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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:38 pm

Varsity1 wrote:
airzona11 wrote:
Is there no way to amend contracts and operate these like UA is operating the CR7 in the CR2 space?



Yes they can, by amending the type certificate to 76 seats and 86,400lb. Those are the defined scope limits.


Even a 737 could be operated by a regional if the type certificate were amended to these limits.


Training costs would be exponentially higher, as the CRJ1000 is a different type rating in the US
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:37 am

I hope this is a transparent transaction (as, to a publicly-traded U.S. firm that will need to disclose the price) so we can see just how little market value 18 CRJ1000s have.

DL may have a pilot pay rate but it isn't going to establish a new narrowbody mainline type for just 18 (and little prospect of getting meaningfully more).
 
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:20 am

gia777 wrote:
trent768 wrote:
gia777 wrote:

Maybe, but Emir managed to transformed Garuda into a 5 stars airlines. I mean that;s a huge success. No CEO is a perfect CEO. But I believe Garuda is in mess now due to current CEO cutting cost and services and raising the price ticket like crazy and among other things like partnering with sriwijaya, trying to monopolize hte market and etc... Whether the guy corrupted or not, we don't know the whole story, also last time I checked he returned all the money he got from CRJ sales. I am afraid garuda will soon lose their 5 stars ratings if they keep continue like this

But at what cost?

This cost cutting actually puts GA on the right track and made some profit. I'm really annoyed with some of Indonesian who complains about this cost cutting measure, yet don't want to pay for the premium. They basically demanded GA to have SQ level of service with FR price AND profitable at the same time. I don't want my tax money to be use to cover their loss, just so you can have some rice and several piece of chicken on your 1,5 hr flight!!


You all are missing my points, their level of service was 5 stars before price went up. Now all tickets sold as Y class regardless where u go in domestic which is retarded. With all Y class fare I expect nothing to be downgraded.

I know. Price went up makes non-sense at all and I'm unhappy with the business from Garuda. But I am going to be so proud if Garuda lost 5 star today and better go 2 star with many ULCC along with Lion Air. I don't take Garuda so far and that is the only remaining option. Order planes that are non-sense such as CRJ-1000 and 777-300ER is another bad reasons for Emirsyah and it's management. Good luck to Garuda for being a so 2 star in the future.
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:59 am

sixfootscream wrote:
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One possibility is that Air Nostrum/Air France Hop/Lufthansa Group takes them and put 108-110 slimline seats at 30 inch pitch in them and block off 8-10 seats as extra room for business class passengers, which will make the aircraft true 100-seaters even with 8-10 business passengers onboard and still only two FAs. Might improve economics somewhat.

The big problem there for Lufthansa Group is the observed performance of the A220 in Swiss has been just too good that they need to be getting a CRJ1000 at a considerable discount to make it worth their while.


Yup. Lufthansa operates the CRJ-900 not the CRJ-1000. So why would they want them? I am surprised that Lufthansa Cityline hasn't picked up the A220 yet.


LH Cityline flies a hell lot of really short segments, where a CRJ is highly competitive if cheap and the CRJ900 only has 79 seats thanks to Euro-J. That could go to 91-95 seats on the CRK. They are moving 9 narrow bodies net out of CityLine, and those are 100-120 seaters, so taking the CRJ1000 should be within scope.

But i don´t see them do it either.

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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:32 pm

SQ789 wrote:
gia777 wrote:
trent768 wrote:
But at what cost?

This cost cutting actually puts GA on the right track and made some profit. I'm really annoyed with some of Indonesian who complains about this cost cutting measure, yet don't want to pay for the premium. They basically demanded GA to have SQ level of service with FR price AND profitable at the same time. I don't want my tax money to be use to cover their loss, just so you can have some rice and several piece of chicken on your 1,5 hr flight!!


You all are missing my points, their level of service was 5 stars before price went up. Now all tickets sold as Y class regardless where u go in domestic which is retarded. With all Y class fare I expect nothing to be downgraded.

I know. Price went up makes non-sense at all and I'm unhappy with the business from Garuda. But I am going to be so proud if Garuda lost 5 star today and better go 2 star with many ULCC along with Lion Air. I don't take Garuda so far and that is the only remaining option. Order planes that are non-sense such as CRJ-1000 and 777-300ER is another bad reasons for Emirsyah and it's management. Good luck to Garuda for being a so 2 star in the future.


:) 4 Stars would be the correct one, but certainly not 5. Garuda has a very excellent cabin service :) but the rest sucks. You should check out the new business class of Garuda A330-900NEO....disappointing product. But I believe these below would be the ideal aircraft for garuda:

1. (5) B777-300ER / B777-9x later For Hajj
2. (10) B787-900 For Europe Routes and Middle East / Future USA Routes
3. (20) A330-900 NEO For North Asia and Australia Routes and some local heavy domestic routes
4. (50) A320NEO For South East Asia and Domestic Routes and they can swap pilots/plane each other with Citilink since all Citilink under A320. (no more 737)
5. (15) ATR72-600 For All short domestic routes

For the love of god, please get rid of First Class, their First Class product is not even close to SQ long haul business class quality. And they need to update their IFE and Economy Class products soon.

They should stick with Business Class and add Premium Economy.

Garuda will soon have a new CEO again, the current CEO is under investigation for Harley Motorbikes illegal purchase.... They were transported during A330-900NEO first flight ceremony without proper documents (suspect of corruption) :)
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:24 am

gia777 wrote:
SQ789 wrote:
gia777 wrote:

You all are missing my points, their level of service was 5 stars before price went up. Now all tickets sold as Y class regardless where u go in domestic which is retarded. With all Y class fare I expect nothing to be downgraded.

I know. Price went up makes non-sense at all and I'm unhappy with the business from Garuda. But I am going to be so proud if Garuda lost 5 star today and better go 2 star with many ULCC along with Lion Air. I don't take Garuda so far and that is the only remaining option. Order planes that are non-sense such as CRJ-1000 and 777-300ER is another bad reasons for Emirsyah and it's management. Good luck to Garuda for being a so 2 star in the future.


:) 4 Stars would be the correct one, but certainly not 5. Garuda has a very excellent cabin service :) but the rest sucks. You should check out the new business class of Garuda A330-900NEO....disappointing product. But I believe these below would be the ideal aircraft for garuda:

1. (5) B777-300ER / B777-9x later For Hajj
2. (10) B787-900 For Europe Routes and Middle East / Future USA Routes
3. (20) A330-900 NEO For North Asia and Australia Routes and some local heavy domestic routes
4. (50) A320NEO For South East Asia and Domestic Routes and they can swap pilots/plane each other with Citilink since all Citilink under A320. (no more 737)
5. (15) ATR72-600 For All short domestic routes

For the love of god, please get rid of First Class, their First Class product is not even close to SQ long haul business class quality. And they need to update their IFE and Economy Class products soon.

They should stick with Business Class and add Premium Economy.

Garuda will soon have a new CEO again, the current CEO is under investigation for Harley Motorbikes illegal purchase.... They were transported during A330-900NEO first flight ceremony without proper documents (suspect of corruption) :)

Agreed. First Class of Garuda does not make sense as well. And Emirsyah did something wrong as well - Having First Class, ordering planes that are non-sense, joining an alliance (Skyteam) (they Actually need to look at airline that does not join alliance and better continue be privatized instead and more E.g PAL, HNA etc). I don’t get it why would these Garuda managements do something wrong against Garuda. Garuda current CEO is under investigation to Harley Motorbikes purchase (Illegal and fined) and will likely resign soon. My suggestion - Garuda should leave ST, Convert 777 into 10 abreast, Remove First Class and go ahead with Premium Economy (If they want), stop partnering with other airlines within the country, ditch IFE On all NB aircraft, replace CRJs with other aircraft that works for Garuda, fly ATR for themselves rather than operating for QG, Closed many routes that are not profitable for Garuda And more.
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:10 am

Is there any chance Air Canada would have an interest in these? Oddball as the aircraft is, AC/Jazz seem happy using the -900 in a 2-class for a variety of thinner routes. Is it possible that these could play a similar role, especially as we wait to see how quickly the MAX issues are resolved?

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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:56 am

Jean Leloup wrote:
Is there any chance Air Canada would have an interest in these? Oddball as the aircraft is, AC/Jazz seem happy using the -900 in a 2-class for a variety of thinner routes. Is it possible that these could play a similar role, especially as we wait to see how quickly the MAX issues are resolved?

-JL


I was wondering the same thing given AC seems to have taken the approach of more CRJs and less Q400s lately. Chorus aka 'Jazz', already owns four CRJ1000 aircraft that it has leased out to other carriers. So I assume they already have some degree of how the aircraft performs economically.

I believe even with the latest CPA, Jazz is still restricted to 76 seats. This would have to be amended...
 
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:43 pm

Perhaps Moxy could take a few :duck:
 
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:55 pm

PK-GRA and GRC are both stored since Last year of June and December 2019. Looks like they are the first to be retired?
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Fri Feb 21, 2020 5:25 pm

Jean Leloup wrote:
Is there any chance Air Canada would have an interest in these? Oddball as the aircraft is, AC/Jazz seem happy using the -900 in a 2-class for a variety of thinner routes. Is it possible that these could play a similar role, especially as we wait to see how quickly the MAX issues are resolved?

-JL


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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Fri Feb 21, 2020 6:56 pm

Why did they order it in the first place?

Was it the former CEO?
 
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:01 pm

If they've been taking them since 2012, then they don't have the new Atmosphere interior. Can those 18 frames be upgraded to the Atmosphere interior?
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:26 pm

concordeforever wrote:
Air Nostrum in Spain have 26, and still have 13 RJ200+900s, maybe they can replace the smaller ones with more 1000s?


Their last modified order was for 35 (5 900 conversions, two batches of 15 + 15). They must have reduced the order at sometime. Are they happy with them?
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:37 pm

FiscAutTecGarte wrote:
If they've been taking them since 2012, then they don't have the new Atmosphere interior. Can those 18 frames be upgraded to the Atmosphere interior?


Actually, not a single CRJ1000 was ever delivered with the Atmosphere cabin as it came along after CRJ1000 sales dried up.I always thought the CRJ1000 would see a few more sales.
The Atmosphere requires the higher window line, no.... Although the CRJ1000 was a CRJ NG plane, did it have the higher window line? I thought higher window lines came along with the NG introduction, not the Atmosphere interior change.... Guess I'm a bit confused.
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:18 pm

Actually its the floor that was lowered for the CRJ700/900 and the 1000. But I see your point...
 
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:54 am

VV wrote:
Why did they order it in the first place?

Was it the former CEO?

Yes. Emirsyah Satar was the one to blamed for this order. Like what Trent768 said, he is the one who put GA into scandal now.
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:56 am

FiscAutTecGarte wrote:
If they've been taking them since 2012, then they don't have the new Atmosphere interior. Can those 18 frames be upgraded to the Atmosphere interior?

I don't think so. If GA ordered CR9 instead of this, then I think it is possible to be upgraded to the Atmosphere interior.
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:49 am

SQ789 wrote:
VV wrote:
Why did they order it in the first place?

Was it the former CEO?

Yes. Emirsyah Satar was the one to blamed for this order. Like what Trent768 said, he is the one who put GA into scandal now.


Which scandal?
 
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:58 am

VV wrote:
SQ789 wrote:
VV wrote:
Why did they order it in the first place?

Was it the former CEO?

Yes. Emirsyah Satar was the one to blamed for this order. Like what Trent768 said, he is the one who put GA into scandal now.


Which scandal?

Fleet issues, Crew scandals, Leasing rate issues and much more.
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Sat Feb 22, 2020 8:19 am

SQ789 wrote:
VV wrote:
SQ789 wrote:
Yes. Emirsyah Satar was the one to blamed for this order. Like what Trent768 said, he is the one who put GA into scandal now.


Which scandal?

Fleet issues, Crew scandals, Leasing rate issues and much more.


Why did you mention leasing rate? Is the leasing rate too high?
How come they did not check it using the aircraft market value reference like the one published by Avitas?
Please do not tell me something fishy is happening there.
 
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:12 am

SQ789 wrote:
PK-GRA and GRC are both stored since Last year of June and December 2019. Looks like they are the first to be retired?

Also GRE was also stored since earlier this month and looks set to be the third.
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:17 am

Garuda ceased their to Christmas Island (XCH/YPXM) services today. GRH operated the final flight.
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:35 pm

Since 12 March, GA has been operation one of it's normal CRK route with 738 instead. The UPG-SUB-SRG/SRG-SUB-LOP/LOP-SUB-SRG/SRG-SUB-UPG route since that day. Not sure why and GA did not informed about the aircraft change. Maybe due to suspension of China service?
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Mon May 11, 2020 9:52 am

Could GA just retire the CRJ-1000 after all since the demand to recover from this crisis takes years?
 
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Re: Garuda Phasing Out CRJ1000

Mon May 11, 2020 9:59 am

CAE would be wise to re-aquire their CRK simulator and relocate it to the US or Canada.

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