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Venezuela's Conviasa set to return to EZE

Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:26 pm

This week, Conviasa announced it will return to the CCS-EZE-CCS route. The flights are supposedly planned to begin in January, once its only A340-200 returns from heavy maintenance at Iran. Conviasa would become the second Venezuelan airline flying to Argentina, Estelar is the other (2x w, with aircraft wet leased from Hi Fly, ranging from the A380 to the A340 & A330). Predictably, the flights are full on the way to EZE and return to CCS pretty much empty.

Conviasa used to fly to EZE up to 2017 with the WAMOS 747s, but flights were suspended when WAMOS cancelled the contract due to lack of payment.

Barring any A340-200 in military/VIP role, this will be the only A340-200 in commercial service.

https://twitter.com/rvaraguayan/status/ ... 3340854272
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Re: Venezuela's Conviasa set to return to EZE

Mon Dec 30, 2019 7:35 pm

Via its preferred communication means (Twitter), Conviasa has said that the proposed date for the resumption of service to Buenos Aires EZE is Feb 6th. However, the airline offered no more details about the frequency and schedule for the flights, nor are the flights open for sale at the moment. The only information available in this regard is that a connection will be offered with Porlamar, Margarita Island, leaving Buenos Aires at 1:00 to arrive at that tourist destination at 10:50 via Caracas. The route is supposed to be operated by their only A340-200, which has been in Iran since last July.

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Re: Venezuela's Conviasa set to return to EZE

Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:24 am

YV1004 back at home ( via Damascus) after maintenance.
 
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Re: Venezuela's Conviasa set to return to EZE

Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:30 am

On my last trip to Buenos Aires, I was somewhat amazed that nearly every uber driver I had and many waiters were Venezuelan refugees. Its become the preferred escape for middle/upper-class citizens escaping the economic uncertainty and violence.

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Re: Venezuela's Conviasa set to return to EZE

Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:37 pm

EarlyLateORD wrote:
On my last trip to Buenos Aires, I was somewhat amazed that nearly every uber driver I had and many waiters were Venezuelan refugees.

And Panama City, Miami, Madrid, every Colombian city, Mexico City, Santiago, even Quito and Guayaquil, and probably Lima. It is millions of people who have left in search of a better life. With respect to the wealthy ones, they have had for many years properties and assets in Florida and elsewhere, and many of them have E.U. or U.S. passports anyway, so they can settle elsewhere fairly easily.
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Re: Venezuela's Conviasa set to return to EZE

Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:37 am

EarlyLateORD wrote:
On my last trip to Buenos Aires, I was somewhat amazed that nearly every uber driver I had and many waiters were Venezuelan refugees. Its become the preferred escape for middle/upper-class citizens escaping the economic uncertainty and violence.

Adam


Unfortunately, as of late many Venezuelans are showing up in the news for bad reasons -- crimes and robberies. Most I've met are well read, hard working and lovely people, but not only the good fellows have made their way south of the continent.
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Re: Venezuela's Conviasa set to return to EZE

Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:25 am

AtomicGarden wrote:
EarlyLateORD wrote:
On my last trip to Buenos Aires, I was somewhat amazed that nearly every uber driver I had and many waiters were Venezuelan refugees. Its become the preferred escape for middle/upper-class citizens escaping the economic uncertainty and violence.

Adam


Unfortunately, as of late many Venezuelans are showing up in the news for bad reasons -- crimes and robberies. Most I've met are well read, hard working and lovely people, but not only the good fellows have made their way south of the continent.


Very true, unfortunately. There is not much left to rob in Venezuela so some of the late arrivals (by land after a 1-2 weeks' long journey by bus!) have left a bit to be desired. And it is not just robberies: we are talking violent acts that end up in murder oftentimes. That is why countries like Peru and Ecuador now require visas for Venezuelan citizens.
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Re: Venezuela's Conviasa set to return to EZE

Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:09 am

Maybe edit the title. Conviasa wants to start DAM. Bruh.

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Re: Venezuela's Conviasa set to return to EZE

Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:29 pm

Rossiya747 wrote:
Maybe edit the title. Conviasa wants to start DAM. Bruh.

Source: https://worldairlinenews.com/2020/01/04 ... -in-march/


Why? These are two different routes: EZE on the one hand and DAM on the other. There is already a thread for the Damascus route: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1438351
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Re: Venezuela's Conviasa set to return to EZE

Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:54 pm

DAM is already on their website and bookable, but EZE isn't, does anyone know how to book it, or is it only bookable as some sort of package holiday from EZE to Margerita Island?
 
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Re: Venezuela's Conviasa set to return to EZE

Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:05 pm

opticalilyushin wrote:
DAM is already on their website and bookable, but EZE isn't, does anyone know how to book it, or is it only bookable as some sort of package holiday from EZE to Margerita Island?


I don't believe it has been loaded yet (flights are supposed to start exactly a month from today). The airline was tweeting about Margarita as a connection via CCS, no mention of any packages with any tour operator. Their only A340-200 made it back to Caracas late last week, after being overhauled in Iran.

Estelar Latinoamericana continues to be thus far the only airline on the route.
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Re: Venezuela's Conviasa set to return to EZE

Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:29 pm

This is typical of Conviasa.
Damascus, which has barely been announced, is already available for booking (starting March).
Ezeiza, which has been announced with drums and saucers, and starts by February the 6th (in less than a month), is not available for bookings.
Wonder how they will load the first flights which such a poor commercial logic.
By the way, being EZE a zillion times more lucrative, attractive route, with all that Buenos Aires has to offer and the amount of Venezuelans there.
 
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Re: Venezuela's Conviasa set to return to EZE

Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:28 pm

In case someone was left wondering: Feb 6th came and went and Conviasa never landed in Argentina. A bit of smoke and mirrors of the chavista kind.
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Re: Venezuela's Conviasa set to return to EZE

Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:45 am

dcajet wrote:
Via its preferred communication means (Twitter), Conviasa has said that the proposed date for the resumption of service to Buenos Aires EZE is Feb 6th. However, the airline offered no more details about the frequency and schedule for the flights, nor are the flights open for sale at the moment. The only information available in this regard is that a connection will be offered with Porlamar, Margarita Island, leaving Buenos Aires at 1:00 to arrive at that tourist destination at 10:50 via Caracas. The route is supposed to be operated by their only A340-200, which has been in Iran since last July.

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That looks like a weird routing as they propose. Has Brazil closed their airspace or something?
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Re: Venezuela's Conviasa set to return to EZE

Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:49 am

dcajet wrote:
In case someone was left wondering: Feb 6th came and went and Conviasa never landed in Argentina. A bit of smoke and mirrors of the chavista kind.


CONVIASA is blacklisted by the U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) and can't do (legally) international operations anymore...

https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm903
 
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Re: Venezuela's Conviasa set to return to EZE

Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:10 pm

LTU932 wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Via its preferred communication means (Twitter), Conviasa has said that the proposed date for the resumption of service to Buenos Aires EZE is Feb 6th. However, the airline offered no more details about the frequency and schedule for the flights, nor are the flights open for sale at the moment. The only information available in this regard is that a connection will be offered with Porlamar, Margarita Island, leaving Buenos Aires at 1:00 to arrive at that tourist destination at 10:50 via Caracas. The route is supposed to be operated by their only A340-200, which has been in Iran since last July.

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That looks like a weird routing as they propose. Has Brazil closed their airspace or something?


That would not be the actual route. It was just a promotional image for an upcoming route that did not happen, as it turns out.

debonair wrote:
dcajet wrote:
In case someone was left wondering: Feb 6th came and went and Conviasa never landed in Argentina. A bit of smoke and mirrors of the chavista kind.


CONVIASA is blacklisted by the U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) and can't do (legally) international operations anymore...

https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm903


They can't now and as of last week, when the new sanctions were announced. V0 had announced the route back in December but it was always contingent on their sole A342 returning from Iran where it was being overhauled, allegedly. The plane did come back but the route was never loaded on the distribution systems. In the meantime, the Damascus route was announced so it must be a matter of their own priorities. In any case, the Venezuelan diaspora in Argentina already has 2 flights a week on another Venezuelan airline, Estelar, using aircraft wet leased from Hi Fly.
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Re: Venezuela's Conviasa set to return to EZE

Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:28 pm

debonair wrote:
dcajet wrote:
In case someone was left wondering: Feb 6th came and went and Conviasa never landed in Argentina. A bit of smoke and mirrors of the chavista kind.


CONVIASA is blacklisted by the U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) and can't do (legally) international operations anymore...

https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm903
Under those sanctions, shouldn't other FIRs close their airspace to V0 to comply with that? If so, how do they pretend to operate DAM, especially if part of the route over the Atlantic is monitored by a US based ATC such as New York Oceanic? And even if they avoid US airspace, how are they gonna cross the Atlantic at all, even if there are "friendly" countries allowing them overflight in defiance of US sanctions?
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Re: Venezuela's Conviasa set to return to EZE

Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:06 pm

As long as Conviasa don't touch US airspace, any US citizen or any US-based company, why is flying to Argentina or Syria impossible under US OFAC sanctions ? I realise that much of the aviation industry is US$ based when it comes to money, but why can't Conviasa pay its bills in (for example) Brazilian reais or euros ? If the people in Brasilia get their money for navigation / ATC services, and an Argentinian company at EZE airport gets its money for fuel, then presumably everyone is happy...

Cubana and Iran Air have managed to get around US sanctions for decades...
 
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Re: Venezuela's Conviasa set to return to EZE

Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:37 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
As long as Conviasa don't touch US airspace, any US citizen or any US-based company, why is flying to Argentina or Syria impossible under US OFAC sanctions ? I realise that much of the aviation industry is US$ based when it comes to money, but why can't Conviasa pay its bills in (for example) Brazilian reais or euros ? If the people in Brasilia get their money for navigation / ATC services, and an Argentinian company at EZE airport gets its money for fuel, then presumably everyone is happy...

Cubana and Iran Air have managed to get around US sanctions for decades...


From the OFAC page:

OFAC’s regulations generally prohibit all transactions by U.S. persons or within (or transiting) the United States that involve any property or interests in property of blocked persons.


So flying to Argentina or Syria should not be affected, presumably.
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