Yes, indeed, last of the 20-teens; our next thread will be the first of the roaring twenties! It's been an interesting year and indeed, last month has seen some pretty interesting developments:
- New KLM flight to ORK
- New Aer Lingus flights from SNN
- New airlines for DUB: MS, LO and Juneyao, together with new routes and increases
- Labour issues continue to bubble on at FR
- Pax numbers continue to increase, though at a lower percentage; it'll be interesting to see how non-US long haul will look after the departure of Cathay and Hainan.

Much of the doubt over what might happen next year has been dominated by fears of a no-deal Brexit, which seems to have receded pretty much completely, though what Boris might do next year will be interesting. Dublin should certainly gain from the new arrangement regarding NI, which will see NI exports go through Dublin much moreso than London.

As the saying goes, "go mbeirmid anseo ag an am seo aris" (may we be here at same time next year).

Enjoy - and here's a link to the last thread if anyone wants to refer back: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1434209&start=150

kaitak wrote:

Yes, indeed, last of the 20-teens; our next thread will be the first of the roaring twenties! It's been an interesting year and indeed, last month has seen some pretty interesting developments:
- New KLM flight to ORK
- New Aer Lingus flights from SNN
- New airlines for DUB: MS, LO and Juneyao, together with new routes and increases
- Labour issues continue to bubble on at FR
- Pax numbers continue to increase, though at a lower percentage; it'll be interesting to see how non-US long haul will look after the departure of Cathay and Hainan.

Much of the doubt over what might happen next year has been dominated by fears of a no-deal Brexit, which seems to have receded pretty much completely, though what Boris might do next year will be interesting. Dublin should certainly gain from the new arrangement regarding NI, which will see NI exports go through Dublin much moreso than London.

As the saying goes, "go mbeirmid anseo ag an am seo aris" (may we be here at same time next year).

Enjoy - and here's a link to the last thread if anyone wants to refer back: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1434209&start=150

Keep in mind LO isn’t confirmed yet, the slots are there but they are likely waiting to make the announcement until they’re confident their fleet will be able to support it.

tomgle wrote:

kaitak wrote:

Yes, indeed, last of the 20-teens; our next thread will be the first of the roaring twenties! It's been an interesting year and indeed, last month has seen some pretty interesting developments:
- New KLM flight to ORK
- New Aer Lingus flights from SNN
- New airlines for DUB: MS, LO and Juneyao, together with new routes and increases
- Labour issues continue to bubble on at FR
- Pax numbers continue to increase, though at a lower percentage; it'll be interesting to see how non-US long haul will look after the departure of Cathay and Hainan.

Much of the doubt over what might happen next year has been dominated by fears of a no-deal Brexit, which seems to have receded pretty much completely, though what Boris might do next year will be interesting. Dublin should certainly gain from the new arrangement regarding NI, which will see NI exports go through Dublin much moreso than London.

As the saying goes, "go mbeirmid anseo ag an am seo aris" (may we be here at same time next year).

Enjoy - and here's a link to the last thread if anyone wants to refer back: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1434209&start=150

Keep in mind LO isn’t confirmed yet, the slots are there but they are likely waiting to make the announcement until they’re confident their fleet will be able to support it.

EygptAir aren’t confirmed either.
LO may not launch DUB next summer due to 737 MAX groundings but we will have to wait and see

Anyone know what happened to TK at DUB today ?



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BA looking to launch Gatwick - Dublin.

https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/uploa ... Report.pdf

Profit at Ryanair cabin crew agency Crewlink falls sharply
Pretax profit falls more than 80 per cent despite turnover nearing €100 million

Profits at Ryanair cabin crew agency Crewlink fell sharply last year despite turnover reaching almost €100 million, the latest figures show.

Crewlink is one of several agencies that provide Ryanair with cabin crew. It employed almost 4,100 people last year, topping the 3,338 permanent staff working at internet giant Google’s European headquarters in Dublin.

Pretax profit at Wicklow-based Crewlink Ireland fell more than 80 per cent in 2018 to €10,260 from €61,353 the previous year, according to accounts just filed with the Companies’ Registrar.

www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-a ... 5?mode=amp

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Fatigue and faulty charts to blame in R116 crash

The Irish Coast Guard air crew that died in a helicopter crash off the north Mayo coast in 2017 was flying with inaccurate charts, faulty satellite locators and was at risk of fatigue due to demanding work rosters, an investigation is set to conclude.

Dysfunctional oversight of search and rescue by the Irish Aviation Authority (IAA), the state regulator, along with alleged safety management failures by the Irish Coast Guard and CHC Ireland, the air crew’s employer, have been identified as factors in the tragedy by the Air Accident Investigation Unit (AAIU). It is due to publish a final report into the tragedy shortly.

Captain Dara Fitzpatrick, 45, and Captain Mark Duffy, 51, had been awake for more than 18 and 17 hours respectively when…

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/fati ... -377md6br0

EIEIDW wrote:

BA looking to launch Gatwick - Dublin.

https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/uploa ... Report.pdf

Slot sitting?

Great flight with Swiss DUB-ZRH. Been a while since I flew them but they still have the best Euro Biz product out of Ireland. Lots of connections and quite a few to European destinations that have direct flights.



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OA260 wrote:

Anyone know what happened to TK at DUB today ?



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Handover of Lisa Smith was from a TK flight so possibly cover for that

OA260 wrote:

Anyone know what happened to TK at DUB today ?



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Various posts on Facebook reported that the wheel “collapsed” on a bus driving on the ramp

bx737 wrote:

OA260 wrote:

Anyone know what happened to TK at DUB today ?



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Various posts on Facebook reported that the wheel “collapsed” on a bus driving on the ramp

That was a separate one. Not sure about this but suspect spillage or oil issue of some sort.

TK got plenty of free publicity over the weekend, can only be good for them.

Ryanair have just announced a new 2w Dublin - Mahon/Menorca route, Tues and Sat, starting 2nd June.
Available for booking on www.ryanair.com

[quote="OA260"]Great flight with Swiss DUB-ZRH. Been a while since I flew them but they still have the best Euro Biz product out of Ireland. Lots of connections and quite a few to European destinations that have direct flights.

I flew them last year (Economy) and they were very good; got the CS300/A220 back from ZRH and that was a very nice experience. And of course, ZRH is heaven - particularly for the likes of us!

SNN runway closed due to "technical issues" according to airport social media...anyone know more?

kaitak wrote:

OA260 wrote:

Great flight with Swiss DUB-ZRH. Been a while since I flew them but they still have the best Euro Biz product out of Ireland. Lots of connections and quite a few to European destinations that have direct flights.

I flew them last year (Economy) and they were very good; got the CS300/A220 back from ZRH and that was a very nice experience. And of course, ZRH is heaven - particularly for the likes of us!

Hoping to get the A220 next week if no tech issues. ZRH is a spotters paradise and one of the best and most welcoming viewing areas I have ever seen. We can only dream of something similar at DUB.

bx737 wrote:

OA260 wrote:

Anyone know what happened to TK at DUB today ?



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Various posts on Facebook reported that the wheel “collapsed” on a bus driving on the ramp

The ‘collapsed wheel’ photo was just the bus kneeling for wheelchair pax, was at a Stobart running a Santa flight for sick kids.

Petition launched calling for Dublin Airport to be renamed after Jim Gavin

The Round Towers clubman also has a long history of involvement with aviation in the country

A petition has been launched calling for Dublin Airport to be renamed after Jim Gavin.

The Clondalkin man announced his departure as Dublin manager following a trophy-laden spell that included completed the historic five-in-a-row at this year's All Ireland Football Final.

www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/peti ... 351942.amp

Dublin Airport Welcomes 15 New Services This Winter - But overall seat capacity down 3% with 500,000 fewer seats available

"Dublin Airport will have 15 new services this winter, however total seat capacity is down 3% with 500,000 fewer seats available compared to last year.

This is the first winter since 2011 that has seen an overall a reduction in seat capacity at Dublin Airport. The fall in capacity is due to factors such as some airlines withdrawing services for the winter while others are maintaining their route network to and from Dublin, but have reduced the number of flights that will operate the service this winter. While Ryanair is growing its business at Dublin this winter, the delivery delay to the Boeing 737 MAX aircraft has affected its growth plans.

“Dublin Airport is in its ninth consecutive year of growth in 2019, however, this reduction in seat capacity for the winter season is clear evidence that the market is slowing,” said Dublin Airport Managing Director Vincent Harrison. “The reduction in capacity may not necessarily result in a corresponding decline in passenger traffic, as airlines may end up selling more seats on each flight.”

Almost 28.4 million passengers have used Dublin Airport in the first 10 months of the year, which is a 5% increase over the same period in 2018, but passenger growth has been slowing in recent months.

Dublin Airport’s new services for this this winter are a continuation of those which started over the summer months, with the exception of Ryanair’s recently launched twice weekly service to Billund in Denmark.

Services extending from summer into winter include Aer Lingus’ new route to Minneapolis St. Paul, Air Baltic to Riga, Croatia Airlines to Zagreb, Loganair to Carlisle and TAP Air Portugal’s services to Lisbon. Meanwhile, Ryanair is extending its summer services to Bordeaux, Bournemouth, Gothenburg, Kiev, Lublin, Milan Malpensa, Pisa, London Southend and Toulouse into the winter season.

Dublin Airport has flights to 190 destinations in 42 countries operated by 50 airlines."

Source: https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-ne ... his-winter

EI121 wrote:

Dublin Airport Welcomes 15 New Services This Winter - But overall seat capacity down 3% with 500,000 fewer seats available

Is there any indication of what the overall load factor at DUB has been over the past few winters? The press release tries to downplay the fewer available seats, the overall effect could be stronger yields - good for the airport but bad for bargain hunters!

OA260 wrote:

Petition launched calling for Dublin Airport to be renamed after Jim Gavin

The Round Towers clubman also has a long history of involvement with aviation in the country

A petition has been launched calling for Dublin Airport to be renamed after Jim Gavin.

The Clondalkin man announced his departure as Dublin manager following a trophy-laden spell that included completed the historic five-in-a-row at this year's All Ireland Football Final.

http://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-ne ... 351942.amp

No, just no

AmricanShamrok wrote:

SNN runway closed due to "technical issues" according to airport social media...anyone know more?

Seems it was this :

“The runway at Shannon Airport has reopened after it was closed for a time due to an incident involving a light aircraft on the runway.

Shannon Airport said the nose-wheel of the aircraft collapsed on the airport runway.”

www.rte.ie/news/munster/2019/1202/10965 ... n-airport/

ShamrockBoi330 wrote:

OA260 wrote:

Petition launched calling for Dublin Airport to be renamed after Jim Gavin

The Round Towers clubman also has a long history of involvement with aviation in the country

A petition has been launched calling for Dublin Airport to be renamed after Jim Gavin.

The Clondalkin man announced his departure as Dublin manager following a trophy-laden spell that included completed the historic five-in-a-row at this year's All Ireland Football Final.

http://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-ne ... 351942.amp

No, just no

I can think of loads of others it should be named after before him.

EIEIDW wrote:

BA looking to launch Gatwick - Dublin.

https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/uploa ... Report.pdf

Well spotted!

I used to fly BA from DUB-LGW here and there back when it operated before. I don't think it's slot sitting, there's probably a market there. Be interesting to see if it's just an add, if so, BA will be having even more flights per day. Dublin has really worked well for them since they took over BMI.

ClassicLover wrote:

EIEIDW wrote:

BA looking to launch Gatwick - Dublin.

https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/uploa ... Report.pdf

Well spotted!

I used to fly BA from DUB-LGW here and there back when it operated before. I don't think it's slot sitting, there's probably a market there. Be interesting to see if it's just an add, if so, BA will be having even more flights per day. Dublin has really worked well for them since they took over BMI.

Me too hard to believe 12 years ago since I wrote this!

viewtopic.php?t=962387

ClassicLover wrote:

EIEIDW wrote:

BA looking to launch Gatwick - Dublin.

https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/uploa ... Report.pdf

Well spotted!

I used to fly BA from DUB-LGW here and there back when it operated before. I don't think it's slot sitting, there's probably a market there. Be interesting to see if it's just an add, if so, BA will be having even more flights per day. Dublin has really worked well for them since they took over BMI.

It really is time for a BA Galleries lounge. They have twice as many flights as CDG, FCO, MXP, NCL, GLA, MAN etc and they all have lounges.

tonystan wrote:

It really is time for a BA Galleries lounge. They have twice as many flights as CDG, FCO, MXP, NCL, GLA, MAN etc and they all have lounges.

I dont know the history of the other airports but the MAN lounge harks back to the days when MAN T3 was set up as a hub for BA and its BA connect operation. There were a lot more flights back then including long haul such as JFK and ISB.

tonystan wrote:

ClassicLover wrote:

EIEIDW wrote:

BA looking to launch Gatwick - Dublin.

https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/uploa ... Report.pdf

Well spotted!

I used to fly BA from DUB-LGW here and there back when it operated before. I don't think it's slot sitting, there's probably a market there. Be interesting to see if it's just an add, if so, BA will be having even more flights per day. Dublin has really worked well for them since they took over BMI.

It really is time for a BA Galleries lounge. They have twice as many flights as CDG, FCO, MXP, NCL, GLA, MAN etc and they all have lounges.

Remember there’s also IB operating from T1 which could use it. But there seems little appetite from BA to open their own lounge. When the EY lounge closed, the DAA subsequently opened the East lounge. I’m pretty sure if BA had wanted the space badly enough they’d have gotten it

Dublin seems to bw a second tier airport for the alliances. There is neither interest nor appetite for providing ancilluary services to business class / top end frequent flyer guests! As the home airline EI's lounge offering is bordering on pathetic!

Fliplot wrote:

Dublin seems to bw a second tier airport for the alliances. There is neither interest nor appetite for providing ancilluary services to business class / top end frequent flyer guests! As the home airline EI's lounge offering is bordering on pathetic!

Who cares as long as the passenger numbers grow..,,,premium fares ex Dublin are fantastic value compared to ex London and long may they remain so . The alliances are pretty much irrelevant these days and just produce expensive code sharing and price gouging

BA are just a glorified low cost carrier that charges a premium. Marginally better than EI for Club Europe but no different to any low cost carrier.

BA lounge at DUB has zero chance. I struggle to think of an airport outside long haul where they last opened a lounge in recent years.

tonystan wrote:

It really is time for a BA Galleries lounge. They have twice as many flights as CDG, FCO, MXP, NCL, GLA, MAN etc and they all have lounges.

I agree, though if that were to happen, it may change the economics of the routes for the worse. I'm sure they knew how much the BMI lounge was costing when they made that purchase. They dropped the DUB lounge pretty quickly!

Fliplot wrote:

Dublin seems to bw a second tier airport for the alliances. There is neither interest nor appetite for providing ancilluary services to business class / top end frequent flyer guests! As the home airline EI's lounge offering is bordering on pathetic!

Lucky almost no other airline uses the EI lounge except BA passengers who are Gold or Silver flying to London. It's over ten years now with that EI lounge and it is time for an update, that's for sure!

JAmie2k9 wrote:

BA are just a glorified low cost carrier that charges a premium. Marginally better than EI for Club Europe but no different to any low cost carrier.

I'm sure you meant EI in your first sentence, right?

Either way, you are hilarious! "Marginally better than EI for Club Europe" - Club Europe craps all over anything EI offer within Europe, and it's often decent value as well. Not sure why all the hate on BA who I find very decent all the time.

ClassicLover wrote:

JAmie2k9 wrote:

BA are just a glorified low cost carrier that charges a premium. Marginally better than EI for Club Europe but no different to any low cost carrier.

I'm sure you meant EI in your first sentence, right?

Either way, you are hilarious! "Marginally better than EI for Club Europe" - Club Europe craps all over anything EI offer within Europe, and it's often decent value as well. Not sure why all the hate on BA who I find very decent all the time.

No I meant BA!

There short haul is just low cost with a premium. I agree I was overly harsh saying there Club Europe isn't great. Personally I like it and it can be good value. A standard Y ticket with BA isn't particularly different to Aer Lingus, Easyjet etc services apart from the price tag and that includes BA been cheaper.

BA Long Haul are good but short haul isn't anything special and that's just down to industry change.

JAmie2k9 wrote:

BA are just a glorified low cost carrier that charges a premium. Marginally better than EI for Club Europe but no different to any low cost carrier.

BA lounge at DUB has zero chance. I struggle to think of an airport outside long haul where they last opened a lounge in recent years.

Maybe no new lounges but they have refurbished - AMS, GLA, ABZ, FCO, GVA, LIN among others.

Ryanair warns of further hit from MAX grounding

Ryanair has said that it expects to cut its summer capacity due to a shortfall in its Boeing aircraft deliveries.

The airline has again revised downwards its summer 2020 schedule based on receiving just 10 MAX aircraft rather than the 20 as previously planned. 60 planes had originally been scheduled for delivery.

As a result, Ryanair cut its expected traffic growth for the year to the end of March 2021 from 157 million passengers to 156 million.

www.rte.ie/news/business/2019/1204/1096 ... acity-cut/

JAmie2k9 wrote:

ClassicLover wrote:

JAmie2k9 wrote:

BA are just a glorified low cost carrier that charges a premium. Marginally better than EI for Club Europe but no different to any low cost carrier.

I'm sure you meant EI in your first sentence, right?

Either way, you are hilarious! "Marginally better than EI for Club Europe" - Club Europe craps all over anything EI offer within Europe, and it's often decent value as well. Not sure why all the hate on BA who I find very decent all the time.

No I meant BA!

There short haul is just low cost with a premium. I agree I was overly harsh saying there Club Europe isn't great. Personally I like it and it can be good value. A standard Y ticket with BA isn't particularly different to Aer Lingus, Easyjet etc services apart from the price tag and that includes BA been cheaper.

BA Long Haul are good but short haul isn't anything special and that's just down to industry change.

I know you meant BA, however "a glorified low cost carrier that charges a premium" could well describe Aer Lingus, couldn't it?

I agree that BA's short-haul economy class is nothing special, as it's virtually the same as every other airline. I don't find that BA charge more for it, either... I've seen some crazy cheap prices in EuroTraveller, and I've even availed of things like day returns to Dublin for £79 on BA which is less than Aer Lingus charge. I think the perception is that BA charge a premium for Economy, but I don't really think that is the case.

BA Business class long haul is absolutely appalling too. Far far worse than EI, although the new seat debuting on the A35K seems to be changing that thankfully. The existing ones are cramped, flimsy and you get to make awkward eye contact with the stranger in the seat facing you for takeoff, landing and meal service....great.

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Ryanair cancels Belfast International to Alicante flights

Ryanair is to cancel its route from Belfast International airport to the Spanish city of Alicante, the airline has announced.

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/nor ... 56891.html

Can the late delivery of the Max to FR be the inly reason for all their route cancellations? Perhaps we are seeing an early spring cleaning!

Fliplot wrote:

Can the late delivery of the Max to FR be the inly reason for all their route cancellations? Perhaps we are seeing an early spring cleaning!

Well they are missing a significant number of MAX aircraft, so its bound to take its toll! For next summer they were to have 60ish, but might be lucky if they get 10!

What I find more interesting is the rumoured Airbus order Lauda and if they'll now increase that order for other airlines in the portfolio. Afterall, the more you order, the bigger the savings! And the group will now have a duel fleet anyway with Lauda.They are big enough to be able to maintain 2 types! Will we see the Bus in Ryanair colours?

Some details on the new Dublin-Helsinki-Shanghai route.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... hlight=Dub

EI321 wrote:

Some details on the new Dublin-Helsinki-Shanghai route.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... hlight=Dub

Are tickets bookable ? They have great fares from Helsinki but can’t find any ex Dublin yet

Galwayman wrote:

EI321 wrote:

Some details on the new Dublin-Helsinki-Shanghai route.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... hlight=Dub

Are tickets bookable ? They have great fares from Helsinki but can’t find any ex Dublin yet

Yes it’s bookable €440 return DUB-PVG on their website.

Thousands sign petition calling for Dublin Airport to install new water stations to reduce the need for single use plastic bottles

Almost five thousand people have signed a petition urging Dublin Airport to install new water filling stations in a bid to help the environment.

There are currently a number of water stations at the airport but they are more suited to drinking from directly rather than refilling reusable bottles.

www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/thou ... 385188.amp

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Two flights bound for Shannon forced to divert to Dublin Airport due to Storm Atiyah

The storm has been causing havoc in Munster with thousands of homes left without power

Two Ryanair flights from London have been forced to divert to Dublin Airport due to the high winds from Storm Atiyah.

Both flights were due to land at Shannon Airport but due to the poor weather conditions on the west coast, diverted to the capital.

www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/two- ... 054450.amp

Skyblue39 wrote:

Galwayman wrote:

EI321 wrote:

Some details on the new Dublin-Helsinki-Shanghai route.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... hlight=Dub

Are tickets bookable ? They have great fares from Helsinki but can’t find any ex Dublin yet

Yes it’s bookable €440 return DUB-PVG on their website.

Great bargain for passengers, but with a fare like this I can't see them staying around for too long once the subsidies run out.

SRGVA67 wrote:

Great bargain for passengers, but with a fare like this I can't see them staying around for too long once the subsidies run out.

€440 is pretty average for an advanced fare on this (and similar) routes.
Air France, KLM, Lufthansa, Swiss, BA and Turkish are all offering DUBPVG fares around the €450-500 mark

VFRonTop wrote:

SRGVA67 wrote:

Great bargain for passengers, but with a fare like this I can't see them staying around for too long once the subsidies run out.

€440 is pretty average for an advanced fare on this (and similar) routes.
Air France, KLM, Lufthansa, Swiss, BA and Turkish are all offering DUBPVG fares around the €450-500 mark

I don't know where you find LX for 450-500 euros, the cheapest I can find on their website is 1059 euros for a return trip in APR 2020. From ZRH to PVG it's even about 1500 euros.

SRGVA67 wrote:

VFRonTop wrote:

SRGVA67 wrote:

Great bargain for passengers, but with a fare like this I can't see them staying around for too long once the subsidies run out.

€440 is pretty average for an advanced fare on this (and similar) routes.
Air France, KLM, Lufthansa, Swiss, BA and Turkish are all offering DUBPVG fares around the €450-500 mark

I don't know where you find LX for 450-500 euros, the cheapest I can find on their website is 1059 euros for a return trip in APR 2020. From ZRH to PVG it's even about 1500 euros.

Swiss are quoting EUR537.63 for 2nd Apr DUB-PVG back 9th April
(This is on http://www.swiss.com/ie)

SAS (via Expedia) are quoting EUR479 for the same dates.

Fares are often cheaper from cities other than the airlines home base. Example if BA want to sell tickets from say CDG-GRU they need to make it cheaper than AF who fly the route direct. Often that means that pax flying from LHR-GRU are paying more than pax who are flying CDG-LHR-GRU.

Alex

SRGVA67 wrote:

I don't know where you find LX for 450-500 euros, the cheapest I can find on their website is 1059 euros for a return trip in APR 2020. From ZRH to PVG it's even about 1500 euros.

Have a play with Google Flights, LX can be found for €430 on dates from Feb through to May.

Thanks Alex, I'm well aware of how it works, I worked in this business for over 40 years. The Swiss website.ch showed EUR 1059 from DUB to PVG vv. but never mind, I have no intention of flying to PVG anyway. But it shows again, if you depend on feeding, you can fill the back of an aircraft as often as you like, there is no money to be made. You break those 537.63 down into DUB/ZRH and ZRH/PVG sectors, divide it by 2....you won't cover a lot of expenses incurred. Same for Juneayo, unless they have reasonable high yield traffic ( not discounted business class fares ), I can't see them lasting beyond subsidies, not even taking into account the intermediate stop, limited connections out of PVG and being a pretty unknown company in Europe, at least for the time being.