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KLM to upgage Colombia services to 777-200ER

Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:29 am

As per Airline routes, KLM plans to operate Amsterdam – Bogota – Cartagena – Amsterdam routing with Boeing 777-200ER, instead of 787-9. This route is served 6 weekly. Change planned as of Oct 2020

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-17nov19/
 
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Re: KLM to upgage Colombia services to 777-200ER

Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:25 pm

Do you think they want to put the (relatively few) extra seats into the market, or is this more a matter of improving fleet utilization? KL doesn't have a lot of either 772s (15) or 789s (13).
 
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Re: KLM to upgage Colombia services to 777-200ER

Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:42 pm

Not sure if going to an older aircraft (their 772) is an improvement over their much newer 789. In any case, good luck to them of course :)

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Re: KLM to upgage Colombia services to 777-200ER

Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:35 pm

I recall that the triangle route was due to the 789 being restricted out of BOG, if so does the stopover ta CTG still make business sense?

There is really that much traffic to/from the Netherlands to Cartagena?
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Re: KLM to upgage Colombia services to 777-200ER

Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:02 pm

Air France is using their 789 out of BOG too but I'm guessing they are willing to take that payload hit out of BOG. Almost all aircraft are payload restricted out of BOG due to the airport's altitude. If an airline flies nonstop out of BOG that airline is probably willing to operate that route with payload restrictions.

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Re: KLM to upgage Colombia services to 777-200ER

Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:24 pm

upperdeckfan wrote:
I recall that the triangle route was due to the 789 being restricted out of BOG, if so does the stopover ta CTG still make business sense?

There is really that much traffic to/from the Netherlands to Cartagena?


Is the 772er better for cargo opps?

Flowers come to mind.
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Re: KLM to upgage Colombia services to 777-200ER

Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:19 am

KL used to fly the route with the 772ER before the introduction of the 789. When the route first started, it used to stop in Cali (CLO). KL carries a lot of cargo out of BOG, so any twin has to take a payload hit, which is why a stopover is necessary. I once took the KL 772 on the BOG-CLO-AMS route when coming to Europe. How many more seats does the 772 offer as compared to the 789?

The route was a mild success when it stopped in CLO. However, when they started stopping in CTG, not only did it shave off 1.5 hrs of travel time for pax originating in BOG, it opened CTG as a direct destination to a lot of european tourists. Plus, there is some CTG traffic to Europe which helps fill seats (CTG has a metro area of approx. 1.1m with some important industries and one of Colombia's leading ports). The BOG route has gradually grown from 3x weekly to 6x weekly over the 5 years it's relaunch. Should be daily by next year I would guess.
 
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Re: KLM to upgage Colombia services to 777-200ER

Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:43 am

upperdeckfan wrote:
I recall that the triangle route was due to the 789 being restricted out of BOG, if so does the stopover ta CTG still make business sense?

There is really that much traffic to/from the Netherlands to Cartagena?


There could be a lot of connections on this route perhaps. Geographic location of AMS is great for central/north and Eastern Europe connections. More of course but I’d hazard a guess and say that’s the key area for them to pull in connections from. If I’m not wrong CTG is also served from Madrid but perhaps the demand is such that you see Spain - CTG traffic going via AMS too for XYZ reasons.
 
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Re: KLM to upgage Colombia services to 777-200ER

Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:34 pm

RCS763AV wrote:
so any twin has to take a payload hit, which is why a stopover is necessary.


Even the 747 can't take off fully loaded from BOG. Cargolux refuels in BQN to be able to go to Europe from BOG fully loaded.

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Re: KLM to upgage Colombia services to 777-200ER

Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:10 pm

A388 wrote:
RCS763AV wrote:
so any twin has to take a payload hit, which is why a stopover is necessary.


Even the 747 can't take off fully loaded from BOG. Cargolux refuels in BQN to be able to go to Europe from BOG fully loaded.

A388


A B744F can't take off fully loaded, a pax quad can.

IB's A346 does and AV's B742's did it when they were flying to Europe
748,744,742,741,772,773,762,763,
764, 789, 732,733,735,737,738,739,
752, 722, 717,74M,DC10,DC9,M82,
M83, M87, M88,310,319,320,321,332,
333, 343, 346,359,388,L1011,CR2,
CR7, CR9,CRK, E175,E190,ATR42,
DSH8, CS1,CS3
 
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Re: KLM to upgage Colombia services to 777-200ER

Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:25 pm

upperdeckfan wrote:
IB's A346 does and AV's B742's did it when they were flying to Europe



But keep in mind that a flight to MAD is about 2 hours shorter than going all the way up north to AMS.

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