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Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Sun Dec 01, 2019 1:37 am

A rare aircraft (only 63 built).
Not sure who wants used frames. Outside of GA, only 3 other operators globally.


Garuda Indonesia is actively seeking buyers for its fleet of Bombardier CRJ1000 aircraft. A senior executive at the airline, says the airline is speaking to airlines in the US to see if they would be interested to buy Garuda’s fleet of CRJ1000s.

The executive says the airline has decided the CRJ1000 is ill-suited to its Southeast Asia operation. Garuda became dissatisfied with the type due to a lack of product support in the region. The aircraft also needed to take off from 2000m-long runways, even though the airline originally wanted an aircraft that could access short runways.

Garuda acquired 18 CRJ1000 aircraft starting in 2012 to launch new air services linking tier-two and tier-three cities in Indonesia direct so as to bypass the country’s congested hub in Jakarta. Prior to the acquisition of the CRJ1000s, the airline’s domestic network was largely routed through Jakarta.


http://smartaviation-apac.com/2019/11/g ... -crj1000s/
 
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:22 am

There aren't really any operators in the US that will be interested. The only one I can see is Elite Airways picking up one or two cheap so they can do larger charters.

Maybe Hop would be interested in a few if the price was right but my inkling is that their fleet is already too large for their needs.

I always did have a business plan for a Moxy-like airline flying P2P flights on a used large RJ. These aircraft would be perfect for that. But I don't see that happening in reality.
 
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:30 am

With the airline has no replacement for the CRJ (Originally the MAX was due to replace the CRJ's until it got cancelled in March from 2 accidents), what will be the best aircraft for GA to replace the CRJ?
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:49 am

SQ789 wrote:
With the airline has no replacement for the CRJ (Originally the MAX was due to replace the CRJ's until it got cancelled in March from 2 accidents), what will be the best aircraft for GA to replace the CRJ?


The A220 is probably the most suitable aircraft for CRJ-1000's original stated mission (P2P routes avoiding CGK). However, I doubt how devoted Garuda are to providing those flights. Maybe they were big money losers and that's a key reason they're dropping the CRJ-1000 fleet and a different aircraft type wouldn't make it any better.
 
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:00 am

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The CRJ1000, simply put, wasn't the right aircraft for Garuda. The airline didn’t do it’s homework properly before choosing the CRJ. (They did the same mistake ordering B77Ws, only then to realize that due to pavement issues at CGK, the plane couldn't takeoff with a full load to Europe.)

The CRJ900 would have been a better fit. Now, they are paying the price.

Good luck trying to offload them to the US. It ain’t gonna happen. Scope clauses means US regionals cant operate them, and I fail to see a mainline carrier take such a small sub fleet of CRJs.
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:08 am

SQ789 wrote:
With the airline has no replacement for the CRJ (Originally the MAX was due to replace the CRJ's until it got cancelled in March from 2 accidents), what will be the best aircraft for GA to replace the CRJ?


The choices are A220, SpaceJet and E2.

A220 is probably the simplest solution - the -100 works fine for the short runways, the -300 works well for the thicker routes, the potential stretch provides a good replacement aircraft for older A320-200s and possibly some of the 737-8s Garuda had on order before the MAX groundings.

The SpaceJet is a more direct replacement but may not have the necessary range... however would have the lowest operating costs and be easiest to fill.

The E2 would be the least comfortable alternative but would be relatively easy to fill, and the three different models would provide a lot of flexibility. However the operating costs would probably be higher (acquisition costs may be lower though).

Personally I'd bet on A220 for commonality, fleet-simplification, flexibility and comfort reasons (GA do want to be the "full service carrier" after all), but who knows?
 
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:28 am

If Nigeria’s Arik Air was in normal mode like it was between 2012-15, it would have definitely been interested in 3-4 frames at least. The CR1 economics on domestic Nigeria and Accra services was very good and we used the plane also whenever down time was available to downgrade 70% SF flights on B737/738 to this aircraft type to save on costs.
 
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:36 am

Meanwhile, here in Louisville Kentucky USA (SDF), I keep seeing CRJ 200's and remember hearing TEN YEARS AGO that they would be phased out...
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:40 am

Thenoflyzone wrote:
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=559217

The CRJ1000, simply put, wasn't the right aircraft for Garuda. The airline didn’t do it’s homework properly before choosing the CRJ. (They did the same mistake ordering B77Ws, only then to realize that due to pavement issues at CGK, the plane couldn't takeoff with a full load to Europe.)

The CRJ900 would have been a better fit. Now, they are paying the price.

Good luck trying to offload them to the US. It ain’t gonna happen. Scope clauses means US regionals cant operate them, and I fail to see a mainline carrier take such a small sub fleet of CRJs.


Not only that, the CRJ1000 is a different type rating than the CRJ2/7/9, at least in the US.
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:00 am

Great opportunity for someone to snatch these up for parts as they share commonality with the CR7/CR9.
The simulator they have is also quite valuable and I expect CAE to buy it back and convert it to a CR9 to support their large training network.
 
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:21 am

A pity the CRJ1000 didn't become the great aircraft it had the potential of becoming... but I too wondered about the Garuda order at the time, and at least the aircraft did last for 6-7 years in their fleet - maybe longer if nobody buys or leases them.

One possibility is that Air Nostrum/Air France Hop/Lufthansa Group takes them and put 108-110 slimline seats at 30 inch pitch in them and block off 8-10 seats as extra room for business class passengers, which will make the aircraft true 100-seaters even with 8-10 business passengers onboard and still only two FAs. Might improve economics somewhat.

Is the sole Arik Air CRJ1000 still flying? Love the livery on that bird.
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:58 am

Air Nostrum in Spain have 26, and still have 13 RJ200+900s, maybe they can replace the smaller ones with more 1000s?
 
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:25 am

The second hand market is limited. Who would take a new type when the wait for A220 and E2 is relatively short? These will have to go cheap for, as already noted, a large portion of the potential market will not be interested.

A neat plane that was a late entrant for a prior generation.

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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:26 am

md11sdf wrote:
Meanwhile, here in Louisville Kentucky USA (SDF), I keep seeing CRJ 200's and remember hearing TEN YEARS AGO that they would be phased out...


How many scheduled passenger flights from SDF on a typical Monday? How many are on CR2s? DL has retired about 400 CR2/E145 since 2009.

Agree with other posters that the thought Garuda is going to sell a fleet of 18 CRJ1000s to a scheduled U.S. carrier is utterly daft. (Is it conceivable that a private jet operator would want them?)
 
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:46 am

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One possibility is that Air Nostrum/Air France Hop/Lufthansa Group takes them and put 108-110 slimline seats at 30 inch pitch in them and block off 8-10 seats as extra room for business class passengers, which will make the aircraft true 100-seaters even with 8-10 business passengers onboard and still only two FAs. Might improve economics somewhat.

The big problem there for Lufthansa Group is the observed performance of the A220 in Swiss has been just too good that they need to be getting a CRJ1000 at a considerable discount to make it worth their while.
 
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:03 pm

Thenoflyzone wrote:
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=559217

The CRJ1000, simply put, wasn't the right aircraft for Garuda. The airline didn’t do it’s homework properly before choosing the CRJ. (They did the same mistake ordering B77Ws, only then to realize that due to pavement issues at CGK, the plane couldn't takeoff with a full load to Europe.)

The CRJ900 would have been a better fit. Now, they are paying the price.

Good luck trying to offload them to the US. It ain’t gonna happen. Scope clauses means US regionals cant operate them, and I fail to see a mainline carrier take such a small sub fleet of CRJs.


Ding ding ding!

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Yep, the aircraft may be ill-suited for the airline but said airline should have done their homework, as you say, before committing multi-millions to it...

The E190 may have been a better option at the time.
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:04 pm

Thenoflyzone wrote:
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=559217

The CRJ1000, simply put, wasn't the right aircraft for Garuda. The airline didn’t do it’s homework properly before choosing the CRJ. (They did the same mistake ordering B77Ws, only then to realize that due to pavement issues at CGK, the plane couldn't takeoff with a full load to Europe.)

The CRJ900 would have been a better fit. Now, they are paying the price.


MoKa777 wrote:

Ding ding ding!

:checkmark:

Yep, the aircraft may be ill-suited for the airline but said airline should have done their homework, as you say, before committing multi-millions to it...


Well we learned a few months ago that Garuda’s CEO at the time probably received some kickbacks in regards to the CRJ1000 order. Bribery can be quite profitable for some, that’s why they are in the fleet.
 
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:08 pm

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CRJ900 wrote:
One possibility is that Air Nostrum/Air France Hop/Lufthansa Group takes them and put 108-110 slimline seats at 30 inch pitch in them and block off 8-10 seats as extra room for business class passengers, which will make the aircraft true 100-seaters even with 8-10 business passengers onboard and still only two FAs. Might improve economics somewhat.

The big problem there for Lufthansa Group is the observed performance of the A220 in Swiss has been just too good that they need to be getting a CRJ1000 at a considerable discount to make it worth their while.


Yup. Lufthansa operates the CRJ-900 not the CRJ-1000. So why would they want them? I am surprised that Lufthansa Cityline hasn't picked up the A220 yet.
 
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:44 pm

Well I still like EX Garuda CEO Emir.... He's the guy that transformed garuda into 5 stars airline. Like him or not, but he did something right
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:42 pm

Besides scope in the U.S, there is issue of pay. Not sure there are any pay rates established for the CRJ1000 among U.S. carriers. As a 100-seater it unlikely to be flown at smaller RJ rates.

The CRK is a an oddball plane with a very low production run. Not really wanted.
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:33 am

Thenoflyzone wrote:
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=559217

The CRJ1000, simply put, wasn't the right aircraft for Garuda. The airline didn’t do it’s homework properly before choosing the CRJ. (They did the same mistake ordering B77Ws, only then to realize that due to pavement issues at CGK, the plane couldn't takeoff with a full load to Europe.)

The CRJ900 would have been a better fit. Now, they are paying the price.

Good luck trying to offload them to the US. It ain’t gonna happen. Scope clauses means US regionals cant operate them, and I fail to see a mainline carrier take such a small sub fleet of CRJs.

GA should have been better order 787’s and E75’s rather than 77Ws or CRK’s back at that time in 2012 when they order for both types in that year.
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:35 am

Look at the business class as well, the seats are basic Economy and it’s not a real Business Class seats. I bet GA would not order CRK’s and better ordered another aircraft instead.
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:37 am

Is there no way to amend contracts and operate these like UA is operating the CR7 in the CR2 space?
 
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:50 am

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Well I still like EX Garuda CEO Emir.... He's the guy that transformed garuda into 5 stars airline. Like him or not, but he did something right

Well, he's the one who put GA in trouble right now (Skytrax fiasco, lease rate issues, etc). So no, he didn't do it right.
 
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:13 am

airzona11 wrote:
Is there no way to amend contracts and operate these like UA is operating the CR7 in the CR2 space?


No, labor won't give up bigger regional jets, for understandable reasons. It won't happen in the US.
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:23 am

LAXintl wrote:
Not sure there are any pay rates established for the CRJ1000 among U.S. carriers.

It is my understanding that Delta's pilot pay scale has the CRJ-1000 on it.
 
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:50 am

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A rare aircraft (only 63 built).
Not sure who wants used frames. Outside of GA, only 3 other operators globally.


Don't underestimate the European contract operators. I could definitely see Air Nostrum / CityJet, Nordica or some startup with similar business model going for these. I doubt they will be idle for long.
 
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:57 am

gia777 wrote:
Well I still like EX Garuda CEO Emir.... He's the guy that transformed garuda into 5 stars airline. Like him or not, but he did something right

He is the one who got arrested earlier this year for being a causality CEO. I don’t believe in your comment regarding Emirsyah is the best CEO in Garuda. He makes the airline to a mess now.
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:51 am

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gia777 wrote:
Well I still like EX Garuda CEO Emir.... He's the guy that transformed garuda into 5 stars airline. Like him or not, but he did something right

He is the one who got arrested earlier this year for being a causality CEO. I don’t believe in your comment regarding Emirsyah is the best CEO in Garuda. He makes the airline to a mess now.


Maybe, but Emir managed to transformed Garuda into a 5 stars airlines. I mean that;s a huge success. No CEO is a perfect CEO. But I believe Garuda is in mess now due to current CEO cutting cost and services and raising the price ticket like crazy and among other things like partnering with sriwijaya, trying to monopolize hte market and etc... Whether the guy corrupted or not, we don't know the whole story, also last time I checked he returned all the money he got from CRJ sales. I am afraid garuda will soon lose their 5 stars ratings if they keep continue like this
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:37 am

gia777 wrote:
SQ789 wrote:
gia777 wrote:
Well I still like EX Garuda CEO Emir.... He's the guy that transformed garuda into 5 stars airline. Like him or not, but he did something right

He is the one who got arrested earlier this year for being a causality CEO. I don’t believe in your comment regarding Emirsyah is the best CEO in Garuda. He makes the airline to a mess now.


Maybe, but Emir managed to transformed Garuda into a 5 stars airlines. I mean that;s a huge success. No CEO is a perfect CEO. But I believe Garuda is in mess now due to current CEO cutting cost and services and raising the price ticket like crazy and among other things like partnering with sriwijaya, trying to monopolize hte market and etc... Whether the guy corrupted or not, we don't know the whole story, also last time I checked he returned all the money he got from CRJ sales. I am afraid garuda will soon lose their 5 stars ratings if they keep continue like this

They should have lose their 5 star rating now rather than later. Because this is too late for everything to restart and things are doing so bad with Garuda and almost all of the Indonesian Aviation. First, Garuda should have just order 5 77W for Hajj flights only and should switch the ordered for 5-10 aircraft to the 787's or the A350's - But it's in the complete opposite. Emirsyah is once a good CEO until he got arrested for aircraft operation and maintenance reasons particularly on Rolls Royce scandals. And in Youtube, various aviation experts sends criticism against Garuda and they said that Garuda should have lost their 5 star ratings now since the incident between the airline and Rius Vernandes. Idk about the fate of LCC's in the country.
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:43 am

gia777 wrote:
SQ789 wrote:
gia777 wrote:
Well I still like EX Garuda CEO Emir.... He's the guy that transformed garuda into 5 stars airline. Like him or not, but he did something right

He is the one who got arrested earlier this year for being a causality CEO. I don’t believe in your comment regarding Emirsyah is the best CEO in Garuda. He makes the airline to a mess now.


Maybe, but Emir managed to transformed Garuda into a 5 stars airlines. I mean that;s a huge success. No CEO is a perfect CEO. But I believe Garuda is in mess now due to current CEO cutting cost and services and raising the price ticket like crazy and among other things like partnering with sriwijaya, trying to monopolize hte market and etc... Whether the guy corrupted or not, we don't know the whole story, also last time I checked he returned all the money he got from CRJ sales. I am afraid garuda will soon lose their 5 stars ratings if they keep continue like this

And not only that I mention earlier. Skytrax itself is also a mess as well. How come they also Gives Garuda a 5 star rating and downgrades Turkish rating though that TK did not even do large cost cutting like this. After downgrading, aviation enthusiasts makes the truth about Skytrax being corrupted as well. And Garuda is following Skytrax as well of being corrupted. There is only a hope for Garuda to be a top 40 airlines in 2020 meaning any such worst than most USA Airlines. If Skytrax managed to keep Garuda as a 5 star though it's not - then Skytrax should have file against lawsuit.
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:24 am

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The second hand market is limited. Who would take a new type when the wait for A220 and E2 is relatively short? These will have to go cheap for, as already noted, a large portion of the potential market will not be interested.

A neat plane that was a late entrant for a prior generation.

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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:46 am

gia777 wrote:
SQ789 wrote:
gia777 wrote:
Well I still like EX Garuda CEO Emir.... He's the guy that transformed garuda into 5 stars airline. Like him or not, but he did something right

He is the one who got arrested earlier this year for being a causality CEO. I don’t believe in your comment regarding Emirsyah is the best CEO in Garuda. He makes the airline to a mess now.


Maybe, but Emir managed to transformed Garuda into a 5 stars airlines. I mean that;s a huge success. No CEO is a perfect CEO. But I believe Garuda is in mess now due to current CEO cutting cost and services and raising the price ticket like crazy and among other things like partnering with sriwijaya, trying to monopolize hte market and etc... Whether the guy corrupted or not, we don't know the whole story, also last time I checked he returned all the money he got from CRJ sales. I am afraid garuda will soon lose their 5 stars ratings if they keep continue like this

But at what cost?

This cost cutting actually puts GA on the right track and made some profit. I'm really annoyed with some of Indonesian who complains about this cost cutting measure, yet don't want to pay for the premium. They basically demanded GA to have SQ level of service with FR price AND profitable at the same time. I don't want my tax money to be use to cover their loss, just so you can have some rice and several piece of chicken on your 1,5 hr flight!!
 
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:59 am

trent768 wrote:
gia777 wrote:
SQ789 wrote:
He is the one who got arrested earlier this year for being a causality CEO. I don’t believe in your comment regarding Emirsyah is the best CEO in Garuda. He makes the airline to a mess now.


Maybe, but Emir managed to transformed Garuda into a 5 stars airlines. I mean that;s a huge success. No CEO is a perfect CEO. But I believe Garuda is in mess now due to current CEO cutting cost and services and raising the price ticket like crazy and among other things like partnering with sriwijaya, trying to monopolize hte market and etc... Whether the guy corrupted or not, we don't know the whole story, also last time I checked he returned all the money he got from CRJ sales. I am afraid garuda will soon lose their 5 stars ratings if they keep continue like this

But at what cost?

This cost cutting actually puts GA on the right track and made some profit. I'm really annoyed with some of Indonesian who complains about this cost cutting measure, yet don't want to pay for the premium. They basically demanded GA to have SQ level of service with FR price AND profitable at the same time. I don't want my tax money to be use to cover their loss, just so you can have some rice and several piece of chicken on your 1,5 hr flight!!

I agree. Garuda alone is not only the one who did cost cutting, troubled airline like Norwegian etc does cost cutting as well. Airline like this needs to do cost cutting to save profit. No way you will let Garuda to do nothing and forcing them to end this cost cutting now because it is depends on it's management.
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:10 am

Maybe Japan's Ibex, well established CR2 / 7 operator, be tempted by a few to scale up ?
 
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:52 am

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Maybe Japan's Ibex, well established CR2 / 7 operator, be tempted by a few to scale up ?

Ibex is now an all CRJ7’s operator after retiring the CRJ In 2016. They have 10-15 examples of types in its fleet.
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:01 am

How about sending them to the new "Midwest Express" . For the right price they would fit perfectly
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:46 am

Couldnt SAS lease them to replace the dearly departed 736s, since they dont have any aircraft left at the 100-120 seat category?
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:03 pm

Then again, back in the 80s, Garuda successfully offloaded a bunch of raggedy old F28-1000 (and some 4000s) here in the US to Piedmont . . never say never! ;)
 
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:12 pm

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How about sending them to the new "Midwest Express" . For the right price they would fit perfectly


They're flying silly routes like MKE-GRR and CVG .. they don't need anything even close to 100 seats.
 
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How about sending them to the new "Midwest Express" . For the right price they would fit perfectly

I could see it if they wanted to grow and add some higher density routes like BOS/ORD/DFW/DTW/MSP/EWR/MCO/PHL/TPA/IAD, if their initial routes work. They aren't gonna be putting CRJ-1000s on routes like CVG/GRR/OMA which are the current routes they are launching with, but if they want to grow to bigger markets, then I could see it.
 
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:51 am

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How about sending them to the new "Midwest Express" . For the right price they would fit perfectly

Maybe. But I think Midwest Express would not be interested on flying this plane. Maybe CRJ2, CRJ7 OR CRJ9 would fit for Midwest.
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:58 am

Thenoflyzone wrote:
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=559217

The CRJ1000, simply put, wasn't the right aircraft for Garuda. The airline didn’t do it’s homework properly before choosing the CRJ. (They did the same mistake ordering B77Ws, only then to realize that due to pavement issues at CGK, the plane couldn't takeoff with a full load to Europe.)

The CRJ900 would have been a better fit. Now, they are paying the price.

Good luck trying to offload them to the US. It ain’t gonna happen. Scope clauses means US regionals cant operate them, and I fail to see a mainline carrier take such a small sub fleet of CRJs.

The former CEO of Garuda Emirsyah Satar was the one to blamed. He did not do it correctly like other CEO does. For example, they order 77W and it does not fit to fly to Europe. That does not make sense at all and GA should have ordered the 787's instead of 777's because it is only way to reach Europe perfectly and there is no need 77W at all. Emir and it's management at that time did not do it carefully before ordering it back in 2012. That reaction makes a lots of potential negative against the airline and like I said before, Satar is now arrested against these scandals mostly on RR bribes.
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:56 am

marcogr12 wrote:
Couldnt SAS lease them to replace the dearly departed 736s, since they dont have any aircraft left at the 100-120 seat category?


SAS already replaced the 737-600 with the A320neo and contracted CRJ-900s.

SAS made it clear that anything smaller than the A320 will be contracted from outside. Currently that requirement is met by the ATR 72 and CRJ-900. CityJet/Air Nostrum did place some CRJ-1000s on the contract for a short while.
 
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:12 pm

trent768 wrote:
gia777 wrote:
SQ789 wrote:
He is the one who got arrested earlier this year for being a causality CEO. I don’t believe in your comment regarding Emirsyah is the best CEO in Garuda. He makes the airline to a mess now.


Maybe, but Emir managed to transformed Garuda into a 5 stars airlines. I mean that;s a huge success. No CEO is a perfect CEO. But I believe Garuda is in mess now due to current CEO cutting cost and services and raising the price ticket like crazy and among other things like partnering with sriwijaya, trying to monopolize hte market and etc... Whether the guy corrupted or not, we don't know the whole story, also last time I checked he returned all the money he got from CRJ sales. I am afraid garuda will soon lose their 5 stars ratings if they keep continue like this

But at what cost?

This cost cutting actually puts GA on the right track and made some profit. I'm really annoyed with some of Indonesian who complains about this cost cutting measure, yet don't want to pay for the premium. They basically demanded GA to have SQ level of service with FR price AND profitable at the same time. I don't want my tax money to be use to cover their loss, just so you can have some rice and several piece of chicken on your 1,5 hr flight!!


You all are missing my points, their level of service was 5 stars before price went up. Now all tickets sold as Y class regardless where u go in domestic which is retarded. With all Y class fare I expect nothing to be downgraded.
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:38 pm

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Besides scope in the U.S, there is issue of pay. Not sure there are any pay rates established for the CRJ1000 among U.S. carriers. As a 100-seater it unlikely to be flown at smaller RJ rates.

The CRK is a an oddball plane with a very low production run. Not really wanted.

A big stretch, but they can do to the 1000 what they did to the 700 to make the 550. It wont happen but it's nit like it can't happen.
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:08 pm

TWA772LR wrote:
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LAXintl wrote:
Besides scope in the U.S, there is issue of pay. Not sure there are any pay rates established for the CRJ1000 among U.S. carriers. As a 100-seater it unlikely to be flown at smaller RJ rates.

The CRK is a an oddball plane with a very low production run. Not really wanted.

A big stretch, but they can do to the 1000 what they did to the 700 to make the 550. It wont happen but it's nit like it can't happen.


You could probably do a 18J, 28Y+, 30Y layout but at that point, why lose an existing 76 seat aircraft? Even if you just do the standard 12J/20Y+/44Y, not sure it justifies the longer aircraft and added cost of a separate type rating just for the addition of a cabin baggage closet.
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:15 pm

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LAXintl wrote:
Besides scope in the U.S, there is issue of pay. Not sure there are any pay rates established for the CRJ1000 among U.S. carriers. As a 100-seater it unlikely to be flown at smaller RJ rates.

The CRK is a an oddball plane with a very low production run. Not really wanted.

A big stretch, but they can do to the 1000 what they did to the 700 to make the 550. It wont happen but it's nit like it can't happen.
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:36 pm

Might be good fit for Hawaiian airlines for island hopping. The CF-34C’s on the CRJ-1000 are much cheaper to operate and maintain for their extreme duty cycle, compared to the BR’s on their 717’s. Capacity addition or possible replacement to the 717.
 
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:42 pm

airzona11 wrote:
Is there no way to amend contracts and operate these like UA is operating the CR7 in the CR2 space?



Yes they can, by amending the type certificate to 76 seats and 86,400lb. Those are the defined scope limits.


Even a 737 could be operated by a regional if the type certificate were amended to these limits.
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