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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:42 pm

More Indian tourists want to visit Phuket but limited airport slots make it impossible
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/as ... s-12076218
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:30 pm

Curious to know what Air India's take on this. I'd (most other people as well) personally prefer to connect on Vistara over Air India. Image

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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:45 pm

Etihad refuses to extend ex-Jet Airways LHR slots to Air Serbia for Summer of 2020. Does this mean that Etihad is now planning to lease it to Vistara? Etihad can presumably make a lot more money leasing it out to Vistara which can operate a wide body as opposed to a narrow body currently operated by Air Serbia.

The above is speculation of course caused by my overactive brain.
What’s your take?

https://www.exyuaviation.com/2019/12/he ... t-for.html?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:08 pm

Flywithus wrote:
Curious to know what Air India's take on this. I'd (most other people as well) personally prefer to connect on Vistara over Air India. Image

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I thought this was there since quite some time.

My aunt booked her DFW-FRA-DEL-AMD return flight some 2 months ago and flew back home yesterday. Her friend was on AUS-FRA-DEL-AMD.

DFW-DEL and AUS-DEL were on Lufthansa while DEL-AMD was on Vistara.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:11 pm

zionite wrote:
Flywithus wrote:
Curious to know what Air India's take on this. I'd (most other people as well) personally prefer to connect on Vistara over Air India. Image

Sent from my SM-N950F using Tapatalk

I thought this was there since quite some time.

My aunt booked her DFW-FRA-DEL-AMD return flight some 2 months ago and flew back home yesterday. Her friend was on AUS-FRA-DEL-AMD.

DFW-DEL and AUS-DEL were on Lufthansa while DEL-AMD was on Vistara.
It was an interline so far. Now LH will put their code on UK flights and possibly add mileage earning as well.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:11 pm

Kannur airport operates at only 15 percent of capacity as Government ties Kannur’s hands behind its back by refusing to name it as a port of call in foreign bilaterals
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newind ... 073372.amp
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:10 pm

Impressive and the United States, Filandia, Scandinavia, Russia, Italy, Turkey, China and Australia have already published all their routes to Haneda, JAL and ANA have already announced all their routes, now because the Indian airlines are so uninterested in operating in Haneda, We are already in December and none has shown the interest of any route I still think it was better to give the slot to another country than if you are going to take advantage of it, in Australia VA I fight to get the slot to HND, and these Indian airlines NOTHING!


Impressed is the silence of Air India (AI) has not made any press publication of being interested in operating in Haneda, until now only Vistara, I still do not understand why they are taking too long
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:08 pm

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
Impressive and the United States, Filandia, Scandinavia, Russia, Italy, Turkey, China and Australia have already published all their routes to Haneda, JAL and ANA have already announced all their routes, now because the Indian airlines are so uninterested in operating in Haneda, We are already in December and none has shown the interest of any route I still think it was better to give the slot to another country than if you are going to take advantage of it, in Australia VA I fight to get the slot to HND, and these Indian airlines NOTHING!


Impressed is the silence of Air India (AI) has not made any press publication of being interested in operating in Haneda, until now only Vistara, I still do not understand why they are taking too long


India has a notorious bureaucracy. what takes 1 month in Japanese time translates to 6 months in Indian time.

The Indians are always late to the party. That’s why India hasn’t progressed as much as it potentially could.

The British left India its bureaucracy and India magnified it.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:28 pm

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
Impressive and the United States, Filandia, Scandinavia, Russia, Italy, Turkey, China and Australia have already published all their routes to Haneda, JAL and ANA have already announced all their routes, now because the Indian airlines are so uninterested in operating in Haneda, We are already in December and none has shown the interest of any route I still think it was better to give the slot to another country than if you are going to take advantage of it, in Australia VA I fight to get the slot to HND, and these Indian airlines NOTHING!


Impressed is the silence of Air India (AI) has not made any press publication of being interested in operating in Haneda, until now only Vistara, I still do not understand why they are taking too long


Regardless of the Indian bureaucracy, if the knuckleheads at Vistara let go of this golden opportunity for Haneda slots, they have only themselves to blame.

Having said that, it is very gracious of Japan to offer Haneda slots to India presumably in recognition of the deep ties and India’s large population (passing over other countries). Did India even request the slots?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:21 am

Seriously? Air Malta planning for India (immigration?) 4 years from now.

>>>>
Air Malta plans to introduce two Airbus A321XLRs to its fleet in 2024 enabling the airline to launch its first long-haul services.

“An India connection is important if the local economy is to continue to grow,” Air Malta chairman Charles Mangion told ATW on the sidelines of the CAPA World Aviation Outlook Summit in Malta Dec. 5. “We need more people.
>>>>

https://atwonline.com/airports-routes/a ... rvice-2024
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:54 am

For Singapore Airlines, Australia – India is #1 country-pair

Very good analysis

What are Indian carriers doing about it? Will Vistara turn a blind eye because their potential service to Australia could impact their parent Singapore Airlines?

https://www.anna.aero/2019/12/09/singap ... jakarta-1/
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:09 am

edealinfo wrote:
For Singapore Airlines, Australia – India is #1 country-pair

Very good analysis

What are Indian carriers doing about it? Will Vistara turn a blind eye because their potential service to Australia could impact their parent Singapore Airlines?

https://www.anna.aero/2019/12/09/singap ... jakarta-1/
UX said they will fly from DEL and will do up to 11 hour flights so that cuts out SYD/MEL.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:11 am

TEMPO wrote:
Seriously? Air Malta planning for India (immigration?) 4 years from now.

Flying on a single isle plane from DEL to JFK sounds like a great time.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:38 pm

The Pied Pier (Synergy) gets more time beyond Dec 16 to submit a bid for Jet Airways.

What can I say??????? Caliguy has been quiet for a very long time. I am sure you can’t wait to speak up

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/bankruptc ... evamp-plan
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:46 pm

Air Asia India gets 466 crore inclusion despite Government not yet approving their plans to fly internationally
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.financ ... 9200/lite/
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:52 pm

CAPA report ;Air Serbia and Etihad Airways agree on return of London Heathrow slots
Will Vistara note?

Will someone with a subscription provide a summary?

https://centreforaviation.com/news/air- ... ort-961453
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:03 pm

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbctv ... 81.htm/amp

Why Lufthansa dumped Air India for a marriage with Vistara
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:13 pm

AI IAD flight going 788 to free 77W for LHR. Will this be the world's longest bidirectional nonstop 788 flight?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:49 pm

edealinfo wrote:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbctv18.com/aviation/why-lufthansa-chose-vistara-over-air-india-for-codeshare-pact-on-domestic-routes-4845081.htm/amp

Why Lufthansa dumped Air India for a marriage with Vistara


Remember Jet was partnered with like everyone. At one point they had FF relationships and codeshares with AA, UA and DL! I see the same happening with Vistara. Jet reluctantly dropped AA and UA when DL/AF/KL basically offered them cheap seat between the EU and US. I am willing to bet once Vistara starts long haul the same thing will happen again. The question is with whom will Vistara partner with. Looking at the majors - AA/BA just lost LATAM and are strong out of India (face saving play of doubling down on India after losing a bit in latin Am, UA/LH are probably #1 out of India going to the EU/US (so more of a defensive play) and DL/AF/KL need an Indian carrier the most because they have the weakest brands locally in India plus AA & UA are stronger in US cities with large Indian populations. Let's see will be interesting.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:38 pm

CaliguyNYC wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbctv18.com/aviation/why-lufthansa-chose-vistara-over-air-india-for-codeshare-pact-on-domestic-routes-4845081.htm/amp

Why Lufthansa dumped Air India for a marriage with Vistara


Remember Jet was partnered with like everyone. At one point they had FF relationships and codeshares with AA, UA and DL! I see the same happening with Vistara. Jet reluctantly dropped AA and UA when DL/AF/KL basically offered them cheap seat between the EU and US. I am willing to bet once Vistara starts long haul the same thing will happen again. The question is with whom will Vistara partner with. Looking at the majors - AA/BA just lost LATAM and are strong out of India (face saving play of doubling down on India after losing a bit in latin Am, UA/LH are probably #1 out of India going to the EU/US (so more of a defensive play) and DL/AF/KL need an Indian carrier the most because they have the weakest brands locally in India plus AA & UA are stronger in US cities with large Indian populations. Let's see will be interesting.


Thanks for your perspective. It is also great to have you back on, and hope you will chime in on the posts as it’s what gets us going.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:07 am

Does anybody know when will number of fourth quarter traffic by Indian Aviation will be available for persual ? From whatever little I have been reading off-late seems the numbers would be dismal but would be nice to have some stats. if somebody knows.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:14 am

TEMPO wrote:
Seriously? Air Malta planning for India (immigration?) 4 years from now.

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Air Malta plans to introduce two Airbus A321XLRs to its fleet in 2024 enabling the airline to launch its first long-haul services.

“An India connection is important if the local economy is to continue to grow,” Air Malta chairman Charles Mangion told ATW on the sidelines of the CAPA World Aviation Outlook Summit in Malta Dec. 5. “We need more people.
>>>>

https://atwonline.com/airports-routes/a ... rvice-2024


By immigration (Question mark?) are you saying Malta wants more Indians ? Looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malta , the only good thing about it seems to be it is part of EU. Did see the bit about citizen rights for about 650,000 Euros for people looking at citizenship

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... itizenship

Perhaps they are looking to have a piece of the pie of the 23k dollar millionaires which are leaving or have left countries in the last couple of years due to issues happening in India ?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:46 pm

pune wrote:
TEMPO wrote:
Seriously? Air Malta planning for India (immigration?) 4 years from now.


By immigration (Question mark?) are you saying Malta wants more Indians ? Looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malta , the only good thing about it seems to be it is part of EU. Did see the bit about citizen rights for about 650,000 Euros for people looking at citizenship

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... itizenship

Perhaps they are looking to have a piece of the pie of the 23k dollar millionaires which are leaving or have left countries in the last couple of years due to issues happening in India ?


I was puzzled by the “We need more people” quote in the article. Given current EU laws, open immigration isn’t possible, and I doubt that dollar millionaires will want to fly an Airbus 321 to buy their way into Malta. I’m not sure what the Air Malta chairman was saying.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:05 pm

TEMPO wrote:

<snipped>

I was puzzled by the “We need more people” quote in the article. Given current EU laws, open immigration isn’t possible, and I doubt that dollar millionaires will want to fly an Airbus 321 to buy their way into Malta. I’m not sure what the Air Malta chairman was saying.


I am/was puzzled by the same. Maybe he meant by short-medium contract workers like Saudi Arabia and other Gulf countries are doing for Indians, albeit slowly so. Unless the Air Malta Chairman clarifies what he meant it to be, I guess we are stuck by that statement :(
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:21 pm

edealinfo wrote:
The Pied Pier (Synergy) gets more time beyond Dec 16 to submit a bid for Jet Airways.

What can I say??????? Caliguy has been quiet for a very long time. I am sure you can’t wait to speak up

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/bankruptc ... evamp-plan


What is there to respond about this? The process makes zero sense to me. As predicted, Jet closed and the GOI recouped zero...zero. All the tax payer money invested via government owned banks is lost. Jai Hind.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:27 pm

pune wrote:
TEMPO wrote:
Seriously? Air Malta planning for India (immigration?) 4 years from now.

>>>>
Air Malta plans to introduce two Airbus A321XLRs to its fleet in 2024 enabling the airline to launch its first long-haul services.

“An India connection is important if the local economy is to continue to grow,” Air Malta chairman Charles Mangion told ATW on the sidelines of the CAPA World Aviation Outlook Summit in Malta Dec. 5. “We need more people.
>>>>

https://atwonline.com/airports-routes/a ... rvice-2024


By immigration (Question mark?) are you saying Malta wants more Indians ? Looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malta , the only good thing about it seems to be it is part of EU. Did see the bit about citizen rights for about 650,000 Euros for people looking at citizenship

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... itizenship

Perhaps they are looking to have a piece of the pie of the 23k dollar millionaires which are leaving or have left countries in the last couple of years due to issues happening in India ?


So I have relatives in Malta. There has been a small Sindhi community there for a century. I don't think Malta could ever be the destination for a ton of immigrants (to justify a daily flight). I think India is just seen as a natural destination when looking east - both are English speaking, Indian tourists spend money, India lacks many nonstops to the us, etc. And sure, could there be some immigration or labor traffic, yeah (and again given Indians have been in Malta for so long, India is probably seen as a natural source vs some other countries). This is just all speculation. I have no knowledge of what he meant.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:21 am

NCLT to call DGCA's bluff of "temporary" allocation of ex-Jet slots

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/ec ... 276245.ece
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:25 am

Double-digit growth returns as India air passenger traffic grows 11.2% on year

GoAir remained the most punctual airline for the fourteenth month in a row by being on-time on 67.6 percent of occasions.
(So most punctual in India means being on time only 68% of the time??????????????; why don't the airlines create more buffers?)


IndiGo’s PLF expanded to 91.4 percent in November in comparison to 85.1 percent in October

https://www.cnbctv18.com/aviation/doubl ... 864371.htm
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:26 am

Air India was due to be operationally profitable the coming year. So what happened?

https://www.cnbctv18.com/aviation/air-i ... 361721.htm
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:27 am

GoAir resumes flights to Maldives from Mumbai, Delhi, and Bengaluru

https://www.cnbctv18.com/aviation/goair ... 850461.htm
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:50 am

edealinfo wrote:
Air India was due to be operationally profitable the coming year. So what happened?

https://www.cnbctv18.com/aviation/air-i ... 361721.htm


Not sure about this year, but last year, I am pretty sure I read that they were operationally profitable. AIX was profitable on a net basis but AI was on an operational basis.
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:39 am

does anybody know what is happening about delhi airport, the people mover or the airport express ? Can anybody share any updates on that ? I did come to know about this

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tra ... 167997.cms

I had gone last year and had to get off at aerocity and then take the bus from aerocity to the airport for domestic air travel. It would have been far better if was able to enter into the airport premises without using the bus. Would have made more revenue for the metro as well as number of domestic passengers will be far more than international ones for sure (volume-wise) .

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 301017.cms
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:20 am

pune wrote:
does anybody know what is happening about delhi airport, the people mover or the airport express ? Can anybody share any updates on that ? I did come to know about this

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tra ... 167997.cms

I had gone last year and had to get off at aerocity and then take the bus from aerocity to the airport for domestic air travel. It would have been far better if was able to enter into the airport premises without using the bus. Would have made more revenue for the metro as well as number of domestic passengers will be far more than international ones for sure (volume-wise) .

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 301017.cms


T1 has its own metro now, the purple line from Janakpuri. Moreover, 6E and SG operate domestic flights from T1,T2 & T3. I don't see any people mover coming. On a side note, India has so many unemployed people who would love to be drivers. Where's the need for automated people movers at all?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:41 pm

GoAir commences services to Dammam, a new destination in its network. Will operate on Kannur - Dammam x4 weekly.

https://m.economictimes.com/industry/tr ... 529624.cms
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:54 pm

It seems like Go Air has consistently selected Kannur over Mangaluru for establishing flights from that area. In fact Go AIr has not even a single flight to Mangaluru, for which the only carriers are SpiceJet and Indigo which are enjoying their duopoly. I am surprised that AIr Asia didn’t try to get into the Balngalore to Mangaluru run which has about 10 daily flights.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:14 pm

SG grounds 737 frieghter after defects found...

https://www.cnbctv18.com/aviation/spice ... 41.htm/amp
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:01 pm

Air India mulls launching Mumbai-London Stansted service
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/air-india-mulls-launching-mumbai-london-stansted-service/articleshow/72681245.cms

Air India in this week’s schedule update extended capacity increase for London Heathrow service into summer 2020 season. From 29MAR20, Boeing 777-300ER will continue to operate flights from Delhi and Mumbai, 1 daily each.

Delhi – London Heathrow eff 29MAR20 AI111/112 777-300ER continues to operate 1 daily, replacing 787-8
AI161 DEL0245 – 0730LHR 788 D
AI111 DEL1400 – 1900LHR 77W D

AI162 LHR0945 – 2250DEL 788 D
AI112 LHR2130 – 1040+1DEL 77W D

Mumbai – London Heathrow eff 29MAR20 777-300ER continues to operate 1 daily, replacing 787-8
AI131 BOM0630 – 1130LHR 77W D
AI130 LHR1315 – 0245+1BOM 77W D

Air India in this week’s schedule update filed service increase for Delhi – Toronto service, for summer 2020 season. From 29MAR20, the airline will operate this route on daily basis, increasing from existing 3 weekly flights.

Boeing 777-300ER operates this route.

AI187 DEL0300 – 0845YYZ 77W D
AI188 YYZ1215 – 1215+1DEL 77W D
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:31 pm

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Air India in this week’s schedule update filed service increase for Delhi – Toronto service, for summer 2020 season. From 29MAR20, the airline will operate this route on daily basis, increasing from existing 3 weekly flights.


Wow, another non stop doing well. This might imply that that Indians now place more value on their time, rather than service ona more reputable carrier, which offers 1-stop service to India via Europe or the Gulf.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:33 pm

Bangalore's "aero-city" awaits clearance to take wings.

https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/p ... nce-114067
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:47 pm

edealinfo wrote:
It seems like Go Air has consistently selected Kannur over Mangaluru for establishing flights from that area. In fact Go AIr has not even a single flight to Mangaluru, for which the only carriers are SpiceJet and Indigo which are enjoying their duopoly. I am surprised that AIr Asia didn’t try to get into the Balngalore to Mangaluru run which has about 10 daily flights.


Can someone shed some light on the relatively new Kannur Airport and the market it serves. Also why has GoAir selected the airport for much of its international expansion (I believe the only airline offering such services)?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:34 pm

Nileblue wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
It seems like Go Air has consistently selected Kannur over Mangaluru for establishing flights from that area. In fact Go AIr has not even a single flight to Mangaluru, for which the only carriers are SpiceJet and Indigo which are enjoying their duopoly. I am surprised that AIr Asia didn’t try to get into the Balngalore to Mangaluru run which has about 10 daily flights.


Can someone shed some light on the relatively new Kannur Airport and the market it serves. Also why has GoAir selected the airport for much of its international expansion (I believe the only airline offering such services)?


For decades Mangaluru served as the Indian airport serving the very north of Kerala for flights to the Gulf. Kannur now is tapping into the market. You can see how much traffic Mangaluru lost......to Kannur’s gain. GoAir cleverly tapped into the potential and has zero competition. Kannur would be even bigger if the Government gives foreign carriers the right to fly there but there is no chance with a communist state government and a nationist federal government
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:01 pm

killswitch13 wrote:

Does anyone have insights on how the ATQ flight is doing? I am curious to know what the reasoning behind using STN v LGW is. STN has to have a lot of leakage to LHR for these flights to work.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:37 pm

edealinfo wrote:
killswitch13 wrote:
Air India in this week’s schedule update filed service increase for Delhi – Toronto service, for summer 2020 season. From 29MAR20, the airline will operate this route on daily basis, increasing from existing 3 weekly flights.


Wow, another non stop doing well. This might imply that that Indians now place more value on their time, rather than service ona more reputable carrier, which offers 1-stop service to India via Europe or the Gulf.


Yup they just needed to experience A nonstop plus the travel agent network in india is still strong pushing the old way. People want and should get choice. As a delta flyer I like that I now have the nonstop JFK-BOM, AF and KL with traditional JFK-EU-BOM flights that arrive bom at midnight and then VS’s option to arrive BOM at 11am. My mom really appreciates the choice because she wants the 11am arrival into BOM so she can open our flat at a normal hour
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:49 pm

edealinfo wrote:
Nileblue wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
It seems like Go Air has consistently selected Kannur over Mangaluru for establishing flights from that area. In fact Go AIr has not even a single flight to Mangaluru, for which the only carriers are SpiceJet and Indigo which are enjoying their duopoly. I am surprised that AIr Asia didn’t try to get into the Balngalore to Mangaluru run which has about 10 daily flights.


Can someone shed some light on the relatively new Kannur Airport and the market it serves. Also why has GoAir selected the airport for much of its international expansion (I believe the only airline offering such services)?


For decades Mangaluru served as the Indian airport serving the very north of Kerala for flights to the Gulf. Kannur now is tapping into the market. You can see how much traffic Mangaluru lost......to Kannur’s gain. GoAir cleverly tapped into the potential and has zero competition. Kannur would be even bigger if the Government gives foreign carriers the right to fly there but there is no chance with a communist state government and a nationist federal government


Thanks. So is Kannur a more convenient airport to serve Northern Kerala compared to Mangalore or do they both have distinctive catchment areas? Why haven’t other Indian carriers launched international operations? Are facilities limited?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:15 pm

Nileblue wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
Nileblue wrote:

Can someone shed some light on the relatively new Kannur Airport and the market it serves. Also why has GoAir selected the airport for much of its international expansion (I believe the only airline offering such services)?


For decades Mangaluru served as the Indian airport serving the very north of Kerala for flights to the Gulf. Kannur now is tapping into the market. You can see how much traffic Mangaluru lost......to Kannur’s gain. GoAir cleverly tapped into the potential and has zero competition. Kannur would be even bigger if the Government gives foreign carriers the right to fly there but there is no chance with a communist state government and a nationist federal government


Thanks. So is Kannur a more convenient airport to serve Northern Kerala compared to Mangalore or do they both have distinctive catchment areas? Why haven’t other Indian carriers launched international operations? Are facilities limited?


I think they have different catchment areas. I can’t see anyone living in Mangaluru heading to Kannur to catch a flight unless the fare is substantially different.

Kannur presumably has good facilities as it is a brand new airport. The gulf carriers are very interested in starting service to Kannur ( but then they are keen to Sarabeth service to most airports in India, anyway). The government should allow the gulf carriers at least one daily flight per country, if they wish the airport to succeed. Otherwise, it will plateau at its current 15 percent of capacity and incur mountains of losses.

There are 3 or 4 daily flights from Mangaluru to Dubai. Presumably, Kannur could support a DXB flight but both India and Dubai have exhausted 100 percent of their bilateral rights
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:55 pm

VTORD wrote:
killswitch13 wrote:

Does anyone have insights on how the ATQ flight is doing? I am curious to know what the reasoning behind using STN v LGW is. STN has to have a lot of leakage to LHR for these flights to work.


Getting into C London seems to be relatively easy from STN; plus connectivity to the motorways.

Haven’t been to STN but LGW was not particularly easy to get to.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:51 pm

killswitch13 wrote:
Air India mulls launching Mumbai-London Stansted service
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/air-india-mulls-launching-mumbai-london-stansted-service/articleshow/72681245.cms

Air India in this week’s schedule update extended capacity increase for London Heathrow service into summer 2020 season. From 29MAR20, Boeing 777-300ER will continue to operate flights from Delhi and Mumbai, 1 daily each.

Delhi – London Heathrow eff 29MAR20 AI111/112 777-300ER continues to operate 1 daily, replacing 787-8
AI161 DEL0245 – 0730LHR 788 D
AI111 DEL1400 – 1900LHR 77W D

AI162 LHR0945 – 2250DEL 788 D
AI112 LHR2130 – 1040+1DEL 77W D

Mumbai – London Heathrow eff 29MAR20 777-300ER continues to operate 1 daily, replacing 787-8
AI131 BOM0630 – 1130LHR 77W D
AI130 LHR1315 – 0245+1BOM 77W D

Air India in this week’s schedule update filed service increase for Delhi – Toronto service, for summer 2020 season. From 29MAR20, the airline will operate this route on daily basis, increasing from existing 3 weekly flights.

Boeing 777-300ER operates this route.

AI187 DEL0300 – 0845YYZ 77W D
AI188 YYZ1215 – 1215+1DEL 77W D

I don’t understand why AI is wasting a LHR slot on AMD. Also does anyone here have info on the YYZ flight on how it’s performing. Is AI increasing it to daily cause it makes business sense or is it again politically motivated?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:56 pm

yashk wrote:
killswitch13 wrote:
Air India mulls launching Mumbai-London Stansted service
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/air-india-mulls-launching-mumbai-london-stansted-service/articleshow/72681245.cms

Air India in this week’s schedule update extended capacity increase for London Heathrow service into summer 2020 season. From 29MAR20, Boeing 777-300ER will continue to operate flights from Delhi and Mumbai, 1 daily each.

Delhi – London Heathrow eff 29MAR20 AI111/112 777-300ER continues to operate 1 daily, replacing 787-8
AI161 DEL0245 – 0730LHR 788 D
AI111 DEL1400 – 1900LHR 77W D

AI162 LHR0945 – 2250DEL 788 D
AI112 LHR2130 – 1040+1DEL 77W D

Mumbai – London Heathrow eff 29MAR20 777-300ER continues to operate 1 daily, replacing 787-8
AI131 BOM0630 – 1130LHR 77W D
AI130 LHR1315 – 0245+1BOM 77W D

Air India in this week’s schedule update filed service increase for Delhi – Toronto service, for summer 2020 season. From 29MAR20, the airline will operate this route on daily basis, increasing from existing 3 weekly flights.

Boeing 777-300ER operates this route.

AI187 DEL0300 – 0845YYZ 77W D
AI188 YYZ1215 – 1215+1DEL 77W D

I don’t understand why AI is wasting a LHR slot on AMD. Also does anyone here have info on the YYZ flight on how it’s performing. Is AI increasing it to daily cause it makes business sense or is it again politically motivated?


Everything is politically motivated, including the AMD-LHR flight. A sensible airline would use that slot for BOM which has a capacity shortage since Jet went under. But no chance of that with this version of AI.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:26 am

CPS001 wrote:
yashk wrote:
killswitch13 wrote:
Air India mulls launching Mumbai-London Stansted service

I don’t understand why AI is wasting a LHR slot on AMD. Also does anyone here have info on the YYZ flight on how it’s performing. Is AI increasing it to daily cause it makes business sense or is it again politically motivated?


Everything is politically motivated, including the AMD-LHR flight. A sensible airline would use that slot for BOM which has a capacity shortage since Jet went under. But no chance of that with this version of AI.


What part of Air India is not politically motivated? If it were a business or as you say, 'run sensibly', it would have been shut-down a while back.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:54 am

Rumor doing rounds that Sanjeev Kapoor has resigned as Vistara CCO. Would be huge if true. He's the face of Vistara in entire industry

Nileblue wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
Nileblue wrote:

Can someone shed some light on the relatively new Kannur Airport and the market it serves. Also why has GoAir selected the airport for much of its international expansion (I believe the only airline offering such services)?


For decades Mangaluru served as the Indian airport serving the very north of Kerala for flights to the Gulf. Kannur now is tapping into the market. You can see how much traffic Mangaluru lost......to Kannur’s gain. GoAir cleverly tapped into the potential and has zero competition. Kannur would be even bigger if the Government gives foreign carriers the right to fly there but there is no chance with a communist state government and a nationist federal government


Thanks. So is Kannur a more convenient airport to serve Northern Kerala compared to Mangalore or do they both have distinctive catchment areas? Why haven’t other Indian carriers launched international operations? Are facilities limited?


Kannur is in Kerala, Mangalore is in Karnataka. Also, Mangalore airport is on a hill. It will never support wide-bodies and logistics are more expensive because you need to climb up a hill Everytime you go there. Plus, Mangalore is not CAT III B certified. So ops during heavy rains could become challenging.

Go Air chose Kannur when it was a brand new airport, and G8 needed space to park their incoming NEOs.

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