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Re: OAG Changes 11/17/2019:4O Adds CUN-MIA,LAX-MTY;AA Cuts JFK Again;DL Exits PAP;UA Exits ELM, LAX-PSC

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:59 pm
by ericm2031
FilAmAirlines wrote:
enilria wrote:
UA FNT-ORD APR 3>1.0[4]

I feel conflicted about this. As an MBS person, FNT downgauges, reductions and eliminations are great news.
I am skeptical about this reduction by UA. I looked on UA's website, and the April 2020 flights still show 3-4 flights a day. I worry the FNT-ORD reduction is an error; even for that month. It's wishful thinking that will lead to UA leaving FNT.


Then it is a filing error. Looks like a couple of the flights are being switched to ExpressJet E75s, which commonly show up as reductions of the 1st week of the change and then correct themselves later on.

Re: OAG Changes 11/17/2019:4O Adds CUN-MIA,LAX-MTY;AA Cuts JFK Again;DL Exits PAP;UA Exits ELM, LAX-PSC

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:08 pm
by RJNUT
FilAmAirlines wrote:
enilria wrote:
UA FNT-ORD APR 3>1.0[4]

I feel conflicted about this. As an MBS person, FNT downgauges, reductions and eliminations are great news.
I am skeptical about this reduction by UA. I looked on UA's website, and the April 2020 flights still show 3-4 flights a day. I worry the FNT-ORD reduction is an error; even for that month. It's wishful thinking that will lead to UA leaving FNT.

Good natured rivalries seem fun but are you actually rooting for a neighboring city to lose air service, particularly in an area of Michigan that struggles for whatever service they can get ?

Re: OAG Changes 11/17/2019:4O Adds CUN-MIA,LAX-MTY;AA Cuts JFK Again;DL Exits PAP;UA Exits ELM, LAX-PSC

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:11 pm
by WA707atMSP
atrude777 wrote:
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FlyingElvii wrote:
Cape Air going to BNA raises an eyebrow. Tapping into future opportunity? OWB would be far better served with a trip to ord, but that is a long haul in a 310.


Ya, not sure why BNA in the sen of Cape Air's Operation. BNA on it's own is a FANTASTIC connecting station, with a huge growth both city and international wise. It is an odd choice as an EAS city for Cape Air's Operation....more to reply down below...Per Cape Air, it wouldn't be served on the 310 but the new Tecnam Planes.

adam47150 wrote:
Cape committed to BNA in their latest EAS bid, I believe that the other two bidders also included service to additional cities, but it appears that the airport decided to continue to dance with the one that brought them.

BNA appears to also be a new outstation for 9K. The website only shows service to OWB and MWA.


BNA is a new station for Cape Air, and an odd choice, but other users in the STL Thread also echoed that it was to remain competitive. As you mentioned most other EAS Carriers were offering two cities or a network of service to Chicago which the majority wanted. Cape Air to remain competitive I am guessing had to offer BNA to the EAS cities that were not within flying reach to Chicago.

I'll be interested to see how OWB/MWA-BNA pay off!

I still can't book this yet on the Cape Air Website!

Alex


The EAS program was nearly destroyed by the unreliability and incompetence of SeaPort and Great Lakes. Hopefully, now that more reliable airlines like Cape Air, Air Choice One, and Boutique Air are adding routes, passengers going to/from smaller towns will fly more often, and air service to these communities will continue to grow.

Re: OAG Changes 11/17/2019:4O Adds CUN-MIA,LAX-MTY;AA Cuts JFK Again;DL Exits PAP;UA Exits ELM, LAX-PSC

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:14 pm
by jetmatt777
RJNUT wrote:
FilAmAirlines wrote:
enilria wrote:
UA FNT-ORD APR 3>1.0[4]

I feel conflicted about this. As an MBS person, FNT downgauges, reductions and eliminations are great news.
I am skeptical about this reduction by UA. I looked on UA's website, and the April 2020 flights still show 3-4 flights a day. I worry the FNT-ORD reduction is an error; even for that month. It's wishful thinking that will lead to UA leaving FNT.

Good natured rivalries seem fun but are you actually rooting for a neighboring city to lose air service, particularly in an area of Michigan that struggles for whatever service they can get ?


Agree. That's disturbing that people take it to such degrees.

Re: OAG Changes 11/17/2019:4O Adds CUN-MIA,LAX-MTY;AA Cuts JFK Again;DL Exits PAP;UA Exits ELM, LAX-PSC

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:17 pm
by tphuang
UpNAWAy wrote:
tphuang wrote:
UpNAWAy wrote:



They just started making money for the first time in a generation in NYC so why leave now?


They did not just start making money for the first time in a generation. Whether or not JFK as a whole was losing money before these cuts is debatable. They claimed that they are making money in JFK international for the firm time in a long time. That's because they've cut numerous money losing routes out of JFK. All of which have hurt their position in NYC and has damaged their performance out of LGA. That's exactly why they are even cutting LGA flights in these MAX cuts. The point is if they are not using those 30 slots and don't plan to add them back, then they should release them.


The MD of route planning just said in the most recent crew news every NYC slot will be used once the MAX grounding is lifted.


Great, then they can go back to flying a bunch of 44/50 seaters to within perimeter destinations much fewer destinations to connect to. Let's see how long that lasts. It's not like AA is under pressure from wall street to improve margins.

Re: OAG Changes 11/17/2019:4O Adds CUN-MIA,LAX-MTY;AA Cuts JFK Again;DL Exits PAP;UA Exits ELM, LAX-PSC

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:21 pm
by enilria
Brickell305 wrote:
enilria wrote:
Sightseer wrote:
Thanks Enilria!

:)
Brickell305 wrote:
But why? If they’ve already identified NYC as the go to place to cut flights while they’re fleet constrained, why should they arbitrarily switch those cuts to another hub?

Because there are SLOTS. Slots are supposed to be the property of the people of the United States as they are a scarce resource that exist because of taxpayer infrastructure like ATC and the Aviation TRust Fund. Airlines only have grandfathering rights to slots. By not flying the slots AA loses grandfathering. The slots should revert back to "the people" for re-allocation to an airline that will use them in the public interest.
admanager wrote:
UA PAE-SFO APR 4>3[4]
Paine continues to see its service being re-balanced after now 9 months of service. Last was AS dropping one LAX to add GEG. .
What will UA do with this slot? Add another Denver or get creative with something like ORD or IAH.

Looking at LFs, everything from PAE has been surprisingly full except for PDX on AS, averaged only a 51% LF through August and SFO on UA at 63%. Best are AS to PHX at 90% and LAS at 86%. Looks like AA was dumb for not doing PHX.
tphuang wrote:
But if that's the case, then there is no reason for them to run flights to places like MGA, SAP and GUA out of ATL. All these places are VFR + missionaries. Given how much more O&D there is out of South Florida, DL is always going to be relying more on connections to make these work.

I think those have definite business traffic connecting on to WAS/NYC/CHI. PAP is such a mess I don't see there being business traffic, and less so as things get worse. DL isn't flying losing flights for religious missionary reasons, I promise that. :)
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
That one doesn't seem right, like an error something for August. Its not for sale on the website so its not an OAG misfile issue.

That trip was announced when WOW announced they were coming into the market (like 10 days later for start almost the same week). Wouldn't be surprised if that is getting unwinded.

Shouldn’t slot management be under the purview of the entity that allocates the slots? If they have yet to push AA to use them and no other airline has filed a complaint, why wouldn’t AA continue as is?

The issue is that all the carriers use the gentlemen's agreement to not fully operate their slots during Holidays, for example, and they are loathe to disrupt the apple cart when AA will probably never add this flying back anyway. I think if AA attempts to add it back then you will probably see a complaint from DL/B6.

Re: OAG Changes 11/17/2019:4O Adds CUN-MIA,LAX-MTY;AA Cuts JFK Again;DL Exits PAP;UA Exits ELM, LAX-PSC

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:23 pm
by enilria
FilAmAirlines wrote:
enilria wrote:
UA FNT-ORD APR 3>1.0[4]

I feel conflicted about this. As an MBS person, FNT downgauges, reductions and eliminations are great news.
I am skeptical about this reduction by UA. I looked on UA's website, and the April 2020 flights still show 3-4 flights a day. I worry the FNT-ORD reduction is an error; even for that month. It's wishful thinking that will lead to UA leaving FNT.

That's a very dramatic cut for a single month. I have a feeling it will get reinstated. It's probably a filing mistake unless we see it extended.

Re: OAG Changes 11/17/2019:4O Adds CUN-MIA,LAX-MTY;AA Cuts JFK Again;DL Exits PAP;UA Exits ELM, LAX-PSC

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:25 pm
by enilria
jetmatt777 wrote:
RJNUT wrote:
FilAmAirlines wrote:
I feel conflicted about this. As an MBS person, FNT downgauges, reductions and eliminations are great news.
I am skeptical about this reduction by UA. I looked on UA's website, and the April 2020 flights still show 3-4 flights a day. I worry the FNT-ORD reduction is an error; even for that month. It's wishful thinking that will lead to UA leaving FNT.

Good natured rivalries seem fun but are you actually rooting for a neighboring city to lose air service, particularly in an area of Michigan that struggles for whatever service they can get ?


Agree. That's disturbing that people take it to such degrees.

Interestingly, such negative competitive talk is common in the airline world, but not openly expressed in the airport world. The amount of talking #^$^ on Norwegian on a.net is epic, but apparently that's ok.

Re: OAG Changes 11/17/2019:4O Adds CUN-MIA,LAX-MTY;AA Cuts JFK Again;DL Exits PAP;UA Exits ELM, LAX-PSC

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:35 pm
by RJNUT
Cape Air website is now updated as to allow bookings on the newly announced Nashville services,FYI

Re: OAG Changes 11/17/2019:4O Adds CUN-MIA,LAX-MTY;AA Cuts JFK Again;DL Exits PAP;UA Exits ELM, LAX-PSC

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:23 am
by evank516
admanager wrote:
UA PAE-SFO APR 4>3[4]
Paine continues to see its service being re-balanced after now 9 months of service. Last was AS dropping one LAX to add GEG. .
What will UA do with this slot? Add another Denver or get creative with something like ORD or IAH.


Honestly? ORD-PAE wouldn't surprise me at all. Isn't Boeing headquartered in Chicago?

Re: OAG Changes 11/17/2019:4O Adds CUN-MIA,LAX-MTY;AA Cuts JFK Again;DL Exits PAP;UA Exits ELM, LAX-PSC

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:12 am
by acentauri
Brickell305 wrote:
AA already announced that they'd be adding a second 77W to MIA-LHR. It starts on Oct 27. That changed has been discussed on here before. You're late to the game.

https://www.sfgate.com/travel/article/U ... 562473.php

American Airlines is making some changes to its transatlantic schedules starting this weekend. AA will increase its Dallas/Ft. Worth-Madrid service from seven flights a week to 11 through January 5, and its DFW-Paris CDG schedule from seven a week to 10 through January 3. Also starting October 27, American will increase Miami-London Heathrow service from one flight a day to two and will cut Philadelphia-LHR from two a day to one.

The AA PHL-LHR reduction is through Mar 28, then back to 2x AA + 2x BA from Mar 29. The 2nd AA PHL-LHR resumption eliminates the 2nd AA MIA-LHR flight. These and other swaps appear to be primarily related to aircraft shortage.

Re: OAG Changes 11/17/2019:4O Adds CUN-MIA,LAX-MTY;AA Cuts JFK Again;DL Exits PAP;UA Exits ELM, LAX-PSC

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:23 am
by clrd4t8koff
Brickell305 wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
BA LHR-MIA APR 3>2[3] MAY 3>2[3] JUN 3>2[3] JUL 3>2[3] AUG 3>2[3]

Wow, BA continues to cut MIA into peak summer after trimming it for late fall '19 and into winter/spring '20! Looking at a random date (May 15th) there's only 3 flights on BA/AA. How can two large OW hubs see such little service? Seems OS isn't the only struggling on MIA-Europe.

Looking at the same date (May 15th) BA/AA have 5 FLIGHTS, one still an A380, between BOS-LHR and BOS isn't even a OW hub. I'm guessing BOS has definitely overtaken MIA as a larger local market to London.


Okay, so let's look at this:

Brickell305 wrote:
1. Summer isn’t peak for LHR-MIA


This isn't just summer. From the OAG thread on 10/20/19:

BA LHR-MIA DEC 3>2[3] JAN 3>2[3] FEB 3>2[3] MAR 3>2[3]

Brickell305 wrote:
2. AA is adding a second flight to replace the BA capacity. It just hasn’t been loaded yet.


So AA has added their new BOS-LHR which is due to start at the same time, but nothing has been added in MIA. Why would AA not have loaded it if it's due to start in the spring and spring schedules have been out for a while?

Brickell305 wrote:
3. AFAIK MIA-LHR is a larger local market. BOS likely sees that many flights due to connx at the LHR end and due to the fact that due to geography, O&D traffic between the two is less likely to connect via a third city. That is to say, LHR-MIA traffic has a few more logical connecting hubs (ATL, CLT, JFK, etc.) than BOS-LHR would have.


I'm still going with BOS being a larger local market now. However, if someone has the actual stats with a source I'd be happy to be proven wrong. Just look at flights on May 15th.

MIA - LON:

2x BA
1x AA
1x DY

BOS - LON:
4X BA
1X AA
2X VS
2X DL (1 LHR & 1 LGW)
1X DY

BOS will have 10 daily flights to LON while MIA will have 4.

AA already announced that they'd be adding a second 77W to MIA-LHR. It starts on Oct 27. That changed has been discussed on here before. You're late to the game.

https://www.sfgate.com/travel/article/U ... 562473.php

American Airlines is making some changes to its transatlantic schedules starting this weekend. AA will increase its Dallas/Ft. Worth-Madrid service from seven flights a week to 11 through January 5, and its DFW-Paris CDG schedule from seven a week to 10 through January 3. Also starting October 27, American will increase Miami-London Heathrow service from one flight a day to two and will cut Philadelphia-LHR from two a day to one.


So why from March 29th on is there only ONE AA MIA-LHR flight at 6:35pm? Where is this second 77W flight? You’re late to the game.

Re: OAG Changes 11/17/2019:4O Adds CUN-MIA,LAX-MTY;AA Cuts JFK Again;DL Exits PAP;UA Exits ELM, LAX-PSC

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:26 am
by clrd4t8koff
acentauri wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
AA already announced that they'd be adding a second 77W to MIA-LHR. It starts on Oct 27. That changed has been discussed on here before. You're late to the game.

https://www.sfgate.com/travel/article/U ... 562473.php

American Airlines is making some changes to its transatlantic schedules starting this weekend. AA will increase its Dallas/Ft. Worth-Madrid service from seven flights a week to 11 through January 5, and its DFW-Paris CDG schedule from seven a week to 10 through January 3. Also starting October 27, American will increase Miami-London Heathrow service from one flight a day to two and will cut Philadelphia-LHR from two a day to one.

The AA PHL-LHR reduction is through Mar 28, then back to 2x AA + 2x BA from Mar 29. The 2nd AA PHL-LHR resumption eliminates the 2nd AA MIA-LHR flight. These and other swaps appear to be primarily related to aircraft shortage.


I’m not so sure it’s entirely aircraft shortage related. If AA wanted a second daily MIA-LHR they could easily have it. Instead, they’ve chosen to add BOS-LHR on a 77E starting 3/29, which ironically positions up from MIA.

Re: OAG Changes 11/17/2019:4O Adds CUN-MIA,LAX-MTY;AA Cuts JFK Again;DL Exits PAP;UA Exits ELM, LAX-PSC

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:13 pm
by FilAmAirlines
jetmatt777 wrote:
RJNUT wrote:
FilAmAirlines wrote:
I feel conflicted about this. As an MBS person, FNT downgauges, reductions and eliminations are great news.
I am skeptical about this reduction by UA. I looked on UA's website, and the April 2020 flights still show 3-4 flights a day. I worry the FNT-ORD reduction is an error; even for that month. It's wishful thinking that will lead to UA leaving FNT.

Good natured rivalries seem fun but are you actually rooting for a neighboring city to lose air service, particularly in an area of Michigan that struggles for whatever service they can get ?


Agree. That's disturbing that people take it to such degrees.

FNT is not struggling for service; unlike LAN and MBS. They get plenty of passengers from Genesee County, parts of Oakland County, etc. FNT has DL, CR7 service from MQ and E175s from EV; and G4.
MBS gets derided as the "Dow Shuttle" or "Dow International Airport." Also, MBS only gets a couple CR9s at most.

Re: OAG Changes 11/17/2019:4O Adds CUN-MIA,LAX-MTY;AA Cuts JFK Again;DL Exits PAP;UA Exits ELM, LAX-PSC

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:32 pm
by enilria
UpNAWAy wrote:
The MD of route planning just said in the most recent crew news every NYC slot will be used once the MAX grounding is lifted.

I mean frankly the slots should be taken away from them long before that. This is a terrible precedent. What stops any airline from using some excuse to block competition at a slotted airport now? There are tons of excuses that can always be used: "A321 deliveries are delayed", "there is a union work slowdown", "FAA is requiring inspections taking X planes out of service", "an increase to the passenger weight assumption means some of our fleet can't operate at LGA". If this is allowed to stand unchallenged it is a Pandora's box.