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News and updates on tel aviv aviation
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Re: Tel aviv aviation thread

Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:58 pm

Anyone know how advanced books are going on LY’s new TLV-ORD service?
Living in LA, ORD/MDW will always be home!
 
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Sat Nov 23, 2019 8:09 pm

Booking for AA DFW-TLV begins in a few days. AA will operate the route 3× weekly on 789s.
UA to switch rout 84/85 from 78x to 773
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Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:36 pm

I hear Air India is beginning BOM-TLV now. Is this true? Why is Israel and India so close? I had a Israeli person on a flight to Brasil and he says to me that he feels welcome in India. What is the connection?
 
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Re: Tel aviv aviation thread

Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:38 pm

fidelidade wrote:
I hear Air India is beginning BOM-TLV now. Is this true? Why is Israel and India so close? I had a Israeli person on a flight to Brasil and he says to me that he feels welcome in India. What is the connection?

Very simple.India and Israel have neighbouring Muslim countries who would be very happy if those two countries did not exist.
 
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Re: Tel aviv aviation thread

Sat Nov 23, 2019 11:16 pm

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I hear Air India is beginning BOM-TLV now. Is this true? Why is Israel and India so close? I had a Israeli person on a flight to Brasil and he says to me that he feels welcome in India. What is the connection?


I have not heard this but if true then it would crush EL AL’s route to BOM as Air India’s permission to overfly the KSA would make its flight distance from TLV to BOM about 40% shorter than the distance EL AL’s planes have to fly.
 
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Re: Tel aviv aviation thread

Sat Nov 23, 2019 11:58 pm

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Booking for AA DFW-TLV begins in a few days. AA will operate the route 3× weekly on 789s.
UA to switch rout 84/85 from 78x to 773


It’s been available for booking for about a month.
 
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Re: Tel aviv aviation thread

Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:55 am

fidelidade wrote:
I hear Air India is beginning BOM-TLV now. Is this true? Why is Israel and India so close? I had a Israeli person on a flight to Brasil and he says to me that he feels welcome in India. What is the connection?

I think there were plans to open the route but LY lobbied against them because as mentioned it would crush LY's competition.
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Re: Tel aviv aviation thread

Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:17 pm

Does anyone think LY will start a new US route at some point and if so to where?
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Re: Tel aviv aviation thread

Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:44 pm

A good summary of some recent interesting international route development out of TLV is summarized in https://www.airlinestoisrael.com/
 
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Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:09 pm

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Does anyone think LY will start a new US route at some point and if so to where?

I think LY already flies to most places in the market. The only city I can think of would be PHL since it doesn't seem like AA will revive the PHL-TLV route.
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Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:41 am

8parktoollover wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
Does anyone think LY will start a new US route at some point and if so to where?

I think LY already flies to most places in the market. The only city I can think of would be PHL since it doesn't seem like AA will revive the PHL-TLV route.


I was kind of thinking the same thing for PHL on a 788 but idk if they view PHL as a easy ride to New York like most international airlines do it seems. I read that if DFW-TLV route works out that they might expand to starting MIA, PHL, and JFK routes but this is all y’all for now.
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Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:42 am

What about LY TLV-SYD?
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Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:05 am

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What about LY TLV-SYD?


I don't think there is a plane that can fly the route and still make money for LY, don't forget that they can't overfly most of the Arab countries which adds quite a bit to the flight time.
 
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Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:15 am

Blerg wrote:
8parktoollover wrote:
What about LY TLV-SYD?


I don't think there is a plane that can fly the route and still make money for LY, don't forget that they can't overfly most of the Arab countries which adds quite a bit to the flight time.

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Re: Tel aviv aviation thread

Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:42 pm

Arkia to cut at least 50 employees and cut back on salaries. The new routes to COK and GOI (operated by the new A321neoLR) will also stop operating next march and might not be resumed.

https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340, ... 42,00.html
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Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:08 pm

AA increases DFW-TLV to daily from October 25, 2020.
 
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Re: Tel aviv aviation thread

Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:15 pm

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I hear Air India is beginning BOM-TLV now. Is this true? Why is Israel and India so close? I had a Israeli person on a flight to Brasil and he says to me that he feels welcome in India. What is the connection?


Take a look at tech(bio, computer) industry centers and you will see that India and Israel have a lot of companies with interests in both markets. There are also a lot of Tourism between the two. As mentioned before there are some defensive ties as well, with cross training and supplies in military aid.
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Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:22 pm

Blerg wrote:
I don't think there is a plane that can fly the route and still make money for LY, don't forget that they can't overfly most of the Arab countries which adds quite a bit to the flight time.

DRW and PER on the 788 come to mind...although sustainable demand at both may not be there..... :airplane: .....



.....and LY would have to perform some nimble skirting around prohibited airspace.....


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Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:38 pm

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It is not perfect but probably something like this:

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=TLV-JIB-PER/DRW/MEL/SYD&DU=nm

but avoiding the Saudi air space. Will add another 50-100 odd nm to the total flying down the red sea.
 
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Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:30 pm

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Re: Tel aviv aviation thread

Thu Nov 28, 2019 3:23 am

El Al agrees to lease another 3 737-800's, one to arrive in December and the other 2 in April 2020

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Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:01 pm

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fidelidade wrote:
I hear Air India is beginning BOM-TLV now. Is this true? Why is Israel and India so close? I had a Israeli person on a flight to Brasil and he says to me that he feels welcome in India. What is the connection?


Take a look at tech(bio, computer) industry centers and you will see that India and Israel have a lot of companies with interests in both markets. There are also a lot of Tourism between the two. As mentioned before there are some defensive ties as well, with cross training and supplies in military aid.

Neither of them also particularly like Pakistan. :D
 
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Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:55 pm

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Does anyone think LY will start a new US route at some point and if so to where?



As others said, I think the Isreal-US market is pretty saturated.
Although, I think a TLV-IAH flight seems feasible, like 3x a week.
 
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Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:59 pm

8parktoollover wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
Does anyone think LY will start a new US route at some point and if so to where?

I think LY already flies to most places in the market. The only city I can think of would be PHL since it doesn't seem like AA will revive the PHL-TLV route.


There is absolutely no local market. It’s less than 10k passengers a year.
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Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:26 am

On passportnews.co.il there is clip of a party celebrating 1 year for the LATAM SCL-GRU-TLV flights, in which the local representative said following the line's success they want to request the route increasing from 3x weekly to daily from the authorities (I assume Israeli authorities).
Do LATAM have even enough 788s for a daily route? If they don't would it make sense to UPG that route to 4-5x weekly 789?

Does anyone have more info on this? I flew that route in April and having a nonstop between TLV and GRU again was amazing and the flights were fully both ways!
 
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Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:35 am

I think the Boston route is supposed to switch from 777 to 787 at some point in 2020, but from the schedules I can’t find out when. Also, I believe it’s supposed to be the 789 although I saw someone comment elsewhere it would be a 788.
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Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:56 pm

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So it's technically doable. What remains is the financial sustainability of regular commercial service many days apart..... :crackup: .....

https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-a ... 1001308764

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The route needs to be tested, first of all because it involves flights lasting up to eighteen hours, about three hours longer than the longest flight that El Al currently operates, on the Tel Aviv-Los Angeles route. The precise flight times are sixteen hours and forty-five minutes for the outbound flight, and seventeen hours and forty-five minutes for the return flight to Israel.

Secondly, beyond the ability of passengers to tolerate such a long direct flight, El Al will have to examine the economic viability of the service, the costs of which will include a double aircrew, and having an aircraft unused on the ground for several days between flights. Above all will be the price test."



I imagine A.nutters would spring for those trial tickets. :cheerful:
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Re: Tel aviv aviation thread

Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:41 pm

8parktoollover wrote:
fidelidade wrote:
I hear Air India is beginning BOM-TLV now. Is this true? Why is Israel and India so close? I had a Israeli person on a flight to Brasil and he says to me that he feels welcome in India. What is the connection?

I think there were plans to open the route but LY lobbied against them because as mentioned it would crush LY's competition.


If LY can't handle Air India, what happens when Indigo finally gets their hands on their many A321XLRs and decide that TLV may be a good route to use them on?
 
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Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:00 pm

JustSomeDood wrote:
8parktoollover wrote:
fidelidade wrote:
I hear Air India is beginning BOM-TLV now. Is this true? Why is Israel and India so close? I had a Israeli person on a flight to Brasil and he says to me that he feels welcome in India. What is the connection?

I think there were plans to open the route but LY lobbied against them because as mentioned it would crush LY's competition.


If LY can't handle Air India, what happens when Indigo finally gets their hands on their many A321XLRs and decide that TLV may be a good route to use them on?


It is somewhat of a mis-characterization to say that EL AL "can’t handle" Air India. I am sure if they were competing on level grounds EL AL could easily "handle" Air India. When outside factors give Air India a 40% shorter flying distance between BOM and TLV, it puts EL AL at a huge disadvantage - one which no matter what EL AL does they won’t be able to overcome.
 
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Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:03 pm

For those who can read Hebrew, the Israeli civil aviation authority does a very detailed study of the Aviation market to and from Israel every year. Here is the link to the 2018 report:

https://caa.gov.il/index.php?option=com ... 69&lang=he
 
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Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:44 pm

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Booking for AA DFW-TLV begins in a few days. AA will operate the route 3× weekly on 789s.
UA to switch rout 84/85 from 78x to 773


AA now plans daily service starting with W20. But United is still the king on USA to Israel because of LY having smaller equipment now. UA needs the B77W for cargo...and also so that there are only 777 crews in TLV.
 
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LY has finalized planes for experimental flight between TLV-MEL. In 2020
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CAL cargo airlines has just requested a permit for passenger operations
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CAL flying passengers?!
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CAL stands for Cargo Air Lines, so no.
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Thu May 28, 2020 6:11 pm

Wizz Air have announced a new daily flight between Milan Malpensa (MXP) and Tel Aviv (TLV) from 17 July 2020
 
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Thu May 28, 2020 8:13 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
8parktoollover wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
Does anyone think LY will start a new US route at some point and if so to where?

I think LY already flies to most places in the market. The only city I can think of would be PHL since it doesn't seem like AA will revive the PHL-TLV route.


There is absolutely no local market. It’s less than 10k passengers a year.


It’s actually around 78,000 pax a year...
 
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Fri May 29, 2020 12:18 am

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MAH4546 wrote:
8parktoollover wrote:
I think LY already flies to most places in the market. The only city I can think of would be PHL since it doesn't seem like AA will revive the PHL-TLV route.


There is absolutely no local market. It’s less than 10k passengers a year.


It’s actually around 78,000 pax a year...


No, it is nowhere near that. When AA flew the route, the number of people that actually travelled between the two cities might have been 78k (including people that made onward connections in PHL or TLV), but the local market is tiny and less than 10k. There's a reason why AA chose DFW over PHL when coming back to Israel.
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Fri May 29, 2020 2:37 am

MAH4546 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

There is absolutely no local market. It’s less than 10k passengers a year.


It’s actually around 78,000 pax a year...


No, it is nowhere near that. When AA flew the route, the number of people that actually travelled between the two cities might have been 78k (including people that made onward connections in PHL or TLV), but the local market is tiny and less than 10k. There's a reason why AA chose DFW over PHL when coming back to Israel.


I would be surprised if DFW-TLV actually launches at this time with COVID-19 and AA's precarious financial situation.
 
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MAH4546 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:

It’s actually around 78,000 pax a year...


No, it is nowhere near that. When AA flew the route, the number of people that actually travelled between the two cities might have been 78k (including people that made onward connections in PHL or TLV), but the local market is tiny and less than 10k. There's a reason why AA chose DFW over PHL when coming back to Israel.


I would be surprised if DFW-TLV actually launches at this time with COVID-19 and AA's precarious financial situation.


Except DFW-TLV has been pushed back to September 2021? So they’re not launching it any time soon.

Also, wasn’t there an incentives package that made AA choose DFW instead of another hub?
 
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Ishrion wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

No, it is nowhere near that. When AA flew the route, the number of people that actually travelled between the two cities might have been 78k (including people that made onward connections in PHL or TLV), but the local market is tiny and less than 10k. There's a reason why AA chose DFW over PHL when coming back to Israel.


I would be surprised if DFW-TLV actually launches at this time with COVID-19 and AA's precarious financial situation.


Except DFW-TLV has been pushed back to September 2021? So they’re not launching it any time soon.

Also, wasn’t there an incentives package that made AA choose DFW instead of another hub?


AA could be in (US version of administration) Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection by then. That said, could LY consider that route, 3 times weekly? (This is also why LY should considering leasing 4 B78X frames for JFK only---as the B789 isn't enough plane for JFK and there is a market for DFW.)
 
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Fri May 29, 2020 6:33 am

DFW-TLV is unlikely to be a large enough O&D market on its own. If this route works, it will need a sizeable number of connecting pax. Either LY goes big on codesharing with AA, or the route should be left to AA. After a Chicago relaunch, I think LY should concentrate on upping frequencies to the USA instead of increasing destination count. If LY really must go for a new destination in the USA, then I'd suggest Washington instead of Dallas
 
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Re: Tel Aviv aviation thread

Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:17 am

EL AL has applied to operate six weekly flights between Tel Aviv and Belgrade in November and December. Flights are subject to government approval. Currently both Israir and Arkia operate flights, the former 6 times per week while the latter 2.
Serbia is one of the few countries where Israelis can travel without restrictions so demand is booming right now. Several hotels in Belgrade were reopened once Israir started flying.

Proposed schedule:

TLV-BEG 12.00-14.15
BEG-TLV 15.30-19.25

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