Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

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edealinfo · Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:15 pm

This is a very good article that explore the potential viability of New Delhi's upcoming second airport at Jewar. It also explains how GMR lost out on its right of first refusal (ROFR). GMR bid Rs 350 and had to be within 10% of the winning bid to exercise the ROFR. Zurich bid Rs 400 per passenger which means that if GMR had bid just Rs 10 more per passenger, Jewar airport would have also been in their kitty. Zurich thus bid just the perfect amount so as to win the bid without overpaying too much.

https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 880_1.html

edealinfo · Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:21 pm

Blow to AirAsia India, COO Sanjay Kumar quits
What does he know that we don't?

Read more at:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... 303309.cms?

edealinfo · Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:24 pm

Passenger asked to operate IndiGo flight as visibility drops ..

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/bus ... 313106.cms

edealinfo · Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:29 pm

On time performance (OTP) of Air India has remained below 60 per cent at four metro airports of Bengaluru, Delhi, Hyderabad and Mumbai (see chart). Compared to this, private airlines have logged over 70 per cent with Air Asia India, GoAir and IndiGo clocking nearly 80 per cent OTP.

https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscroll ... rs/1674593

sibibom · Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:42 am

edealinfo wrote:
Passenger asked to operate IndiGo flight as visibility drops ..

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/bus ... 313106.cms

errr.....CAT III-trained captain flying as passenger asked to operate IndiGo flight as visibility drops at IGI Airport...huge difference...

maint123 · Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:47 am

sibibom wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
Passenger asked to operate IndiGo flight as visibility drops ..

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/bus ... 313106.cms

errr.....CAT III-trained captain flying as passenger asked to operate IndiGo flight as visibility drops at IGI Airport...huge difference...

The flight took off after the cat3 pilot was tested for alcohol level. Wasn't a mid air changeover.

zionite · Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:16 am

edealinfo wrote:
Passenger asked to operate IndiGo flight as visibility drops ..

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/bus ... 313106.cms

I hope you are not a reporter in the garbage news channels in India. Please edit the post.

The Passenger was a fully trained CAT-IIIB certified Captain of the same airline.

unnayan · Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:37 am

If i read this correctly none of 6E, SG or UK have managed to get slots at LHR for S20

https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/uploa ... -FINAL.pdf

edealinfo · Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:14 pm

unnayan wrote:
If i read this correctly none of 6E, SG or UK have managed to get slots at LHR for S20

https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/uploa ... -FINAL.pdf

Thanks for sharing. So, which non-Indian airlines won the "lottery" and for which routes?

unnayan · Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:41 pm

edealinfo wrote:
unnayan wrote:
If i read this correctly none of 6E, SG or UK have managed to get slots at LHR for S20

https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/uploa ... -FINAL.pdf

Thanks for sharing. So, which non-Indian airlines won the "lottery" and for which routes?

Norwegian applied for 14 slots, had 0 and got 6, Shenzhen had 4, requested 14 and got 6, Turkmenistan lost its 2 slots, Tunis Air lost 6 of its 8 slots

edealinfo · Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:01 pm

unnayan wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
unnayan wrote:
If i read this correctly none of 6E, SG or UK have managed to get slots at LHR for S20

https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/uploa ... -FINAL.pdf

Thanks for sharing. So, which non-Indian airlines won the "lottery" and for which routes?

Norwegian applied for 14 slots, had 0 and got 6, Shenzhen had 4, requested 14 and got 6, Turkmenistan lost its 2 slots, Tunis Air lost 6 of its 8 slots

Thanks. So, now that Vistara has ruled out LHR, where are they going to deploy their 4 787s that are in almost ready to be delivered but as are waiting for Vistara to pick it up? Will Vistara postpone delivery? But surely, significant funds must already been transmitted to Boeinh who takes more and more of the price as an aircraft goes through its production phase. Whose losing out on the locked capital invested? Vistara, the lessors?

binayak · Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:13 pm

Does anyone know what is the criteria for slot allocation at LHR ?
Is it that new airlines and destinations are given more preference ?

YouGeeElWhy · Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:50 pm

edealinfo wrote:
unnayan wrote:
edealinfo wrote:

Thanks for sharing. So, which non-Indian airlines won the "lottery" and for which routes?

Norwegian applied for 14 slots, had 0 and got 6, Shenzhen had 4, requested 14 and got 6, Turkmenistan lost its 2 slots, Tunis Air lost 6 of its 8 slots

Thanks. So, now that Vistara has ruled out LHR, where are they going to deploy their 4 787s that are in almost ready to be delivered but as are waiting for Vistara to pick it up? Will Vistara postpone delivery? But surely, significant funds must already been transmitted to Boeinh who takes more and more of the price as an aircraft goes through its production phase. Whose losing out on the locked capital invested? Vistara, the lessors?

UK can make it work from LGW.

edealinfo · Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:16 pm

YouGeeElWhy wrote:
UK can make it work from LGW.

In what way? UK collborates with BA which has most connecting flights to Europe, UK, and N. America through LHR not LGW.

trinidadeG · Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:20 pm

edealinfo wrote:
Thanks. So, now that Vistara has ruled out LHR, where are they going to deploy their 4 787s that are in almost ready to be delivered but as are waiting for Vistara to pick it up? Will Vistara postpone delivery?

There has been an ominous silence about those 4 Dream)liners lately... Is Vistara taking them at all??

YouGeeElWhy · Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:10 pm

edealinfo wrote:
YouGeeElWhy wrote:
UK can make it work from LGW.

In what way? UK collborates with BA which has most connecting flights to Europe, UK, and N. America through LHR not LGW.

BA is not going to send connections on from North America onto UX when BA has planes to fill going to India. Their relationship is one of convenience, if they get competitive (flying same route) you’d think that might change.

Either way it is a moot point. UX has to make it work from LGW.

edealinfo · Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:11 pm

Vistara rules out non-stop flights to the US as the CEO indicates that they will fly the 787-9 only to destinations that are "within 11 hours of flying time".

https://www.ndtv.com/business/vistara-a ... es-2141486

edealinfo · Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:15 pm

Fog affects BLR flights yet again with indigo alone cancelling 44 flights. Situation could improve when BLR opens its CAT III capable brand new runway effective Dec 5, 2019. Of course, for CAT III B to truly effective, the aircraft must be certified for its and pilots need to get special certification.

https://www.newindianexpress.com/cities ... 69717.html

RainerBoeing777 · Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:34 am

We arrived in December and no Indian airline has ruled through the Haneda slot that these businesses have bad business, but why did they give slots to India? if you are not going to use it, but better give those slots to Switzerland or the Netherlands

edealinfo · Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:45 am

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
We arrived in December and no Indian airline has ruled through the Haneda slot that these businesses have bad business, but why did they give slots to India? if you are not going to use it, but better give those slots to Switzerland or the Netherlands

Neither the Netherlands nor Switzerland have anything close to the 1.3 billion people that India has. India is among the 10th largest industrial nations in the world with a GDP that far exceeds that of the Netherlands and Switzerland, combined.

India's private carriers are slowly developing and in about 5 years will begin to show its muscle.

The Haneda slot cannot be considered as wasted as yet as Vistara (a 5 year old Indian airline) has already stated that it plans to start service to Tokyo from New Delhi although they haven't indicated whether that would be Haneda or Narita. Have you reason to believe it won't be Haneda?

avier · Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:53 am

GoAir will soon overtake Air India in domestic market share.

So for those who refer to GoAir as too small, may have to reconsider the way they refer to the airline.

edealinfo · Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:35 pm

According to this article, indigo has abandoned its low cost model

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbctv ... 61.htm/amp

unnayan · Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:27 am

Swedish King & Queen fly AI from Stockholm to Delhi after their aircraft developed snag...

https://www.newindianexpress.com/world/ ... 70258.html

vadodara · Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:47 pm

Imphal-Mandalay Flights

https://www.google.com/amp/s/indianexpress.com/article/north-east-india/manipur/manipur-imphal-mandalay-flight-service-commences/lite/

edealinfo · Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:17 pm

For December, Flights to Europe and US are 3 times more than what it was last year.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesn ... ket/522365

aarbee · Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:46 pm

edealinfo wrote:
Passenger asked to operate IndiGo flight as visibility drops ..

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/bus ... 313106.cms

This is so misleading.

Reads as if some random passenger was asked. As the article headline says CAT-IIIB trained pilot and per the contents, proper procedure followed.

edealinfo · Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:04 pm

Indigo capacity to be constrained because of DGCA order
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.economic ... 372355.cms

lightsaber · Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:36 pm

edealinfo wrote:
For December, Flights to Europe and US are 3 times more than what it was last year.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesn ... ket/522365

We know the fares last year were a price war with inverted yield (late purchases were discounted).

https://www.ndtv.com/business/jet-airwa ... il-1958732

On 6 December 2018: Jet Airways is offering up to 30 per cent discount on select domestic and international flight tickets under a special year-end sale, noted the carrier on its official website- jetairways.com

Normally, fares go up within 6 weeks of busy season. Now fares are 205% to 250% of last year (105% to 150% increase, the numbers aren't a tripling). Anything less than a 50% increase is not viable due to last year's panic selling by Jet and AI. It was a bloodbath.

There is a shortage of capacity. The supply/demand will correct with Vistara's 789s and AI activating widebodies.

Lightsaber

edealinfo · Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:47 am

lightsaber wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
For December, Flights to Europe and US are 3 times more than what it was last year.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesn ... ket/522365

We know the fares last year were a price war with inverted yield (late purchases were discounted).

https://www.ndtv.com/business/jet-airwa ... il-1958732

On 6 December 2018: Jet Airways is offering up to 30 per cent discount on select domestic and international flight tickets under a special year-end sale, noted the carrier on its official website- jetairways.com

Normally, fares go up within 6 weeks of busy season. Now fares are 205% to 250% of last year (105% to 150% increase, the numbers aren't a tripling). Anything less than a 50% increase is not viable due to last year's panic selling by Jet and AI. It was a bloodbath.

There is a shortage of capacity. The supply/demand will correct with Vistara's 789s and AI activating widebodies.

Lightsaber

I appreciate the perspective

edealinfo · Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:13 am

Vistara gets Rs 600-crore boost from promoters

https://www.financialexpress.com/indust ... s/1784845/

More flights to Goa, Varanasi this winter! GoAir announces 22 new flights

https://www.financialexpress.com/lifest ... s/1783913/

TryToFlySomeday · Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:21 pm

edealinfo wrote:
Vistara rules out non-stop flights to the US as the CEO indicates that they will fly the 787-9 only to destinations that are "within 11 hours of flying time".

https://www.ndtv.com/business/vistara-a ... es-2141486

That's too bad. My future cousin-in-law is from India and would love having a nonstop option from ORD that isn't AI.

Though personally I would bet Vistara would start LGW-DEL first before JFK/ORD-DEL.

In other news, DL is flying JFK-BOM starting this month.

edealinfo · Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:58 pm

Single GDS Fails To Up Air India’s Pie in Sky

http://www.newspatrolling.com/single-gd ... ie-in-sky/

edealinfo · Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:58 pm

Single GDS Fails To Up Air India’s Pie in Sky

http://www.newspatrolling.com/single-gd ... ie-in-sky/

edealinfo · Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:44 am

Low Cost Long Haul: Can Indigo succeed where so many have failed?
https://www.bangaloreaviation.com/2019/ ... ailed.html

The initial slot coordination report for Summer 2020 confirms IndiGo has been allocated 14 slots each at London Gatwick and Stansted airports. IndiGo has also been allocated 28 weekly slots at Manchester.

edealinfo · Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:12 am

Air India posts highest net loss of Rs 8,556 crore in FY19

https://www.cnbctv18.com/aviation/air-i ... 824741.htm

VTORD · Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:49 am

UAL104 is on it's way to DEL!
https://www.flightradar24.com/UAL104/2316b9aa

edealinfo · Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:51 am

VTORD wrote:
UAL104 is on it's way to DEL!
https://www.flightradar24.com/UAL104/2316b9aa

is the flight full?

airboss787 · Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:16 am

edealinfo wrote:
VTORD wrote:
UAL104 is on it's way to DEL!
https://www.flightradar24.com/UAL104/2316b9aa

is the flight full?

Based on what I know, may not be true but quite likely it is, yes 100% full in both classes.

edealinfo · Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:02 pm

Flight is full
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.timesofi ... 397766.cms

binayak · Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:35 pm

edealinfo wrote:
Flight is full
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.timesofi ... 397766.cms

economy plus costs about $150-200 more and business starts at 2.2 lakh

Read more at:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... aign=cppst

Is it just me or 2.2 lakh ($3086) quite less from airline's point of view given that such ULH business routes have J fares $8000-$10000 or $7000 atleast? If that's the case , filling the flight is not a great achievement .

VTORD · Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:52 pm

binayak wrote:

Is it just me or 2.2 lakh ($3086) quite less from airline's point of view given that such ULH business routes have J fares $8000-$10000 or $7000 atleast? If that's the case , filling the flight is not a great achievement .

I would take anything ToI writes with a entire bucket of salt. . It's low - at least $2,000 off and so is 65,200 ($914) for Y! That's dirt cheap. And a lot less than what AI usually charges on this flight. It could be introductory sale.And we haven't really gotten into the holiday rush yet....that will happen in about 2 weeks...it will be interesting to see what those people paid.

A non-peak time fare search from SFO - DEL (02/01 - 02/22) yields a min Y at $1600 and min J at $6100 RT. This is for UA104/105 only.

edealinfo · Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:28 pm

Maybe TOI meant one way fare

edealinfo · Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:15 pm

Could Air India Fly A Boeing 787 To Washington D.C.?

The article questions the technical capabilities of the aircraft to perform this route stage length.

https://simpleflying.com/air-india-dc-787/

binayak · Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:52 pm

edealinfo wrote:
Maybe TOI meant one way fare

Even one-way fares are near the amount I had stated .

VTORD wrote:
binayak wrote:

Is it just me or 2.2 lakh ($3086) quite less from airline's point of view given that such ULH business routes have J fares $8000-$10000 or $7000 atleast? If that's the case , filling the flight is not a great achievement .

I would take anything ToI writes with a entire bucket of salt. . It's low - at least $2,000 off and so is 65,200 ($914) for Y! That's dirt cheap. And a lot less than what AI usually charges on this flight. It could be introductory sale.And we haven't really gotten into the holiday rush yet....that will happen in about 2 weeks...it will be interesting to see what those people paid.

A non-peak time fare search from SFO - DEL (02/01 - 02/22) yields a min Y at $1600 and min J at $6100 RT. This is for UA104/105 only.

Even I think it's a misinformation by TOI (as usual) . US-India won't require introductory sale during winter months , at least not in such a high business route .
UA silently sent their new polaris J seats equipped 772 in EWR DEL today .

edealinfo · Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:51 pm

SpiceJet pilots can’t stay away from the booze

https://www.travelpulse.com/news/airlin ... tests.html

edealinfo · Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:53 pm

SpiceJet pilot unable to have his spice with colleague on a layover

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.timesofi ... 409938.cms

edealinfo · Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:56 pm

Bombardier aims to double fleet size in India. Part of the strategy is to squeeze more seats into the aircraft and lo and behold , SpiceJet is all ears

https://livingstonledger.com/bombardier ... executive/

VTORD · Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:53 pm

^^ This looks like a recycled article from pre-2017. The C-series has been the A220 for a while now.

edealinfo · Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:40 pm

VTORD wrote:
^^ This looks like a recycled article from pre-2017. The C-series has been the A220 for a while now.

True, but all the new Bombardier Q-400 aircraft are coming in to SpiceJet with a more seats than previously

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