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Every Easyjet flight is carbon neutral starting today 19/11/2019

Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:33 pm

Good evening,


I received a pleasant email from Easyjet about their resolution to fully offset their CO2 emissions with immediate effect.

This is big news because until now, we've seen airlines sell carbon offsets, but non took such a drastic commitment at such a large scale.
As someone who runs a small scale carbon compensation experiment, while at the same time a semi-skeptic of global warming, I applaud Easyjet for taking responsibility and will definitely book additional flights with them.


We’re the first major airline to offset the carbon emissions from the fuel used for every single flight.
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Naturally, we believe that flying is a fantastic thing. But we have to balance this with the effect we know it is having on the environment. So for every flight we operate, we’ll offset the carbon it produces from the fuel used, by investing in projects that include the planting of trees or protection against deforestation. We know that carbon offsetting is only an interim measure while new technologies are developed. However, at the moment we believe it’s the best way to remove carbon from the atmosphere.


But we won’t stop there. We’ll continue to find other ways to reduce carbon emissions such as taxiing on one engine or removing weight from our aircraft, both of which use less fuel. We have championed the development of electric technology and will continue to do so in order to ensure that flying remains a sustainable option for us all in the future.


https://www.easyjet.com/en/sustainability



The CEO on Bloomberg:
EasyJet CEO: We’re Offsetting All Carbon Emission From Today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4TqTQ5Dm-c



Euronews:
EVERY EASYJET FLIGHT IS CARBON NEUTRAL STARTING TODAY

https://www.euronews.com/living/2019/11 ... ting-today



Also on Flightglobal:
"EasyJet will compensate for every tonne of carbon dioxide emitted from fuel used for its flights," says the carrier, claiming that it will be the first major operator to have net-zero carbon emissions.

It says the cost of the scheme, along with its work to support new environmentally-friendly technology, will amount to around £25 million for the full year 2019-20.


https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... tw-462389/



We're holding a few debates about our energy future in following threads, and some posters have mentionned using carbon compensation instruments rather than innovation, others have expressed skepticism about global warming:

Engine efficiency-what are the limits?
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1435209

Emirates Chairman slams other airlines and Airbus for mishandling and retiring A380
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1435033
 
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Re: Every Easyjet flight is carbon neutral starting today 19/11/2019

Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:56 pm

Good news! Hopefully others will follow suit.
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Re: Every Easyjet flight is carbon neutral starting today 19/11/2019

Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:21 pm

Easyjet carried 88.5 million passengers last year at 78 g CO2 per passenger, i. e. they emitted 6.9 million tons of CO2 in 2018. Some political parties are pushing for a CO2 price of >100€/$/whatever you use/... per kg. Easyjets scheme will cost them about 3.6 £ per kg of CO2. It sounds good but I feel it's more to appease their eco-conscious travellers than actually effective measures.
 
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Re: Every Easyjet flight is carbon neutral starting today 19/11/2019

Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:48 pm

mxaxai wrote:
Easyjet carried 88.5 million passengers last year at 78 g CO2 per passenger, i. e. they emitted 6.9 million tons of CO2 in 2018. Some political parties are pushing for a CO2 price of >100€/$/whatever you use/... per kg. Easyjets scheme will cost them about 3.6 £ per kg of CO2. It sounds good but I feel it's more to appease their eco-conscious travellers than actually effective measures.


You don't think it's effective because they got their carbon offsets cheap?
 
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Re: Every Easyjet flight is carbon neutral starting today 19/11/2019

Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:54 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
mxaxai wrote:
Easyjet carried 88.5 million passengers last year at 78 g CO2 per passenger, i. e. they emitted 6.9 million tons of CO2 in 2018. Some political parties are pushing for a CO2 price of >100€/$/whatever you use/... per kg. Easyjets scheme will cost them about 3.6 £ per kg of CO2. It sounds good but I feel it's more to appease their eco-conscious travellers than actually effective measures.


You don't think it's effective because they got their carbon offsets cheap?


+ How much is tax deductible ?
 
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Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:15 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
mxaxai wrote:
Easyjet carried 88.5 million passengers last year at 78 g CO2 per passenger, i. e. they emitted 6.9 million tons kg of CO2 in 2018. Some political parties are pushing for a CO2 price of >100€/$/whatever you use/... per kg ton. Easyjets scheme will cost them about 3.6 £ per kg of CO2, or 3600 £ per ton. It sounds good but I feel it's more to appease their eco-conscious travellers than actually effective measures.


You don't think it's effective because they got their carbon offsets cheap?

Actually, I have to take a step back. I got kg and tons mixed up; fixed it in the quote.

At the same time, the claimed 78 g CO2 per passenger are utterly unrealistic. That would mean that each passenger needs only 24 g JET-A1 per flight. Good luck finding a jet with such low fuel consumption. More likely is that they meant 78 kg per passenger, in which case we return to 3.6 £ per ton of CO2.

Overall, yes, their much lower than average CO2 cost makes it likely less effective. You get what you pay for, after all.
 
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Re: Every Easyjet flight is carbon neutral starting today 19/11/2019

Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:24 pm

In reality it is only effective based on how wisely the carbon off set money is actually spent, and how much of that goes to actually offsetting the CO2 (versus administrative purposes at whatever green venture they invest in, etc)
 
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Re: Every Easyjet flight is carbon neutral starting today 19/11/2019

Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:26 pm

This is genius given the rise of carbon consciousness among young people in Europe (ie their customer base).
 
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Re: Every Easyjet flight is carbon neutral starting today 19/11/2019

Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:00 pm

Polot wrote:
In reality it is only effective based on how wisely the carbon off set money is actually spent, and how much of that goes to actually offsetting the CO2 (versus administrative purposes at whatever green venture they invest in, etc)


I would caution against injecting reality into what has become a political debate.

Rdh3e wrote:
This is genius given the rise of carbon consciousness among young people in Europe (ie their customer base).


Exactly, its good branding. How many new Chinese coal power plants were built this year?
 
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Re: Every Easyjet flight is carbon neutral starting today 19/11/2019

Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:24 pm

It's a bit like burning down a forrest, then giving the owner a few shekels thinking all is fine. Well, no, it isn't.

Carbon credits is a hoax allowing polluting industries to present themselves as being green, when they're anything but. Unless each and every dime paid for those credits are used to rehabilitate nature and/or fund development of traditional farming to ecologically based farming, all it does is make a few rich people even richer, and feed an enormous livestock of faceless bureaucrats. And I can assure you the former is not the case.

Step in the right direction? Nope. Buying yourself a better image? Yep.
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Re: Every Easyjet flight is carbon neutral starting today 19/11/2019

Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:46 pm

Carbon neutrality is probably one of the biggest scams out there. But hey a lot will get rich off of it.
 
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Re: Every Easyjet flight is carbon neutral starting today 19/11/2019

Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:20 pm

Every little helps but every airline needs to be doing this.
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Re: Every Easyjet flight is carbon neutral starting today 19/11/2019

Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:37 pm

Some may say the 'Climate Emergency' is just a globalist elite plan to find new ways to tax the population into less guilt.

Just type into Google "x warming twice as fast as rest of the world / average" (replacing x with any country of your choice) and you'll find that anywhere in the world is apparently warming faster than the rest of the world!

Anyhoo, one cannot fault EasyJet as I believe they are one of the first airlines to actively finance and research viability of electric planes, and with this announcement one can only praise their influence.

Maybe if more people where to actively seek answers and modern solutions to the climate issues, putting effort into researching and designing, rather than sitting in the middle of a London street chained to a bollard filming themselves on their Apple IPhone 13's whilst at the same time complaining about capitalism ; the world may be in a better place.
 
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Re: Every Easyjet flight is carbon neutral starting today 19/11/2019

Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:55 pm

adamblang wrote:
Good news! Hopefully others will follow suit.


Canada's Harbour Air, who have all-electric aspirations, is believed to have been the world's first 100% carbon offset airline in 2007: https://www.bcbusiness.ca/Electric-Aven ... ee-airline

Excellent move by Easyjet that hopefully others will follow in short order.
 
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Re: Every Easyjet flight is carbon neutral starting today 19/11/2019

Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:39 pm

mxaxai wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
mxaxai wrote:
Easyjet carried 88.5 million passengers last year at 78 g CO2 per passenger, i. e. they emitted 6.9 million tons kg of CO2 in 2018. Some political parties are pushing for a CO2 price of >100€/$/whatever you use/... per kg ton. Easyjets scheme will cost them about 3.6 £ per kg of CO2, or 3600 £ per ton. It sounds good but I feel it's more to appease their eco-conscious travellers than actually effective measures.


You don't think it's effective because they got their carbon offsets cheap?

Actually, I have to take a step back. I got kg and tons mixed up; fixed it in the quote.

At the same time, the claimed 78 g CO2 per passenger are utterly unrealistic. That would mean that each passenger needs only 24 g JET-A1 per flight. Good luck finding a jet with such low fuel consumption. More likely is that they meant 78 kg per passenger, in which case we return to 3.6 £ per ton of CO2.

Overall, yes, their much lower than average CO2 cost makes it likely less effective. You get what you pay for, after all.

I think 78 grams is indeed correct. Per km... It’s on the low side, probably counting jet fuel burn only, but still.

/Fredrik
 
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Re: Every Easyjet flight is carbon neutral starting today 19/11/2019

Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:19 pm

How much will Easyjet's actions change global temperatures going forward?
 
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Re: Every Easyjet flight is carbon neutral starting today 19/11/2019

Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:52 pm

TheOldDude wrote:
How much will Easyjet's actions change global temperatures going forward?

Don’t question the wisdom of the herd. Feelings trump reality. [/sarcasm]
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Re: Every Easyjet flight is carbon neutral starting today 19/11/2019

Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:02 am

runway23 wrote:
+ How much is tax deductible ?


In the UK works out at whatever corporation tax is, so like 19%. But even then, why does this matter, every business expense is taxable - Airbus or Boeing hosting clients in 5 star hotels or dining clients in Michelin star restaurants is tax deductible, but you're not complaining about that? Just because something is tax deductible doesn't mean it's free...
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Re: Every Easyjet flight is carbon neutral starting today 19/11/2019

Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:03 am

TheOldDude wrote:
How much will Easyjet's actions change global temperatures going forward?


How much will every airlines following suit impact the environment is the bigger question here, surely? I don't think just 'carbon offsetting everything' is the solution, but it's better than the rest currently do.
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Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:47 am

carbon offset fees do not reduce carbon emissions, they only ease the guilt by paying a small free of appeasement. if the trend continues to all airlines, there will be this huge fund of goodness and no change to carbon production.
 
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Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:44 am

kanban wrote:
carbon offset fees do not reduce carbon emissions, they only ease the guilt by paying a small free of appeasement. if the trend continues to all airlines, there will be this huge fund of goodness and no change to carbon production.


That^^^^^^right there. It's money scam.
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Re: Every Easyjet flight is carbon neutral starting today 19/11/2019

Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:41 am

I would much rather applaud a 707 roaring and belching out tons of smoke :)
 
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Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:51 am

You people will fall for anything. It's a scam and a shell game.
 
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Re: Every Easyjet flight is carbon neutral starting today 19/11/2019

Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:44 am

kanban wrote:
carbon offset fees do not reduce carbon emissions.


Of course not, the point of an offset is not to reduce CO2 emissions, it is not to add CO2 emissions. So that is simply a strawman.

Now the way EZ does it is in deed not really effective, as they describe what they do
EZ wrote:
What is carbon offsetting?

Carbon offsetting is the reduction of emissions of carbon dioxide or other greenhouse gases from the atmosphere in order to compensate for emissions made elsewhere.
This means making sure that for every tonne of CO2 emitted by our planes, there is one tonne less in the atmosphere. We can do this by investing in projects which physically remove CO2 from the air such as planting more trees or protecting against deforestation.

Carbon can be offset in this way because one tonne of CO2 has the same climate impact wherever it is emitted.


Planting Trees does in deed sequester CO2, but only if they are never cut down, all the CO2 comes back out when they rott, and maintained pretty much indefinitely, Protecting deforestation doesn´t change the demand for wood, so just some other forest will be cut down and the net effect is zero.

If you want it to be effective you need to compensate via projects that are CDM Gold Standard, or equivalent, certified, of course they don´t come at 3,60 pound/t, those are about 4 to 5 times that.

JamesCousins wrote:
TheOldDude wrote:
How much will Easyjet's actions change global temperatures going forward?


How much will every airlines following suit impact the environment is the bigger question here, surely? I don't think just 'carbon offsetting everything' is the solution, but it's better than the rest currently do.


One should applause EZ for the move, even if market conditions only allow it to be a rather token gesture than something really effective. It is inevitable these days, there are plenty of large companies theses days that award score points in tenders for ISO140001 compliance, carbon reduction plans and compensation. Its essentially already at the "get on board or get out of the business" stage. Good.

JamesCousins wrote:
runway23 wrote:
+ How much is tax deductible ?


In the UK works out at whatever corporation tax is, so like 19%. But even then, why does this matter, every business expense is taxable - Airbus or Boeing hosting clients in 5 star hotels or dining clients in Michelin star restaurants is tax deductible, but you're not complaining about that? Just because something is tax deductible doesn't mean it's free...


If they buy the right certificates it is even a charitable contribution.

crownvic wrote:
I would much rather applaud a 707 roaring and belching out tons of smoke :)


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Re: Every Easyjet flight is carbon neutral starting today 19/11/2019

Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:55 am

Some questions to ask about carbon offsetting:
[list=][*] Is it CO2 or CO2e that Easyjet if offsetting? My guess is pure CO2 for flight operations only as this is the easiest too calculate. However, it does miss a lot of the potential impact. For airlines 1 kg CO2 ≤ 1kg CO2e. This is because of where the CO2 is emitted, plus all of the other emissions associated with the flight. For some flights you even have to account for the H2O emissions
[*] What about non flight operations, which are a substantial portion of an airlines total emissions, eg GSE, space heating, etc? Is EZY offsetting these or just leaving it up to the contractors.
[*] Are the offsets current or future offsets, e.g. are they paying to others to emit less CO2 now or for things like planting trees? Current offsets are far more effective and much easier to account for. Once we get into things like planting trees the measures of effectiveness become much harder to judge. It will be dependent on such things as: where, type of vegetation, is the land use changing significantly, how long will the trees remain in situ. Further, pricing for these is based on an assumed discount factor for the damage done by CO2. The discount rate is highly disputed
[*]Are all of their offsets independently audited and can they be audited using the same/similar methodology(ies).
[/list]

If and how this effects emissions and concentrations will be highly dependent on the above. If they are paying others not to emit this will drive emissions down from the baseline, ie. not offsetting. However, if they are planting trees etc this will only effect future concentrations and have zero impact on emissions or emissions trajectories.
 
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Re: Every Easyjet flight is carbon neutral starting today 19/11/2019

Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:09 am

SPREE34 wrote:
kanban wrote:
carbon offset fees do not reduce carbon emissions, they only ease the guilt by paying a small free of appeasement. if the trend continues to all airlines, there will be this huge fund of goodness and no change to carbon production.


That^^^^^^right there. It's money scam.


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