes on order and the largest 777 operator with 155 airplanes today.” https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2019-11-20 ... 77X-family

Your initial read was correct, 126 777X. Plus 30 789s.[/quote]

A reduction of 24 777X is quite reasonable. I wonder what the split will be between the 778 & 779
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread

Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:03 am

jbs2886 wrote:
Emirates will update a portion of its large order book by exercising substitution rights and converting 30 777 airplanes into 30 787-9s.

Your initial read was correct, 126 777X. Plus 30 789s.


So a net order for 6 widebody aircraft? (150 - 30 = 120, not 126) Or are those 6 aircraft remaining 77W aircraft yet to be delivered?
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread

Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:03 am

Although sad to see 777x sales cut, still a great sale for Boeing. More than enough replaces the Aeroflot order loss at probably much higher prices than that 2007 order

Still plenty of future business from Emirates in the air for future replacement of their almost 300 strong fleet of 777/A380

Still assuming they have 50 options for 777x (and maybe now substitution options to 787 on those).
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:07 am

I guessed right with 787-9. So The A330-900 was pitted against the 787-9 and lost. In regards to the 126 777X left, my bet is all 777-9. For long distance work there will be A30-900 and 787-9 in the fleet.

I would look at this being neither a sole nor cancellation, but a conversion.
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread

Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:07 am

Should Boeing drop the 777X knowing that all orders are shrinked? Will Boeing make some profit with less and less orders?
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:11 am

reidar76 wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
Emirates will update a portion of its large order book by exercising substitution rights and converting 30 777 airplanes into 30 787-9s.

Your initial read was correct, 126 777X. Plus 30 789s.


So a net order for 6 widebody aircraft? (150 - 30 = 120, not 126) Or are those 6 aircraft remaining 77W aircraft yet to be delivered?


IIRC there were a few remaining 777Ws on order that people speculated would not be delivered.
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread

Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:12 am

MrBren wrote:
Should Boeing drop the 777X knowing that all orders are shrinked? Will Boeing make some profit with less and less orders?


I hardly believe that Boeing will drop the 777-9. In the last years we got used to huge numbers in wide body orders. Have to tune that down to normal again.
The 777-9 has not had it's EIS. There will be more orders, just not the deluge some posters believe.
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread

Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:13 am

MrBren wrote:
Should Boeing drop the 777X knowing that all orders are shrinked? Will Boeing make some profit with less and less orders?


There’s no need to. The aircraft has 300+ orders which may not be as high as Boeing wants, but is good enough till the aircraft enters service. I personally expect the 777X to rack up orders in the mid 2020s when current 777-300er or other large aircraft become older
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:14 am

reidar76 wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
Emirates will update a portion of its large order book by exercising substitution rights and converting 30 777 airplanes into 30 787-9s.

Your initial read was correct, 126 777X. Plus 30 789s.


So a net order for 6 widebody aircraft? (150 - 30 = 120, not 126) Or are those 6 aircraft remaining 77W aircraft yet to be delivered?


Think it is net zero as they are also clearing the last 6 777-300ERs from Boeing’s unfilled order book.

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Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:15 am

Any mention of engine selection yet?
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:17 am

The 787-9 order takes it passed the 777-300ER as the best selling wide body passenger model ( series ).

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Re: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread

Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:19 am

Geoff1947 wrote:
reidar76 wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
Emirates will update a portion of its large order book by exercising substitution rights and converting 30 777 airplanes into 30 787-9s.

Your initial read was correct, 126 777X. Plus 30 789s.


So a net order for 6 widebody aircraft? (150 - 30 = 120, not 126) Or are those 6 aircraft remaining 77W aircraft yet to be delivered?


Think it is net zero as they are also clearing the last 6 777-300ERs from Boeing’s unfilled order book.

Geoff


Yes it seems EK is cancelling 6 77W, cancelling 24 77X and ordering 30 787-9. Net orders is zero.
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:21 am

reidar76 wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
Emirates will update a portion of its large order book by exercising substitution rights and converting 30 777 airplanes into 30 787-9s.

Your initial read was correct, 126 777X. Plus 30 789s.


So a net order for 6 widebody aircraft? (150 - 30 = 120, not 126) Or are those 6 aircraft remaining 77W aircraft yet to be delivered?


I think the value of 24 777X equals the value of 30 789's.

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This is good for Boeing, it fills in holes in the delivery schedules for the 787 as well as move forward a good bit of revenue. EK can always order more in the future
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread

Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:31 am

I must say that given the circumstance Boeing is in, I will take this show as a success for them. They got some max confidence and a decent wide body order book from the show
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread

Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:35 am

EK now have long range 789s and 359s coming, no "regional" 7810s or 339s. Have they given up on the notion of a regional sub fleet, preferring the flexibility of everything capable of flying (almost) everywhere?
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:39 am

JerseyFlyer wrote:
EK now have long range 789s and 359s coming, no "regional" 7810s or 339s. Have they given up on the notion of a regional sub fleet, preferring the flexibility of everything capable of flying (almost) everywhere?


There is another Emirates press conference at 1 pm local time.
https://www.dubaiairshow.aero/press-conference-schedule
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread

Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:46 am

This is obviously way better than simply losing 30 777s from the backlog, so congrats to Emirates and Boeing. Emirates future fleet will give them much greater flexibility to meet the challenges ahead.

JayinKitsap wrote:
I think the value of 24 777X equals the value of 30 789's.

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This is good for Boeing, it fills in holes in the delivery schedules for the 787 as well as move forward a good bit of revenue. EK can always order more in the future


The value of 30 x 789 at average list price is just over $8.75billion. The value of 6 x 77W and 24 x 77X at average list prices would be between $11.8billion and $12.6billion (depending which models of 77X were cancelled). So even allowing for normal discounts, that's still a chunk of revenue to lose.

As for filling holes in Boeing's delivery schedules, the recently announced decision to reduce the production rate was presumably taken knowing this order was coming.
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread

Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:05 am

Emirates says that the 787s will be delivered between 2023 and 2028.

So these planes will be delivered after the as Boeing said temporary rate reduction.
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:20 am

Is there any clue who ordered the 10 unidentified 779X?
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:27 am

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Is there any clue who ordered the 10 unidentified 779X?

TK?

Link?
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:28 am

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Is there any clue who ordered the 10 unidentified 779X?



I have been asking the same question for months with no straight answer.

My guesses are AF/KL group
Saudi
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China southern
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:30 am

ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
P1aneMad wrote:
Is there any clue who ordered the 10 unidentified 779X?

?

Link?

Wiki lists them as an order made in 2015.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_777X#Orders
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread

Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:37 am

scbriml wrote:
This is obviously way better than simply losing 30 777s from the backlog, so congrats to Emirates and Boeing. Emirates future fleet will give them much greater flexibility to meet the challenges ahead.

JayinKitsap wrote:
I think the value of 24 777X equals the value of 30 789's.

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This is good for Boeing, it fills in holes in the delivery schedules for the 787 as well as move forward a good bit of revenue. EK can always order more in the future


The value of 30 x 789 at average list price is just over $8.75billion. The value of 6 x 77W and 24 x 77X at average list prices would be between $11.8billion and $12.6billion (depending which models of 77X were cancelled). So even allowing for normal discounts, that's still a chunk of revenue to lose.

As for filling holes in Boeing's delivery schedules, the recently announced decision to reduce the production rate was presumably taken knowing this order was coming.


At the end of the day revenues gained or lost will be dependent upon when actual aircraft are delivered.

I suspect the one year delay to the 777X program may result in penalty payments. If a net reduction of 26 aircraft helps Boeing alleviate compensation payments to other airlines, this may actually be a net earner for Boeing.

For me, Emirates deciding to order the A350 is the worry for Boeing. They will have a strong competitor in both the 787 and 777 market space.
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:40 am

P1aneMad wrote:
Is there any clue who ordered the 10 unidentified 779X?


Those 10 have been unidentified since June 2015.
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:43 am

P1aneMad wrote:
ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
P1aneMad wrote:
Is there any clue who ordered the 10 unidentified 779X?

?

Link?

Wiki lists them as an order made in 2015.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_777X#Orders


huh, never noticed before! to be still unidentified at this stage, if still an order on the books, i would assume Chinese?
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:55 am

mjoelnir wrote:
P1aneMad wrote:
Is there any clue who ordered the 10 unidentified 779X?


Those 10 have been unidentified since June 2015.


Unidentified/undisclosed are often orders by "Chinese Government" for their half owned airlines. These will be first disclosed, when the jets will be delivered. So regular, the Chinese airline will be first identified, when the tail has been painted.
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:56 am

Since the 787 deal seems to be associated to a reduction of 777 -9/-8 orders the I am obliged tu deduce the engines for the 787-9 order are GEnx-1B.
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread

Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:05 am

T4thH wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:
P1aneMad wrote:
Is there any clue who ordered the 10 unidentified 779X?


Those 10 have been unidentified since June 2015.


Unidentified/undisclosed are often orders by "Chinese Government" for their half owned airlines. These will be first disclosed, when the jets will be delivered. So regular, the Chinese airline will be first identified, when the tail has been painted.


Usually those orders are listed under ordered by CAAC from the beginning.
And then are allocated to individual airlines.
 
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travelhound wrote:
scbriml wrote:
This is obviously way better than simply losing 30 777s from the backlog, so congrats to Emirates and Boeing. Emirates future fleet will give them much greater flexibility to meet the challenges ahead.

JayinKitsap wrote:
I think the value of 24 777X equals the value of 30 789's.

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This is good for Boeing, it fills in holes in the delivery schedules for the 787 as well as move forward a good bit of revenue. EK can always order more in the future


The value of 30 x 789 at average list price is just over $8.75billion. The value of 6 x 77W and 24 x 77X at average list prices would be between $11.8billion and $12.6billion (depending which models of 77X were cancelled). So even allowing for normal discounts, that's still a chunk of revenue to lose.

As for filling holes in Boeing's delivery schedules, the recently announced decision to reduce the production rate was presumably taken knowing this order was coming.



I think the A350 order was also a deposit transfer from the A380 program.
At the end of the day revenues gained or lost will be dependent upon when actual aircraft are delivered.

I suspect the one year delay to the 777X program may result in penalty payments. If a net reduction of 26 aircraft helps Boeing alleviate compensation payments to other airlines, this may actually be a net earner for Boeing.

For me, Emirates deciding to order the A350 is the worry for Boeing. They will have a strong competitor in both the 787 and 777 market space.
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:12 am

P1aneMad wrote:
T4thH wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:

Those 10 have been unidentified since June 2015.


Unidentified/undisclosed are often orders by "Chinese Government" for their half owned airlines. These will be first disclosed, when the jets will be delivered. So regular, the Chinese airline will be first identified, when the tail has been painted.


Usually those orders are listed under ordered by CAAC from the beginning.
And then are allocated to individual airlines.


Boeing or Airbus? I am not aware regarding Boeing; for Airbus I have regular seen that the last A320 family ceo's, stated as undisclosed, were just these jets ordered by Chines government and than were identified, when painted.
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:27 am

T4thH wrote:
P1aneMad wrote:
T4thH wrote:

Unidentified/undisclosed are often orders by "Chinese Government" for their half owned airlines. These will be first disclosed, when the jets will be delivered. So regular, the Chinese airline will be first identified, when the tail has been painted.


Usually those orders are listed under ordered by CAAC from the beginning.
And then are allocated to individual airlines.


Boeing or Airbus? I am not aware regarding Boeing; for Airbus I have regular seen that the last A320 family ceo's, stated as undisclosed, were just these jets ordered by Chines government and than were identified, when painted.

I believe it is an extremely rare occurrence when an airline announces an aircraft order and a widebody at that when the aircraft is in the paint shop.
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:10 am

scbriml wrote:
This is obviously way better than simply losing 30 777s from the backlog, so congrats to Emirates and Boeing. Emirates future fleet will give them much greater flexibility to meet the challenges ahead.

JayinKitsap wrote:
I think the value of 24 777X equals the value of 30 789's.

---
This is good for Boeing, it fills in holes in the delivery schedules for the 787 as well as move forward a good bit of revenue. EK can always order more in the future


The value of 30 x 789 at average list price is just over $8.75billion. The value of 6 x 77W and 24 x 77X at average list prices would be between $11.8billion and $12.6billion (depending which models of 77X were cancelled). So even allowing for normal discounts, that's still a chunk of revenue to lose.

As for filling holes in Boeing's delivery schedules, the recently announced decision to reduce the production rate was presumably taken knowing this order was coming.


So basically this is a firm order for:
30 B787-9

and cancellation of:
24 B777X (firm order)
6 B777W (firm order)
40 B787-10 (tentative deal)

?!?
:worried:
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:24 am

Do you think the new CEO of Boeing Commercial (Stan Deal) has an effect on Boeing picking up more orders? e.g. better negotiator etc?
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:42 am

P1aneMad wrote:
ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
P1aneMad wrote:
Is there any clue who ordered the 10 unidentified 779X?

?

Link?

Wiki lists them as an order made in 2015.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_777X#Orders


Boeing lists them as orders.
 
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread

Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:47 am

P1aneMad wrote:
T4thH wrote:
P1aneMad wrote:

Usually those orders are listed under ordered by CAAC from the beginning.
And then are allocated to individual airlines.


Boeing or Airbus? I am not aware regarding Boeing; for Airbus I have regular seen that the last A320 family ceo's, stated as undisclosed, were just these jets ordered by Chines government and than were identified, when painted.

I believe it is an extremely rare occurrence when an airline announces an aircraft order and a widebody at that when the aircraft is in the paint shop.

Boeing has delivered “undisclosed” planes before (Saudia 787s most recently iirc). We all know who the end user is for, but for whatever reason the customer is never disclosed in the order book.

chiad wrote:
scbriml wrote:
This is obviously way better than simply losing 30 777s from the backlog, so congrats to Emirates and Boeing. Emirates future fleet will give them much greater flexibility to meet the challenges ahead.

JayinKitsap wrote:
I think the value of 24 777X equals the value of 30 789's.

---
This is good for Boeing, it fills in holes in the delivery schedules for the 787 as well as move forward a good bit of revenue. EK can always order more in the future


The value of 30 x 789 at average list price is just over $8.75billion. The value of 6 x 77W and 24 x 77X at average list prices would be between $11.8billion and $12.6billion (depending which models of 77X were cancelled). So even allowing for normal discounts, that's still a chunk of revenue to lose.

As for filling holes in Boeing's delivery schedules, the recently announced decision to reduce the production rate was presumably taken knowing this order was coming.


So basically this is a firm order for:
30 B787-9

and cancellation of:
24 B777X (firm order)
6 B777W (firm order)
40 B787-10 (tentative deal)

?!?
:worried:

Yes, although the 787-10 MOU has been expired since at least the beginning of the year.
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread

Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:47 am

mjoelnir wrote:
P1aneMad wrote:
ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
?

Link?

Wiki lists them as an order made in 2015.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_777X#Orders


Boeing lists them as orders.

Doesn't matter what Boeing says, Wikipedia is the divine source. :D
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread

Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:58 am

reidar76 wrote:
Geoff1947 wrote:
reidar76 wrote:

So a net order for 6 widebody aircraft? (150 - 30 = 120, not 126) Or are those 6 aircraft remaining 77W aircraft yet to be delivered?


Think it is net zero as they are also clearing the last 6 777-300ERs from Boeing’s unfilled order book.

Geoff


Yes it seems EK is cancelling 6 77W, cancelling 24 77X and ordering 30 787-9. Net orders is zero.


What are these 6 77Ws about? Thought they had taken the delivery of the last 77W a year or so ago. They even issued a press release to this effect:

Emirates takes delivery of its last Boeing 777-300ER aircraft

Emirates celebrated an important fleet milestone with the delivery of the final Boeing 777-300ER aircraft on its order books. A6-EQP is the 190th Boeing 777 aircraft to be delivered to Emirates, the world’s largest operator of Boeing 777 aircraft and also the only airline in the world to have operated all the six variants of the Boeing 777 family.

https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/e ... -aircraft/
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Re: Dubai Air Show 2019: Boeing Orders, announcements and discussion thread

Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:01 pm

Spiderguy252 wrote:
reidar76 wrote:
Geoff1947 wrote:

Think it is net zero as they are also clearing the last 6 777-300ERs from Boeing’s unfilled order book.

Geoff


Yes it seems EK is cancelling 6 77W, cancelling 24 77X and ordering 30 787-9. Net orders is zero.


What are these 6 77Ws about? Thought they had taken the delivery of the last 77W a year or so ago. They even issued a press release to this effect:

Emirates takes delivery of its last Boeing 777-300ER aircraft

Emirates celebrated an important fleet milestone with the delivery of the final Boeing 777-300ER aircraft on its order books. A6-EQP is the 190th Boeing 777 aircraft to be delivered to Emirates, the world’s largest operator of Boeing 777 aircraft and also the only airline in the world to have operated all the six variants of the Boeing 777 family.

https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/e ... -aircraft/

They did, but EK still has 6 77Ws on the orderbook. EK had already made the decision at the time that they were not going to take them.

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