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SAS in the market for a 120-150 seat aircraft

Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:44 am

SAS, which is currently phasing out their 737s with A320neo, does in the recent financial report (see page 9) identifies a need for a midsize jet with 120-150, to fill a gap between the CRJ-900 and A320neo in their fleet. My understanding here is a need for about +-20 aircraft

https://www.sasgroup.net/en/wp-content/ ... tation.pdf
 
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Re: SAS in the market for a 120-150 seat aircraft

Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:49 am

A220 fits in that range
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Re: SAS in the market for a 120-150 seat aircraft

Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:52 am

AECM wrote:
A220

Written all over it, I agree. Although the E2-195 cannot be totally ruled out.
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Re: SAS in the market for a 120-150 seat aircraft

Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:58 am

100/1 outsider SuperJet with 125 seats.

Now hear me out...They're geographically close to Russia and all the other components are easily accessible in Europe nearby.

maybe make it 1000/1 outsider.
 
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Re: SAS in the market for a 120-150 seat aircraft

Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:30 am

This has A220 written all over it.
 
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Re: SAS in the market for a 120-150 seat aircraft

Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:41 am

So they finally decided they needed something in between? I wonder if they will keep this one in-house or contract it out to someone else.
 
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Re: SAS in the market for a 120-150 seat aircraft

Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:45 am

VSMUT wrote:
I wonder if they will keep this one in-house or contract it out to someone else.


That is also one of the questions. In practice they don't have room in their employee agreement to fully outsource this, but they do consider establish an in-house company to take care of this
 
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Re: SAS in the market for a 120-150 seat aircraft

Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:52 am

If it's a smallish subfleet, wouldn't the A319NEO be worth considering? It's current A319 CEO's have a 150 seat capacity so it fits within the remit.

While heavier than the A220, this could be offset by lower training and maintenance costs due to fleet commonality.
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Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:55 am

Someone83 wrote:
VSMUT wrote:
I wonder if they will keep this one in-house or contract it out to someone else.


That is also one of the questions. In practice they don't have room in their employee agreement to fully outsource this, but they do consider establish an in-house company to take care of this


Check-in.dk says: "Det bliver i en konstruktion med et nyt selskab eller muligvis et joint venture."

So I guess at the very least something like SAS Ireland again, unfortunately.
 
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Re: SAS in the market for a 120-150 seat aircraft

Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:07 pm

If they don't order the A220 call me Deborah and light me on fire
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Re: SAS in the market for a 120-150 seat aircraft

Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:14 pm

All B737Ng are being replaced by A320neo. All their widebodies are Airbus.

They wet-leased ATR and Bombardier.

The answers is clear, A220-300.
 
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Re: SAS in the market for a 120-150 seat aircraft

Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:34 pm

I think the choice is between the Canadian "Airbus" and the Embraer 195-E2. No doubt that the A223 is the most likely, but if they can get a good deal on the E2, I wouldn't be surprised to see that one as the winner
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Re: SAS in the market for a 120-150 seat aircraft

Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:45 pm

Or just get secondhand A319s a la United. Not everything has to be shiny and new.
 
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Re: SAS in the market for a 120-150 seat aircraft

Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:52 pm

With the pressure they're under from flight shaming to reduce emissions, I doubt they would go second hand.
 
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Re: SAS in the market for a 120-150 seat aircraft

Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:59 pm

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Or just get secondhand A319s a la United. Not everything has to be shiny and new.

They don't need short term solutions they need long term solutions, therefore only new builds are possible
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Re: SAS in the market for a 120-150 seat aircraft

Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:11 pm

A220-300 vs. E2-195 - i'm definitely leaning towards the A220-300! :D
 
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Re: SAS in the market for a 120-150 seat aircraft

Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:51 pm

Since they already operate A319, A319neo could be an option if they keep it in-house.

If they decide to construct a new subsidiary, the A220-300 would be a perfect match.
 
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Re: SAS in the market for a 120-150 seat aircraft

Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:59 pm

Title of this thread needs to be changed to: SAS seeking A220s

We all know that's what SAS should do. Let's see whether that's what SAS actually does, since common sense doesn't always prevail.
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Re: SAS in the market for a 120-150 seat aircraft

Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:07 pm

I didn't see that coming, but I'd love to see A220 in SAS colours!

aerokiwi wrote:
Or just get secondhand A319s a la United. Not everything has to be shiny and new.


An A319ceo uses more fuel than an A320neo, so that doesn't make any sense.
 
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Re: SAS in the market for a 120-150 seat aircraft

Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:13 pm

I cant see them taking A319s, CEO or NEO, it's just not competitive in Europe where the LCCs are operating 186/189 seat A320/738 or 230-240 seat A321s. Even mainline carriers like LH and BA are CY180+
 
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Re: SAS in the market for a 120-150 seat aircraft

Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:29 pm

I wouldn't completely rule the A319NEO out here.

Still think the balance of probability lies with the A220 however.
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Re: SAS in the market for a 120-150 seat aircraft

Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:30 pm

SAS already have codeshare with Air Baltic, an A220 operator.
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:58 pm

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If it's a smallish subfleet, wouldn't the A319NEO be worth considering? It's current A319 CEO's have a 150 seat capacity so it fits within the remit.

While heavier than the A220, this could be offset by lower training and maintenance costs due to fleet commonality.


It would if they value fleet simplification which is a core value and advantage of LCCs. Another type for just 20 narrowbodies? Crazy.
 
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Re: SAS in the market for a 120-150 seat aircraft

Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:01 pm

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SAS already have codeshare with Air Baltic, an A220 operator.

And what's your point? They also codeshare with Swiss and Egypair, both A220 operators. Not to mention AC a soon to be A220 operator.
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Re: SAS in the market for a 120-150 seat aircraft

Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:03 pm

As much as I hope they buy CSeries, they could wetlease capacity from Wideroe, no? They've got the right planes already and I'm sure Embraer could deliver more in a relatively short timeframe. The 29 inch seat pitch isn't really inline with the SAS brand though.

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VSMUT wrote:
I wonder if they will keep this one in-house or contract it out to someone else.


That is also one of the questions. In practice they don't have room in their employee agreement to fully outsource this, but they do consider establish an in-house company to take care of this


Did somebody say Scandinavian Airlines Malta? :stirthepot:
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Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:06 pm

Given their network, I believe that the E295 is better suited for them. SK could establish another subsidiary to fly this model...and they don’t need the full range or capabilities of the BCS3.
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:18 pm

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Given their network, I believe that the E295 is better suited for them. SK could establish another subsidiary to fly this model...and they don’t need the full range or capabilities of the BCS3.


I'm personally intrigued, where does the economics between the E295 & A220 differ, and thus why its better for their network?
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:26 pm

zkojq wrote:
As much as I hope they buy CSeries, they could wetlease capacity from Wideroe, no? They've got the right planes already and I'm sure Embraer could deliver more in a relatively short timeframe.


It cannot be wetlease under the current pilot agreement, as SAS more or less has maxed out their wetlease quota
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:33 pm

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Given their network, I believe that the E295 is better suited for them. SK could establish another subsidiary to fly this model...and they don’t need the full range or capabilities of the BCS3.


I am a bit puzzled by this.

Range, why would they not need the range? SAS already uses the CRJ on pretty long routes, I flew on one from Copenhagen to Bucharest, around 2:30. The A319s and 737-700s see some pretty long flights too.
But the A220 isn't a poor bird at short range flying in the first place, as witnessed by Swiss' and Air Baltic's networks. It was designed for that job.
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:37 pm

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Given their network, I believe that the E295 is better suited for them. SK could establish another subsidiary to fly this model...and they don’t need the full range or capabilities of the BCS3.

Both have their pros and cons. But why don't they need the cspsbilities and range of the A223? How many airlines have ordered the A223 specifically for that? BT, LX etc. mainly operate them on shorter flights anyway.
I would say that those two things that you said are actually what makes the A223 attractive. It will mean that they could operate to some smaller markets seasonal markets, such as Greenland and some of the Greek Islands etc too.
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Re: SAS in the market for a 120-150 seat aircraft

Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:10 pm

Maybe have WF flying E2 for them? :-D I agree this seems like a A220 offering. If their A321LR is successful they can also use the A220LR trans Atlantic? ;-)
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Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:10 pm

I believe either could win.

eurotrader85 wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
Given their network, I believe that the E295 is better suited for them. SK could establish another subsidiary to fly this model...and they don’t need the full range or capabilities of the BCS3.


I'm personally intrigued, where does the economics between the E295 & A220 differ, and thus why its better for their network?

I posted this in the A220 vs. E2-195 thread:

I found the images for the Leeham analysis:

At full load factor, the A220 has quite an advantage in economics:
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At very light loads, the E2 looks better, but only matches:
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I did some calculations. For the light load the A220-100 has far too much wing. Overwinged aircraft suffer the skin friction without the ability to climb up into less dense air to evade drag. I also do not understand comparing a bunch of different sized aircraft all with 100 passengers. The smaller the plane, the lower the costs for a fixed low payload.

This implies in low season the A223 and E295 have similar costs. In peak season the A223 has far more profit potential.

The charts also show why the -7 and A319NEO are not selling. Peak season profit potential per passenger the same as smaller aircraft. In low season, high losses.

I'd like to see this chart updated with multiple ranges. The flights picked are on the short length for A220 electrical subsystems (suffer climb fuel burn penalty for weight without the time for cruise fuel burn savings). I would also like to see it corrected from theoretical to with in service data (-7 excluded).

An added comment: For SAS, the A220 has better shortfield performance.

Either could win, it will depend on how aggressive the bids are. The A319NEO doesn't save much in fuel vs. the A319CEO. With the A221 now having good dispatch reliability (albeit with many engine changes), there is no market left for the A319NEO.

More passengers means lower yield, so larger aircraft with the same economics as smaller aircraft per passenger stop selling.

It depends on seats and planned utilization. Since we know 120-150, that is E295, A221, or A223, or A319. If the A319 wins, the best economics right now are all the used A319CEOs, but that is a poor choice for high utilization or the long run.

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Re: SAS in the market for a 120-150 seat aircraft

Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:11 pm

Someone83 wrote:
a midsize jet with 120-150

A220 is the only one satisfying this.

While E2-195 can sit 146 pax maximum, the seats will be really tight with that configuration. If SAS wants the flexibility to block seats out for Euro-business class, then the number of seats would drop to about 130 on the largest Embraer.

The combination of A220-100 and A220-300 will give SAS maximum flexibility. SAS also probably sees that Air Baltic's management and pax are both loving the A220s. Should not be a difficult decision to make unless Embraer offers cut-throat prices.
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Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:30 pm

raylee67 wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
a midsize jet with 120-150

A220 is the only one satisfying this.

While E2-195 can sit 146 pax maximum, the seats will be really tight with that configuration. If SAS wants the flexibility to block seats out for Euro-business class, then the number of seats would drop to about 130 on the largest Embraer.


SAS doesn't block out seats in business class.
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:34 pm

VSMUT wrote:
raylee67 wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
a midsize jet with 120-150

A220 is the only one satisfying this.

While E2-195 can sit 146 pax maximum, the seats will be really tight with that configuration. If SAS wants the flexibility to block seats out for Euro-business class, then the number of seats would drop to about 130 on the largest Embraer.


SAS doesn't block out seats in business class.

Exactly. SAS don't even offer Business on intra-european. However they some times block seats in Plus in possible, but that's not really relevant
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Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:45 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
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If it's a smallish subfleet, wouldn't the A319NEO be worth considering? It's current A319 CEO's have a 150 seat capacity so it fits within the remit.

While heavier than the A220, this could be offset by lower training and maintenance costs due to fleet commonality.


It would if they value fleet simplification which is a core value and advantage of LCCs. Another type for just 20 narrowbodies? Crazy.


Well here is the thing, A220-300 is the perfect size to replace A319 and B737-700. They have 30 of those 2 models. If they decided to go for A220, then they would need at least 30 aircrafts for 1-1 replacement. I mean for now they are planning to use A320neo to replace those aircraft. But those plane got 30 and 39 seat capacity upgrade between them. A Bit too big.

They also wet-leased many smaller aircraft type. Maybe they could use A220-100 for those replacement and expansion. Surely 20-30 new narrow-body wouldn't hurt. They could also thinking about expansion in the future, which mean that the number could grow.
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:32 pm

And the conquest by the A220 continues. I see SAS ordering the A220.

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Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:37 pm

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And the conquest by the A220 continues. I see SAS ordering the A220.

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Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:38 pm

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But those plane got 30 and 39 seat capacity upgrade between them. A Bit too big.


Not if you can fill them.

But lets face it, SAS once made a fleet of just 12 CRJ-900s work. They eventually managed to spin it off to Cimber, but that's the amount of planes needed to make it work. Seeing how they are looking to run these aircraft through a different company, we may even be looking at less. A dedicated fleet of just 4 A220s would not be a problem at all if they contract it to, say, Air Baltic. They managed to get a dousin or so ACMI operators wild over the prospects of just 4 or 5 ATRs.
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:41 pm

SAS has weak finances:
https://www.bing.com/amp/s/mobile.reute ... SKBN1Y90VT

After doing a little research, used A319CEOs become more likely.

It looks like they want a common fleet type (Airbus):

https://aviationweek.com/awincommercial ... raft-order

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SAS has weak finances:
https://www.bing.com/amp/s/mobile.reute ... SKBN1Y90VT

After doing a little research, used A319CEOs become more likely.

It looks like they want a common fleet type (Airbus):

https://aviationweek.com/awincommercial ... raft-order

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Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:49 pm

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I didn't see that coming, but I'd love to see A220 in SAS colours!

aerokiwi wrote:
Or just get secondhand A319s a la United. Not everything has to be shiny and new.


An A319ceo uses more fuel than an A320neo, so that doesn't make any sense.


Simplistic. Used A319s have a lower acquisition cost, offsetting at least some of the fuel cost benefits if an NEO. Seems to work for United.
 
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Given their network, I believe that the E295 is better suited for them. SK could establish another subsidiary to fly this model...and they don’t need the full range or capabilities of the BCS3.


Don't they? 737-700s are regularly flown from places like TRD, HAU, TOS, SVG, KRS to destinations such as LPA, FUE, AGP, and 737-600s were often used on these routes also. I'm not discounting the E2, but range will surely be an important consideration here.

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It cannot be wetlease under the current pilot agreement, as SAS more or less has maxed out their wetlease quota


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Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:54 pm

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Or just get secondhand A319s a la United. Not everything has to be shiny and new.

They don't need short term solutions they need long term solutions, therefore only new builds are possible


Eh? This isn't an argument. Why do they "need long term solutions"? Glib statements don't make the assertion true. A shorter term solution like used A319s could very well enable a better financial position that sustains them for the longer term. It's not like SAS is a soaring financial success.

The 319NEO is going to be a near orphan fleet, impacting long term residual values of the jets. In this case, go boring, go secondhand 319.
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:11 pm

As much as I'd love to see them ordering the A220... surely the E190/195-E2 seems the more logical choice? The A220 is more efficient but shares basically no commonality with the A320neos/A350s (neither does the E190 family obviously but I'll come to that...). Meanwhile, they could in the longer-term replace the CRJ900s with E175/E190-E2s, if they were to terminate the contract with CityJet, and that would clearly have commonality with the larger E190/E195s. They could operate them all from a regional subsidiary I'm guessing with lower labour costs.
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:27 pm

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aerokiwi wrote:
Or just get secondhand A319s a la United. Not everything has to be shiny and new.

They don't need short term solutions they need long term solutions, therefore only new builds are possible


Eh? This isn't an argument. Why do they "need long term solutions"? Glib statements don't make the assertion true. A shorter term solution like used A319s could very well enable a better financial position that sustains them for the longer term. It's not like SAS is a soaring financial success.

The 319NEO is going to be a near orphan fleet, impacting long term residual values of the jets. In this case, go boring, go secondhand 319.

Because that's what the report state.
They aren't going to replace 737s and A319s with second hand A319s when they want an aircraft in the 120-150 seater market with lower fuel burn than what they currently have. They need a replacement of the current A319/737-700 fleet that can/will fly well into the 2030's and can be delivered around 2024-ish and by then still be modern and fuel efficient.
If they only had to find some aircraft operating from now until 2024-ish, then second hand A319s would be ideal.
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Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:31 pm

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lightsaber wrote:
SAS has weak finances:
https://www.bing.com/amp/s/mobile.reute ... SKBN1Y90VT

After doing a little research, used A319CEOs become more likely.

It looks like they want a common fleet type (Airbus):

https://aviationweek.com/awincommercial ... raft-order

Lightsaber


Hidden behind a paywall. Is it your opinion or stated in the article?

The not hidden part notes "but would need to maintain the benefits of its shift toward single-fleet operations."

So based on that comment, my opinion is Airbus A319. My opinion is the A319NEO is barely more efficient than the A319CEO. Due to the incredible efficiency of A321NEO (everything I've read is they cost the same to opperate as A320CEOs in high utilization duty or 9+ hours per day).

So it is my reading of the tea leaves.

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Re: SAS in the market for a 120-150 seat aircraft

Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:39 pm

lazyme wrote:
SAS already have codeshare with Air Baltic, an A220 operator.


They also codeshare with Widerøe, which is the E195-E2 launch customer.

aerokiwi wrote:
SASViking wrote:
aerokiwi wrote:
Or just get secondhand A319s a la United. Not everything has to be shiny and new.

They don't need short term solutions they need long term solutions, therefore only new builds are possible


Eh? This isn't an argument. Why do they "need long term solutions"? Glib statements don't make the assertion true. A shorter term solution like used A319s could very well enable a better financial position that sustains them for the longer term. It's not like SAS is a soaring financial success.

The 319NEO is going to be a near orphan fleet, impacting long term residual values of the jets. In this case, go boring, go secondhand 319.


They already have A319s, and their A319s seat 150. It seems they are looking for something smaller, and likely not current-gen given that they are just finishing dumping current-gen 736s and 73Gs that fit right into the 120-150 range. It doesn't make much sense to dump those and then go current-gen used planes, especially given how focused they are on the fuel economy of their fleet as a public-facing talking point.

This seems likely to be a Canadairbus order to lose, especially SK is trying to fill multiple points in that 120-150 range. 100s would be around 125 seats using the seat pitches standard on SK, and the 300 would be around 145 seats.
 
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Re: SAS in the market for a 120-150 seat aircraft

Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:42 pm

SASViking wrote:
aerokiwi wrote:
SASViking wrote:
They don't need short term solutions they need long term solutions, therefore only new builds are possible


Eh? This isn't an argument. Why do they "need long term solutions"? Glib statements don't make the assertion true. A shorter term solution like used A319s could very well enable a better financial position that sustains them for the longer term. It's not like SAS is a soaring financial success.

The 319NEO is going to be a near orphan fleet, impacting long term residual values of the jets. In this case, go boring, go secondhand 319.

Because that's what the report state.
They aren't going to replace 737s and A319s with second hand A319s when they want an aircraft in the 120-150 seater market with lower fuel burn than what they currently have. They need a replacement of the current A319/737-700 fleet that can/will fly well into the 2030's and can be delivered around 2024-ish and by then still be modern and fuel efficient.
If they only had to find some aircraft operating from now until 2024-ish, then second hand A319s would be ideal.


Yes I've read the presentation and you make a few leaps.

All they say is they want to "rightsize" the fleet for specific routes and that a 120-150 seater would be appropriate for up to 20% of routes. Presumably this saves from using a double frequency of CRJ900s or a single 180 seater that flies empty, so isn't fuel efficient on a per pax basis because of the empty seats.

That's how they get the GHG reductions and fuel efficiencies. It also needs to be a proven tech, according to the presentation. And there's a lot of talk of "single fleet type benefits". The 319CEO fits all these criteria. Presumably newer secondhand examples are also more efficient and reduced emissions than a circa 1998 version.

Note I'm not saying that the CEO is a definite. But throw in their weak financial status and it seems like a pretty straightforward option. SAS has finally moved towards a simplified fleet and the 220 is only going to needlessly complicate it. I'd just misuse 320NEOs and stimulate demand with the extra capacity rather than add a new fleet type.
 
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Re: SAS in the market for a 120-150 seat aircraft

Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:47 pm

lightsaber wrote:
VSMUT wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
SAS has weak finances:
https://www.bing.com/amp/s/mobile.reute ... SKBN1Y90VT

After doing a little research, used A319CEOs become more likely.

It looks like they want a common fleet type (Airbus):

https://aviationweek.com/awincommercial ... raft-order

Lightsaber


Hidden behind a paywall. Is it your opinion or stated in the article?

The not hidden part notes "but would need to maintain the benefits of its shift toward single-fleet operations."

So based on that comment, my opinion is Airbus A319. My opinion is the A319NEO is barely more efficient than the A319CEO. Due to the incredible efficiency of A321NEO (everything I've read is they cost the same to opperate as A320CEOs in high utilization duty or 9+ hours per day).

So it is my reading of the tea leaves.

Lightsaber


If they wanted to add used A319s, an announcement like this would be unusual. They added used A320's in the past, without any fanfare at all. They even got some brand new 737-800s some years ago, ditto without any announcement like this.

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