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Turkish Aviation December 2019

Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:46 pm

Hello there Turkish Aviation fans, welcome to another new thread :)
Thanks to everyone for keeping these threads going for all these years:



I will start with few topics:
-AtlasGlobal might not come back, so Air Serbia will start IST flight starting Dec11 with A319 3 x Weekly.
-Airportcity at IST will have 3 hotels eventually totalling more than 1500 rooms.
-TK will increase Muscat from 7 to 10 x Weekly this month.
-Now that we have the photos of new 787 and 350s, it is going to get really exciting at IST and TK for the next 6 months. And who know we might even have the MAX flying in a couple of months :airplane:

Please continue with your news, photos, rumors and good old sense of humor. Welcome.

You can find last months thread here: Turkish Aviation November 2019
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation December 2019

Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:35 pm

Thank you for the new thread.

I hope Atlas recovers, their service was the best among all the pvt airlines in Turkey.

Also, do you think that the Turkish public will trust the MAX when it flies again?
 
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Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:47 pm

Thanks for the new thread . There was an incident at DUB today but not quite sure what .


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Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:58 pm

Garuda president says they plan to launch Istanbul in 2020.

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Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:51 am

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Re: Turkish Aviation December 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:44 pm

OA260 wrote:
Thanks for the new thread . There was an incident at DUB today but not quite sure what .


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Could it be something to do with Lisa Smith being arrested? Apparently she was on the inbound flight.

Edit: That may have been two days ago since the pictures show TC-JYN rather than JYL
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation December 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:49 pm

aldrigsomandre wrote:
Thank you for the new thread.

I hope Atlas recovers, their service was the best among all the pvt airlines in Turkey.

Also, do you think that the Turkish public will trust the MAX when it flies again?

I also hope for their comeback, but with the complete fleet returned to lessors, this is very unlikely as it seems now.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation December 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 1:01 pm

After stop ticketing and temporarly grounding, I do not believe Atlasglobal will restart flights. They should have a new investor, long-term business plan and probably also new planes.

As of now, still 2 A330 and 2 A321 in the fleet. Both A321 are flying selected flights to Teheran or Baghdad. One A330 was leased by Suriname Government.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation December 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:57 pm

AirbusA343 wrote:
OA260 wrote:
Thanks for the new thread . There was an incident at DUB today but not quite sure what .


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Could it be something to do with Lisa Smith being arrested? Apparently she was on the inbound flight.

Edit: That may have been two days ago since the pictures show TC-JYN rather than JYL


She only flew in today so was not related. One of Dublin Airports less welcome arrivals!!
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation December 2019

Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:08 am

Artlcle in Bahasa, but it's revealed that Garuda will be starting IST flights, targeting Muslim tourists in Indonesia.

https://katadata.co.id/berita/2019/11/2 ... n-istanbul
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation December 2019

Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:20 pm

https://xfw-spotter.blogspot.com/search ... 20Airlines
Another 321 for TK. I lost count, TK was supposed to get 15 this year, but there was a slowdown. What is the actual number now? 12???
Thanks.
 
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:32 pm

TK787 wrote:
https://xfw-spotter.blogspot.com/search/label/Turkish%20Airlines
Another 321 for TK. I lost count, TK was supposed to get 15 this year, but there was a slowdown. What is the actual number now? 12???
Thanks.
That is number 11. Total 92. :)
In addition, 4 A321ceo will be leased.
 
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:28 pm

Yakamoz wrote:
TK787 wrote:
https://xfw-spotter.blogspot.com/search/label/Turkish%20Airlines
Another 321 for TK. I lost count, TK was supposed to get 15 this year, but there was a slowdown. What is the actual number now? 12???
Thanks.
That is number 11. Total 92. :)
In addition, 4 A321ceo will be leased.

Will they be equipped with sharklets? I'm guessing they're going to be registered TC-JTS/T/U/V but I wouldn't know.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation December 2019

Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:43 pm

Naively, I predicted almost 2 years ago that TK 350s will have 36J and 280Y seats. Actual number is 32J 297Y.
Besides the 787-9, it is now listed at seatguru.com
https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Turki ... 50-900.php
 
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:52 pm

Apparently two A319, former Adria Airways birds, have been ferried to ISE (Isparta) and are due for delivery to TK (leasing). This looks like a 737Max-move to me: missing capacity and no positive outlook for recertification.

It also brings up a thought: would TK consider KK as wet-lease partner for instance on domestic routes to bridge the above mentioned gap?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation December 2019

Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:02 pm

stylo777 wrote:
Apparently two A319, former Adria Airways birds, have been ferried to ISE (Isparta) and are due for delivery to TK (leasing). This looks like a 737Max-move to me: missing capacity and no positive outlook for recertification.

It also brings up a thought: would TK consider KK as wet-lease partner for instance on domestic routes to bridge the above mentioned gap?


No reason for TK to save a (even tiny) competitor
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation December 2019

Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:12 pm

TK has changed some of its A350 plans for next winter. YUL will get a 789 rather than an A350, ICN will be all 777 and IAD will have 777s and 787s rather than having A350s in the mix.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation December 2019

Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:27 am

Although all and fine details are still unclear, TK will be greatly limiting alcoholic beverage servicing in economy class for all medium and longish haul flights, below 6 hrs... It seems that Raki (Turkish counterpart for Greek Uzo), Vodka and Gin will be off definitely and only one brand of Scotch (Ballantines) will be available. However, no mentioning for lower alcohol degree spirits like beer or wines...

These measures are taken for economical (money saving) reasons!

Here is another link (in Turkish and have no time to translate) on this savings case:

https://www.airlinehaber.com/thy-ucakla ... uncelledi/

Looks like they are really reducing the beer and possibly wine loads in these flights. :(
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Re: Turkish Aviation December 2019

Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:34 pm

It is a shame. I knew that this was coming for sometime.
I do fly TK a lot, and from my experience pax mostly drink beer/wine. I doubt that TK will save much money by doing this, just think about all the extra ayran the pax is going to drink :)
On a serious note, how will they be competitive with Ballentines only??
They will loose a lot more pax to Pegasus, just trying to save $500,000 on cheap booze :(
I am glad as passengers we have options. Just yesterday I was looking at NYC-IST tickets for April and LH is very attractive at $2500 J class, compared to more than double that with TK. And I have said this before, I flew J with LH for the first time this year and "the service" is years ahead of TK, and the qualilty of the food and beverage. My close friend TK350 (reads but never contributes here) flies N.America to Turkey with LH for many many years.
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:36 pm

 
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Re: Turkish Aviation December 2019

Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:27 pm

J.D. Power International Passenger Destination Satisfaction study ranks TK on top of the N.America to Europe list.
Not sure how serious of a study that is when you consider;
TK is at the top with a grade of 8.3 and Norwegian at the bottom of the list and gets a 7.7 out of 10.
And BA, DL, AF, AA, UA, LH, KL; all get grades above 8 :)
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Re: Turkish Aviation December 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:52 pm

New Skyteam lounge entrance quite nice. Saw it yesterday.


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First experience at the new airport. Flew in with Aegean and great flights as always and flights full. TK lounge was nice enough and similar offerings to old airport. I actually preferred the old lounge in terms of layout on split floors. Food was decent enough and staff friendly.

The airport itself is impressive but huge. Lots of walking and I would not want a tight connection there. Check in min 2 hours and even 3 if you want to eat or shop.

The one thing that shocked me was for a one year old terminal the floor tiles are in a shocking state. I have seem 10 year old Terminals with better quality floors. Seems like the work was rushed and bad quality materials used. It was really bad around the E and F gates .

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Such a shame about attention to detail as the building itself is impressive. Did not find the duty free or local Turkish gifts that good value this time either. Prices have increased. If you are buying its better on arrival as different prices for arriving and departing passengers. Those in transit pay the higher prices.

Rail link cant come soon enough . The HAVIST buses were ok but traffic on return was horrendous.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation December 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:52 am

Wow!!! not expected.
TK to refurbish the Business Class on TK's 787-9s, citiing pax found them uncomfortable.
https://www.airporthaber.com/thy-haberl ... arari.html (Turkish Only)
 
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Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:58 am

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Wow!!! not expected.
TK to refurbish the Business Class on TK's 787-9s, citiing pax found them uncomfortable.
https://www.airporthaber.com/thy-haberl ... arari.html (Turkish Only)


I actually saw someone from TK say this on FB last week but did not believe it ! Seems it was true.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation December 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:08 pm

Also, technical department is not happy with the seat the article says.
Well, like I said couple months ago after my roundtrip with the TK787-9s J class on IAD-IST, I was not happy with the seats. I could not sleep due to lack of space for my feet, I am 5'11"... 180cm tall. Just imagine pax bigger than me travelling IST-MEX 15 hours on those flights.
And I thought this much privacy did not fit the pax profile of TK Business class, always families traveling together and they like to interact each other during the flight, even the businessmen.
Not sure if they will stay 1-2-1 or go to 2-2-2, that could be another option also. I hope not only they consider that too.
I was going to not choose 787-9s on my future TK J flights, looking forward to the new seats :)
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation December 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:14 pm

So what's going to happen? Will they change the J Class seats to seats from another manufacturer or to a different model from the existing manufacturer?

As of today there are already 6 fully operational frames from these 789 Dreamliners. The 7th one is already left the assembly line and may be delivered before the end of 2019, ahead of schedule. Probably the 8th & 9th frames are already in the pipeline. There's no time to make changes in these 3 frames, I guess. What's going to happen to the J seats of these 8 or possibly 9 frames?

I have the impression that they were to use exactly the sameJ seats for the forthcoming 359s... What's going to happen with these?
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Re: Turkish Aviation December 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:21 pm

I am glad they decided this very quickly and taking action:
-Slow winter season is perfect for this. I would also go back to 2-2-2 seating. Even with the current 777/333 seats. They are tested and true. There have the spares.
-TK trying to cut back, so this will be awesome. One type of J seats on 777, 333, 350, 787 until they find something better in the future.
-And 2-2-2 will help them with their bottom line. 787/350 does not have enough J seats IMHO.

And just maybe, TK might be thinking about to use the yet to be certified Turkish Seat Industries Business Class seats.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation December 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:39 pm

TK787 wrote:
Also, technical department is not happy with the seat the article says.
Well, like I said couple months ago after my roundtrip with the TK787-9s J class on IAD-IST, I was not happy with the seats. I could not sleep due to lack of space for my feet, I am 5'11"... 180cm tall. Just imagine pax bigger than me travelling IST-MEX 15 hours on those flights.
And I thought this much privacy did not fit the pax profile of TK Business class, always families traveling together and they like to interact each other during the flight, even the businessmen.
Not sure if they will stay 1-2-1 or go to 2-2-2, that could be another option also. I hope not only they consider that too.
I was going to not choose 787-9s on my future TK J flights, looking forward to the new seats :)


Wow pretty big news if you ask me.
In my honest opinion this is bad first and good second. How did they manage to select a seat that was reviewed badly by a vast majority?
Its good to see they are not insisting on something that was badly received and willing to do something about it.
Many questions come to mind, will they work with the same supplier in fixing the seats and install a new design? I'm sure contract was signed for the whole fleet and you cant cancel without penalties.
How much money will be wasted by installing new seats and cost of lost revenue due to maintenance required to make the change.
Its rare I disagree with TK787 but they should definitely not use the current 777 product thats long in the tooth but opt for a proven design from SQ and the likes and make decorative changes and not discover America once again as we Turks say.
Agree with TK787 that the loss in J seats is significant and they should keep the same amount of seats but break up the cabin different to lengthen J and keep 2-2-2 lay out. What a cluster:)
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Re: Turkish Aviation December 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:17 pm

Just a reminder, what I did not like on my first 787-9 J flight:
-The seat is like a cocoon. No one can see you, but you don't see anyone either, too private.
-Because of the shell of the seat, there is only one window unblocked that you can look outside. On 777/333 fleet 3 windows per window seat.
-Sleeping was hard for someone my size, constantly hitting my knees on the shell of the seat.
-During meal service, which could last 1.5 hours+ the tray does not move, so you are stuck at your seat
-Because of the bulkiness of the seat shells there could be only one person using the aisle. So service with moving carts and such was a mess for the FA's.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation December 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:40 pm

Rezalet. (Fiasco)

I invite Mr. Ilker Ayci and Mr. Bilal Eksi to resign.

We have discussed this business class seating issue many times in the past stating that TK is a family airline and isolated business class seating is not fit for its passangers. Do not TK management know TK’s passanger style? For sure they know (if not, they have to resign in the first place). Now TK will refurbish these brand new airframes with a sky high extra budget in todays difficult economical situation. TK management will not spend this money from their own packet, it is going to be tax payers’ money.

Actually this is dejavu: Remember the Premium Economy advanture of TK!

I wonder who benefited from this change? And if there was some “strange” payments?
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Re: Turkish Aviation December 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:50 pm

It's a bit harsh to invite the CEO to resign :)
Anyway, it would be a wise decision to change the seats despite the additional burden. I'm sure it doesn't hurt to keep flying with this (brand new) layout until one of the frames is in for longer checks and do the refurbishment at this point. In fact, I read today that AF is flying with 5 different longhaul business class seats/layouts and also TK survived the "exotic variety in business seating" over the past years. As a suggestion - if not done of course - check the quality and comfort in mockups with your most valuable customers as well as employees (especially the cabin crew). AFAIK it's part of the "regular design process" for LH/LX/QF/BA (at least I heard about it...).

Nevertheless, one question still remains: has the news officially been confirmed yet? To be honest, I don't really trust airporthaber news.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation December 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:46 am

One question:
Considering that TK has/will have one of the biggest 321 fleet, does TK consider subfleet of 321 x/lr and if yes whatbwould be added value to TK, unlike european airlines it can not be utilized at transatlantic routes, so is it needed for asia/africa and cis flights or are these flights well covered by 738/9 and mayne max in future
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation December 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:18 am

New easyJet routes:
- Belfast International to Dalaman; 2x weekly; begins 31 March 2020
- Glasgow to Dalaman; 2x weekly; begins 1 April 2020
- Liverpool to Antalya; 1x weekly; begins 2 April 2020
- Bristol to Antalya; 3x weekly; begins 3 May 2020
 
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Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:35 am

Today, 11.12.2019, Air Serbia returns to IST after a 2.5 year break. First flight will leave BEG with 70/144 passengers and return with 117/132 passengers (2 in business class).

Recently JU and TK have signed an interline agreement while a code-share should be finalized soon.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation December 2019

Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:41 pm

British Airways to launch 1x weekly summer seasonal flight between London Heathrow and Bodrum; and between London Heathrow and Dalaman from 23 May 2020

https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/12 ... 36000?s=19

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Re: Turkish Aviation December 2019

Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:23 pm

DLM is my third home airport behind JFK and IST.
1x and 2x weeklies from England is a tiny start to this potentially huge market.Still, it is going to be awesome to see another flag carrier at DLM.
If I have to make a guess the airport is working around 60% capacity even during the busiest summer months. Big potential to grow in the future.
 
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Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:39 pm

One for TK787, the A350 is being taken off JFK next winter in favour of 11x 787s.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation December 2019

Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:24 pm

    AirbusA343 wrote:
    One for TK787, the A350 is being taken off JFK next winter in favour of 11x 787s.

    Ha ha ha...
    Seriously, I don't understand it was supposed to be, 11 out of 14 flights on 359 and now 11 out of 14 789.
    Let's see what happens till then, almost a year from now
     
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    Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:46 pm

    FYI, TC-IZG is now all-white at BCM
     
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    Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:07 am

    The always informative AnalystTK on twitter reported few days ago that TK asked for 36 additional LHR slots and got a total of 0 :(

    https://twitter.com/AnalystTK/status/12 ... 3119928320



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    Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:37 am

    36 is a rather high number to ask for though.
     
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    Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:13 pm

    SeanM1997 wrote:
    New easyJet routes:
    - Belfast International to Dalaman; 2x weekly; begins 31 March 2020
    - Glasgow to Dalaman; 2x weekly; begins 1 April 2020
    - Liverpool to Antalya; 1x weekly; begins 2 April 2020
    - Bristol to Antalya; 3x weekly; begins 3 May 2020


    With election results in UK and Brexit to happen on Jan 31st 2020 we should be able to get more flights from UK to Turkey, BA also returning to Antalya, Bodrum and Dalaman, I am sure more flights to follow. I also expect BA to return to Izmir and Ankara at one time.
     
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    Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:17 pm

    LHR is at full capacity and TK needs to get slots from other airlines, I wrote here before, 4 weekly slots are availbale to get from Tunis Air, LHR is not able to give slots to any airline until the 3rd runaway opens. BA is trying to shuffle slots between profitable North American routes and loss making European routes to hold on to its position, TK should follow a sensible plan to expand through acquisitions rather than slot allocation by UK CAA.

    quote="gokmengs"]The always informative AnalystTK on twitter reported few days ago that TK asked for 36 additional LHR slots and got a total of 0 :(

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    Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:22 pm

    I guess TK is trying to consolidate some of LGW flights into LHR and move LGW ESB, LGW BJW etc to LHR, I also think TK may launch LHR SAW as well...

    aldrigsomandre wrote:
    36 is a rather high number to ask for though.
     
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    Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:50 pm

    Anyone knows why is TK adding three A319 into their fleet? I thought they were shedding the fleet. Also has TC-LOL last ex-WW A333 entered service? This bird require some reconfiguration compared to other two if I'm not mistaken.
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    Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:50 pm

    juliuswong wrote:
    Anyone knows why is TK adding three A319 into their fleet? I thought they were shedding the fleet. Also has TC-LOL last ex-WW A333 entered service? This bird require some reconfiguration compared to other two if I'm not mistaken.


    Maybe now that they moved to the new airport there is room to boost frequencies in stead of capacity. I see that Krasnodar has become an almost exclusive A319 destination. Given IST's geographical location I thought they would be able to fill a larger plane.
     
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    Re: Turkish Aviation December 2019

    Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:49 pm

    TK desperately needs the A220.
     
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    Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:02 pm

    Virtually everyone applies for additional LHR slots each season. TK asked for 112 weekly frequencies for S20, but must continue operating 76. In total 856 slot request were denied.
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    Re: Turkish Aviation December 2019

    Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:45 am

    I strongly believe that the additional 319's are to bridge the gap created by the MAX.

    I also heard news that KK will be back on Monday. With almost the whole fleet is gone, what is actually left there to be flown?
     
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    Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:48 am

    stylo777 wrote:
    I strongly believe that the additional 319's are to bridge the gap created by the MAX.

    I also heard news that KK will be back on Monday. With almost the whole fleet is gone, what is actually left there to be flown?


    If they are coming back (which I doubt) then it means they secured additional funding so they could lease new frames to compensate for the ones that were taken away.

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