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Avatar Airlines (formerly Family Airlines) start up tries again..

Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:52 pm

27 years later and they are still trying...


Nevada based Avatar Airlines is back at the DOT door step seeking air carrier certificate to launch low cost 747 service.
Carrier says it seeks to initially link markets LAX, LAS, JFK and MIA using high density (581 seats mentioned) 747-400 aircraft. They eventually seek to grow 747 fleets including -8 variants and link additional large metro areas such as Chicago, Orlando, Dallas, San Francisco, Philadelphia, and Honolulu.

2019-0164-0001

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Lets not forget the little detail that the founder has a checkered history including conviction for securities fraud.

Below link to proposed $300mil private placement prospectus
https://avatarairlines.com/wp-content/u ... 111819.pdf
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Re: Avatar Airlines (formerly Family Airlines) start up tries again..

Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:11 am

Ok I'll bite...

Will Avatar and Baltia merge? :duck:
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Re: Avatar Airlines (formerly Family Airlines) start up tries again..

Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:14 am

Sure is persistent. Essentially the same concept since Family days in 1990.

Wonder how many people he will bilk money from?
 
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Re: Avatar Airlines (formerly Family Airlines) start up tries again..

Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:46 am

Avatar will capture some of that revenue by selling ad space to help ensure that its ticket prices remain ultralow, even if Avatar’s expenses rise. Tempered only by FCC safety regulations and requirements, nothing will be sacred. Anything that you see or touch will be available for purchase. Management even envisions patrons using the restroom and being “greeted” by a named brand bathroom tissue company when they look inside the lid of the lavatory bowl. The outside of the aircraft may be adorned by e.g., Pepsi, Google or any other named brand on a massive aircraft “wrap.” Tray tables and overhead bins will be virtual billboards in the sky.
 
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Re: Avatar Airlines (formerly Family Airlines) start up tries again..

Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:50 am

rnav2dlrey wrote:
Avatar will capture some of that revenue by selling ad space to help ensure that its ticket prices remain ultralow, even if Avatar’s expenses rise. Tempered only by FCC safety regulations and requirements, nothing will be sacred. Anything that you see or touch will be available for purchase. Management even envisions patrons using the restroom and being “greeted” by a named brand bathroom tissue company when they look inside the lid of the lavatory bowl. The outside of the aircraft may be adorned by e.g., Pepsi, Google or any other named brand on a massive aircraft “wrap.” Tray tables and overhead bins will be virtual billboards in the sky.


Management believes once Avatar commences flight operations, an IPO within 3-5 years will fund the purchase of 30 new Boeing 747-8s, which are larger and more fuel-efficient than the 400s. Avatar is presently in discussions with Boeing Commercial regarding the matter.


if i send a tweet to @boeingairplanes, am i "presently in discussions" with BCA?
 
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Re: Avatar Airlines (formerly Family Airlines) start up tries again..

Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:08 am

Wasn't this the guy that stole everybody's money on a kickstarted campaign
Interesting how every thread is spammed with "bring back paid membership, there are too many spammers"
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:21 am

Besides being a convicted felon, he also unsuccessfully for the U.S. Senate seat. Real con man..
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:25 am

.. Good LORT ! .. OK well, this'll be fun to watch (again!) ;)
 
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Re: Avatar Airlines (formerly Family Airlines) start up tries again..

Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:28 am

They say, according to their prospectus, that cramming 581 passengers into a 747 is going to give them a "lots of room feeling"?
 
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Re: Avatar Airlines (formerly Family Airlines) start up tries again..

Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:29 am

Can’t wait to see that 30 747-8I order.........
 
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Re: Avatar Airlines (formerly Family Airlines) start up tries again..

Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:52 am

LAXintl wrote:
27 years later and they are still trying...


Nevada based Avatar Airlines is back at the DOT door step seeking air carrier certificate to launch low cost 747 service.
Carrier says it seeks to initially link markets LAX, LAS, JFK and MIA using high density (581 seats mentioned) 747-400 aircraft. They eventually seek to grow 747 fleets including -8 variants and link additional large metro areas such as Chicago, Orlando, Dallas, San Francisco, Philadelphia, and Honolulu.

2019-0164-0001

=

Lets not forget the little detail that the founder has a checkered history including conviction for securities fraud.

Below link to proposed $300mil private placement prospectus
https://avatarairlines.com/wp-content/u ... 111819.pdf

Clearly a desire to operate US made aircraft is driving them away from the obvious A380 opportunity!
 
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Re: Avatar Airlines (formerly Family Airlines) start up tries again..

Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:55 am

HA HA HA HA HA. Next stupid idea....?
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Re: Avatar Airlines (formerly Family Airlines) start up tries again..

Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:55 am

enilria wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
27 years later and they are still trying...


Nevada based Avatar Airlines is back at the DOT door step seeking air carrier certificate to launch low cost 747 service.
Carrier says it seeks to initially link markets LAX, LAS, JFK and MIA using high density (581 seats mentioned) 747-400 aircraft. They eventually seek to grow 747 fleets including -8 variants and link additional large metro areas such as Chicago, Orlando, Dallas, San Francisco, Philadelphia, and Honolulu.

2019-0164-0001

=

Lets not forget the little detail that the founder has a checkered history including conviction for securities fraud.

Below link to proposed $300mil private placement prospectus
https://avatarairlines.com/wp-content/u ... 111819.pdf

Clearly a desire to operate US made aircraft is driving them away from the obvious A380 opportunity!


Can LAS and MIA handle A380 though?
 
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Re: Avatar Airlines (formerly Family Airlines) start up tries again..

Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:09 am

How much money are they trying to scam people out of this round?
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Re: Avatar Airlines (formerly Family Airlines) start up tries again..

Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:26 am

Everything Barry Michael's has touched has gone to poo. He even tried doing a medical clinic at last check. The guy has been to prison for the first embezzlement try with Family Airlines.

Sadly, he will con people out of their money again. He just gets smarter with his cons as he goes. I remember when they decided to change from Family Airlines to Avatar!!! All because of the movie. Yeah, the thought process is a bit flawed.

I'm sure they will change the name again. Maybe the next airline will be Toy Story 4?

Thankfully there is a local reporter that monitors him real closely.
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Re: Avatar Airlines (formerly Family Airlines) start up tries again..

Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:32 pm

Veigar wrote:
enilria wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
27 years later and they are still trying...


Nevada based Avatar Airlines is back at the DOT door step seeking air carrier certificate to launch low cost 747 service.
Carrier says it seeks to initially link markets LAX, LAS, JFK and MIA using high density (581 seats mentioned) 747-400 aircraft. They eventually seek to grow 747 fleets including -8 variants and link additional large metro areas such as Chicago, Orlando, Dallas, San Francisco, Philadelphia, and Honolulu.

2019-0164-0001

=

Lets not forget the little detail that the founder has a checkered history including conviction for securities fraud.

Below link to proposed $300mil private placement prospectus
https://avatarairlines.com/wp-content/u ... 111819.pdf

Clearly a desire to operate US made aircraft is driving them away from the obvious A380 opportunity!


Can LAS and MIA handle A380 though?

That's clearly the biggest obstacle. /s
 
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Re: Avatar Airlines (formerly Family Airlines) start up tries again..

Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:24 pm

rnav2dlrey wrote:
Avatar will capture some of that revenue by selling ad space to help ensure that its ticket prices remain ultralow, even if Avatar’s expenses rise. Tempered only by FCC safety regulations and requirements, nothing will be sacred. Anything that you see or touch will be available for purchase. Management even envisions patrons using the restroom and being “greeted” by a named brand bathroom tissue company when they look inside the lid of the lavatory bowl. The outside of the aircraft may be adorned by e.g., Pepsi, Google or any other named brand on a massive aircraft “wrap.” Tray tables and overhead bins will be virtual billboards in the sky.


Avatar, may be the worst name & should say it all about the company. I understand this IS the way things are going, if you've flown NK they have advertising (or at least did) on the overhead bin lids. The 744 sure has a lot of exterior advertising space, only missed by the A-380, but some of these airports are not likely A-380 capable. If it means I can get name brand tissue, I'd still never fly them & bring my own. LOL! Not like any airline uses anything but 1 ply, chaffe master brand.
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Re: Avatar Airlines (formerly Family Airlines) start up tries again..

Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:10 pm

Veigar wrote:
enilria wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
27 years later and they are still trying...


Nevada based Avatar Airlines is back at the DOT door step seeking air carrier certificate to launch low cost 747 service.
Carrier says it seeks to initially link markets LAX, LAS, JFK and MIA using high density (581 seats mentioned) 747-400 aircraft. They eventually seek to grow 747 fleets including -8 variants and link additional large metro areas such as Chicago, Orlando, Dallas, San Francisco, Philadelphia, and Honolulu.

2019-0164-0001

=

Lets not forget the little detail that the founder has a checkered history including conviction for securities fraud.

Below link to proposed $300mil private placement prospectus
https://avatarairlines.com/wp-content/u ... 111819.pdf

Clearly a desire to operate US made aircraft is driving them away from the obvious A380 opportunity!


Can LAS and MIA handle A380 though?
Considering 2 airlines fly/flew a380s to MIA pretty good indicator it can handle them.

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Re: Avatar Airlines (formerly Family Airlines) start up tries again..

Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:20 pm

UPlog wrote:
Besides being a convicted felon, he also unsuccessfully for the U.S. Senate seat. Real con man..


Nah, a real con man would have won the Senate seat.
 
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Re: Avatar Airlines (formerly Family Airlines) start up tries again..

Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:51 pm

of all the impediments to my own success.... clearly my possession of conscience is foremost.
if I would just master the skill of putting of my own greed, ego and wants ahead of everyone and everything else.

i could augment his air service by launching a feeder airline with a fleet of Embraer ERJ-135LR arranged in 1+1 16pax shuttle config. it doesn't have to be economical. it just has to different enough to liberate a few souls of capital during 1 or 2 rounds of funding. i don't have to succeed in order to succeed... .wink... wink.... nudge.....nudge....

anyway, while we are toying around with the idea of sponsorships and fuselage wraps.. allow me to submit an example:RustEze Medicated Bumper Ointment

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This is the RustEze Racing Centre Wrap... does wonders for old Fillmore... think what it could do for an Avatar 747!


It will even work for Cargo planes.
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Re: Avatar Airlines (formerly Family Airlines) start up tries again..

Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:21 pm

On page 11 of the prospectus:

In order to increase aircraft utilization and decrease passenger loading time and with the cooperation of the airports served, Avatar intends to build its own passenger terminals.


This alone should make anyone with even the most basic knowledge of the industry run away. Where are they going to the space to build their own terminals? It's not like most of the airports they purportedly wan to serve have acres of open space. Oh, and there's that little matter of cost, etc.
 
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Re: Avatar Airlines (formerly Family Airlines) start up tries again..

Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:10 pm

They are like a bad chronic disease that keeps coming back. Someone is trying to make a buck out of this scam.
 
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Re: Avatar Airlines (formerly Family Airlines) start up tries again..

Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:29 pm

Hmmmm. . .

It would be interesting to see where one can find a 748i with a $6750/hr fuel cost...
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Re: Avatar Airlines (formerly Family Airlines) start up tries again..

Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:40 pm

Murdoughnut wrote:
UPlog wrote:
Besides being a convicted felon, he also unsuccessfully for the U.S. Senate seat. Real con man..


Nah, a real con man would have won the Senate seat.


Or the Presidency... ;-)
 
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Re: Avatar Airlines (formerly Family Airlines) start up tries again..

Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:50 pm

Acquiring B747-8 could be interesting.

Also wonder how many suitable B747-400 there are. Firstly, any cargo examples are presumably out, and secondly many are getting on in years.
 
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Re: Avatar Airlines (formerly Family Airlines) start up tries again..

Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:32 am

Are they tied into Jetlines in Canada’s?
 
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Re: Avatar Airlines (formerly Family Airlines) start up tries again..

Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:39 am

jimbo737 wrote:
Are they tied into Jetlines in Canada’s?

Avatar, Baltia and Jetlines have probably been around longer than most other airlines that actually fly planes.
 
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Re: Avatar Airlines (formerly Family Airlines) start up tries again..

Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:19 am

RWA380 wrote:
rnav2dlrey wrote:
Avatar will capture some of that revenue by selling ad space to help ensure that its ticket prices remain ultralow, even if Avatar’s expenses rise. Tempered only by FCC safety regulations and requirements, nothing will be sacred. Anything that you see or touch will be available for purchase. Management even envisions patrons using the restroom and being “greeted” by a named brand bathroom tissue company when they look inside the lid of the lavatory bowl. The outside of the aircraft may be adorned by e.g., Pepsi, Google or any other named brand on a massive aircraft “wrap.” Tray tables and overhead bins will be virtual billboards in the sky.


Avatar, may be the worst name & should say it all about the company. I understand this IS the way things are going, if you've flown NK they have advertising (or at least did) on the overhead bin lids. The 744 sure has a lot of exterior advertising space, only missed by the A-380, but some of these airports are not likely A-380 capable. If it means I can get name brand tissue, I'd still never fly them & bring my own. LOL! Not like any airline uses anything but 1 ply, chaffe master brand.


There’s a huge revenue opportunity-charge $1 extra for 2-ply and $2 extra for ultra 3-ply! :blockhead:

GripenFan wrote:
On page 11 of the prospectus:

In order to increase aircraft utilization and decrease passenger loading time and with the cooperation of the airports served, Avatar intends to build its own passenger terminals.


This alone should make anyone with even the most basic knowledge of the industry run away. Where are they going to the space to build their own terminals? It's not like most of the airports they purportedly wan to serve have acres of open space. Oh, and there's that little matter of cost, etc.


747s at a private terminal. Who does that remind me of. :scratchchin: Oh yeah Tower Air. :tombstone:
 
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Re: Avatar Airlines (formerly Family Airlines) start up tries again..

Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:33 pm

Ooh, maybe they can do a code share with the new Midwest Express out of MKE in their CRJs!
 
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Re: Avatar Airlines (formerly Family Airlines) start up tries again..

Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:17 pm

So... Tower Air 2.0?

RWA380 wrote:
I understand this IS the way things are going, if you've flown NK they have advertising (or at least did) on the overhead bin lids. The 744 sure has a lot of exterior advertising space, only missed by the A-380, but some of these airports are not likely A-380 capable.


Given that all of the inflight advertising attempts kind of fizzled out, I wonder if it’s even really worth it for the airlines.

Veigar wrote:
Can LAS and MIA handle A380 though?


MIA sees A380 service from Air France, British Airways, and Lufthansa, so I would certainly hope so.

GripenFan wrote:
On page 11 of the prospectus:

In order to increase aircraft utilization and decrease passenger loading time and with the cooperation of the airports served, Avatar intends to build its own passenger terminals.


This alone should make anyone with even the most basic knowledge of the industry run away. Where are they going to the space to build their own terminals? It's not like most of the airports they purportedly wan to serve have acres of open space. Oh, and there's that little matter of cost, etc.


Unless they meant “terminals” in the Tower Air terminal at JFK sense, which is to say a converted hangar.

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