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BITRE for September out

First numbers on PER-NRT
Inbound LF 63%
Outbound 81%

https://www.bitre.gov.au/publications/o ... y_1909.pdf

qf789 wrote:

BITRE for September out

First numbers on PER-NRT
Inbound LF 63%
Outbound 81%

https://www.bitre.gov.au/publications/o ... y_1909.pdf

Is that a bit suboptimal? QFs loads on BNE-NRT seem to be a fair bit higher (assuming the 297 seat a330) - outbound 75%, inbound 91% for the month. I know its an established route but still...

For a startup route in its first month of operations that’s not a bad result. BNE-NRT is a well established route as you say so you would expect that. You can’t really compare the two.
However for an airline in its third full month of operations (Thai Air Asia X) hovering around 50% now that’s very poor.

mh124 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

BITRE for September out

First numbers on PER-NRT
Inbound LF 63%
Outbound 81%

https://www.bitre.gov.au/publications/o ... y_1909.pdf

Is that a bit suboptimal? QFs loads on BNE-NRT seem to be a fair bit higher (assuming the 297 seat a330) - outbound 75%, inbound 91% for the month. I know its an established route but still...

Trust me once you see the loads from Citilink you will be saying NH is off to a good start, its also worth pointing out NH on SYD-HND the inbound LF into SYD was 67% so I think NH is off to a good start, they also hauled just under 250 tonnes of freight out of PER in the first month

qf789 wrote:

mh124 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

BITRE for September out

First numbers on PER-NRT
Inbound LF 63%
Outbound 81%

https://www.bitre.gov.au/publications/o ... y_1909.pdf

Is that a bit suboptimal? QFs loads on BNE-NRT seem to be a fair bit higher (assuming the 297 seat a330) - outbound 75%, inbound 91% for the month. I know its an established route but still...

Trust me once you see the loads from Citilink you will be saying NH is off to a good start, its also worth pointing out NH on SYD-HND the inbound LF into SYD was 67% so I think NH is off to a good start, they also hauled just under 250 tonnes of freight out of PER in the first month

Oh ok thanks. I had calculated the HND-SYD LF as higher (4839/6457 - 75%) but i possibly was using the wrong aircraft type.
Its all re-assuring nonetheless. Thank you.

Singapore Airlines to upgrade SQ217/218 to A388 from 17 Feb to 8 Mar 20

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-changes/

Emirates 77W A6-EGC is operating the first seasonal EK424/425 DXB-PER

https://www.flightradar24.com/UAE424/2307cc5a

China Eastern frequency increases for Q1 20

MEL-PVG, increases from 14 to 18 weekly, 16 Jan - 16 Feb 20, A332 operating extra services
BNE-PVG, increase from 7 to 10 weekly, 16 Jan - 1 Feb 20, A332 operating all services

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... xpansions/

Qatar is closing in on 10 years since launching services to Australia, seems like an announcement is coming regarding celebrations

https://twitter.com/qatarairways/status ... 93920?s=20

qf789 wrote:

Qatar is closing in on 10 years since launching services to Australia, seems like an announcement is coming regarding celebrations

https://twitter.com/qatarairways/status ... 93920?s=20

On a personal note - I was part of the QR start up team. Incredible to believe it’s been ten years!! Haha makes me slightly old.

It’s the QF PR machine still talking a 2019 announcement for PS? With one month and Xmas left we are two weeks away - despite statements around pricing and EBAs, 2019 for an order was previously a consistent theme.

smi0006 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

Qatar is closing in on 10 years since launching services to Australia, seems like an announcement is coming regarding celebrations

https://twitter.com/qatarairways/status ... 93920?s=20

On a personal note - I was part of the QR start up team. Incredible to believe it’s been ten years!! Haha makes me slightly old.

It’s the QF PR machine still talking a 2019 announcement for PS? With one month and Xmas left we are two weeks away - despite statements around pricing and EBAs, 2019 for an order was previously a consistent theme.

Recently QF were saying a decision on PS by end of the year with an order early in the new year. The third PS research flight is on 16 Dec, so arriving in SYD on the 18th, I cant see anything announced until that has been completed

qf789 wrote:

smi0006 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

Qatar is closing in on 10 years since launching services to Australia, seems like an announcement is coming regarding celebrations

https://twitter.com/qatarairways/status ... 93920?s=20

On a personal note - I was part of the QR start up team. Incredible to believe it’s been ten years!! Haha makes me slightly old.

It’s the QF PR machine still talking a 2019 announcement for PS? With one month and Xmas left we are two weeks away - despite statements around pricing and EBAs, 2019 for an order was previously a consistent theme.

Recently QF were saying a decision on PS by end of the year with an order early in the new year. The third PS research flight is on 16 Dec, so arriving in SYD on the 18th, I cant see anything announced until that has been completed

Given they only recently rejected both Boeing and Airbus offers, will likely be delayed as the hold negotiations with all stakeholders.

As for QR, amazing that it is 10 years since they launched their MEL flights. That was a soap opera leading up to it coming to fruition, much in the same style as TK seems to be now. Was hard to tell if they were coming or not, but eventually it occurred.

Things have certainly changed since those days with so many EK, EY and QR flights being launched and frequencies added constantly in some cases (EK in particular). Bilateral restrictions aside, the competitive landscape has recalibrated since then, with the industry continuing to evolve.

qf789 wrote:

mh124 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

BITRE for September out

First numbers on PER-NRT
Inbound LF 63%
Outbound 81%

https://www.bitre.gov.au/publications/o ... y_1909.pdf

Is that a bit suboptimal? QFs loads on BNE-NRT seem to be a fair bit higher (assuming the 297 seat a330) - outbound 75%, inbound 91% for the month. I know its an established route but still...

Trust me once you see the loads from Citilink you will be saying NH is off to a good start, its also worth pointing out NH on SYD-HND the inbound LF into SYD was 67% so I think NH is off to a good start, they also hauled just under 250 tonnes of freight out of PER in the first month

What are the loads on Citilink looking like? I have very low expectations considering they’ve done zero advertising, a quick launch and a god awful schedule.

I’ve always wondered about the feasibility of SUB-PER. Perhaps if LOP proves well for QZ, though obviously the demand will skew in the other direction mainly.

Air Transport Licensing Authority (HK) has issued a 'show cause' why they should not withdraw HX's AOC on the back of their deterioriating financial situation.

Likely to have some impact on VA's HKG flights (with the upcoming MEL-HKG withdrawal), and the repositioning of the remaining SYD-HKG flight towards the VS joint-venture.

https://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/201 ... fontSize=1

Re El Al test flights to MEL, I understand the schedule dates to be as follows:

TLV - MEL
2 April and 23 April

MEL-TLV
4 April and 25 April

These dates coincide with Passover (starting 8 April), which is one of the biggest travel periods to Israel.

QF742 wrote:

Re El Al test flights to MEL, I understand the schedule dates to be as follows:

TLV - MEL
2 April and 23 April

MEL-TLV
4 April and 25 April

These dates coincide with Passover (starting 8 April), which is one of the biggest travel periods to Israel.

I wonder what is the route for El Al flight to MEL as they cannot fly through Indonesia nor Malaysia.

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CityRail wrote:

QF742 wrote:

Re El Al test flights to MEL, I understand the schedule dates to be as follows:

TLV - MEL
2 April and 23 April

MEL-TLV
4 April and 25 April

These dates coincide with Passover (starting 8 April), which is one of the biggest travel periods to Israel.

I wonder what is the route for El Al flight to MEL as they cannot fly through Indonesia nor Malaysia.

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No need to fly that far north. The flight will be entirely over open water from the WA Coast to the Horn of Africa and then up the Red Sea.

There are a few reports of SAA in financial trouble, which has been the case for a few years. However Flight Centre is now decided not to sell SAA tickets.

https://www.ft.com/content/04f30ea8-114 ... 2f231cfeae

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-a ... 2588a90212


So question is, who would pick up the Perth-Joburg flights if they do fall over.

waoz1 wrote:

There are a few reports of SAA in financial trouble, which has been the case for a few years. However Flight Centre is now decided not to sell SAA tickets.

https://www.ft.com/content/04f30ea8-114 ... 2f231cfeae

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-a ... 2588a90212


So question is, who would pick up the Perth-Joburg flights if they do fall over.

QF tried to run PER-JNB but ultimately killed it over disputes they had with the airport regarding which terminal they'd use. I can imagine the absence of SAA on the route being a new reason for QF to get its way, after all, the large South African community in Perth would be without any sort of connection.

I like the idea of NZ175 being extended to JNB, this would also keep Star Alliance on the route and allow NZ to expand into Africa, but I can't think of this being a priority for NZ.

SIA (SQ) could pick up the PER-JNB traffic via SIN if SA does fall over. Neither QF nor VA are expected to enter the PER-JNB route otherwise for reasons previously mentioned for both carriers.

CityRail wrote:

QF742 wrote:

Re El Al test flights to MEL, I understand the schedule dates to be as follows:

TLV - MEL
2 April and 23 April

MEL-TLV
4 April and 25 April

These dates coincide with Passover (starting 8 April), which is one of the biggest travel periods to Israel.

I wonder what is the route for El Al flight to MEL as they cannot fly through Indonesia nor Malaysia.

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I know Malaysia doesn't recognize Israel, so ELAL wouldn't be allowed to fly in Malaysian air space.

I am not too sure about Indonesia, but it may be the same.

Also, one of the other readers has mentioned that it's too far north of a flightpath.

SCFlyer wrote:

SIA (SQ) could pick up the PER-JNB traffic via SIN if SA does fall over. Neither QF nor VA are expected to enter the PER-JNB route otherwise for reasons previously mentioned for both carriers.

Not sure I could see a daily direct service replaced with a service via SIN would almost double the flight time. Even MK would be a better alternate.

Air NZ is interesting, doesn't connect passengers through Perth on SAA?

waoz1 wrote:

SCFlyer wrote:

SIA (SQ) could pick up the PER-JNB traffic via SIN if SA does fall over. Neither QF nor VA are expected to enter the PER-JNB route otherwise for reasons previously mentioned for both carriers.

Not sure I could see a daily direct service replaced with a service via SIN would almost double the flight time. Even MK would be a better alternate.

Air NZ is interesting, doesn't connect passengers through Perth on SAA?

NZ have been on record as saying they won’t do tag on services anymore, and have axed LHR. Can’t see JNB being a core market for Kiwis, not to mention with 789 issues they are struggling to keep the Perth schedule going as is.

I could see QF run BNE-PER-JNB on a 330 international product through customs at first departure port, supports PER as a transit hub. Be curious to see what QF do with SYD-JNB at the end of 2020 also. Still few they need some short term relief via more 789s.

If SAA were to cut Perth QF would jump on it in no time. They were already planning 4x weekly A330 and only stopped it to prove a point to Perth Airport.

I don't see why VA wouldn't necessarily not have a go at PER-JNB in the absence of SA.

qf2220 wrote:

I don't see why VA wouldn't necessarily not have a go at PER-JNB in the absence of SA.

Aircraft constraints? They would need to pull the HKG-SYD 330 in order to operate, which is unlikely with the VS link up and they have just pulled HKG-MEL

qf789 wrote:

smi0006 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

Qatar is closing in on 10 years since launching services to Australia, seems like an announcement is coming regarding celebrations

https://twitter.com/qatarairways/status ... 93920?s=20

On a personal note - I was part of the QR start up team. Incredible to believe it’s been ten years!! Haha makes me slightly old.

It’s the QF PR machine still talking a 2019 announcement for PS? With one month and Xmas left we are two weeks away - despite statements around pricing and EBAs, 2019 for an order was previously a consistent theme.

Recently QF were saying a decision on PS by end of the year with an order early in the new year. The third PS research flight is on 16 Dec, so arriving in SYD on the 18th, I cant see anything announced until that has been completed

I believe that the board meeting, at which the fate of PS will be confirmed, is on December 13.

This is probably unlikely, as there would be contracts still to be signed after the meeting, but it's possible that AJ will step off the aircraft in Sydney to announce their decision. I should add that the main purpose of the 'research' flights is to gain the regulators approval, not to influence the board's decision.

Would be incredibly sad to see SA pull out of PER (or go bust for that matter). Saying that, I got an upgrade to J on a JNB-VFA flight for $50 on check in... not even sure if that money went to the airline or the staff member!

SCFlyer wrote:

SIA (SQ) could pick up the PER-JNB traffic via SIN if SA does fall over. Neither QF nor VA are expected to enter the PER-JNB route otherwise for reasons previously mentioned for both carriers.

Would have thought Ethopia or Kenya would jump on it with Perth to Joburg via Addis Ababa/Nairobi

waoz1 wrote:

There are a few reports of SAA in financial trouble, which has been the case for a few years. However Flight Centre is now decided not to sell SAA tickets.

https://www.ft.com/content/04f30ea8-114 ... 2f231cfeae

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-a ... 2588a90212


So question is, who would pick up the Perth-Joburg flights if they do fall over.

It seems more serious than one travel agent not selling them. My first thought reading your post was that FCTG was playing hard ball over their preferred agreement (wouldn't be the first time).

In actual fact two South African insurance companies have stopped covering flights with SAA because of the risk of insolvency, and this is what prompted FCTG's response. That is pretty damning and could be the straw that finally pushes them into liquidation. When the insurers start bailing that's generally a one way flight to nowhere.

Captdasbomb wrote:

SCFlyer wrote:

SIA (SQ) could pick up the PER-JNB traffic via SIN if SA does fall over. Neither QF nor VA are expected to enter the PER-JNB route otherwise for reasons previously mentioned for both carriers.

Would have thought Ethopia or Kenya would jump on it with Perth to Joburg via Addis Ababa/Nairobi

That would make a lot of sense to me. But of a back track, but also potential for more connections and some EU traffic

waoz1 wrote:

There are a few reports of SAA in financial trouble, which has been the case for a few years. However Flight Centre is now decided not to sell SAA tickets.

https://www.ft.com/content/04f30ea8-114 ... 2f231cfeae

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-a ... 2588a90212


So question is, who would pick up the Perth-Joburg flights if they do fall over.

It'll be a major opportunity for MK to grasp, though the flight schedule may need to be modified a bit for shorter connections in Mauritius on the way to Australia (layover of 2h40min currently) and night flights to JNB introduced(which will also enable connections from SIN/KUL and HKG-which will surely be increased and probably moved to night arrival in Mauritius if ever SA collapses).
Air Mauritius will also have its A350 it leased to SA back then, giving it the full ability to position itself well between South Africa and Australia.
Also, I was wondering if MK could eventually launch flights to Melbourne, given the community of Mauritians and South Africans present there

3BNBE wrote:

waoz1 wrote:

There are a few reports of SAA in financial trouble, which has been the case for a few years. However Flight Centre is now decided not to sell SAA tickets.

https://www.ft.com/content/04f30ea8-114 ... 2f231cfeae

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-a ... 2588a90212


So question is, who would pick up the Perth-Joburg flights if they do fall over.

It'll be a major opportunity for MK to grasp, though the flight schedule may need to be modified a bit for shorter connections in Mauritius on the way to Australia (layover of 2h40min currently) and night flights to JNB introduced(which will also enable connections from SIN/KUL and HKG-which will surely be increased and probably moved to night arrival in Mauritius if ever SA collapses).
Air Mauritius will also have its A350 it leased to SA back then, giving it the full ability to position itself well between South Africa and Australia.
Also, I was wondering if MK could eventually launch flights to Melbourne, given the community of Mauritians and South Africans present there

MK tried MEL previous was never successful, couldn’t see that on the radar anytime soon.

Be interesting how SA pans out, obviously why QF wanted to start flights. Saw an opportunity with a competitor in not the best shape to take advantage

waoz1 wrote:

MK tried MEL previous was never successful, couldn’t see that on the radar anytime soon.

MK stopped MEL together with GVA, BLR, MAA and DUR(where flights have been resumed now) in 2012 when it was in a very bad financial situation and with high kerosene prices and its A340s with a bad product. Now the airline has a more modern fleet and is on the road to recovery. Australia is also being seen as a market to be developed for tourism by Mauritian authorities, which might support MK's operation to Australia (just like it is doing for MK's flights to China)

3BNBE wrote:

waoz1 wrote:

MK tried MEL previous was never successful, couldn’t see that on the radar anytime soon.

MK stopped MEL together with GVA, BLR, MAA and DUR(where flights have been resumed now) in 2012 when it was in a very bad financial situation and with high kerosene prices and its A340s with a bad product. Now the airline has a more modern fleet and is on the road to recovery. Australia is also being seen as a market to be developed for tourism by Mauritian authorities, which might support MK's operation to Australia (just like it is doing for MK's flights to China)

I also think that there is a chance that MK could serve MEL again. MK did serve MEL for quite some time, they had to make drastic cost cutting measures at the time. An A350 will be a lot more economical compared to the A340’s that they used prior. I think that for MK to be successful it will need to offer atleast 3 weekly flights, they operated 1-2 weekly when they served MEL and that was really niche, if they are able to time connections to the rest of Africa well, they could be a lot stronger.

QF are about to have a spare A332 once SYD-PEK gets cut in the new year...

I remember the QF A332 doing AKL-LAX. Of course AA is now covering AKL-LAX on a 789. I think its time for QF to launch SYD-ICN or SYD-BOM. BKK, SIN, CGK, DPS, HKG, PVG & NRT/HND are already covered.

smi0006 wrote:

Captdasbomb wrote:

SCFlyer wrote:

SIA (SQ) could pick up the PER-JNB traffic via SIN if SA does fall over. Neither QF nor VA are expected to enter the PER-JNB route otherwise for reasons previously mentioned for both carriers.

Would have thought Ethopia or Kenya would jump on it with Perth to Joburg via Addis Ababa/Nairobi

That would make a lot of sense to me. But of a back track, but also potential for more connections and some EU traffic

Perth to JFK with a one stop in Addis would be great

End of an era today with the last Qantas 747 passenger service to the US, VH-OEE operating QF73/74 SYD-SFO, as of tomorrow it will be operate by 787-9. Also launching tomorrow is 787-9 service SYD-AKL

qf789 wrote:

End of an era today with the last Qantas 747 passenger service to the US, VH-OEE operating QF73/74 SYD-SFO, as of tomorrow it will be operate by 787-9. Also launching tomorrow is 787-9 service SYD-AKL

Great utilisation with the SYD-AKL-SYD-SFO-SYD loop. Will be a tight 2 hour turnarounds though in NZ & Syd.

qf789 wrote:

End of an era today with the last Qantas 747 passenger service to the US, VH-OEE operating QF73/74 SYD-SFO, as of tomorrow it will be operate by 787-9. Also launching tomorrow is 787-9 service SYD-AKL

When is the next 747 being retired?

x1234 wrote:

I remember the QF A332 doing AKL-LAX. Of course AA is now covering AKL-LAX on a 789. I think its time for QF to launch SYD-ICN or SYD-BOM. BKK, SIN, CGK, DPS, HKG, PVG & NRT/HND are already covered.

Perhaps testing the waters by sending JQ to ICN to start with?

One place I don't know much about, or hear about, is TPE. Thoughts on QF sending an aircraft there, or maybe just stick with the CI codeshare?

There's always MEL-BKK as well it could be used for.

vhebb wrote:

QF are about to have a spare A332 once SYD-PEK gets cut in the new year...

Which will likely be used for TYO once they decide what they are doing.

Don't think anyone mentioned it here so forgive me if someone did. Just saw on airlineroute news feed that VA is:
- Reducing SYD-AKL to 14 weekly from 29 Mar
- Cutting SYD-CHC from 27 Apr
- Resuming MEL-DPS flying 5x weekly from 29 Mar

Source:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... arch-2020/
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-changes/

Michael

myki wrote:

x1234 wrote:

I remember the QF A332 doing AKL-LAX. Of course AA is now covering AKL-LAX on a 789. I think its time for QF to launch SYD-ICN or SYD-BOM. BKK, SIN, CGK, DPS, HKG, PVG & NRT/HND are already covered.

Perhaps testing the waters by sending JQ to ICN to start with?

Has already been announced - JQ49/50 start on Sunday, OOL-ICN. 3x weekly flights - good way for QF/JQ to test the waters or expand their OOL flights to ICN?

https://newsroom.jetstar.com/jetstar-se ... uth-korea/

qf789 wrote:

End of an era today with the last Qantas 747 passenger service to the US, VH-OEE operating QF73/74 SYD-SFO, as of tomorrow it will be operate by 787-9. Also launching tomorrow is 787-9 service SYD-AKL

Such a shame - those QF 744 lined at LAX, and going into SFO we’re so iconic. Spend many hours flying them on MEL/SYD-LAX

But on the flip side - must be significant cost savings on fuel on the US routes now, love to see the network fuel bill to and from the US before and after the 789.

Now we just wait and see for JNB, HND and YVR..... not much time left if they are to meet the 2020 deadline for 744 retirement. I’m still tipping a top up order of 789 one PS is announced.

qf789 wrote:

End of an era today with the last Qantas 747 passenger service to the US, VH-OEE operating QF73/74 SYD-SFO, as of tomorrow it will be operate by 787-9. Also launching tomorrow is 787-9 service SYD-AKL

Not necessarily: there’ll be up to 6 more flights to LAX if QF makes the retirement flights reward flights

HM7 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

End of an era today with the last Qantas 747 passenger service to the US, VH-OEE operating QF73/74 SYD-SFO, as of tomorrow it will be operate by 787-9. Also launching tomorrow is 787-9 service SYD-AKL

Not necessarily: there’ll be up to 6 more flights to LAX if QF makes the retirement flights reward flights

Naughty naughty

Michael

Virgin to suspend ASP-DRW from 29 Jan 20

https://blueswandaily.com/virgin-austra ... e-springs/