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First SQ 737 MAX roll out

Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:57 pm

The first SQ 737 MAX was spotted yesterday. It’s been almost 45 years since a 737 graced SQ’s timeless livery. Can’t wait to see it in full colors!

Link to the photographer: https://mobile.twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/status/1198434296354050049

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Re: First SQ 737 MAX roll out

Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:11 pm

I guess I dozed off during the last staff meeting,
but how many Max's does SQ have on order?
 
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Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:16 pm

I've not been aware of any SQ MAX orders and don't see it documented anywhere. This is super-interesting, can anyone shed more light?
 
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Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:19 pm

ACCS300 wrote:
I've not been aware of any SQ MAX orders and don't see it documented anywhere. This is super-interesting, can anyone shed more light?


The planes were ordered by Silkair which is, so I’ve been told, being integrated into SQ.

I’m sadly old enough to have seen SQ 737-200s. :old:
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Re: First SQ 737 MAX roll out

Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:20 pm

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I've not been aware of any SQ MAX orders and don't see it documented anywhere. This is super-interesting, can anyone shed more light?


Because Silk Air ( SQ’s Regional wing) is being merged into SQ.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/silkair-to-be-merged-with-singapore-airlines-after-cabin-revamp-10245300
 
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Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:20 pm

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I've not been aware of any SQ MAX orders and don't see it documented anywhere. This is super-interesting, can anyone shed more light?

Silk Air. They are merging into Singapore Airlines.
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Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:22 pm

Ah thanks!! Forgot about the Silk Air integration,
 
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Have not seen SQ's logo on a narrowbody since their 4 757s! I have already forgotten what it looks like on a narrowbody!
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Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:28 pm

The beginning of the end... or a new beginning? Who knows. .? But this sure feels like earthquake territory to me - I am not trying to be dramatic But neither am I optimisitic about the latest decision to desolve Silkair and move it into SQ. Why was this necessary? SQ is 100% about top brand. This aircraft doesn't deliver the goods - so duely wating for expected fallout. Silkair was a quality niche brand that was built from the roots and nicely separate from SQ. The airline has had a loyal following. And a diverse network. Consistent quality albeit inferior service to boot. So SQ are going to have to be very careful about this transition. Just not overly confident they can pull this one off. It starts with the hard product and it's hard to see how this can measure up with the SQ level of attentiveness that works on long haul but not on regional flights. I am looking on with keen eyes. Await further evelopments and announcements..
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Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:47 pm

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I’m sadly old enough to have seen SQ 737-200s. :old:

And if you stick around a few more years you're likely to see 737s back in BA livery too! :biggrin:
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Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:55 pm

Revelation wrote:
scbriml wrote:
I’m sadly old enough to have seen SQ 737-200s. :old:

And if you stick around a few more years you're likely to see 737s back in BA livery too! :biggrin:

I literally lol so loud reading your comment. Haha! Return of the old. Old is gold....SQ and BA livery on B737...that's something!
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Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:59 pm

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The beginning of the end... or a new beginning? Who knows. .? But this sure feels like earthquake territory to me - I am not trying to be dramatic But neither am I optimisitic about the latest decision to desolve Silkair and move it into SQ. Why was this necessary? SQ is 100% about top brand. This aircraft doesn't deliver the goods - so duely wating for expected fallout. Silkair was a quality niche brand that was built from the roots and nicely separate from SQ. The airline has had a loyal following. And a diverse network. Consistent quality albeit inferior service to boot. So SQ are going to have to be very careful about this transition. Just not overly confident they can pull this one off. It starts with the hard product and it's hard to see how this can measure up with the SQ level of attentiveness that works on long haul but not on regional flights. I am looking on with keen eyes. Await further evelopments and announcements..

This may very well be the most melodramatic post in A.net history..............



juliuswong wrote:
Revelation wrote:
scbriml wrote:
I’m sadly old enough to have seen SQ 737-200s.

And if you stick around a few more years you're likely to see 737s back in BA livery too!

I literally lol so loud reading your comment. Haha! Return of the old.

No need to wait, you can do that today:
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Re: First SQ 737 MAX roll out

Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:00 pm

juliuswong wrote:
Revelation wrote:
scbriml wrote:
I’m sadly old enough to have seen SQ 737-200s. :old:

And if you stick around a few more years you're likely to see 737s back in BA livery too! :biggrin:

I literally lol so loud reading your comment. Haha! Return of the old. Old is gold....SQ and BA livery on B737...that's something!


Though thanks to BA franchise-partner Comair, BA-liveried 737s have never gone away - they even have a 734 that was new to BA.
 
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Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:11 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
No need to wait, you can do that today:
The 737s in Africa may be opped by Comair, but they're still "737s in BA livery"

Andy33 wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
Revelation wrote:
And if you stick around a few more years you're likely to see 737s back in BA livery too! :biggrin:

I literally lol so loud reading your comment. Haha! Return of the old. Old is gold....SQ and BA livery on B737...that's something!

Though thanks to BA franchise-partner Comair, BA-liveried 737s have never gone away - they even have a 734 that was new to BA.

Ahh you are all correct. I have never traveled to Africa, but do remember the early St Helena flight test with Comair 738 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Helena_Airport ), that was a very interesting sight.

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Now, back to SQ's 737s! :biggrin:
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Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:16 pm

Their B727s in BA scheme were great too
 
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Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:36 pm

So cute!

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Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:55 pm

737 in SQ livery is not a good Idea its already bad with the 787 with 9 abreast.
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Re: First SQ 737 MAX roll out

Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:00 pm

scbriml wrote:
ACCS300 wrote:
I've not been aware of any SQ MAX orders and don't see it documented anywhere. This is super-interesting, can anyone shed more light?


The planes were ordered by Silkair which is, so I’ve been told, being integrated into SQ.

I’m sadly old enough to have seen SQ 737-200s. :old:


Singapore Airlines was one of the few airlines that operated the 737-100 as well. It's not sad at all that we were lucky enough to live through one of the most amazing times in commercial aviation history. I myself feel blessed.
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Re: First SQ 737 MAX roll out

Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:22 pm

fessor wrote:
its already bad with the 787 with 9 abreast.

Is there actually an objective standard to quantify that, or is that just you asserting opinion as if it were fact?


....ya know, like this:
fessor wrote:
SQ is Going away from premium

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Re: First SQ 737 MAX roll out

Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:43 pm

klm617 wrote:
scbriml wrote:
ACCS300 wrote:
I've not been aware of any SQ MAX orders and don't see it documented anywhere. This is super-interesting, can anyone shed more light?


The planes were ordered by Silkair which is, so I’ve been told, being integrated into SQ.

I’m sadly old enough to have seen SQ 737-200s. :old:


Singapore Airlines was one of the few airlines that operated the 737-100 as well. It's not sad at all that we were lucky enough to live through one of the most amazing times in commercial aviation history. I myself feel blessed.


Correct. Singapore ordered the 100 and I don't think they ordered any 200s unlike other airlines, and they were the only airline, with Lufthansa to order the original 100 brand new from Boeing. I believe that only 30 of the 100 Series were built, with only Lufthansa and Singapore buying those. The ones People Express flew came from Lufthansa. Would the 737 have existed if Lufthansa didn't want it? I don't think so.

Anyway, back to the main subject of this topic, I never heard either of Singapore ordering the MAX. Yes Silk Air that would have surprised me, but a MAX delivered in the Singapore livery I would have never thought of that.
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Correct. Singapore ordered the 100 and I don't think they ordered any 200s unlike other airlines


Yes, my bad, they were -100s. Oh dear, now I feel even older! :old: :old:
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Re: First SQ 737 MAX roll out

Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:00 pm

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The beginning of the end... or a new beginning? Who knows. .? But this sure feels like earthquake territory to me - I am not trying to be dramatic But neither am I optimisitic about the latest decision to desolve Silkair and move it into SQ. Why was this necessary? SQ is 100% about top brand. This aircraft doesn't deliver the goods - so duely wating for expected fallout. Silkair was a quality niche brand that was built from the roots and nicely separate from SQ.


There hasn't been separation between SilkAir and Singapore Airlines since the days of Tradewinds. They were one and the same. Same management, Silk Air crew came from SQ and are SQ employees, same frequent flier program, Silk Air schedules were determined by SQ, same level of service, etc, etc, etc. The only difference was that the aircraft were painted in different colors. Keeping the 2 brands was an expensive charade for the sole purpose of being able to claim the title of "all widebody airline". That is why they decided to "merge" the 2 brands. Once the flying public in Southeat Asia became accustomed to flying narrowbodies, it made zero sense to continue the charade.
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Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:00 pm

American 767 wrote:
klm617 wrote:
scbriml wrote:

The planes were ordered by Silkair which is, so I’ve been told, being integrated into SQ.

I’m sadly old enough to have seen SQ 737-200s. :old:


Singapore Airlines was one of the few airlines that operated the 737-100 as well. It's not sad at all that we were lucky enough to live through one of the most amazing times in commercial aviation history. I myself feel blessed.


Correct. Singapore ordered the 100 and I don't think they ordered any 200s unlike other airlines, and they were the only airline, with Lufthansa to order the original 100 brand new from Boeing. I believe that only 30 of the 100 Series were built, with only Lufthansa and Singapore buying those. The ones People Express flew came from Lufthansa. Would the 737 have existed if Lufthansa didn't want it? I don't think so.

Anyway, back to the main subject of this topic, I never heard either of Singapore ordering the MAX. Yes Silk Air that would have surprised me, but a MAX delivered in the Singapore livery I would have never thought of that.



Avianca also ordered the 737-100. SQ, AV and LH were the only original customers fore the 100. The Singapore 100s were actually ordered by MSA and were transferred to SQ when the airline was split.
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Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:12 pm

juliuswong wrote:
Revelation wrote:
scbriml wrote:
I’m sadly old enough to have seen SQ 737-200s. :old:

And if you stick around a few more years you're likely to see 737s back in BA livery too! :biggrin:

I literally lol so loud reading your comment. Haha! Return of the old. Old is gold....SQ and BA livery on B737...that's something!

Yup, it shows the quantum leaps in aviation are stuck in a rut as we continue to churn out 737s.
 
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Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:15 pm

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Once the flying public in Southeat Asia became accustomed to flying narrowbodies, it made zero sense to continue the charade.


Was this a real issue? I haven’t heard this although I’ve been on several short haul, wide-body flights within Southeast Asia.
 
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American 767 wrote:
klm617 wrote:
scbriml wrote:

The planes were ordered by Silkair which is, so I’ve been told, being integrated into SQ.

I’m sadly old enough to have seen SQ 737-200s. :old:


Singapore Airlines was one of the few airlines that operated the 737-100 as well. It's not sad at all that we were lucky enough to live through one of the most amazing times in commercial aviation history. I myself feel blessed.


Correct. Singapore ordered the 100 and I don't think they ordered any 200s unlike other airlines, and they were the only airline, with Lufthansa to order the original 100 brand new from Boeing. I believe that only 30 of the 100 Series were built, with only Lufthansa and Singapore buying those. The ones People Express flew came from Lufthansa. Would the 737 have existed if Lufthansa didn't want it? I don't think so.

Anyway, back to the main subject of this topic, I never heard either of Singapore ordering the MAX. Yes Silk Air that would have surprised me, but a MAX delivered in the Singapore livery I would have never thought of that.


America West (AKA AA) also operated 8 of them.
 
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Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:16 pm

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American 767 wrote:
Correct. Singapore ordered the 100 and I don't think they ordered any 200s unlike other airlines


Yes, my bad, they were -100s. Oh dear, now I feel even older! :old: :old:


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Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:27 am

skipness1E wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
Revelation wrote:
And if you stick around a few more years you're likely to see 737s back in BA livery too! :biggrin:

I literally lol so loud reading your comment. Haha! Return of the old. Old is gold....SQ and BA livery on B737...that's something!

Yup, it shows the quantum leaps in aviation are stuck in a rut as we continue to churn out 737s.


Thats what happens when you have two publicly listed companies in a duopoly, they stick to their cash cows.
 
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Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:42 am

Greetings Scbrimi, do not feel too bad,I'am old enough to remember flying in the "old" 100.
As I recall they were a bit of a rocket at the time.
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Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:50 am

NZ321 wrote:
The beginning of the end... or a new beginning? Who knows. .? But this sure feels like earthquake territory to me - I am not trying to be dramatic But neither am I optimisitic about the latest decision to desolve Silkair and move it into SQ. Why was this necessary? SQ is 100% about top brand. This aircraft doesn't deliver the goods - so duely wating for expected fallout. Silkair was a quality niche brand that was built from the roots and nicely separate from SQ. The airline has had a loyal following. And a diverse network. Consistent quality albeit inferior service to boot. So SQ are going to have to be very careful about this transition. Just not overly confident they can pull this one off. It starts with the hard product and it's hard to see how this can measure up with the SQ level of attentiveness that works on long haul but not on regional flights. I am looking on with keen eyes. Await further evelopments and announcements..


MI crew will be integrated into SQ.
SQ regional service style will apply here like any SQ regional flights.
SQ crew will be rated on this fleet.
It won’t be much of a difference from SQ service.
Can’t be said about the seats as these will be lie flat but not the same as SQ new regional.
 
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airbazar wrote:
Once the flying public in Southeat Asia became accustomed to flying narrowbodies, it made zero sense to continue the charade.


Was this a real issue? I haven’t heard this although I’ve been on several short haul, wide-body flights within Southeast Asia.


Yes. Before the appearance of the LCC in Asia there was this misguided notion that narrowbodies were inferior to widebodies and SQ loved to trumpet the fact that they were an all widebody airline.. That is basically the reason why SQ chose to run Silk Air as a different brand. But under the covers, o rin this case the paint there were always one airline.
 
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NZ321 wrote:
The beginning of the end... or a new beginning? Who knows. .? But this sure feels like earthquake territory to me - I am not trying to be dramatic But neither am I optimisitic about the latest decision to desolve Silkair and move it into SQ. Why was this necessary? SQ is 100% about top brand. This aircraft doesn't deliver the goods - so duely wating for expected fallout. Silkair was a quality niche brand that was built from the roots and nicely separate from SQ. The airline has had a loyal following. And a diverse network. Consistent quality albeit inferior service to boot. So SQ are going to have to be very careful about this transition. Just not overly confident they can pull this one off. It starts with the hard product and it's hard to see how this can measure up with the SQ level of attentiveness that works on long haul but not on regional flights. I am looking on with keen eyes. Await further evelopments and announcements..


MI crew will be integrated into SQ.
SQ regional service style will apply here like any SQ regional flights.
SQ crew will be rated on this fleet.
It won’t be much of a difference from SQ service.
Can’t be said about the seats as these will be lie flat but not the same as SQ new regional.


So the crew will adopt the SQ uniform? Will there be one crew group? Or long haul/short haul? Be an interesting lifestyle shift potentially for both crew groups - LHR/NYC one trip - CBU milk run the next!
 
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Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:40 am

questions wrote:
airbazar wrote:
Once the flying public in Southeat Asia became accustomed to flying narrowbodies, it made zero sense to continue the charade.


Was this a real issue? I haven’t heard this although I’ve been on several short haul, wide-body flights within Southeast Asia.


Sad but true. We basically don't have regional jet in Southeast Asia (or even the Asia) so NB is cosidered a SMALL PLANE in many people's mind.
 
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Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:53 am

American 767 wrote:
klm617 wrote:
scbriml wrote:

The planes were ordered by Silkair which is, so I’ve been told, being integrated into SQ.

I’m sadly old enough to have seen SQ 737-200s. :old:


Singapore Airlines was one of the few airlines that operated the 737-100 as well. It's not sad at all that we were lucky enough to live through one of the most amazing times in commercial aviation history. I myself feel blessed.


Correct. Singapore ordered the 100 and I don't think they ordered any 200s unlike other airlines, and they were the only airline, with Lufthansa to order the original 100 brand new from Boeing. I believe that only 30 of the 100 Series were built, with only Lufthansa and Singapore buying those. The ones People Express flew came from Lufthansa. Would the 737 have existed if Lufthansa didn't want it? I don't think so.

That is a slightly complicated one. MSA ordered both the 100s and 200s. The 200s went to MH but retained MSA/SQ's Boeing customer code (12).
 
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Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:04 am

scbriml wrote:
American 767 wrote:
Correct. Singapore ordered the 100 and I don't think they ordered any 200s unlike other airlines


Yes, my bad, they were -100s. Oh dear, now I feel even older! :old: :old:


They were actually ordered by and delivered to Malaysia-Singapore Airlines in 1968-69. Not sure if Singapore got custody of all of them after the 'divorce', or if MAS kept any. MSA, Avianca, and, of course, launch customer Lufthansa were the only three airlines that took delivery of -100s from Boeing.
 
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Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:46 am

smi0006 wrote:
changyou wrote:
NZ321 wrote:
The beginning of the end... or a new beginning? Who knows. .? But this sure feels like earthquake territory to me - I am not trying to be dramatic But neither am I optimisitic about the latest decision to desolve Silkair and move it into SQ. Why was this necessary? SQ is 100% about top brand. This aircraft doesn't deliver the goods - so duely wating for expected fallout. Silkair was a quality niche brand that was built from the roots and nicely separate from SQ. The airline has had a loyal following. And a diverse network. Consistent quality albeit inferior service to boot. So SQ are going to have to be very careful about this transition. Just not overly confident they can pull this one off. It starts with the hard product and it's hard to see how this can measure up with the SQ level of attentiveness that works on long haul but not on regional flights. I am looking on with keen eyes. Await further evelopments and announcements..


MI crew will be integrated into SQ.
SQ regional service style will apply here like any SQ regional flights.
SQ crew will be rated on this fleet.
It won’t be much of a difference from SQ service.
Can’t be said about the seats as these will be lie flat but not the same as SQ new regional.


So the crew will adopt the SQ uniform? Will there be one crew group? Or long haul/short haul? Be an interesting lifestyle shift potentially for both crew groups - LHR/NYC one trip - CBU milk run the next!

Yes. All MI crew will be absorb into SQ.
They will go through SQ training again and then deploy as SQ crew.
No more SilkAir all together.
Only one and only SQ operating additional 737 narrowbody fleet.
Bulk of SilkAir routes will be transfer to Scoot as well.
 
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Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:15 am

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Yes. All MI crew will be absorb into SQ.
They will go through SQ training again and then deploy as SQ crew.
No more SilkAir all together.
Only one and only SQ operating additional 737 narrowbody fleet.
Bulk of SilkAir routes will be transfer to Scoot as well.


Roughly speaking : MI business heavy routes become SQ while leasure routes become Scoot. SIA group will be down from 4 brands to 2 and I think overall it will be much better. At the moment it is confusing:

This was published earlier https://www.singaporeair.com/en_UK/ru/m ... 918-181122:

From SilkAir to Scoot:
Luang Prabang and Vientiane in Laos, in April 2019
Coimbatore, Trivandrum and Visakhapatnam in India, between May 2019 and October 2019
Changsha, Fuzhou, Kunming and Wuhan in China, between May 2019 and June 2019
Chiang Mai[1] in Thailand, in October 2019
Kota Kinabalu in Malaysia, in December 2019
Balikpapan, Lombok, Makassar, Manado, Semarang and Yogyakarta in Indonesia, between May 2020 and July 2020

From Scoot to SIA (Both are existing SIA destinations):
Bengaluru and Chennai in India, in May 2019 and May 2020

From Scoot to SilkAir (Both are existing SilkAir destinations):
Shenzhen in China, from June 2019
Kochi in India, from October 2019


I think all routes which are still Silkair routes by mid-2020 become SQ routes.
727 732 733 734 735 73G 738 739/ER 742 743 744/M 752 753 762 772 77E 773 77W 788 A300 A310 A319 A320 A321 A332 A333 A343 A345 A346 A359 A35K A388 DC-9 DC-10 MD11 MD81 MD82 MD87 F70 ERJ145 E170 E175 E190 E195 ATR72 Q400 CRJ200 CRJ700 CRJ900 BAE146 RJ85
 
CHRISBA35X
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Re: First SQ 737 MAX roll out

Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:59 am

Are there any SilkAir A319/20 left and if so will we see these in SQ livery at all?
 
RawSushi
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Re: First SQ 737 MAX roll out

Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:04 am

NZ321 wrote:
The beginning of the end... or a new beginning? Who knows. .? But this sure feels like earthquake territory to me - I am not trying to be dramatic But neither am I optimisitic about the latest decision to desolve Silkair and move it into SQ. Why was this necessary? SQ is 100% about top brand. This aircraft doesn't deliver the goods - so duely wating for expected fallout. Silkair was a quality niche brand that was built from the roots and nicely separate from SQ. The airline has had a loyal following. And a diverse network. Consistent quality albeit inferior service to boot. So SQ are going to have to be very careful about this transition. Just not overly confident they can pull this one off. It starts with the hard product and it's hard to see how this can measure up with the SQ level of attentiveness that works on long haul but not on regional flights. I am looking on with keen eyes. Await further evelopments and announcements..


  1. As narrow-bodies become more and more capable they become harder to ignore as they become capable of covering more and more of the market segments. This is inevitable, though if SQ had known this beforehand they might have gone for the A320/321neo instead.
  2. The planes will be refitted with lie-flat business class seats and seat-back IFE systems. Don't think think there's gonna be a huge gap product-wise as compared to the widebodies.

Bottom line is this is just a reflection of the state and trends of the industry right now. Hardly an earthquake, unless you didn't see it coming. I think many of us would have. On hindsight especially, pretty obvious and sensible decision.
 
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Re: First SQ 737 MAX roll out

Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:06 am

Let's see if it ever flies ;-). :stirthepot:
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RawSushi
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Re: First SQ 737 MAX roll out

Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:06 am

CHRISBA35X wrote:
Are there any SilkAir A319/20 left and if so will we see these in SQ livery at all?


A319/20 to be retired
737NG to be transferred to Scoot (though there's been a change of plans due to MAX grounding, so some NGs will go to SQ)
737MAX to go to SQ
 
AirwayBill
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Re: First SQ 737 MAX roll out

Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:54 am

There's already a rendering available on a fictional airline forum.
Will be fun to see SQ colors on a NB. Especially a half-baked one like the MAX series.

Image
 
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Re: First SQ 737 MAX roll out

Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:09 am

airbazar wrote:
NZ321 wrote:
The beginning of the end... or a new beginning? Who knows. .? But this sure feels like earthquake territory to me - I am not trying to be dramatic But neither am I optimisitic about the latest decision to desolve Silkair and move it into SQ. Why was this necessary? SQ is 100% about top brand. This aircraft doesn't deliver the goods - so duely wating for expected fallout. Silkair was a quality niche brand that was built from the roots and nicely separate from SQ.


There hasn't been separation between SilkAir and Singapore Airlines since the days of Tradewinds. They were one and the same. Same management, Silk Air crew came from SQ and are SQ employees, same frequent flier program, Silk Air schedules were determined by SQ, same level of service, etc, etc, etc. The only difference was that the aircraft were painted in different colors. Keeping the 2 brands was an expensive charade for the sole purpose of being able to claim the title of "all widebody airline". That is why they decided to "merge" the 2 brands. Once the flying public in Southeat Asia became accustomed to flying narrowbodies, it made zero sense to continue the charade.

I need to correct your for some points here.

MI has their own management team, with their own CEO reporting to Singapore Airlines Group, not Singapore Airlines itself.

MI cabin crew are not sourced from SQ, they run their separate recruitment drive until recently which SQ took over all recruitment and all back office support functions. They trained their own cabin crew separately.

MI services and schedules are determined by the Group, not by SQ itself. There is a difference here.

MI service level is very much different if you compared MI and SQ. MI is also not part of Star Alliance group initally, and you are unable to accrue or redeem miles until recent years. You don't get flat bed in their J class too, and champange etc. Over the years, MI has been considered overpriced premium carrier with LCC service for very basic services (although F&B and luggage are still complimentary) and the competition in the region has heightened, hence time is ripe for merger to increase operational efficiency and optimisation and better cost control and tactical move against competitors.

They have merged Silk Air website into Singapore Airlines's back in April 2019.
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Re: First SQ 737 MAX roll out

Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:28 am

RawSushi wrote:
CHRISBA35X wrote:
Are there any SilkAir A319/20 left and if so will we see these in SQ livery at all?


A319/20 to be retired
737NG to be transferred to Scoot (though there's been a change of plans due to MAX grounding, so some NGs will go to SQ)
737MAX to go to SQ

Additional notes:
A319/A320 fleet, with only 9 left now will be leaving in two years' time. Definitely won't see SQ livery. All are equipped with higher rated engines (V2527M-A5 & V2527E-A5), hardly any market for these aircraft. Most may ended up being scrapped as most of their recent retired aircraft did. Their current lessor are actively looking for new buyer. https://www.myairtrade.com/available/A320

B737NG fleet will be transferred to Scoot to complement A320 family. With MAX grounding, plan might be on hold until the ban is lifted. Also, Scoot has suspended A320neo delivery after taking two. (31 still on order, 16 A3210neo on order too).

B737MAX which are currently in MI livery will progressively be repainted into SQ. New delivery will all be in SQ livery. 6 delivered so far, 31 due for delivery.
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Re: First SQ 737 MAX roll out

Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:42 pm

rbavfan wrote:
America West (AKA AA) also operated 8 of them.


America West was 2 mergers and over a decade away from having anything to do with AA when they were still flying the 737-100, so I don’t know why you put “AKA AA”.
 
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Re: First SQ 737 MAX roll out

Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:04 pm

Why have Scoot suspend 320NEO deliveries ?
 
zakuivcustom
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Re: First SQ 737 MAX roll out

Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:02 pm

Can't wait until the plane is fully painted...and well, it actually take to the sky instead of sitting in some desert :duck: :duck: :duck:

hongkongflyer wrote:
Sad but true. We basically don't have regional jet in Southeast Asia (or even the Asia) so NB is cosidered a SMALL PLANE in many people's mind.


So true according to pretty much every single one of my relatives in HK :).

Well, I have to call the 50/70 seaters "Ultra Small Plane"...I can't imagined their shock if the 19-seaters were still around :).

P.S. As far as narrowbody vs. widebody for SQ, just remember it's pretty much the exact reason why A310 won the battle over B752 in that battle of 727 replacement way back in 1980s (before I was even born, that is...)
 
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Re: First SQ 737 MAX roll out

Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:18 pm

NZ321 wrote:
The beginning of the end... or a new beginning? Who knows. .? But this sure feels like earthquake territory to me - I am not trying to be dramatic But neither am I optimisitic about the latest decision to desolve Silkair and move it into SQ. Why was this necessary? SQ is 100% about top brand. This aircraft doesn't deliver the goods - so duely wating for expected fallout. Silkair was a quality niche brand that was built from the roots and nicely separate from SQ. The airline has had a loyal following. And a diverse network. Consistent quality albeit inferior service to boot. So SQ are going to have to be very careful about this transition. Just not overly confident they can pull this one off. It starts with the hard product and it's hard to see how this can measure up with the SQ level of attentiveness that works on long haul but not on regional flights. I am looking on with keen eyes. Await further evelopments and announcements..

Super dramatic post, but I just wanted to highlight a few things:
1) SQ is rolling out a different hard product on the MAX during the rebrand, they'll be lie-flat seats in J and IFE at every seat - thus creating parity with their widebody fleet.
2) SQ already operates their widebodies and their service model on very short routes, many of which are shared with MI, such as SIN-KUL and SIN-HKT. The service will be the same, just on different sized planes.
 
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Re: First SQ 737 MAX roll out

Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:50 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
NZ321 wrote:
The beginning of the end... or a new beginning? Who knows. .? But this sure feels like earthquake territory to me - I am not trying to be dramatic But neither am I optimisitic about the latest decision to desolve Silkair and move it into SQ. Why was this necessary? SQ is 100% about top brand. This aircraft doesn't deliver the goods - so duely wating for expected fallout. Silkair was a quality niche brand that was built from the roots and nicely separate from SQ. The airline has had a loyal following. And a diverse network. Consistent quality albeit inferior service to boot. So SQ are going to have to be very careful about this transition. Just not overly confident they can pull this one off. It starts with the hard product and it's hard to see how this can measure up with the SQ level of attentiveness that works on long haul but not on regional flights. I am looking on with keen eyes. Await further evelopments and announcements..

This may very well be the most melodramatic post in A.net history..............

juliuswong wrote:
Revelation wrote:
And if you stick around a few more years you're likely to see 737s back in BA livery too!

I literally lol so loud reading your comment. Haha! Return of the old.

No need to wait, you can do that today:
The 737s in Africa may be opped by Comair, but they're still "737s in BA livery"


So thinking about melodrama, how many times have you flown Silkair in the past 12 months? Because I have a many times and do talk to people. So where does melodrama come in prey tell? Just trying to relay the general talk that I have experienced up front with regular fliers and inspire some persective other than that which can be gained from the keyboard. Therer is quite some feeling amont current Silk air Fliers about the changes in case you didnt; know.
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Re: First SQ 737 MAX roll out

Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:05 pm

EChid wrote:
NZ321 wrote:
The beginning of the end... or a new beginning? Who knows. .? But this sure feels like earthquake territory to me - I am not trying to be dramatic But neither am I optimisitic about the latest decision to desolve Silkair and move it into SQ. Why was this necessary? SQ is 100% about top brand. This aircraft doesn't deliver the goods - so duely wating for expected fallout. Silkair was a quality niche brand that was built from the roots and nicely separate from SQ. The airline has had a loyal following. And a diverse network. Consistent quality albeit inferior service to boot. So SQ are going to have to be very careful about this transition. Just not overly confident they can pull this one off. It starts with the hard product and it's hard to see how this can measure up with the SQ level of attentiveness that works on long haul but not on regional flights. I am looking on with keen eyes. Await further evelopments and announcements..

Super dramatic post, but I just wanted to highlight a few things:
1) SQ is rolling out a different hard product on the MAX during the rebrand, they'll be lie-flat seats in J and IFE at every seat - thus creating parity with their widebody fleet.
2) SQ already operates their widebodies and their service model on very short routes, many of which are shared with MI, such as SIN-KUL and SIN-HKT. The service will be the same, just on different sized planes.


Yes SQ does operate on short haul, as I am well aware, and yes indeed MI does operate to some destinations it's hard to see will survive this transition. But let's wait and see. Going to be interesting for sure.
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