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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:03 pm

Spacepope wrote:
A quick reminder to our international friends here that "peak" here refers to US domestic holiday free-for-all adventures that happens every December.

Wjcandee thanks for those updates, looks like some weather is coming in the central US this weekend that'll really throw a wrench into things. Now waiting for the first contracted plane to break (and you just know something will). Was watching N903AR the other day, looks like it shoehorned in a quick lobster transport flight to China in its free time this week too.

Here at COS we usually get onece-daily FX service running MEM-COS-GJT-COS-MEM. This route has had the GJT tag-on eliminated (which is now getting served as as MEM-GJT-FAT and return. COS has also seen a MEM-COS-PHX flight added as well. All these flights are via 752s.


The route back to FAT usually goes through DEN, it's also sometimes nonstop MEM-FAT. The route *to* MEM does generally pass through GJT, though.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:04 pm

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Western Global 1195 had an air turn back to PHL last evening: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/WGN ... /KPHL/KPHL


Not unexpected when they're pushing a fleet to the max that isn't normally worked this hard. I assume that UPS builds in an expectation that some of their lesser providers aren't going to operate with extraordinary dispatch reliability.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:16 pm

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What happens to carriers like Skylease Cargo. Do their tarmac queens from MIA get into the party?


SkyLease Cargo has three flying for UPS now - the other aircraft in their fleet have no activity per last 8 months of data on FlightAware.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:18 pm

ottergoose wrote:
washingtonflyer wrote:
What happens to carriers like Skylease Cargo. Do their tarmac queens from MIA get into the party?


SkyLease Cargo has three flying for UPS now - the other aircraft in their fleet have no activity per last 8 months of data on FlightAware.


That's all they have that's active is the 2 747s and the one MD11.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:22 pm

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Western Global 1195 had an air turn back to PHL last evening: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/WGN ... /KPHL/KPHL


That's N415JN. Hasn't flown since: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N415JN
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:35 am

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Interesting commentary here; I've been keeping tabs on the aircraft that appear to be flying peak for my blog (I won't link to it, as I've got commercial self-interest in it, but if you want to Google "Air Cargo Peak Season 2019" you can find it if you want to).

A few other aircraft worth mentioning, that I've noted by reviewing flights my software has tagged as unusual.

21 Air has a B763 operating for CargoJet: N999YV

Atlas is operating five 744s for FedEx: N405KZ, N416MC, N471MC, N472MC, N499MC

Atlas has a pair of 744s operating for UPS: N429MC, N473MC

Cathay Pacific Cargo did a hop through SDF with a B748.

IFL has a single 727-200 flying SDF-RIV-SDF, N216WE.

Kalitta has five B744s flying for USPS: N708CK, N710CK, N712CK, N740CK, N741CK

SkyLease Cargo's N903AR has been on some odd routes recently, not sure who they're for or if it's peak related.

Would expect we might see National, Asia Pacific, and who knows else coming online in the next week or so as the next bump in lease equipment comes into play.


I can't help but have a lot of questions about the 727; when was it built? who has it operated for?; how do they maintain the aircraft?; how do they hire and train the pilots?; what does the airplane do the other 11 months of the year?; was it built as a freighter or was it converted?; does it operate reliably?

Any info appreciated.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:50 am

mcg wrote:
ottergoose wrote:
Interesting commentary here; I've been keeping tabs on the aircraft that appear to be flying peak for my blog (I won't link to it, as I've got commercial self-interest in it, but if you want to Google "Air Cargo Peak Season 2019" you can find it if you want to).

A few other aircraft worth mentioning, that I've noted by reviewing flights my software has tagged as unusual.

21 Air has a B763 operating for CargoJet: N999YV

Atlas is operating five 744s for FedEx: N405KZ, N416MC, N471MC, N472MC, N499MC

Atlas has a pair of 744s operating for UPS: N429MC, N473MC

Cathay Pacific Cargo did a hop through SDF with a B748.

IFL has a single 727-200 flying SDF-RIV-SDF, N216WE.

Kalitta has five B744s flying for USPS: N708CK, N710CK, N712CK, N740CK, N741CK

SkyLease Cargo's N903AR has been on some odd routes recently, not sure who they're for or if it's peak related.

Would expect we might see National, Asia Pacific, and who knows else coming online in the next week or so as the next bump in lease equipment comes into play.


I can't help but have a lot of questions about the 727; when was it built? who has it operated for?; how do they maintain the aircraft?; how do they hire and train the pilots?; what does the airplane do the other 11 months of the year?; was it built as a freighter or was it converted?; does it operate reliably?

Any info appreciated.


Sure. It's N216WE. Neither Airfleets.net nor planespotters.net deal with 727s (which seems odd, but they don't). But here's the reg info: https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N216WE

IFL uses it on various missions throughout the year. IFL flies a lot of auto parts, and with its CRJs flies a contract route from a major electronics supplier in the upper midwest nightly for direct injection at the UPS hub at SDF and the FedEx hub at MEM. So the 727 is flying regular and ad hoc flights, largely for auto parts throughout the year. Similar to what Kalitta Charters II does with its 727s.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:37 am

N575G (operating CVG-MDT) was involved in a GSE-related incident last week at CVG. N573G is taking its place while it is being repaired.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:26 am

In the past couple of days, CAM has formally reregistered N327CM as N394UP. That aircraft is a BCF that had been operated by ANA Cargo for several years. It was at ILN, presumably being put through conformity, from 8/14/19-10/2/19. Then numbered N327CM, it flew to CWF from 10/2/19-10/17/19 for paint into the UPS livery (and it looks fabulous). It has been at ILN since. At some point, it likely received the glass cockpit that AMES is installing at ILN on all UPS 767s.

The renumbering suggests that it will be delivered to UPS shortly. CAM is leasing several 767-300 conversions to UPS. This will be the third. The first two, 391UP and 392UP, were converted by CAM from passenger airliners at TLV. They were flown briefly in the US and then sent to Europe, where they are operating out of the UPS CGN hub. Will be interesting to see whether this aircraft, if delivered soon enough, participates in Peak here or just heads over to Europe.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:07 am

wjcandee wrote:
In the past couple of days, CAM has formally reregistered N327CM as N394UP. That aircraft is a BCF that had been operated by ANA Cargo for several years. It was at ILN, presumably being put through conformity, from 8/14/19-10/2/19. Then numbered N327CM, it flew to CWF from 10/2/19-10/17/19 for paint into the UPS livery (and it looks fabulous). It has been at ILN since. At some point, it likely received the glass cockpit that AMES is installing at ILN on all UPS 767s.

The renumbering suggests that it will be delivered to UPS shortly. CAM is leasing several 767-300 conversions to UPS. This will be the third. The first two, 391UP and 392UP, were converted by CAM from passenger airliners at TLV. They were flown briefly in the US and then sent to Europe, where they are operating out of the UPS CGN hub. Will be interesting to see whether this aircraft, if delivered soon enough, participates in Peak here or just heads over to Europe.

Does 394UP have full-sized lower bulk cargo doors? If so, then it will probably assume a normal UPS rotation but if not then will be stationed in CGN.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:19 am

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Does 394UP have full-sized lower bulk cargo doors? If so, then it will probably assume a normal UPS rotation but if not then will be stationed in CGN.


So that's the distinction! Interesting.

So the GMF (factory) freighter has a forward AND aft lower cargo door that's 67"x134".

The BCF has the 67x134 forward cargo door, but an aft cargo door that's 69" x 70". So similar height but significantly-narrower.

So I guess 394 is going to be sent to Europe. However, given that most 767 freighters that UPS is hiring from other carriers for Peak are converted freighters with the narrower aft cargo door, might 394UP still be useful in the US during Peak?
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:13 pm

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Out of curiosity how many daily departures does FX have on average from MEM/IND?

It really differs from day to day, normally off-peak the busiest flight days are Tues-Wed, and then it tails off. Flight schedules also change monthly. For now, the next 24 hours, this is the domestic hub breakdown in flight departures.

MEM: 294 departures
IND: 104
OAK: 38
EWR: 37
AFW: 26
GSO: 12

LAX is not a hub, but also is up to 26 departures over the next 24 hours.

Looks we have a lot of UPS and Amazon subject matter experts, I'm happy to chime in as a representative for FX questions.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:28 pm

wjcandee wrote:
mcg wrote:
ottergoose wrote:
Interesting commentary here; I've been keeping tabs on the aircraft that appear to be flying peak for my blog (I won't link to it, as I've got commercial self-interest in it, but if you want to Google "Air Cargo Peak Season 2019" you can find it if you want to).

A few other aircraft worth mentioning, that I've noted by reviewing flights my software has tagged as unusual.

21 Air has a B763 operating for CargoJet: N999YV

Atlas is operating five 744s for FedEx: N405KZ, N416MC, N471MC, N472MC, N499MC

Atlas has a pair of 744s operating for UPS: N429MC, N473MC

Cathay Pacific Cargo did a hop through SDF with a B748.

IFL has a single 727-200 flying SDF-RIV-SDF, N216WE.

Kalitta has five B744s flying for USPS: N708CK, N710CK, N712CK, N740CK, N741CK

SkyLease Cargo's N903AR has been on some odd routes recently, not sure who they're for or if it's peak related.

Would expect we might see National, Asia Pacific, and who knows else coming online in the next week or so as the next bump in lease equipment comes into play.


I can't help but have a lot of questions about the 727; when was it built? who has it operated for?; how do they maintain the aircraft?; how do they hire and train the pilots?; what does the airplane do the other 11 months of the year?; was it built as a freighter or was it converted?; does it operate reliably?

Any info appreciated.


Sure. It's N216WE. Neither Airfleets.net nor planespotters.net deal with 727s (which seems odd, but they don't). But here's the reg info: https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N216WE

IFL uses it on various missions throughout the year. IFL flies a lot of auto parts, and with its CRJs flies a contract route from a major electronics supplier in the upper midwest nightly for direct injection at the UPS hub at SDF and the FedEx hub at MEM. So the 727 is flying regular and ad hoc flights, largely for auto parts throughout the year. Similar to what Kalitta Charters II does with its 727s.


Thanks for the info. Does using this highly non-standard equipment present any operational challenges to UPS? I wonder if things like loading the aircraft, flight planning, even parking on the ramp, all the nut and bolts of the operation might be difficult simply because UPS is dealing with an equipment type they rarely see. I suspect the answer is UPS just sort of deals with it, but I am curious.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:32 pm

I figure that they still have the tribal knowledge...
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:49 pm

wjcandee wrote:
UPS757Pilot wrote:
Western Global 1195 had an air turn back to PHL last evening: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/WGN ... /KPHL/KPHL


Not unexpected when they're pushing a fleet to the max that isn't normally worked this hard. I assume that UPS builds in an expectation that some of their lesser providers aren't going to operate with extraordinary dispatch reliability.

They must do, some of these subcontractors have mesa-like reliability, but their cheap, so and at this point, they need all the capacity they could get.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:59 pm

It looks like N496MC is back to doing military flying after a few days at UPS.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:09 am

Anyone happen to know why VP-BJS and VQ-BWY paid a visit to CVG during Amazon's day sort yesterday?
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:56 am

Coincidence? Something for DHL?
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:33 am

wjcandee wrote:
Coincidence? Something for DHL?

Possibly something for DHL, but normally AMZ has 1st/2nd shift to themselves. It's been a couple years since I have seen a Silk Way jet here. Only thing I can think of is perhaps something military related.
BWY headed out for ORD at 22:00 this past evening.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:08 pm

AMollenhauer9 wrote:
It looks like N496MC is back to doing military flying after a few days at UPS.


Looks like N492MC took its place, so total number of Atlas 744s flying for UPS (8, by my count) remains steady.

I noticed N409MC (Atlas 744F) started doing MEM-ANC-MEM circuits on Wednesday; wonder if it's flying for USPS, since it's not using a FedEx flight number?

Another minor item of peak trivia: Kalitta B763 N763CK for DHL had a maintenance issue that kept it on the ground at MSP last night; ABX B762 N321AA came in to relieve it.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:36 pm

Good to see 744s and MD-11s at UPS's beleaguered CAE facility...even if many of the holiday flights are merely connecting to other more established UPS hubs.

What is the future of UPS(5X) at CAE? The same question could be asked of the future of FedEx at GSO. Seems a lot of effort was put into both facilities yet neither have exactly been busting at the seems. IIRC, CAE and GSO were intended to connect mainly North/South points along the eastern US.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:28 pm

wjcandee wrote:
mcg wrote:
ottergoose wrote:
Interesting commentary here; I've been keeping tabs on the aircraft that appear to be flying peak for my blog (I won't link to it, as I've got commercial self-interest in it, but if you want to Google "Air Cargo Peak Season 2019" you can find it if you want to).

A few other aircraft worth mentioning, that I've noted by reviewing flights my software has tagged as unusual.

21 Air has a B763 operating for CargoJet: N999YV

Atlas is operating five 744s for FedEx: N405KZ, N416MC, N471MC, N472MC, N499MC

Atlas has a pair of 744s operating for UPS: N429MC, N473MC

Cathay Pacific Cargo did a hop through SDF with a B748.

IFL has a single 727-200 flying SDF-RIV-SDF, N216WE.

Kalitta has five B744s flying for USPS: N708CK, N710CK, N712CK, N740CK, N741CK

SkyLease Cargo's N903AR has been on some odd routes recently, not sure who they're for or if it's peak related.

Would expect we might see National, Asia Pacific, and who knows else coming online in the next week or so as the next bump in lease equipment comes into play.


I can't help but have a lot of questions about the 727; when was it built? who has it operated for?; how do they maintain the aircraft?; how do they hire and train the pilots?; what does the airplane do the other 11 months of the year?; was it built as a freighter or was it converted?; does it operate reliably?

Any info appreciated.


Sure. It's N216WE. Neither Airfleets.net nor planespotters.net deal with 727s (which seems odd, but they don't). But here's the reg info: https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N216WE

IFL uses it on various missions throughout the year. IFL flies a lot of auto parts, and with its CRJs flies a contract route from a major electronics supplier in the upper midwest nightly for direct injection at the UPS hub at SDF and the FedEx hub at MEM. So the 727 is flying regular and ad hoc flights, largely for auto parts throughout the year. Similar to what Kalitta Charters II does with its 727s.


216WE is very new as 727s go. Built in 1984 for FedEx as a -2S2F, and as line number 1831, it is the second to last 727 ever built. It has never flown passengers. This likely means it is also relatively low cycle, as it has always been in the night freight business rather than doing bounces all day through passenger hubs. The aircraft is staffed like any other, with pilots and mechanics hired and trained to work on it. Remember, the IFL group has even older aircraft, as they operate Convair 580s and 5800s. Some of these type of carriers have some older folks around with experience on these airplanes when they were newer, but there are also quite a few young people that get good experience working on complex, older aircraft at the beginning of their careers.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:59 am

Some more fun foreigners showed up at CVG today:
N919CA (to ORD at 16:15)
LX-OCV (to LUX at 18:35)
9V-SFP (to DFW at 23:20)
...and a new addition for ATI, N360CM, still in its patched Air Incheon livery (currently a spare).
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:46 am

Of course it's not only dedicated freight haulers that have a busy time cargo wise at this time off year, the holds of the pax jets are also full to the brim of merry merchandise
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:59 am

Harvestman wrote:
Some more fun foreigners showed up at CVG today:
N919CA (to ORD at 16:15)
LX-OCV (to LUX at 18:35)
9V-SFP (to DFW at 23:20)
...and a new addition for ATI, N360CM, still in its patched Air Incheon livery (currently a spare).


N919CA flew to SDF instead of going to ORD.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:31 pm

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N919CA flew to SDF instead of going to ORD.


Will be interesting to see if N919CA sticks around the states and does domestic work for UPS this year or not; National did some flying for UPS last year.

Had heard rumors there would be more aircraft starting for UPS today; 21Air's N881YV (B762) went to MHR, and Atlas's N406KZ went to ONT - both look like promising indicators of that.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:11 pm

dcs921 wrote:
Harvestman wrote:
Some more fun foreigners showed up at CVG today:
N919CA (to ORD at 16:15)
LX-OCV (to LUX at 18:35)
9V-SFP (to DFW at 23:20)
...and a new addition for ATI, N360CM, still in its patched Air Incheon livery (currently a spare).


N919CA flew to SDF instead of going to ORD.


NCR2496 should fly SDF-PHL this afternoon, and then the airplane will run PHL-SDF roundtrips until next Tuesday.
Cargolux has SDF-CGN roundtrips scheduled through next Tuesday.
21 Air starts from MHR tonight. Atlas adds two more airplanes for UPS today.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:24 pm

TW870 wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
mcg wrote:

I can't help but have a lot of questions about the 727; when was it built? who has it operated for?; how do they maintain the aircraft?; how do they hire and train the pilots?; what does the airplane do the other 11 months of the year?; was it built as a freighter or was it converted?; does it operate reliably?

Any info appreciated.


Sure. It's N216WE. Neither Airfleets.net nor planespotters.net deal with 727s (which seems odd, but they don't). But here's the reg info: https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N216WE

IFL uses it on various missions throughout the year. IFL flies a lot of auto parts, and with its CRJs flies a contract route from a major electronics supplier in the upper midwest nightly for direct injection at the UPS hub at SDF and the FedEx hub at MEM. So the 727 is flying regular and ad hoc flights, largely for auto parts throughout the year. Similar to what Kalitta Charters II does with its 727s.


216WE is very new as 727s go. Built in 1984 for FedEx as a -2S2F, and as line number 1831, it is the second to last 727 ever built. It has never flown passengers. This likely means it is also relatively low cycle, as it has always been in the night freight business rather than doing bounces all day through passenger hubs. The aircraft is staffed like any other, with pilots and mechanics hired and trained to work on it. Remember, the IFL group has even older aircraft, as they operate Convair 580s and 5800s. Some of these type of carriers have some older folks around with experience on these airplanes when they were newer, but there are also quite a few young people that get good experience working on complex, older aircraft at the beginning of their careers.


Thanks for the info!
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:12 am

Just FWIW, and not to spike the football, I caused a bit of a ruckus on this and the Amazon thread when I mentioned that FedEx Ground seemed to be melting down in certain places, with trailers of goods shipped by Walmart from Florida, for example, sitting full and idle and not getting injected into the FedEx Ground system for days. I was mocked for unfairly generalizing from insufficient data, how come nobody else was reporting this, blah-blah. I pointed to past similar problems, mentioning my own experience and other metrics that I did have access to. Then most of the discussion got deleted by mods.

So then there's this from the WSJ just today: Amazon has blocked 3rd party sellers from using FedEx Ground for now, because their performance has been inadequate so far during Peak. The ban will continue until FedEx Ground's network is operating properly again. (Although Amazon no longer uses FedEx Ground, many 3rd party Prime sellers do, and that's what's being prohibited for now.) Such sellers may use FedEx Express, but not Ground. https://www.wsj.com/articles/amazon-blo ... _lead_pos3

The "airline" connection to this discussion is that this may add more Peak volume to FedEx Express.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:42 am

HPRamper wrote:
N292UX wrote:
Out of curiosity how many daily departures does FX have on average from MEM/IND?

It really differs from day to day, normally off-peak the busiest flight days are Tues-Wed, and then it tails off. Flight schedules also change monthly. For now, the next 24 hours, this is the domestic hub breakdown in flight departures.

MEM: 294 departures
IND: 104
OAK: 38
EWR: 37
AFW: 26
GSO: 12

LAX is not a hub, but also is up to 26 departures over the next 24 hours.

Looks we have a lot of UPS and Amazon subject matter experts, I'm happy to chime in as a representative for FX questions.

What about ANC?
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Tue Dec 17, 2019 5:12 am

Harvestman wrote:
Some more fun foreigners showed up at CVG today:
N919CA (to ORD at 16:15)
LX-OCV (to LUX at 18:35)
9V-SFP (to DFW at 23:20)
...and a new addition for ATI, N360CM, still in its patched Air Incheon livery (currently a spare).



Would you care to elaborate on these ops to save us busy folk some time? Perhaps airline names and equipment type might help... hint hint
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Tue Dec 17, 2019 7:34 am

Right, because you busy folks couldn't have checked in less time than it took to write that...

919CA is National Cargo Airlines. It's one of their 2 747-400s, which was mentioned earlier.
LX-OCV is Cargolux. 747.
9V-SFP is Singapore Cargo. 747.

National's not really a foreigner, but it usually does overseas flights.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:15 pm

32andBelow wrote:
HPRamper wrote:
N292UX wrote:
Out of curiosity how many daily departures does FX have on average from MEM/IND?

It really differs from day to day, normally off-peak the busiest flight days are Tues-Wed, and then it tails off. Flight schedules also change monthly. For now, the next 24 hours, this is the domestic hub breakdown in flight departures.

MEM: 294 departures
IND: 104
OAK: 38
EWR: 37
AFW: 26
GSO: 12

LAX is not a hub, but also is up to 26 departures over the next 24 hours.

Looks we have a lot of UPS and Amazon subject matter experts, I'm happy to chime in as a representative for FX questions.

What about ANC?


Only 8 departures planned today for ANC. ANC has not been a hub for FX for many years now. Killed off by the 777's overflight capability.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Tue Dec 17, 2019 3:35 pm

wjcandee wrote:
National's not really a foreigner, but it usually does overseas flights.

Only foreign to the CVG cargo areas. I have heard that they used to stop by more frequently.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Tue Dec 17, 2019 5:07 pm

HPRamper wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
HPRamper wrote:
It really differs from day to day, normally off-peak the busiest flight days are Tues-Wed, and then it tails off. Flight schedules also change monthly. For now, the next 24 hours, this is the domestic hub breakdown in flight departures.

MEM: 294 departures
IND: 104
OAK: 38
EWR: 37
AFW: 26
GSO: 12

LAX is not a hub, but also is up to 26 departures over the next 24 hours.

Looks we have a lot of UPS and Amazon subject matter experts, I'm happy to chime in as a representative for FX questions.

What about ANC?


Only 8 departures planned today for ANC. ANC has not been a hub for FX for many years now. Killed off by the 777's overflight capability.

Huh. I live here and work air traffic and a lot more than 8 FX flights take off from here daily. They have a massive facility here.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Tue Dec 17, 2019 5:22 pm

32andBelow wrote:
HPRamper wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
What about ANC?


Only 8 departures planned today for ANC. ANC has not been a hub for FX for many years now. Killed off by the 777's overflight capability.

Huh. I live here and work air traffic and a lot more than 8 FX flights take off from here daily. They have a massive facility here.

It's a huge facility. Just not much sorting goes on there anymore. More of a transload and tech stop station. But total flights planned for the next 24 hours is only 8 departures and 10 arrivals.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Tue Dec 17, 2019 7:08 pm

HPRamper wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
HPRamper wrote:

Only 8 departures planned today for ANC. ANC has not been a hub for FX for many years now. Killed off by the 777's overflight capability.

Huh. I live here and work air traffic and a lot more than 8 FX flights take off from here daily. They have a massive facility here.

It's a huge facility. Just not much sorting goes on there anymore. More of a transload and tech stop station. But total flights planned for the next 24 hours is only 8 departures and 10 arrivals.

That’s crazy. It seems like way more than that.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:06 am

HPRamper wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
HPRamper wrote:
It really differs from day to day, normally off-peak the busiest flight days are Tues-Wed, and then it tails off. Flight schedules also change monthly. For now, the next 24 hours, this is the domestic hub breakdown in flight departures.

MEM: 294 departures
IND: 104
OAK: 38
EWR: 37
AFW: 26
GSO: 12

LAX is not a hub, but also is up to 26 departures over the next 24 hours.

Looks we have a lot of UPS and Amazon subject matter experts, I'm happy to chime in as a representative for FX questions.

What about ANC?


Only 8 departures planned today for ANC. ANC has not been a hub for FX for many years now. Killed off by the 777's overflight capability.


Doesn’t seem like FedEx has totally given up on Anchorage.

https://www.ktva.com/story/40908339/fedex-is-the-latest-company-that-wants-to-build-at-ted-stevens-international-aiport

https://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/news/2019/08/15/fedex-negotiates-deal-to-triple-its-presence-at.html
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:19 am

Silly question: where do all of the ULD’s come from for the extra capacity during peak? Does FX / 5Y own that many extra/spares during the rest of the year? Rentals?

Similar question for ramp equipment. Surely additional equipment is needed for handle peak. Where do these come from? Or are the just under utilized most of the year?
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:43 am

Okcflyer wrote:
Silly question: where do all of the ULD’s come from for the extra capacity during peak? Does FX / 5Y own that many extra/spares during the rest of the year? Rentals?

Similar question for ramp equipment. Surely additional equipment is needed for handle peak. Where do these come from? Or are the just under utilized most of the year?

ULDs are underutilized outside of peak. At my station, at least 40 AMJ containers sit unused all year long.

Ground equipment however is another story. There are no extras during peak. They just get more work, longer hours out of the same equipment. It's more of a people issue than an equipment issue.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:56 pm

Okcflyer wrote:
Silly question: where do all of the ULD’s come from for the extra capacity during peak? Does FX / 5Y own that many extra/spares during the rest of the year? Rentals?

Similar question for ramp equipment. Surely additional equipment is needed for handle peak. Where do these come from? Or are the just under utilized most of the year?


For 5X. If you pull up SDF on Google maps, look at the Southwest corner of the airport. You can see the ULD storage yard.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:43 am

Since my original post a couple of weeks ago, 5X made schedule adjustments for both the ONT & SBD operations. SBD had/will have 10 operations (Tue-Fri), 8 for Saturday, 7 for Sunday. For ONT, the schedule breakdown: 51 - Tu, 54 - We, 56 - Th, 58 - Fr, 54 - Sa, 41 - Su.

Also of note - 5X is operating their own metal between SDF-RIV (March ARB)-SDF with two r/ts operating each day this week. It appears the RIV operation concludes on 23Dec.

Okcflyer wrote:
Silly question: where do all of the ULD’s come from for the extra capacity during peak? Does FX / 5Y own that many extra/spares during the rest of the year? Rentals?

Similar question for ramp equipment. Surely additional equipment is needed for handle peak. Where do these come from? Or are the just under utilized most of the year?


W/R/T equipment (GSE), depending on location and equipment need, it may be possible to essentially rent ground equipment from another air carrier or ground handling company. For example, at LAX there is a ground service equipment operation that specializes in short-term rentals of tugs, tractors, loaders, etc. At SBD, the fixed-based operator (FBO) retains a small fleet of heavier GSE on an as-needed basis that can be used on a per-turn basis by other airport tenants.
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:22 am

Late add: Noticed that FedEx operated a MEM-VCV (SoCal Logistics Airport) segment earlier today (18Dec). However, no indication of a departure/return to MEM. Flightaware indicates flight as FX9035, and shows operated by DC10/MD10. Retirement/fleet withdrawal perhaps?
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:15 am

aaway wrote:
Late add: Noticed that FedEx operated a MEM-VCV (SoCal Logistics Airport) segment earlier today (18Dec). However, no indication of a departure/return to MEM. Flightaware indicates flight as FX9035, and shows operated by DC10/MD10. Retirement/fleet withdrawal perhaps?

I'm reading a note on that as "Test flight post C-check." Tail N559FE. Wouldn't be surprised if it never left VCV though. Time will tell.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:39 pm

HPRamper wrote:
aaway wrote:
Late add: Noticed that FedEx operated a MEM-VCV (SoCal Logistics Airport) segment earlier today (18Dec). However, no indication of a departure/return to MEM. Flightaware indicates flight as FX9035, and shows operated by DC10/MD10. Retirement/fleet withdrawal perhaps?

I'm reading a note on that as "Test flight post C-check." Tail N559FE. Wouldn't be surprised if it never left VCV though. Time will tell.


Sadly agree, but unless the lessor wanted it i doubt they'd just retire it immediately after a check, though it is a MD-10-10, which are going out. Possibly paint there too at VCV. Then again with FX's atrocious numbers reported this week, who knows.103,000 hours, 36,000 cycles as of Feb.
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:06 pm

Okcflyer wrote:
Silly question: where do all of the ULD’s come from for the extra capacity during peak? Does FX / 5Y own that many extra/spares during the rest of the year? Rentals?

Similar question for ramp equipment. Surely additional equipment is needed for handle peak. Where do these come from? Or are the just under utilized most of the year?


Unilode and ACL Airshop are two of the largest ULD rental entities. Amazon used ACL when they first started out and have mostly moved on to owning their own cans. When their ULD supply was a lot smaller than it currently is, DHL allowed AMZ to use their containers in limited quantities (but not vice versa). Now they are on their own and the two companies no longer share ULDs.

I remember seeing a few hundred cans stored out on the ramp at SDF last year. For DHL, there are hundreds of ULDs available during down times and considerably less than that during peak. We store them in little-used parking spaces at CVG, with work progressing on a roller deck for empty cans under one of our large tent buildings. There has to be someplace where the lesser-used/obsolete cans, such as AMAs and ABUs, are stored, but I am not sure if that might be at LEJ, HKG or elsewhere.

Over the past couple of years, I have seen cans from United, Iberia, EVA, TAM, British Airways, Continental, Lufthansa, LATAM, Air Hong Kong, and others in use at DHL. Typically, once they are emptied, they are set aside and returned whenever the need arises.

As for ramp equipment, DHL has been getting most of its new GSE from Herc Rentals. (Yes, you can rent a pushback unit!) The only extra equipment needed during peak is about seven Ford Transit vans for some of the day shift crews. Everything else is on a long-term lease or has been purchased outright.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:06 pm

tnair1974 wrote:
Good to see 744s and MD-11s at UPS's beleaguered CAE facility...even if many of the holiday flights are merely connecting to other more established UPS hubs.

What is the future of UPS(5X) at CAE? The same question could be asked of the future of FedEx at GSO. Seems a lot of effort was put into both facilities yet neither have exactly been busting at the seems. IIRC, CAE and GSO were intended to connect mainly North/South points along the eastern US.


GSO is interesting. You'd thing they'd bring all the local traffic into it like Myrtle Beach, Wilmington, New Bern, Roanoke and serve at least many of the southern Mountain Air Cargo spokes out of here, but who knows why FedEx doesn't so that.

GSO will probably stick around on some level. It is supposed to be offloading stuff from MEM sometime next year. And every time there is some big cost problem in MEM , they threaten to offload at GSO instead of MEM. As a tactic, they'll probably keep it around for the threat to keep TN/MEM in check.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Fri Dec 20, 2019 3:58 pm

So I was sending something from NY to Toronto by DHL last night. DHL uses Cargojet to run 2 aircraft a night CVG-YHM (Hamilton, ON, the largest express hub in Canada, located just outside of Toronto). My shipment was on the second plane, and I noticed that GTI had to come in and cover the flight bc the a/c went tech. The other "Cargojet" flight these days CVG-YHM is actually the Cargojet wet lease from 21 Air (N999YV), and at first I thought that that was the a/c that was tech (which would make sense), but in fact it was the organic Cargojet bird.
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:16 am

Something different. Amazon Air 5Y2182 (flown by Atlas) is bound for EWR from SDF with N1619A. Is UPS leasing Atlas/Amazon 767s now?
 
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Re: Freight Peak Season 2019 Discussion

Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:33 am

As recently as a few years ago, Kelowna Flightcraft of Canada was using their DC-10s to supplement UPS's holiday lift on the SDF-YHM route.

Now, it appears the venerable DC-10 is gone from holiday season freight flying...with the obvious exception of FedEx. Also gone are 741s/742s. Even if MD-11s and 744s will be around a while. UPS took some of the last 744s off the assembly line and is still accepting new 748s.

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