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Emirates introduces fourth daily to Dhaka

Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:41 pm

According to the airline -

Flight EK588 will depart Dubai at 22:30hrs and arrive in Dhaka at 05:20hrs next day. The return flight EK589 will depart Dhaka at 08:00hrs and arrive in Dubai at 11:00hrs. The service has been carefully timed to create convenient connections to popular cities, including London, Rome, Frankfurt, Porto, New York, Washington, D.C., Mexico City, Johannesburg and Cape Town.


Press release: https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/e ... -to-dhaka/

Does EK ever consider DAC as a potential for the A380? According to Airbus, DAC is capable.

https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/passeng ... ility.html

Thoughts?
 
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Re: Emirates introduces fourth daily to Dhaka

Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:24 pm

Guess not, or they would fly it there.
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Re: Emirates introduces fourth daily to Dhaka

Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:29 pm

DAC is a very big cargo market for EK hence there is no need for an A380 operating there.

This new flight finally enables majority of U.S. getting conveniently connected to DAC with a transit of 3-4 hours.

P2P demand between DXB and DAC increased by nearly +40% year over year i.e. from 223,000 to 308,000 round trip pax.
 
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Re: Emirates introduces fourth daily to Dhaka

Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:54 pm

behramjee wrote:
This new flight finally enables majority of U.S. getting conveniently connected to DAC with a transit of 3-4 hours.

I am actually surprised that DAC did not have a 22:30 time frame departure from DXB. Better late than never I suppose.
 
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Re: Emirates introduces fourth daily to Dhaka

Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:15 pm

EK216 wrote:
Does EK ever consider DAC as a potential for the A380? According to Airbus, DAC is capable.

https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/passeng ... ility.html

Thoughts?


The airfield maybe very capable ... but the facilities inside (gates, gate lounges, the hallways, the controls) and outside (tarmac, parking areas, equipment) are woefully inadequate for an A380 type traffic flow ... Dhaka is definitely not ready, IMHO. A brand new terminal and big facilities are going to be constructed ... they just broke ground recently. Perhaps then ... in 5/6 years I guess.
 
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Re: Emirates introduces fourth daily to Dhaka

Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:11 pm

To be fair, when SV were flying Air Atlanta 747s they were regulars at DAC and the airport was able to handle them without too much difficulty (and they were not low density birds). I think the main reason EK don’t send A380s is because Bangladesh is a major freight market in both directions which is where the 777-300ER really shines. Huge cargo capacity.
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Re: Emirates introduces fourth daily to Dhaka

Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:35 pm

Does anyone have numbers on Dhaka- London, Rome, Frankfurt, Porto, New York, Washington, D.C., Mexico City, Johannesburg and Cape Town (what EK is targeting)? Fascinating as always to see the scale and variety of the DXB hub.
 
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Re: Emirates introduces fourth daily to Dhaka

Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:19 am

I think DAC is 2 class B77W so it will be interesting to see the A380 in 2 class config offloading +600pax in 1 flight at DAC airport, DAC is not exactly the most efficient airport in the world so I am not sure if they could handle that. The waiting lounge for the flight is no even half of the size necessary for such a flight, even for the B77W is quite small already.

As far as know they were planning for a new runway, but I am not sure where, because the airport is surronded by house, the new terminal will be ready around 2022-2023 but one of the biggest problems is traffic and access to airport, it's horrible and imagine 600 pax arriving and another 600 departing, that'd be crazy.


airzona11 wrote:
Does anyone have numbers on Dhaka- London, Rome, Frankfurt, Porto, New York, Washington, D.C., Mexico City, Johannesburg and Cape Town (what EK is targeting)? Fascinating as always to see the scale and variety of the DXB hub.

I think UK, KSA and USA will be the biggest markets for Bangladesh pax.
 
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Re: Emirates introduces fourth daily to Dhaka

Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:59 am

migair54 wrote:
I think DAC is 2 class B77W so it will be interesting to see the A380 in 2 class config offloading +600pax in 1 flight at DAC airport, DAC is not exactly the most efficient airport in the world so I am not sure if they could handle that. The waiting lounge for the flight is no even half of the size necessary for such a flight, even for the B77W is quite small already.


Great news for DAC ... the market is strong! :thumbsup:

I fly through DAC about 4 times a year ... and it is great to have a 4th EK daily and the increased connection options ... but I'd prefer the increased frequency with the 77Ws than the A380s and the anarchy of handling 600+ pax through the limited gates, lounge and luggage facilities ... the facilities are already at their limits :biggrin:
 
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Re: Emirates introduces fourth daily to Dhaka

Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:04 am

Didn't FZ fly to DAC as well in the past? I think I remember reading about it somewhere.
 
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Re: Emirates introduces fourth daily to Dhaka

Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:51 am

Blerg wrote:
Didn't FZ fly to DAC as well in the past? I think I remember reading about it somewhere.


Yes, up to twice a day with a full Y config of 189. And flights were full. Those slots were given to EK as they could fill a 777.
 
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Re: Emirates introduces fourth daily to Dhaka

Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:59 am

Avgeek21 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Didn't FZ fly to DAC as well in the past? I think I remember reading about it somewhere.


Yes, up to twice a day with a full Y config of 189. And flights were full. Those slots were given to EK as they could fill a 777.


Maybe they were not making money, the flight must have been over five hours, no? They also discontinued BKK which was very long as well.
 
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Re: Emirates introduces fourth daily to Dhaka

Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:42 pm

Blerg wrote:
Avgeek21 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Didn't FZ fly to DAC as well in the past? I think I remember reading about it somewhere.


Yes, up to twice a day with a full Y config of 189. And flights were full. Those slots were given to EK as they could fill a 777.


Maybe they were not making money, the flight must have been over five hours, no? They also discontinued BKK which was very long as well.


Im sure they made money. But FZ and EK have been working together, and are adjusting routes so that their networks can compliment instead of compete with each other.
 
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Re: Emirates introduces fourth daily to Dhaka

Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:17 pm

airzona11 wrote:
Does anyone have numbers on Dhaka- London, Rome, Frankfurt, Porto, New York, Washington, D.C., Mexico City, Johannesburg and Cape Town (what EK is targeting)? Fascinating as always to see the scale and variety of the DXB hub.


The traffic demand to the cities you requested to/from Dhaka over the past 12 months were as follows:

LON (LHR + LGW combined) - 142,000
FCO - 62,000
MXP - 39,000
FRA - 11,000
NYC (JFK + EWR combined) - 154,000
JNB - 14,000
CPT - 3,000
IAH - 7,000
LAX - 14,000
SFO - 6,000
ORD - 7,000

I find it quite intriguing that DAC-NYC demand has now eclipsed DAC-LON !
 
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Re: Emirates introduces fourth daily to Dhaka

Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:34 pm

EK216 wrote:
Does EK ever consider DAC as a potential for the A380? According to Airbus, DAC is capable.

https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/passeng ... ility.html

Thoughts?


That link also claims that Pantnagar Airport (PGH) is A380 capable. Surely Airbus can't be serious?
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Re: Emirates introduces fourth daily to Dhaka

Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:08 pm

EK216 wrote:

Does EK ever consider DAC as a potential for the A380? According to Airbus, DAC is capable.

https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/passeng ... ility.html

Thoughts?


Technically, Airbus only considers DAC a "potential additional alternate."
No not that TSA.
 
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Re: Emirates introduces fourth daily to Dhaka

Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:54 pm

behramjee wrote:
airzona11 wrote:
Does anyone have numbers on Dhaka- London, Rome, Frankfurt, Porto, New York, Washington, D.C., Mexico City, Johannesburg and Cape Town (what EK is targeting)? Fascinating as always to see the scale and variety of the DXB hub.


The traffic demand to the cities you requested to/from Dhaka over the past 12 months were as follows:

LON (LHR + LGW combined) - 142,000
FCO - 62,000
MXP - 39,000
FRA - 11,000
NYC (JFK + EWR combined) - 154,000
JNB - 14,000
CPT - 3,000
IAH - 7,000
LAX - 14,000
SFO - 6,000
ORD - 7,000

I find it quite intriguing that DAC-NYC demand has now eclipsed DAC-LON !


This is great data, thank you for sharing. Really would not have guessed, but Dhaka serves a large population. Very interesting.
Per Day:
London 389
FCO 17
MXP 107
FRA 30
NYC 422
JNB 38
CPT 8
IAH 19
LAX 38
SFO 16
ORD 19
 
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Re: Emirates introduces fourth daily to Dhaka

Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:31 am

PerfectGriffin wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Avgeek21 wrote:

Yes, up to twice a day with a full Y config of 189. And flights were full. Those slots were given to EK as they could fill a 777.


Maybe they were not making money, the flight must have been over five hours, no? They also discontinued BKK which was very long as well.


Im sure they made money. But FZ and EK have been working together, and are adjusting routes so that their networks can compliment instead of compete with each other.


Yes they made money. Flights were always full and overbooked even. Every kilo up to max ramp weight was used for cargo too. And 5hr is average on their network. Both BKK and DAC were given to EK as they also take up DXB slots. Both are high volume and low yield destinations. So better to fill up a 777 iso a 737 and use those DXB slots wisely.
 
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Re: Emirates introduces fourth daily to Dhaka

Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:50 pm

Avgeek21 wrote:
PerfectGriffin wrote:
Blerg wrote:

Maybe they were not making money, the flight must have been over five hours, no? They also discontinued BKK which was very long as well.


Im sure they made money. But FZ and EK have been working together, and are adjusting routes so that their networks can compliment instead of compete with each other.


Yes they made money. Flights were always full and overbooked even. Every kilo up to max ramp weight was used for cargo too. And 5hr is average on their network. Both BKK and DAC were given to EK as they also take up DXB slots. Both are high volume and low yield destinations. So better to fill up a 777 iso a 737 and use those DXB slots wisely.


It makes sense to work together and not compete, also EK B77W can take full plane and a good load of cargo, in and out of DAC. the BKK was a non sense for FZ, I don´t even understand why trying.

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