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Poland now in US Visa Waiver Program, next destinations for LOT?

Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:40 pm

So Poland's now in the USA Visa Waiver Program so traffic between the USA & Poland will grow. I think all the major markets in the USA are now covered by LOT (JFK EWR ORD LAX MIA) and soon SFO. After SFO they should launch IAD which is another UA hub. Also they should re-time their DEL flight to offer a faster connection to their US/Canada flights (this is how you fill the DEL flight with SO MANY empty seats).
 
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Re: Poland now in US Visa Waiver Program, next destinations for LOT?

Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:54 pm

With connections now available through WAW to India without a visa a DTW-WAW flight would be a win win for the Poles and Indian population in Southeastern Michigan.
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Re: Poland now in US Visa Waiver Program, next destinations for LOT?

Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:56 pm

AA’s ORD-KRK will benefit. If it does well, I assume they’ll grow Poland from there.

klm617 wrote:
With connections now available through WAW to India without a visa a DTW-WAW flight would be a win win for the Poles and Indian population in Southeastern Michigan.


...Oh boy.
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Re: Poland now in US Visa Waiver Program, next destinations for LOT?

Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:56 pm

BOS.....
 
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Re: Poland now in US Visa Waiver Program, next destinations for LOT?

Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:04 pm

All the big markets are covered. They have added way too much capacity in too little time. They need to let that mature.
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Re: Poland now in US Visa Waiver Program, next destinations for LOT?

Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:13 pm

I'm planning a trip to Athens/Rome and was surprised LOT doesn't fly WAW-ATH or WAW-FCO. I think the market can take 2 carriers and LO has low trans-Atlantic fares anyways.
 
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Re: Poland now in US Visa Waiver Program, next destinations for LOT?

Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:17 pm

Wonder if DL will launch DTW-WAW, 763 would work well.
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Re: Poland now in US Visa Waiver Program, next destinations for LOT?

Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:36 pm

IAD seems most likely followed by BOS. IAD is a big Star Alliance hub, and LOT is one of the few Star carriers not to serve IAD. BOS would be good one afterward as there is probably a decent pull overall. IAH also seems possible eventually due to the Star Alliance hub, as well.

But my top 3 order is:
1. IAD
2. BOS
3. IAH
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Re: Poland now in US Visa Waiver Program, next destinations for LOT?

Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:37 pm

And if LOT does launch DTW over IAD, BOS, and IAH, I will write an essay on why DTW is the most important market in the US and how it is underserved...
 
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Re: Poland now in US Visa Waiver Program, next destinations for LOT?

Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:56 pm

This might give you a good idea of areas with the greatest potential for US-Poland flights:

Polish ancestry in the USA (1990 census) and Canada (2016 census).
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Re: Poland now in US Visa Waiver Program, next destinations for LOT?

Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:46 pm

x1234 wrote:
I'm planning a trip to Athens/Rome and was surprised LOT doesn't fly WAW-ATH or WAW-FCO. I think the market can take 2 carriers and LO has low trans-Atlantic fares anyways.


LO has a pair of slots for WAW-ATH and for WAW-FCO for S2019 and I would expect LO to announce these routes as soon as they feel their MAX will be ungrounded on time.

As to US routes:

1. BOS
2. IAD

Anything else is much less probable (not to mean that any of the above is probable for 2021), but if I were to speculate, IAH is even less probable than DTW. LO does not count much on UA feed.
 
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Re: Poland now in US Visa Waiver Program, next destinations for LOT?

Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:02 pm

SFO was chosen not only because of tourist appeal but also because it’s proximity to Silicon Valley.

Next year, LOT will expand its US network again. From May 3, 2020, it will strengthen connections with Lesser Poland, offering weekly flights on the new route to New York (JFK). In the summer season, the frequency of flights from Krakow to Chicago will also increase to five per week. On August 5, next year, for the first time, LOT will start from Warsaw to San Francisco - one of the centers of California's Silicon Valley and a key tourist destination of the USA. The call will be made four times a week.


https://www.pasazer.com/mobi/news/42649/pierwsi,polacy,polecieli,do,usa,bez,wiz.html

So while Detroit appears to have a the majority of Americans with ancestral ties, this isn’t the only factor in determining a route.
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Re: Poland now in US Visa Waiver Program, next destinations for LOT?

Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:13 pm

Fingers crossed for some UA service to Poland!
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Re: Poland now in US Visa Waiver Program, next destinations for LOT?

Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:57 pm

JakubH wrote:
This might give you a good idea of areas with the greatest potential for US-Poland flights:


That's a particularly poor use of mapping: states and provinces aren't equal in population. States/provinces can be served by more than one major international airport. Super hubs aggregate traffic regionally.

And, put more simply: 3% of a big number means more than 10% of a small number when trying to fill an increment of capacity (a plane).
 
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Re: Poland now in US Visa Waiver Program, next destinations for LOT?

Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:02 am

Well surely MKE will make the cut!
 
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Re: Poland now in US Visa Waiver Program, next destinations for LOT?

Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:03 am

A lot to cover here..

x1234 wrote:
So Poland's now in the USA Visa Waiver Program so traffic between the USA & Poland will grow. I think all the major markets in the USA are now covered by LOT (JFK EWR ORD LAX MIA) and soon SFO. After SFO they should launch IAD which is another UA hub. Also they should re-time their DEL flight to offer a faster connection to their US/Canada flights (this is how you fill the DEL flight with SO MANY empty seats).


IAD would be more for D.C./Virginia/Maryland local traffic than UA feed. Nor is SFO being started with UA in mind. LOT and UA don't codeshare - just check out the flights to EWR and ORD (not that LO needs any help from them at either airport).

As for DEL, what empty seats? The flights are full and doing well according to the country manager. They were not started for TATL connections but rather Poland and Europe. If they are happening that's just extra.

Ishrion wrote:
AA’s ORD-KRK will benefit. If it does well, I assume they’ll grow Poland from there.

klm617 wrote:
With connections now available through WAW to India without a visa a DTW-WAW flight would be a win win for the Poles and Indian population in Southeastern Michigan.


...Oh boy.


True, they already increased it to 6x weekly.

Polish-Americans never needed a visa to travel to Poland, so the recent events don't change anything.

From Poland, expect more traffic to New York, Florida, Chicago, California - not the suburbs of Michigan. Not that there's anything wrong with them, but they aren't really tourism or business hot spots.

Varsity1 wrote:
Wonder if DL will launch DTW-WAW, 763 would work well.


Far more likely than LO starting it IMO.

N292UX wrote:
IAD seems most likely followed by BOS. IAD is a big Star Alliance hub, and LOT is one of the few Star carriers not to serve IAD. BOS would be good one afterward as there is probably a decent pull overall. IAH also seems possible eventually due to the Star Alliance hub, as well.

But my top 3 order is:
1. IAD
2. BOS
3. IAH


I predict:

1. Increases to current destinations
2. BOS
3. IAD
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:05 am

N292UX wrote:
And if LOT does launch DTW over IAD, BOS, and IAH, I will write an essay on why DTW is the most important market in the US and how it is underserved...


I'll co-author it with you. LOT doesn't even keep Chicago daily thru the winter. I'm not holding my breath for DTW.
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:00 am

OceanAir wrote:

Ishrion wrote:
AA’s ORD-KRK will benefit. If it does well, I assume they’ll grow Poland from there.


True, they already increased it to 6x weekly.



Huh? Since when? Thought it was always 5x.
 
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Re: Poland now in US Visa Waiver Program, next destinations for LOT?

Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:13 am

Ishrion wrote:
OceanAir wrote:

Ishrion wrote:
AA’s ORD-KRK will benefit. If it does well, I assume they’ll grow Poland from there.


True, they already increased it to 6x weekly.



Huh? Since when? Thought it was always 5x.


Since last week as a result of greater than anticipated forward bookings. LO will be 5x.

https://www.pasazer.com/news/42596/amer ... icago.html
 
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Re: Poland now in US Visa Waiver Program, next destinations for LOT?

Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:34 am

OceanAir wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
OceanAir wrote:



True, they already increased it to 6x weekly.



Huh? Since when? Thought it was always 5x.


Since last week as a result of greater than anticipated forward bookings. LO will be 5x.

https://www.pasazer.com/news/42596/amer ... icago.html


Thanks!

Wow, even ORD-BUD goes from 4x to 6x weekly, and it mentions a possible increase for ORD-PRG.
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:36 am

x1234 wrote:
So Poland's now in the USA Visa Waiver Program so traffic between the USA & Poland will grow.


First one in 5.5 years. I would love to see more preboaring facilities.

July 1, 1988: United Kingdom
December 15, 1988: Japan
July 1, 1989: France, Switzerland
July 15, 1989: (West) Germany, Sweden
July 29, 1989: Italy, Netherlands
July 29, 1991: Monaco
October 1, 1991: Andorra, Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, New Zealand, Norway, San Marino, Spain
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November 1, 2012: Taiwan
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November 11, 2019: Poland

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Re: Poland now in US Visa Waiver Program, next destinations for LOT?

Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:42 am

OceanAir wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
OceanAir wrote:



True, they already increased it to 6x weekly.



Huh? Since when? Thought it was always 5x.


Since last week as a result of greater than anticipated forward bookings. LO will be 5x.

https://www.pasazer.com/news/42596/amer ... icago.html


Interesting, I have not see anything official on this.


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Re: Poland now in US Visa Waiver Program, next destinations for LOT?

Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:49 pm

PacoMartin wrote:
x1234 wrote:
So Poland's now in the USA Visa Waiver Program so traffic between the USA & Poland will grow.


First one in 5.5 years. I would love to see more preboaring facilities.

July 1, 1988: United Kingdom
December 15, 1988: Japan
July 1, 1989: France, Switzerland
July 15, 1989: (West) Germany, Sweden


A bit off topic but I have always been curious, did every country besides Canada require a visa to the US even for tourism then?
I figured the UK would have had visa free access to the US far before 1988.
 
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Re: Poland now in US Visa Waiver Program, next destinations for LOT?

Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:50 pm

PacoMartin wrote:
x1234 wrote:
So Poland's now in the USA Visa Waiver Program so traffic between the USA & Poland will grow.


First one in 5.5 years. I would love to see more preboaring facilities.

July 1, 1988: United Kingdom
December 15, 1988: Japan
July 1, 1989: France, Switzerland
July 15, 1989: (West) Germany, Sweden


A bit off topic but I have always been curious, did every country besides Canada require a visa to the US even for tourism then?
I figured the UK would have had visa free access to the US far before 1988.

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