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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:46 pm

I saw this today and seems some of the analysis in the article is plain wrong.

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/ec ... 419315.ece

For e.g. they have talked about deep-discounting of fares while I have seen the opposite, fares have climbed up. The article also doesn't mention how many 737 Maxes have been grounded in India. IDoes anyone know ?

It also doesn't take into account Indigo's own issues with the P&W engines. IIRC, they are going to some other vendor who has been greenlit by DGCA (GM or Rockswell or some other manufacturer.)

I do know/remember that a significant number of Indigo's planes were down because of the P&W engine.

What has also been interesting to note in that whole jet airways issue, the other players have been able to be more nimble while Indigo not so much, maybe because of the infighting of the promoters, the engine issue or some other things ?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:48 pm

Landed a few hours ago at BLR and saw an Ethiopian 737-700 parked. A quick search showed me that they have 4 weekly flights between ADD-BLR (tickets are quite expensive!). However, the BLR inbound flight arrives at 8:40AM and sits around till next day 2:30AM departure !! I haven't seen a narrow body sitting parked that long anywhere, especially not for an airline impacted with 737Max grounding!

Also, saw Thai 773, AF 77W, SQ A359R and KA A333 all lined up. Pity I was on a bus so couldn't take a picture. Couple more observations - LH 755 went five weekly since Christmas and no BLR-MUC, is this scheduled or tech problem ? I thought this is the high season for India-EU/NA flights ?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:15 am

Vistara partners with Nelco for inflight data services; likely to launch shortly: Telecom Secretary

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 994726.cms
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:32 am

hohd wrote:
1% ATF tax is unrealistically too low. Something like around 5 to 10% tax would be ideal for airports to operate and generate revenue for the state and still have enough traffic.


I actually think airports should shift to higher airport taxes rather than ATF taxes. EY, EK et all plus those airlines that bring in fuel all escape these tales. Better to have a level playing field and charge all.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:50 am

So the new AI BOM-STN flights are basically the same timings as the current flights (just 3 hours later).
BOM 0955-1400 STN (Mon, Thur & Sat)
STN 1530-0550+1 BOM (Mon, Thur & Sat)
Why would AI do this. They also operate the same days as the ATQ-STN flights. Is this because of staffing? Not ideal from a pax choice POV.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:06 am

PAX LOADS AT BLR inclusive of transfer and O&D pax.

BRITISH AIRWAYS (SEPT,OCT,NOV & DEC*)
1) SEPTEMBER

LHR-BLR PAX= 5583
BLR-LHR PAX= 6559
TOTAL PAX= 12,142

2) OCTOBER
LHR-BLR PAX= 6934
BLR-LHR PAX=5583
TOTAL PAX= 12,517

3) NOVEMBER
LHR-BLR PAX= 5926
BLR-LHR PAX= 5615
TOTAL PAX= 11,541

4) DECEMBER* (upto 25/12/19)
LHR-BLR PAX= 4481*
BLR-LHR PAX= 3970*
TOTAL PAX= 8451*

TOTAL PAX= 44,651*
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:13 am

sabby wrote:
Landed a few hours ago at BLR and saw an Ethiopian 737-700 parked. A quick search showed me that they have 4 weekly flights between ADD-BLR (tickets are quite expensive!). However, the BLR inbound flight arrives at 8:40AM and sits around till next day 2:30AM departure !! I haven't seen a narrow body sitting parked that long anywhere, especially not for an airline impacted with 737Max grounding!


The departure of the BLR-ADD flight, ET961 is timed to feed the morning bank of departures at ADD to various african destinations. Helps the airline compete with the traditional transit hubs between India and Africa (Dubai, etc). Additionally, because of the timings, the same crew that flew the narrow-body jet into BLR gets to rest sufficiently and fly the plane for 6 hours across the Indian ocean back into ADD. Works out cheaper for the airline, I guess?

I've seen other airlines park planes at BOM for long hours in this manner too. Until recently, Rwandair used to park their 737 (before they up-gauged to an A330 and flew onward to CAN) and El Al would park their Boeing 767 all day (before they up gauged to B777 and changed schedules). I have also observed a BA B789 parked at BOM for long hours.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:16 am

QATAR AIRWAYS PAX LOADS AT BLR inclusive of transit and O&D

1) SEPTEMBER
DOH-BLR= 8410
BLR-DOH= 9955
TOTAL PAX= 18,365

2) OCTOBER
DOH-BLR= 9741
BLR-DOH= 8517
TOTAL PAX= 18,258

3) DECEMBER (UPTO 25/12)
DOH-BLR= 7990
BLR-DOH= 6848
TOTAL PAX= 14,838

TOTAL PAX= 51,461
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:18 am

trinidadeG wrote:
sabby wrote:
Landed a few hours ago at BLR and saw an Ethiopian 737-700 parked. A quick search showed me that they have 4 weekly flights between ADD-BLR (tickets are quite expensive!). However, the BLR inbound flight arrives at 8:40AM and sits around till next day 2:30AM departure !! I haven't seen a narrow body sitting parked that long anywhere, especially not for an airline impacted with 737Max grounding!


The departure of the BLR-ADD flight, ET961 is timed to feed the morning bank of departures at ADD to various african destinations. Helps the airline compete with the traditional transit hubs between India and Africa (Dubai, etc). Additionally, because of the timings, the same crew that flew the narrow-body jet into BLR gets to rest sufficiently and fly the plane for 6 hours across the Indian ocean back into ADD. Works out cheaper for the airline, I guess?


Image

Link: https://www.anna.aero/2019/10/31/ethiop ... bengaluru/
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sun Dec 29, 2019 9:06 am

May I remind you not to forget to provide links to your sources when posting any figures. Thanks.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:25 pm

sand26391 wrote:
PAX LOADS AT BLR inclusive of transfer and O&D pax.

BRITISH AIRWAYS (SEPT,OCT,NOV & DEC*)
Cool! Almost 89% overall. It will be interesting to see the numbers once the A350 ops begin. A considerable increase in Y and Y+ seats there. Do you have the comparative numbers for AI?

sand26391 wrote:
QATAR AIRWAYS PAX LOADS AT BLR inclusive of transit and O&D

That's a bit underwhelming....overall only 68 & some %!!! :o
Is there decent cargo demand?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - December 2019

Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:30 pm

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