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DFW Foreign Carrier Estimated September 2019 Loads

Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:16 pm

Here are the estimated load factors for the foreign carriers at DFW for September 2019. Japan and Lufthansa in the 90% club, while everyone else starts to slow down a bit as summer comes to its end. Nothing alarming for anyone really, Volaris at 57 percent but just 26 flights anyway.

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Re: DFW Foreign Carrier Estimated September 2019 Loads

Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:34 pm

Surprised by BA with only 70% LF for September, even lower than new entrant AF and 22 points lower than LH. Sure, there is a lot of LHR capacity but they have massive connections on both ends.
 
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Re: DFW Foreign Carrier Estimated September 2019 Loads

Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:28 pm

LHUSA wrote:
Surprised by BA with only 70% LF for September, even lower than new entrant AF and 22 points lower than LH. Sure, there is a lot of LHR capacity but they have massive connections on both ends.


Weren’t there a ton of BA cancellations in September on the DFW route due to the pilot strike? I remember seeing the route cancelled often and the stats are using a daily flight frequency.
 
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Re: DFW Foreign Carrier Estimated September 2019 Loads

Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:12 am

Aah, you are right, I had forgotten about that. Good reminder... according to BA source there were 27 flights, including one apparent extra segment one day. Nine on the 226 seaters and 18 on the 219 seaters - so 5976 seats total. My apologies for the miss as I did these a bit quick and did indeed forget the Sept cancellations

78.76 % arriving
77.44 % departing
78.10 % total
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Re: DFW Foreign Carrier Estimated September 2019 Loads

Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:37 am

gdg9 wrote:
Aah, you are right, I had forgotten about that. Good reminder... according to BA source there were 27 flights, including one apparent extra segment one day. Nine on the 226 seaters and 18 on the 219 seaters - so 5976 seats total. My apologies for the miss as I did these a bit quick and did indeed forget the Sept cancellations

78.76 % arriving
77.44 % departing
78.10 % total


That’s still abysmal when both DFW and LHR are fortress OW hubs for two airlines with JV’s. Wayyyy too much capacity on the route.
 
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Re: DFW Foreign Carrier Estimated September 2019 Loads

Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:39 am

Do Volaris & Avianca love burning money or why do they stay at DFW with LF’s in the 50s & 60s??
 
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Re: DFW Foreign Carrier Estimated September 2019 Loads

Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:25 am

clrd4t8koff wrote:
Do Volaris & Avianca love burning money or why do they stay at DFW with LF’s in the 50s & 60s??


I’m betting it’s Volaris’ Durango flight that’s bringing the LFs down.

Avianca on the other hand upgauged earlier this year from a 96 seat E-190 to a 120 seat A319 and 150 seat A320 which is quite a lot of capacity. They however performed better over the summer. Unfortunately they never ordered a true replacement for the E-190 when it retired.
 
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Re: DFW Foreign Carrier Estimated September 2019 Loads

Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:06 pm

gdg9 wrote:
Aah, you are right, I had forgotten about that. Good reminder... according to BA source there were 27 flights, including one apparent extra segment one day. Nine on the 226 seaters and 18 on the 219 seaters - so 5976 seats total. My apologies for the miss as I did these a bit quick and did indeed forget the Sept cancellations

78.76 % arriving
77.44 % departing
78.10 % total


The extra segment was a diversion from Houston that subsequently operated from Dallas with the Houston passengers bussed up to DFW.
 
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Re: DFW Foreign Carrier Estimated September 2019 Loads

Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:53 pm

BA777FO wrote:

The extra segment was a diversion from Houston that subsequently operated from Dallas with the Houston passengers bussed up to DFW.


Interesting! I had assumed maybe it was a make up for some canceled flights prior.
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Re: DFW Foreign Carrier Estimated September 2019 Loads

Fri Nov 22, 2019 2:57 pm

I think September was the first month DFW surpassed IAH in international traffic. 757,796 for DFW (up 16.7% YOY) vs 756,134 for IAH (up 1.8% YOY).
 
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Re: DFW Foreign Carrier Estimated September 2019 Loads

Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:10 pm

EK’s outbound load factor is a bit surprising at 68%, even their inbound load factor at 80% is a bit surprising, I expected higher numbers from EK.
 
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Re: DFW Foreign Carrier Estimated September 2019 Loads

Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:47 pm

I updated the graphic on the link with the corrected BA figures. Again, apologies for the error.
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Re: DFW Foreign Carrier Estimated September 2019 Loads

Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:15 pm

I'm surprised that there are more passengers in this market from Canada as opposed to Mexico. In fact, Canada is the #1 country in terms of passengers carried-Canada rocks!
 
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Re: DFW Foreign Carrier Estimated September 2019 Loads

Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:28 pm

Skywatcher wrote:
I'm surprised that there are more passengers in this market from Canada as opposed to Mexico. In fact, Canada is the #1 country in terms of passengers carried-Canada rocks!

You also have to consider AA is not listed on this. I'm sure if you factored them in Mexico would beat Canada.
 
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Re: DFW Foreign Carrier Estimated September 2019 Loads

Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:28 pm

Brandon757 wrote:
Skywatcher wrote:
I'm surprised that there are more passengers in this market from Canada as opposed to Mexico. In fact, Canada is the #1 country in terms of passengers carried-Canada rocks!

You also have to consider AA and other US airlines is not listed on this. I'm sure if you factored them in Mexico would beat Canada.
 
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Re: DFW Foreign Carrier Estimated September 2019 Loads

Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:19 am

AA did add the DGO route this year maybe that's cutting into volaris. I wish there was a IAH - DGO route !! But I dont think the demand is there unfortunately
 
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Re: DFW Foreign Carrier Estimated September 2019 Loads

Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:54 am

jayunited wrote:
EK’s outbound load factor is a bit surprising at 68%, even their inbound load factor at 80% is a bit surprising, I expected higher numbers from EK.


I am surprised at EK’s relatively weak performance compared to QR. Is this oneworld connectivity/frequent flyer base benefitting QR?
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Re: DFW Foreign Carrier Estimated September 2019 Loads

Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:18 pm

So in order of total LF, we have:
Lufthansa 92%
JAL 91%
Qantas 86%
Qatar 82%
Korean 80%
British 80%
Air France 75%
Emirates 74%
(Intercontinental excluding South America)

So it seems that establishment is not the issue at DFW? JAL having only started in last year (nearly 2 years) and AF only March this year. Korean has always been around. EK began in 2012 before up-gauging to the 380 in 2014. LH being the long term resident and QR being a little newer began 2014 alternating 77L's and 77W's up to late 2016 until the latter half of this year upgrading to the 35K, QF being slightly older as a 2011 arrival with the 74ER (Which I will be on tomorrow) till 2014 when they were swapped out with 380's as they remain today. Interesting long-haul history DFW has, a lot smaller than most other airports of its size I should note as AA has such a large and dominating presence. Also worth noting that EY quit early this year as a result of the US3 boycotting any ME3 codesharing business and so consequently AA and EY parted ways as of March this year.

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