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No fuel at LAX T1 this afternoon.

Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:42 pm

I’m on a WN flight parked at SJC on my way to LAX. We have been told that fuel system is broken at LAX so no aircraft can get fuel to leave and gates are all occupied so we can’t leave. Anyone know what is happening?
 
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Re: No fuel at LAX this afternoon.

Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:22 pm

Google's still not showing any breaking news, and just saw an AS flight depart.... so thinking it's probably localized to T1, or has been resolved.
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Re: No fuel at LAX this afternoon.

Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:38 pm

Not resolved yet, but listening to LiveATC it seems that delta at t2 and T3 is fine. Sounds like wn planes are backing up on the ground.
 
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Re: No fuel at LAX this afternoon.

Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:46 pm

Hydrant system outage affecting T1, maybe?
 
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Re: No fuel at LAX this afternoon.

Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:58 pm

Only a Southwest T-1 specific issue. They are using tanker trucks, but obviously slow going.
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Re: No fuel at LAX this afternoon.

Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:10 am

Not a LAX problem. A T1 problem.
 
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Re: No fuel at LAX this afternoon.

Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:54 am

EFSO system probably. That would typically cause a shutdown isolated to a set of gates (or terminal) until the issue is cleared/reset
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Re: No fuel at LAX this afternoon.

Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:46 am

airportugal310 wrote:
EFSO system probably. That would typically cause a shutdown isolated to a set of gates (or terminal) until the issue is cleared/reset


Would it take so long to reset that it would start affecting operations like this? At my airport any EFSO issues not caused by actual emergencies are typically resolved within minutes.
 
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Re: No fuel at LAX this afternoon.

Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:51 pm

I ended up getting to LAX about 5 hours late.
 
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Re: No fuel at LAX this afternoon.

Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:31 pm

Was this resolved?
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Re: No fuel at LAX this afternoon.

Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:15 pm

Any flights diverted to ONT
 
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Re: No fuel at LAX this afternoon.

Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:55 am

lightsaber wrote:
Was this resolved?


I am not sure when it was resolved exactly but per a 5pm airport ops update things were operational.

Don’t think outage was more than a couple hours, but it did enough damage for the remainder of the day for SWA.
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Re: No fuel at LAX T1 this afternoon.

Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:54 pm

I work the Ramp for SWA here at LAX. Problem was that fuel lines going into T1 we’re frozen and could not be freed up and took some time to get it going again. Yes used tanker trucks to help mitigate but the damage was done that night. Lots of lengthy delays and aircraft holding out for open gates.
 
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Re: No fuel at LAX T1 this afternoon.

Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:14 pm

WNagent310 wrote:
I work the Ramp for SWA here at LAX. Problem was that fuel lines going into T1 we’re frozen and could not be freed up and took some time to get it going again. Yes used tanker trucks to help mitigate but the damage was done that night. Lots of lengthy delays and aircraft holding out for open gates.


That's not what happened at all. In fact, as I surmised above, it WAS the EFSO (Emergency Fuel Shutoff System) that affected T1

Not going to get into the why or how, as that's not really important, but fuel lines at LAX don't "freeze" (whatever that even means)
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Re: No fuel at LAX T1 this afternoon.

Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:16 pm

WNagent310 wrote:
I work the Ramp for SWA here at LAX. Problem was that fuel lines going into T1 we’re frozen and could not be freed up and took some time to get it going again. Yes used tanker trucks to help mitigate but the damage was done that night. Lots of lengthy delays and aircraft holding out for open gates.


How do fuel lines freeze in Los Angeles? I doubt that even water has froze there... and you need to go much colder than natural weather anywhere on earth for jet fuel to freeze.

My guess was that a valve "froze" (bound up) and it took some time to get the valve unstuck (or replaced).

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Re: No fuel at LAX T1 this afternoon.

Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:22 pm

Honestly, that’s what LAX Airport Ops told me, obviously I had my doubts being that it was only in the 50s low 60s that day. There had to be much more to it than that. But it sure did it’s damage to our operation. Handful of flights canceled or held at there origins and en-route aircraft were diverted to nearby Ontario as well as Phoenix and Vegas
 
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Re: No fuel at LAX T1 this afternoon.

Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:40 pm

airportugal310 wrote:
WNagent310 wrote:
I work the Ramp for SWA here at LAX. Problem was that fuel lines going into T1 we’re frozen and could not be freed up and took some time to get it going again. Yes used tanker trucks to help mitigate but the damage was done that night. Lots of lengthy delays and aircraft holding out for open gates.


That's not what happened at all. In fact, as I surmised above, it WAS the EFSO (Emergency Fuel Shutoff System) that affected T1

Not going to get into the why or how, as that's not really important, but fuel lines at LAX don't "freeze" (whatever that even means)

Fuel stopped having a freeze point below -50C?

I'd much more likely believe an emergency fuel shutoff malfunction than below -50C in coastal Cali.

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Re: No fuel at LAX T1 this afternoon.

Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:49 pm

Come on, let's be less pedantic. It is not unusual to say that a valve that fails to respond to an open/close command is frozen. In this context it means unresponsive as opposed to being immobilized by low temperature or frozen fluid.
 
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Re: No fuel at LAX T1 this afternoon.

Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:08 pm

Frozen can mean many things--not just a low temperature:

Probably what the LAX Ops meant is definition 2b: "not available for present use." I doubt anyone actually thought the lines were literally frozen, as in icy--not in LA.

Definition of frozen Merriam Webster
1a: treated, affected, or crusted over by freezing
b: subject to long and severe cold
the frozen north

2a: incapable of being changed, moved, or undone : FIXED
specifically : debarred by official action from movement or from change in status
e.g frozen wages

b: not available for present use
e.g. frozen capital

c(1): drained or incapable of emotion

(2): expressing or characterized by cold unfriendliness

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