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United extends Mesa contract; add 20 more E175s

Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:41 pm

New contract running through 2028.

In summary changes:

o Extension 42 United-owned Embraer E175s for five years with rights to further extensions to 2027-2028.
o Adding 20 new Embraer E175 aircraft under a 12-year capacity purchase agreement
o 20 existing CRJ-700 aircraft to be subleased to another UAX carrier for 7-years (future CRJ550?)

Mesa Air Group Adds New Aircraft, Extends Contract with United Airlines
http://investor.mesa-air.com/news-relea ... act-united

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Re: Mesa extends UA contract; add 20 more E175s

Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:45 pm

Where are the 20 E175s coming from? New order, or from their existing fleet?
 
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Re: Mesa extends UA contract; add 20 more E175s

Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:47 pm

Someone83 wrote:
Where are the 20 E175s coming from? New order, or from their existing fleet?


New, 70 seat, 1:1 replacements of CR7s.
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Re: Mesa extends UA contract; add 20 more E175s

Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:48 pm

this should read: United extends Mesa contract.
 
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Re: Mesa extends UA contract; add 20 more E175s

Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:02 pm

LAXintl wrote:
o 20 existing CRJ-700 aircraft to be subleased to another UAX carrier for 7-years (future CRJ550?)


Bingo. 20 CR7 become 20 CR5, and 20 E75SC (70-seaters) are added.

I believe this leaves only the 19 OO CR7s in a 70-seat configuration, primarily for ASE service.
 
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Re: Mesa extends UA contract; add 20 more E175s

Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:09 pm

The real mystery is who will operate this batch of 550s, assuming they do get converted.
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Re: Mesa extends UA contract; add 20 more E175s

Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:14 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
The real mystery is who will operate this batch of 550s, assuming they do get converted.


I imagine it would be GoJet!

No confirmation on that obviously but it would make sense. The fleet for G7 is showing up to 54 CR7/CR550.

codc10 wrote:

I believe this leaves only the 19 OO CR7s in a 70-seat configuration, primarily for ASE service.

It is amazing to see how much we have dwindled down on CRJ700 flying under the United Brand.

Shocking to not see anymore CR7's basically. It's good news in a way, means more E175's.

Now...to get rid of those pesky CRJ200's... hahaha


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Re: Mesa extends UA contract; add 20 more E175s

Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:22 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
The real mystery is who will operate this batch of 550s, assuming they do get converted.


If they aren't going to GoJet, my bet is Air Whiskey. The CPA is until 2023, with a three-year renewal, but I think UA has the option to draw down CR2s sooner than that if replaced by other flying.
 
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Re: Mesa extends UA contract; add 20 more E175s

Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:54 pm

codc10 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
o 20 existing CRJ-700 aircraft to be subleased to another UAX carrier for 7-years (future CRJ550?)


Bingo. 20 CR7 become 20 CR5, and 20 E75SC (70-seaters) are added.

I believe this leaves only the 19 OO CR7s in a 70-seat configuration, primarily for ASE service.


GoJet already has the stock they need for the 54 airframe, from 700s they operate current and the leases from OO. There is zero chance G7 could staff an additional 20 frames, it’s doubtful that they’ll ever properly staff the 54
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Re: Mesa extends UA contract; add 20 more E175s

Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:09 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
codc10 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
o 20 existing CRJ-700 aircraft to be subleased to another UAX carrier for 7-years (future CRJ550?)


Bingo. 20 CR7 become 20 CR5, and 20 E75SC (70-seaters) are added.

I believe this leaves only the 19 OO CR7s in a 70-seat configuration, primarily for ASE service.


GoJet already has the stock they need for the 54 airframe, from 700s they operate current and the leases from OO. There is zero chance G7 could staff an additional 20 frames, it’s doubtful that they’ll ever properly staff the 54


Could be leased to G7 at a better rate than the OO frames helping the overall profitability of the CRJ-550 operation. Not sure anyone other than G7 would want to touch a Mesa maintained CR7 either.
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Re: Mesa extends UA contract; add 20 more E175s

Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:40 pm

codc10 wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
The real mystery is who will operate this batch of 550s, assuming they do get converted.


If they aren't going to GoJet, my bet is Air Whiskey. The CPA is until 2023, with a three-year renewal, but I think UA has the option to draw down CR2s sooner than that if replaced by other flying.


Yeah, Air Wisconsin's CR2's are pretty long in the tooth and transitioning to the CR5 would provide more long-term stability for Air Wisconsin. The only downside to them is that they would no longer own any operational aircraft (perhaps they can keep their best/freshest CR2's and fly charters?)

I think during the CR5 conversion process that there is enough expert attention on the airframe the fact that the frames were formerly maintained by YV becomes a non-issue.

I think that if the conversion of these CR7's is firmed up, it confirms that the CR5 is working at least from an operational perspective and has proven to be at least economically viable if not adventageous

I think another question is where these frames will be based. Will they just add more CR5 flights to ORD and EWR or will they open an IAD or IAH base?
 
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Re: Mesa extends UA contract; add 20 more E175s

Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:13 pm

drdisque wrote:

I think that if the conversion of these CR7's is firmed up, it confirms that the CR5 is working at least from an operational perspective and has proven to be at least economically viable if not adventageous

I think another question is where these frames will be based. Will they just add more CR5 flights to ORD and EWR or will they open an IAD or IAH base?


I think whats more likely is that IAH and IAD will get more E175s. That will be good for IAH because there are still a good number of flights operated on the E145. I would see ORD and EWR keeping the CR5.
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Re: United extends Mesa contract; add 20 more E175s

Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:37 pm

Mesa Air Group, Inc. (NASDAQ: MESA) announced today it will add 20 new Embraer E175 LL aircraft to its United Express fleet. The aircraft will be owned and financed by Mesa and be covered under a 12-year capacity purchase agreement.

Did they take over the UA order from last summer? Or is this in addition to to UA order?? Well until ASE can get a 175 certified to go in there OO will still be flying the 700’s (19 of them)
 
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Re: United extends Mesa contract; add 20 more E175s

Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:09 pm

amcnd wrote:
Well until ASE can get a 175 certified to go in there OO will still be flying the 700’s (19 of them)


The runway expansion project seems stalled for now, so the CR7 will have a profitable niche for at least another 4-5 years in the regional fleets of UA, AA and DL.
 
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Re: Mesa extends UA contract; add 20 more E175s

Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:35 pm

Someone83 wrote:
Where are the 20 E175s coming from? New order, or from their existing fleet?

Likely from the E175 order they made at PAS19.

"United Airlines Makes Huge Order Of 20+19 Embraer E175 Jets"
https://simpleflying.com/united-airlines-e175-order/
 
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Re: Mesa extends UA contract; add 20 more E175s

Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:12 pm

atrude777 wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
The real mystery is who will operate this batch of 550s, assuming they do get converted.


I imagine it would be GoJet!

No confirmation on that obviously but it would make sense. The fleet for G7 is showing up to 54 CR7/CR550.

codc10 wrote:

I believe this leaves only the 19 OO CR7s in a 70-seat configuration, primarily for ASE service.

It is amazing to see how much we have dwindled down on CRJ700 flying under the United Brand.

Shocking to not see anymore CR7's basically. It's good news in a way, means more E175's.

Now...to get rid of those pesky CRJ200's... hahaha


Alex

isn't the CR550 just a cr700 airframe?
 
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Re: Mesa extends UA contract; add 20 more E175s

Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:15 pm

drdisque wrote:
codc10 wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
The real mystery is who will operate this batch of 550s, assuming they do get converted.


If they aren't going to GoJet, my bet is Air Whiskey. The CPA is until 2023, with a three-year renewal, but I think UA has the option to draw down CR2s sooner than that if replaced by other flying.


Yeah, Air Wisconsin's CR2's are pretty long in the tooth and transitioning to the CR5 would provide more long-term stability for Air Wisconsin. The only downside to them is that they would no longer own any operational aircraft (perhaps they can keep their best/freshest CR2's and fly charters?)

I think during the CR5 conversion process that there is enough expert attention on the airframe the fact that the frames were formerly maintained by YV becomes a non-issue.

I think that if the conversion of these CR7's is firmed up, it confirms that the CR5 is working at least from an operational perspective and has proven to be at least economically viable if not adventageous

I think another question is where these frames will be based. Will they just add more CR5 flights to ORD and EWR or will they open an IAD or IAH base?

so? Air Wisconsin couldn't themselves buy and operate any airplanes? or are they latched to whatever United buys and tells them to fly?
 
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Re: United extends Mesa contract; add 20 more E175s

Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:25 pm

While the 175s are certainly an upgrade from the CR7 (especially YV's), it's a shame to see UA continue to partner with subpar, poorly-run regionals. Instead of being smart and simplifying their regional operation to provide more continuity, such as DL has done recently, UA's regional product will continue to be a hodgepodge of aircraft and products.
 
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Re: United extends Mesa contract; add 20 more E175s

Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:33 pm

flycmh2009 wrote:
While the 175s are certainly an upgrade from the CR7 (especially YV's), it's a shame to see UA continue to partner with subpar, poorly-run regionals. Instead of being smart and simplifying their regional operation to provide more continuity, such as DL has done recently, UA's regional product will continue to be a hodgepodge of aircraft and products.


Agree 100%. UA likes the cheapest regionals, because, well, they have the cheapest product.
 
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Re: Mesa extends UA contract; add 20 more E175s

Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:35 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
The real mystery is who will operate this batch of 550s, assuming they do get converted.


Air Wisconsin?
 
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:35 pm

strfyr51 wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
The real mystery is who will operate this batch of 550s, assuming they do get converted.


I imagine it would be GoJet!

No confirmation on that obviously but it would make sense. The fleet for G7 is showing up to 54 CR7/CR550.

codc10 wrote:

I believe this leaves only the 19 OO CR7s in a 70-seat configuration, primarily for ASE service.

It is amazing to see how much we have dwindled down on CRJ700 flying under the United Brand.

Shocking to not see anymore CR7's basically. It's good news in a way, means more E175's.

Now...to get rid of those pesky CRJ200's... hahaha


Alex

isn't the CR550 just a cr700 airframe?


A CR7 with 10k lower gross weight, which (as I understand) effectively negates operations out of DEN.
 
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:43 pm

freakyrat wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
The real mystery is who will operate this batch of 550s, assuming they do get converted.


Air Wisconsin?


Can say with near certainty, it'll be GoJet. They already have 550 on property and just lost all their DL flying so have plenty of excess staffing to accommodate as they transfer from Mesa. Big picture, it's just UA shuffling around capacity (airframes).
 
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:12 pm

flycmh2009 wrote:
freakyrat wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
The real mystery is who will operate this batch of 550s, assuming they do get converted.


Air Wisconsin?


Can say with near certainty, it'll be GoJet. They already have 550 on property and just lost all their DL flying so have plenty of excess staffing to accommodate as they transfer from Mesa. Big picture, it's just UA shuffling around capacity (airframes).


Losing the Delta flying (they haven’t lost the 900s, yet), only gives them basically enough staffing to cover the 54 550s. Adding another 20, in the current hiring environment, will be extremely tough, unless they merge Compass into GoJet
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Re: United extends Mesa contract; add 20 more E175s

Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:57 pm

Ugh, I just wish we could get a comfortable replacement for the 120, 135, and 145.
 
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Re: United extends Mesa contract; add 20 more E175s

Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:16 am

Could they go to compass? Then all of TSH is UALX, then again it's still hulas's flying circus.
 
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Re: Mesa extends UA contract; add 20 more E175s

Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:33 am

Runway28L wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
Where are the 20 E175s coming from? New order, or from their existing fleet?

Likely from the E175 order they made at PAS19.

"United Airlines Makes Huge Order Of 20+19 Embraer E175 Jets"
https://simpleflying.com/united-airlines-e175-order/


Good catch, didn't connect the prior order to this - probably right. Also, that article, lol, huge is a bit of an exaggeration.
 
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Re: Mesa extends UA contract; add 20 more E175s

Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:01 am

codc10 wrote:
A CR7 with 10k lower gross weight, which (as I understand) effectively negates operations out of DEN.


I watched a 550 take off from GRR yesterday- granted it was a little blustery, but it rotated in about 3500 feet and they climbed to their initial clearance altitude of 4000 feet in what seemed seconds.... Very sporty
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Re: Mesa extends UA contract; add 20 more E175s

Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:58 pm

tjwgrr wrote:
codc10 wrote:
A CR7 with 10k lower gross weight, which (as I understand) effectively negates operations out of DEN.


I watched a 550 take off from GRR yesterday- granted it was a little blustery, but it rotated in about 3500 feet and they climbed to their initial clearance altitude of 4000 feet in what seemed seconds.... Very sporty


Presumably to ORD... on such a short sector I'd be concerned if performance appeared sluggish!
 
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Re: United extends Mesa contract; add 20 more E175s

Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:01 pm

flycmh2009 wrote:
While the 175s are certainly an upgrade from the CR7 (especially YV's), it's a shame to see UA continue to partner with subpar, poorly-run regionals. Instead of being smart and simplifying their regional operation to provide more continuity, such as DL has done recently, UA's regional product will continue to be a hodgepodge of aircraft and products.


As much as I dislike Mesa, they actually perform at or near the top for United Express (probably due to a heavily skewed new fleet and less delay prone hubs of IAH/IAD). And with this order, they will be the largest E175 operator for UAX, so if they were to dwindle down their flying partners, Mesa probably wouldn't be one of them.
 
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Re: Mesa extends UA contract; add 20 more E175s

Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:12 pm

codc10 wrote:
tjwgrr wrote:
codc10 wrote:
A CR7 with 10k lower gross weight, which (as I understand) effectively negates operations out of DEN.


I watched a 550 take off from GRR yesterday- granted it was a little blustery, but it rotated in about 3500 feet and they climbed to their initial clearance altitude of 4000 feet in what seemed seconds.... Very sporty


Presumably to ORD... on such a short sector I'd be concerned if performance appeared sluggish!


Having talked to a few pilots flying them the word is customers are really liking it. When I asked about them the most common response was it’s a rocket!!!
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:04 pm

Great thrust-to-weight, not great fuel capacity with a full load of pax!
 
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who converts crj to crj550? Mitsubishi?
 
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leghorn wrote:
who converts crj to crj550? Mitsubishi?



Bombardier.
 
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Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:07 am

Combo of Bombardier in Tucson and GoJet in STL.

leghorn wrote:
who converts crj to crj550? Mitsubishi?
 
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Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:14 am

LAXintl wrote:
New contract running through 2028.

In summary changes:

o Extension 42 United-owned Embraer E175s for five years with rights to further extensions to 2027-2028.
o Adding 20 new Embraer E175 aircraft under a 12-year capacity purchase agreement
o 20 existing CRJ-700 aircraft to be subleased to another UAX carrier for 7-years (future CRJ550?)

Mesa Air Group Adds New Aircraft, Extends Contract with United Airlines
http://investor.mesa-air.com/news-relea ... act-united

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Well, that should finish Compass, then.
 
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Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:25 am

So these 20 CR7s being converted to CRJ550s are not included in the 54 Go Jet already has in the works correct? These are additional, Bringing the total to 74?


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Re: United extends Mesa contract; add 20 more E175s

Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:38 am

FlyingElvii wrote:
Well, that should finish Compass, then.


What does this have to do with Compass? Compass doesn't fly for UA.

STT757 wrote:
So these 20 CR7s being converted to CRJ550s are not included in the 54 Go Jet already has in the works correct? These are additional, Bringing the total to 74?


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Not sure we've gotten a full answer, there is a possibility that it replaces 20 of the OO frames and OO is going to hold on to those.
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Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:27 am

alasizon wrote:
FlyingElvii wrote:
Well, that should finish Compass, then.


What does this have to do with Compass? Compass doesn't fly for UA.

If you‘ve looked at the compass APC forums in the last couple months, or talked to any compass pilots lately (until this announcement), they were all but certain they were going to get this newly awarded UAL flying.

Going forward after their delta jets leave (last of which is in June I believe), they will be a 20 airplane airline, and the likelihood of them staying afloat is questionable without some additional flying.
 
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MO11 wrote:
leghorn wrote:
who converts crj to crj550? Mitsubishi?



Bombardier.

Why aren't they tweeting this. This is a major refurbishment contract win that warrants being reported.
 
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JoseSalazar wrote:
alasizon wrote:
FlyingElvii wrote:
Well, that should finish Compass, then.


What does this have to do with Compass? Compass doesn't fly for UA.

If you‘ve looked at the compass APC forums in the last couple months, or talked to any compass pilots lately (until this announcement), they were all but certain they were going to get this newly awarded UAL flying.

Going forward after their delta jets leave (last of which is in June I believe), they will be a 20 airplane airline, and the likelihood of them staying afloat is questionable without some additional flying.


They (Compass) own a grand total of 0 of those 20 airplanes. On top of the fact that it's been rumored for years that AA may move those airplanes to Envoy. After AA I don't know whom they can offer their services to. As e175 operations go DL went with Skywest & Republic...UA went with ExpressJet & Mesa...AS went with Horizon and Skywest and finally AA possibly solely with Envoy
 
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INFINITI329 wrote:
JoseSalazar wrote:
alasizon wrote:

What does this have to do with Compass? Compass doesn't fly for UA.

If you‘ve looked at the compass APC forums in the last couple months, or talked to any compass pilots lately (until this announcement), they were all but certain they were going to get this newly awarded UAL flying.

Going forward after their delta jets leave (last of which is in June I believe), they will be a 20 airplane airline, and the likelihood of them staying afloat is questionable without some additional flying.


They (Compass) own a grand total of 0 of those 20 airplanes. On top of the fact that it's been rumored for years that AA may move those airplanes to Envoy. After AA I don't know whom they can offer their services to. As e175 operations go DL went with Skywest & Republic...UA went with ExpressJet & Mesa...AS went with Horizon and Skywest and finally AA possibly solely with Envoy


AA's Republic birds aren't going anywhere either.

I think CP's pilots were holding out hope but there was never a realistic chance (in my opinion) that these birds were going to CP. Adding yet another carrier to the UAX mix probably isn't what UA wanted. The problem for CP is they are a paper airline, they have no real assets except for employees.
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alasizon wrote:
INFINITI329 wrote:
JoseSalazar wrote:
If you‘ve looked at the compass APC forums in the last couple months, or talked to any compass pilots lately (until this announcement), they were all but certain they were going to get this newly awarded UAL flying.

Going forward after their delta jets leave (last of which is in June I believe), they will be a 20 airplane airline, and the likelihood of them staying afloat is questionable without some additional flying.


They (Compass) own a grand total of 0 of those 20 airplanes. On top of the fact that it's been rumored for years that AA may move those airplanes to Envoy. After AA I don't know whom they can offer their services to. As e175 operations go DL went with Skywest & Republic...UA went with ExpressJet & Mesa...AS went with Horizon and Skywest and finally AA possibly solely with Envoy


AA's Republic birds aren't going anywhere either.

I think CP's pilots were holding out hope but there was never a realistic chance (in my opinion) that these birds were going to CP. Adding yet another carrier to the UAX mix probably isn't what UA wanted. The problem for CP is they are a paper airline, they have no real assets except for employees.


You're right, I completely forgot about American & Republic
 
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strfyr51 wrote:
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so? Air Wisconsin couldn't themselves buy and operate any airplanes? or are they latched to whatever United buys and tells them to fly?


Capital expenditure decisions are not taken lightly. Air Wisconsin can buy and operate any airplane they like, of course. Getting anyone to pay for those operations is a whole different story. Not to mention that if any of their airplanes is larger than current scope of their mainline partners allows -- their mainline contracts are forfeited, AFAIR?

So, just going out and buying "any airplane they like" might not be prudent.
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Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos