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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Fri Dec 20, 2019 6:59 pm

Does anyone know, or recall if the 'Noosa' airport that Sunstate served back in the early 1980s is the same airport as todays Maroochydore (MCY)?
When I attempt to search for information on Noosa airport history the only thing that comes is MCY.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:37 pm

Qantas59 wrote:
Does anyone know, or recall if the 'Noosa' airport that Sunstate served back in the early 1980s is the same airport as todays Maroochydore (MCY)?
When I attempt to search for information on Noosa airport history the only thing that comes is MCY.
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It sure is. I flew through there a few weeks ago and it had some lovely retro photos on the wall.

The red and canary yellow livery on an Air NSW F28 was rather vivid!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:59 pm

Qantas59 wrote:
Does anyone know, or recall if the 'Noosa' airport that Sunstate served back in the early 1980s is the same airport as todays Maroochydore (MCY)?
When I attempt to search for information on Noosa airport history the only thing that comes is MCY.
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Nah it’s not mate, Noosa airport was privately owned by the recently deceased Bevan Whitaker, Noosa airport is on the northern shoreline of Lake Weyba
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:20 pm

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a320fan wrote:
Are the VARA A320 pilots on the VA seniority list or is regional separate?


Pilotss lists for Virgin Australia & VARA are separate according to the VARA 2019 EBA


The VARA list was carried over from Skywest to protect VARA internal promotions from going to VAA guys who wanted to come back to PER. For example 737 FO in SYD to F100 captain PER.

However there is also a group list (featuring VAA, VARA and VAI ) and enough time has passed that really only the group list matters. Provided you haven’t failed a sim or are under performance review, you can take any vacancy advertised within the group.

Tiger has recently been added to the group list too, but the amount of pilots allowed to be released is 10% per year. This tiger restriction will surely go on their next EBA, just like the ATR restriction has recently been removed.

It’s actually quite a good system for pilots, you have a career at the one group but can work across multiple divisions as you work your way up. Entry points are SO777, NZ737, Vara F100 or ATR.

At the moment people leaving SO 777 for jobs on the VARA 320 & VAA 737 or leaving the 320/F100/ ATR for jobs on the VAA 737. FO’s on the VAA 737 taking up commands on the Intl 737 in NZ too

Also just to clarify from a few posts ago, there is no such thing as a VARA ATR, they are operated by mainline VAA: same division and AOC that operates our 737/8 and 332 fleet. Virgin Australia Regional Airlines only flies F100 and 320.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:09 am

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... june-2020/

BNE-ORD starting a few days earlier. Are advanced bookings good?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:19 am

Bluebell wrote:
Qantas59 wrote:
Does anyone know, or recall if the 'Noosa' airport that Sunstate served back in the early 1980s is the same airport as todays Maroochydore (MCY)?
When I attempt to search for information on Noosa airport history the only thing that comes is MCY.
Cheers

Nah it’s not mate, Noosa airport was privately owned by the recently deceased Bevan Whitaker, Noosa airport is on the northern shoreline of Lake Weyba


It still appears to active ICAO code is YNSH. I would assume it's mostly used for skydiving.

From the ERSA
https://www.airservicesaustralia.com/aip/current/ersa/FAC_YNSH_07NOV2019.pdf
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:47 am

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VARA will expand their A320 fleet in 2020 by 3 more aircraft, the first arriving in March, this will take the fleet up to 9 by the end of 2020


QFLink/NWK are also due a 4th ex JQ A320 in March.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:49 am

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The A320's are bulk loaded, containers aren't used or nor are they going to be used. In this case the 737 is an easier aircraft to bulk load simply due to the fact the rear hold has the sliding carpet and even though it can store about 200 bags it can be done by one person. The front hold requires 2 people to load so in the situation of loading the 2 on hold would normal start in the front and as that gets full one would move to the back. The A320 on the other hand requires 2 people in both front and back. The other advantage the 737 has is the forward hold is also temperature controlled so animals/pets cans be accommodated where as on the A320 pets can not be put in the hold at all..


Actually you can use a Powerstow to load using only two people one person on the ground putting them on and one person inside taking them off and stacking them so no advantage either 737 or 320 when bulk loading. Regarding A320 pets can not be loaded at all is incorrect. Pets can be loaded either on a pkc in the forward and aft holds or strapped down in the bulk hold. Airbus would not be selling 1000s of frames if they could not carry pets.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:52 am

NZ516 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
The A320's are bulk loaded, containers aren't used or nor are they going to be used. In this case the 737 is an easier aircraft to bulk load simply due to the fact the rear hold has the sliding carpet and even though it can store about 200 bags it can be done by one person. The front hold requires 2 people to load so in the situation of loading the 2 on hold would normal start in the front and as that gets full one would move to the back. The A320 on the other hand requires 2 people in both front and back. The other advantage the 737 has is the forward hold is also temperature controlled so animals/pets cans be accommodated where as on the A320 pets can not be put in the hold at all..


Actually you can use a Powerstow to load using only two people one person on the ground putting them on and one person inside taking them off and stacking them so no advantage either 737 or 320 when bulk loading. Regarding A320 pets can not be loaded at all is incorrect. Pets can be loaded either on a pkc in the forward and aft holds or strapped down in the bulk hold. Airbus would not be selling 1000s of frames if they could not carry pets.


Having done the VARA ramp training pets can not be carried on A320's
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:56 am

That might be just a VARA policy that says no pets to its customers but its is possible and all other 320 operators can load pets
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sat Dec 21, 2019 11:20 am

NZ516 wrote:
That might be just a VARA policy that says no pets to its customers but its is possible and all other 320 operators can load pets


Jetstar doesn't accept pets in its hold
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:42 pm

QF 18 turned back to LAX after 40 min into flight. Is it just coincidence that VH-OQH just returned back to the fleet?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:48 pm

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Interesting comment - had access to rates and the 2X f100 was cheaper than the 737 when talking QF link. Not by much mind when talking seat cost when you have an extra 70% capacity.

At the moment it is all about capacity with all the iron ore projects starting up. Second component is the 320/737 jets are good on the 2000 meter long strips in the Pilbara, plenty of grunt to get off the ground in the 45 degree heat. F100's suffer and are effectively a major workforce annoyance when they have to puddle hop to another (longer) airstrip like Paraburdoo, Christmas creek, Barrimunya to refuel.

Its a major PITA and adds 90 mins to the flight.


Hahaha. I remember ages ago when we had to bunny hop from Cloudbreak to Meekatharra to get fuel & the the refuelling guy had knocked off & we sat on the tarmac for 2hrs waiting for old mate to sober up.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:19 pm

gpasternak wrote:
QF 18 turned back to LAX after 40 min into flight. Is it just coincidence that VH-OQH just returned back to the fleet?


There will be lot of unhappy campers considering it was almost 6 hours late already
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:38 pm

gpasternak wrote:
QF 18 turned back to LAX after 40 min into flight. Is it just coincidence that VH-OQH just returned back to the fleet?

Am surprised the Qantas PR machine didn't make much noise about ferry flight (QF6016) from Germany to Sydney
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:55 pm

jman wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
That might be just a VARA policy that says no pets to its customers but its is possible and all other 320 operators can load pets


Jetstar doesn't accept pets in its hold


But Air New Zealand does on the 320. I just helped arrange it for mum and the family dog flying AKL-ZQN in January.

Perhaps there's specific equipment that an airline can order to enable this. Or perhaps this is a LCC thing where they choose to simply not offer the service.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:01 pm

Captdasbomb wrote:
gpasternak wrote:
QF 18 turned back to LAX after 40 min into flight. Is it just coincidence that VH-OQH just returned back to the fleet?


There will be lot of unhappy campers considering it was almost 6 hours late already


This is why I try to avoid QF during summer peak season. They run their fleets really tight but reliability is so bad that inevitably these things happen so regularly.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:45 pm

I was on QF7 Saturday, which was delayed when a catering truck got "too close to the plane" (words of the FO who did the flying). I think they had to change planes, unless FR24 was not accurate.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:30 am

aerokiwi wrote:
jman wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
That might be just a VARA policy that says no pets to its customers but its is possible and all other 320 operators can load pets


Jetstar doesn't accept pets in its hold


But Air New Zealand does on the 320. I just helped arrange it for mum and the family dog flying AKL-ZQN in January.

Perhaps there's specific equipment that an airline can order to enable this. Or perhaps this is a LCC thing where they choose to simply not offer the service.



The cost and time spent with additional cargo management are the reasons why pets or other types of cargo are accepted by operators. Its a choice not an aircraft type restriction.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sun Dec 22, 2019 11:22 pm

jman wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
That might be just a VARA policy that says no pets to its customers but its is possible and all other 320 operators can load pets


Jetstar doesn't accept pets in its hold


They will miss out on added revenue of carrying pets as baggage or cargo then. This will just a policy of the airline and not that it can't be done..
 
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Mon Dec 23, 2019 12:34 am

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Mon Dec 23, 2019 12:39 am

moa999 wrote:


Seems like QF (probably) or AIPA (less likely) put some heavy spin on that article - QF, AIPA and the CoM have reached in-principle agreement for the shorthaul EBA, which has little to do with the Sunrise EBA. I haven't seen any suggestions previously that negotiating the shorthaul and Sunrise EBAs simultaneously was stretching resources or distracting either side in relation to the Sunrise EBA.

Still, always good to see agreement being reached on these kinds of issues.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Mon Dec 23, 2019 12:55 am

It doesn't seem like there's any spin. Fairfax made the link, presumably for that headline and the ensuing clickbait.

NZ516 wrote:
jman wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
That might be just a VARA policy that says no pets to its customers but its is possible and all other 320 operators can load pets


Jetstar doesn't accept pets in its hold


They will miss out on added revenue of carrying pets as baggage or cargo then. This will just a policy of the airline and not that it can't be done..


JQ is a LCC and therefore needs a lean operation in order to fit its business model. Carrying pets would require resources and possibly additional ground time to make this "added" revenue possible.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Mon Dec 23, 2019 3:58 am

I would like to take this opportunity to wish you all a happy and safe christmas, and a prosperous new year. cheers
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Mon Dec 23, 2019 3:47 pm

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Obzerva wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
The A320 is gradually replacing the F100s in the regional fleets of both VARA and QFLink though there is obviously a long way to go but the F100s are now all over 25 years old and I think nearly 80% of the world's remaining fleet is Australian registered. Parts are scarce meaning some planes are now being scrapped just for rotables..

It is interesting to see how the A320 appears preferred to the 737NG for these services. I assume it is because their short field performance is a little bit better but loading the A320 would seem a little bit harder than the 737 due to containers and height. There is a rough runway pack available for A320s but I don't believe the AU fleets have them; as far as I know, only Air India ever took the option.


It could be a case of the A320s still have some time on their leases, so swapping them from TT to VARA maintains the lease, and still winds down the number of F100s.

It'd then be a decision as to whether maintain the A320s and (maybe grab some cheap A319s) to cover the complete withdrawal of the F100s or a new fleeting type, eg A220, which would be more expensive.


The A320's are in Y configuration which makes it a better option to replace the F100's over 737's. The only routes that see A320's but not 737's are BYP, CJF and WLP all of which operate on a charter basis for FIFO runs. The other route that sees A320's is the 2 weekly run to Christmas and Cocos Islands. VA flies a mix of 737's and A320's on ZNE, PHE, BME, KGI, OCM, DRW and ADL. On many of these routes its a waste to put an aircraft with J class on it as it is either not sold (as in the FIFO runs) or doesn't sell well at all. All WA flights that 737's run rarely see more than 1 or 2 J class seats sold so for VA it is a matter of utilising the fleet better so those aircraft are deployed on routes where they make more money

The A320's are bulk loaded, containers aren't used or nor are they going to be used. In this case the 737 is an easier aircraft to bulk load simply due to the fact the rear hold has the sliding carpet and even though it can store about 200 bags it can be done by one person. The front hold requires 2 people to load so in the situation of loading the 2 on hold would normal start in the front and as that gets full one would move to the back. The A320 on the other hand requires 2 people in both front and back. The other advantage the 737 has is the forward hold is also temperature controlled so animals/pets cans be accommodated where as on the A320 pets can not be put in the hold at all.

While the argument can be made of the A320 being a larger aircraft replacing the F100 with it has its advantages. Operating a F100 on ADL-PER is right its limit, sometimes payload restricted. Operating an A320/737 on the same route as a F100, the cost in negligible, as the A320/737 only burns about 100-200 kgs of fuel more than what a F100 does, so it could be argued the larger jet is more efficient in some ways

As for XCH/CCK runs, the route is not one that sees a high volume of passengers however it does see a high volume of cargo. Even if the load is around 100-120 passengers you quite often see 250 bags checked in. This route is quite unique to VA's network. Not only does it require careful planning from ops its also an essential service to those on those 2 islands. Once bags are checked in they are separated into normal checked baggage and excess baggage. When the bag count gets on the high side excess baggage can quite be left off the flight due to limitations required for flight. The diversion point for both XCH and CCK is CGK. On Fridays the route runs PER-CCK-XCH-PER though it does stop off at LEA for fuel on the way to CCK as it requires enough fuel to divert to CGK if it cant land at CCK and XCH is not a viable option, so departing LEA the aircraft is pretty much taking on close to max fuel.


It would be pretty straight forward to retrofit some 737s into an all Y configuration, literally an overnight job.

The advantages A320s have over B737s for FIFO are better runway performance (lower take-off/landing speed especially in very hot conditions) and less vulnerability to FOD with the higher engines. At mining strips, these factors are a much greater consideration than at main airports.

However, I agree that needs balancing by the 737 being much easier to ground handle. As to pets and the A320, it depends on how each frame was specified. My guess is that with VARA's fleet coming in from a mixture of original operators, it's easier just to say no pets.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:52 pm

How do you think Virgin as a business will handle the heavy maintenance checks on there 777 fleet next year and the trimming of flights to LA?

Especially Va1/Va2 that is dropping from a daily service to 5 flights a week?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:55 pm

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How do you think Virgin as a business will handle the heavy maintenance checks on there 777 fleet next year and the trimming of flights to LA?

Especially Va1/Va2 that is dropping from a daily service to 5 flights a week?

Handling heavy maintenances and trimming schedule during low season is nothing new to both this industry as a whole and VA itself as well.

Especially for VA1/2 since you always have DL to cover you in case of anything.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:01 pm

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I would like to take this opportunity to wish you all a happy and safe christmas, and a prosperous new year. cheers


You too! Another year has “flown” by.

(Collective groans at bad pun)

I hope next year, and Qantas 100 is a happy year and something every aussie can be proud of and take part in.

Alas I think there are troubles ahead.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:03 pm

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How do you think Virgin as a business will handle the heavy maintenance checks on there 777 fleet next year and the trimming of flights to LA?

Especially Va1/Va2 that is dropping from a daily service to 5 flights a week?


What's your questions exactly?

Trimming capacity in low season to cover maintenance is business as usual. There is really not much to discuss.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:13 am

https://www.flightradar24.com/R3DN053/abcde1

It seems the tribe is on its way to PER
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Tue Dec 24, 2019 11:52 am

Just noticed Atlas flight 5Y8747 from BKK to MEL avoiding Indonesian airspace, any ideas why?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Thu Dec 26, 2019 12:35 am

Before we get in to predictions for 2020 (which I'm assuming we'll do in the Jan thread) - how did everyone go with their 2019 predictions?

Jan '19 thread here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1411749 if anyone needs a reminder
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Thu Dec 26, 2019 12:58 am

To get in now with one almost certain prediction. HNA (again) will try to sell off their VA stake, to no avail. Keeping VA's complicated status quo for the forseeable future.

A near certainty is that the VA/HX partnership will likely be terminated in 2020 either through bankruptcy or liquidation on HX's end.

A likely certainty is the annual yearly "SQ WILL BUY MORE OF VA" (fake news) article occurring with no substance/actual occurence. SQ counters this by directly attributing/blaming VA for another profit downturn on SIA group's own financial reports.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Thu Dec 26, 2019 2:38 am

For anyone that is interested, Asiana Airlines begins schedules charter services to MEL today exICN! There will be a weekly flight for 9 weeks. After these flights Asiana will decide whether to convert these flights on a regular basis. The service has been well received so far, so fingers crossed!

Other new airlines for MEL:
- Bamboo Airways is expected to launch 787 services to HAN in May
- EL AL will do trial services during April and May
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:46 am

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To get in now with one almost certain prediction. HNA (again) will try to sell off their VA stake, to no avail. Keeping VA's complicated status quo for the forseeable future.

A near certainty is that the VA/HX partnership will likely be terminated in 2020 either through bankruptcy or liquidation on HX's end.

A likely certainty is the annual yearly "SQ WILL BUY MORE OF VA" (fake news) article occurring with no substance/actual occurence. SQ counters this by directly attributing/blaming VA for another profit downturn on SIA group's own financial reports.


This has been predicted for, what, 3 years now? I guess eventually you'd have to be right. Wih HX on the blink then I'd guess 2020 is the year for it to finally happen. But last time I looked I think (THINK) that the HNA stake is technically owned by their airline catering division - it really is an insane, messy corporate structure. Whether that is impacted by a shutdown of HX... who knows? I think Hainan Airlines itself is doing ok, or at least, not as badly as the Hong Kong division.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Thu Dec 26, 2019 4:19 am

ZNK entered service yesterday as QF153/176 MEL-AKL-MEL
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:29 am

QF/JQ applied for additional 675 seats on DPS route from 28/4. Believe these new services will operate from BNE as additional 2x weekly flights, bringing JQ BNE-DPS to 9x weekly. Good to see them slowly expanding on route, BNE-DPS has exploded over past year. These new flights now bookable through JQ website.

https://www.iasc.gov.au/sites/default/f ... onesia.pdf
https://www.bitre.gov.au/sites/default/ ... FY2019.pdf (Pg28)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:46 am

qf789 wrote:
ZNK entered service yesterday as QF153/176 MEL-AKL-MEL


Believe this was due to an A330 being AOG therefore a B789 operated QF153/176


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Fri Dec 27, 2019 12:14 am

I know this is now 2 weeks old, but I thought you might like to hear (see) the ATC conversation from Qantas Flight 575 which ended in the A330-200 being evacuated.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:10 am

kriskim wrote:
For anyone that is interested, Asiana Airlines begins schedules charter services to MEL today exICN! There will be a weekly flight for 9 weeks. After these flights Asiana will decide whether to convert these flights on a regular basis. The service has been well received so far, so fingers crossed!

Other new airlines for MEL:
- Bamboo Airways is expected to launch 787 services to HAN in May
- EL AL will do trial services during April and May


Hope to see Asiana successful and this flight becomes permanent, might make Korean have a re-think and come back to Melbourne if pax numbers are good for OZ, and hope flights are successful for El AL to. Good variety of airlines coming into Melbourne now, just wish there was a greater variety of aircraft coming in. Happy and safe new year to every one to.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sat Dec 28, 2019 1:11 am

LLSyd wrote:
How do you think Virgin as a business will handle the heavy maintenance checks on there 777 fleet next year and the trimming of flights to LA?

Especially Va1/Va2 that is dropping from a daily service to 5 flights a week?
hopeless. VA need to maintain daily from at least 2 cities to LAX & at same time every day.

BNE/LAX only opposition is QF. MEL/LAX has plenty
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sat Dec 28, 2019 1:15 am

looking at flights to NAN due to cyclone there. Almost everything is canc today, except VA, but FJ have a red eye tomorrow night BNE/NAN & still selling & VA have an A332 BNE/NAN early tomorrow.

Can an A332 land on cross runway at NAN ? which is 2136m ?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sat Dec 28, 2019 1:47 am

If VA was smart they'd launch SFO and get the tech market. UA recently upgauged SFO-SYD to the 77W for the tech J seats.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sat Dec 28, 2019 1:56 am

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If VA was smart they'd launch SFO and get the tech market. UA recently upgauged SFO-SYD to the 77W for the tech J seats.


VA has no partner at SFO nor do they have the a/c for it. All their 77Ws are tied up to LAX.
In addition it would be difficult for them to rely entirely only the O&D market on a route where they have no partners and minimal brand recognition since VX merged with AS.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sat Dec 28, 2019 1:59 am

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If VA was smart they'd launch SFO and get the tech market. UA recently upgauged SFO-SYD to the 77W for the tech J seats.


With QF going daily SYD-SFO, recently launching MEL-SFO along with UA, and soon BNE-SFO, I think VA have missed the boat again, not that they had the aircraft anyway. Years ago I think VA should have focused on BNE as a hub, the QLD government would have supported them. Launching LAX,SFO,NRT daily, as opposed to taking on QF in SYD,MEL,LAX....but that was JB....
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sat Dec 28, 2019 2:02 am

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x1234 wrote:
If VA was smart they'd launch SFO and get the tech market. UA recently upgauged SFO-SYD to the 77W for the tech J seats.


With QF going daily SYD-SFO, recently launching MEL-SFO along with UA, and soon BNE-SFO, I think VA have missed the boat again, not that they had the aircraft anyway. Years ago I think VA should have focused on BNE as a hub, the QLD government would have supported them. Launching LAX,SFO,NRT daily, as opposed to taking on QF in SYD,MEL,LAX....but that was JB....
whatever VA do, they must go daily or lose a big chunk of business crowd who aren't very price sensitive, but demand at least daily flights in case of changes
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sat Dec 28, 2019 2:06 am

smi0006 wrote:
x1234 wrote:
If VA was smart they'd launch SFO and get the tech market. UA recently upgauged SFO-SYD to the 77W for the tech J seats.


With QF going daily SYD-SFO, recently launching MEL-SFO along with UA, and soon BNE-SFO, I think VA have missed the boat again, not that they had the aircraft anyway. Years ago I think VA should have focused on BNE as a hub, the QLD government would have supported them. Launching LAX,SFO,NRT daily, as opposed to taking on QF in SYD,MEL,LAX....but that was JB....


SYD-LAX and BNE-LAX were actually started by Godfrey, not JB. SYD-NAN and SYD-JNB were also BG ventures that was axed by JB to concentrate on LAX and AUH.

JB can be credited for the MEL-LAX axing and restart though.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sat Dec 28, 2019 3:01 am

lessredtape wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
x1234 wrote:
If VA was smart they'd launch SFO and get the tech market. UA recently upgauged SFO-SYD to the 77W for the tech J seats.


With QF going daily SYD-SFO, recently launching MEL-SFO along with UA, and soon BNE-SFO, I think VA have missed the boat again, not that they had the aircraft anyway. Years ago I think VA should have focused on BNE as a hub, the QLD government would have supported them. Launching LAX,SFO,NRT daily, as opposed to taking on QF in SYD,MEL,LAX....but that was JB....
whatever VA do, they must go daily or lose a big chunk of business crowd who aren't very price sensitive, but demand at least daily flights in case of changes


ok let's play the numbers game.

VA are daily out of SYD
6 weekly out of BNE (with one service at a different time to the other 5)
5 weekly out of MEL
so essentially there are 3 days missing from the puzzle.
If VA was to order another 777 (they won't), then you'd be able to go daily, but then you'd have the issue where it's sitting around idle because the above has it working for 6 days (the 3 missing days, plus their return flights).
VA isn't going to order an aircraft just to leave it sitting on the ground for 30 hours - this is what VA used to have to do with AUH - however EY did VA a massive favour and ended up utilising the downtime VA had where the aircraft was idle in AUH by wetleasing it for a weekend AUH-KUL return flight.
So what would VA do with the expensive unproductive downtime? Replace a weekly A330 to HKG or HND with a 777 and squeezing some extra 330 utilisation to PER? Not convinced HKG can justify a 777, and HND is yet to launch.

Yes, ideally daily at the same time from each BNE / SYD / MEL would be ideal, but I can't see how they'd do it at the moment.

The only time I can see it happening is quite a while away, and that's if VA were to replace the A330 and 777s with a single aircraft type, eg A350, which would allow more flexible fleet utilisation.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sat Dec 28, 2019 3:38 am

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looking at flights to NAN due to cyclone there. Almost everything is canc today, except VA, but FJ have a red eye tomorrow night BNE/NAN & still selling & VA have an A332 BNE/NAN early tomorrow.

Can an A332 land on cross runway at NAN ? which is 2136m ?


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