The hammer is soon to come down, on the last remaining group of F-28-1000's. The former Canadi>n Regional fleet has been stored in CYXE (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada) since 2002-2003.

After the takeover of Canadi>n Airlines, by Air Canada on December 23, 1999, fleet integration and rationalization began. This affected both the mainline fleet, and the Regional Fleet. The Regional fleet became Air Canada Regional, before marketing introduced the combined fleet as AC Jazz.

On the list of rationalization, was the ragtag fleet of Fokker F-28-1000's. Originating with two examples acquired by Saskatoon-based Norcan Air, these examples joined Time Air through takeover, in 1987.

The fleet continued to grow, and eventually totalled approximately 36. Canadi>n Regional became the name of the airline, with the merger of Time Air and Ontario Express in 1993.

Prior to the name changed to Canadi>n Regional (the ">" symbol replacing the English "A" and French "E"), Time Air celebrated its 25th anniversary, in 1991. As a way to recognize the achievement, Time Air selected an F-28-1000 as the commemorative model.
Already in a partially bare paint scheme with blue cheatline, the entire fuselage was stripped, and brought to full bare metal, full polish. A commemorative logo was applied, close to the L1 main door.


This particular aircraft, S/N 11106, was originally produced in 1976 for Garuda Indonesia, as PK-GVW (sister ship PK-GVB shown).
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In 1985, 11106 was acquired by Piedmont Airlines, to help with their rapid expansion, in part from airline deregulation in the USA. It was first registered as N273N, and changed to N453US prior to Piedmont being acquired by US Air. It should be noted that the manufacturers data plate did not change again, after the re-registration to N273N.


In 1991, 11106 became C-FTAV, and served with Time Air/Canadi>n Regional. As stated earlier, the aircraft was debuted with the polished aluminum fuselage, in celebration of the 25th anniversary.


Around 1993, C-FTAV received standard paint, with Canadi>n Regional titles


Shortly after the merger with Air Canada, C-FTAV was one of only a handful of Canadi>n Regional aircraft that received the hybrid merger livery


Fast forward to the end of 2019, and C-FTAV has been sitting silently in CYXE for 16 years. Expansion of deicing pads for the airport has finally sealed the fate of the former F-28 fleet in Canada.

With a lot of work, and very little time left, the Time Air Historical Society has secured C-FTAV. It is the intention of the Society to bring C-FTAV back to CYQL, the original headquarters of Time Air. C-FTAV did occasionally fly into the airport, as a mid-afternoon extension of the YEG-YYC shuttle.

This aircraft will be the only F-28-1000 in airline livery in ALL of the Americas. It will be only one of two worldwide, to be (eventually) displayed within a museum setting. Sadly, the Netherlands ("Holland") where it was manufactured, does not have an example.

Pulling this together requires a village. First, its acquiring, then...moving. Without pushing, more information can be found via THE major crowdfunding platform. Also at the largest social media platform, under Time Air Historical Society.

It's Time to save that lil' Fokker jet!

I recall many a flight on these noisy birds. Back before Westjet, when it used to cost $700 to take a 70 minute flight up north. Nice find, the pic at Edmonton City Centre. Political machinations closed what was a very convenient airport. People were convinced that by consolidating service at Edmonton International they would have more nonstop destinations. Instead they forced themselves to drive an hour out into farmland.

Other than the crazy DB levels, I found the aircraft to be fairly comfortable. Entirely overkill on the YQL to YYC run, it was used simply to show supremacy over Air BC's J-31 that came in around the same time.

Good, we should save an F.28, it's an important part of Canada's aviation history... in good and bad ways.

If not in Lethbridge, then maybe in one of the museums in Winnipeg or Sault Ste Marie (I mean it was kinda a bush plane... serving gravel strips in Northern Alberta, Saskatchewan and the NWT)

C-FTAV will be restored to the 25th Anniversary scheme. Originally, not a bad modification of the Piedmont/US Air livery.

Nice to see one of them getting fixed, I work at Yxe and I literally go by them like 10 times a day, can’t wait to see it restored

Here is the link to the fundraising for this F-28
https://www.facebook.com/pg/Time-Air-Hi ... e_internal
Hope they will succeed, love those lil' Fokkers!

The F-28 produced one of the most memorable, repeated, and paraphrased ATC conversations in history ...

One version of which was:

"United 329 heavy, your traffic is a Fokker, one o'clock , three miles, Eastbound."
United 239: "Approach ... wanted to say this...I've got the little Fokker in sight."

For anyone interested, there is also a stored F28 at Subang.

Hey everyone...we can't do this alone. Appreciate the support, if you can! Ironically, the only flight I had on an F-28, was from YQL to YYC... on C-FTAV. By the time I had that one and only (NOISY) flight, it had been repainted into standard Canadi>n Regional colours!

I have lots of memories from this specific aircraft type, from flying on it in the 70s with Garuda, working it as a Piedmont ramp agent in Charlotte, and seeing it transitioned into a polished representation of USAIr. Happy to see that it is in a preservation mode...

rikkus67 wrote:

C-FTAV will be restored to the 25th Anniversary scheme. Originally, not a bad modification of the Piedmont/US Air livery.

What is the plan for getting it to YQL? Remove the wings and truck it?

Dominion301 wrote:

rikkus67 wrote:

C-FTAV will be restored to the 25th Anniversary scheme. Originally, not a bad modification of the Piedmont/US Air livery.

What is the plan for getting it to YQL? Remove the wings and truck it?

I was going to ask the same question, but I assumed it is flyable? Someone get in touch with Mikey Mcbryan, at Buffalo Airlines. He is currently saving another little Fokker, and now a deHaviliand, in Season 2 of Planesavers, a great Youtube channel that Mikey has created and produced to document their efforts to save planes. You can find his site on Youtube, here: https://www.youtube.com/user/McMakk/featured In the first season they saved a DC-3 or at least the military version of one. The point is, while they are busy, Mikey may have some contacts that could help in this project.

Great thread. A lot of beautiful F-28‘s in this thread.


Spontaneously I thought this was a governmental aircraft, e.g. Thai or similar... great livery!


I love bare-metal aircraft! So thanks for posting.

bennett123 wrote:

For anyone interested, there is also a stored F28 at Subang.

Yes, this made me curious and I found this picture:



This picture is almost five years old. Not sure how she looks now... :-/

FYI, this statement you wrote ...........“n 1985, 11106 was acquired by Piedmont Airlines, to help with their rapid expansion, in part from airline deregulation in the USA. It was first registered as N273N, and changed to N453US prior to Piedmont being acquired by US Air. It should be noted that the manufacturers data plate did not change again, after the re-registration to N273N.”............ Is not correct..

The “data plate “ never changes on a plane. The registration changes but not the “data plate” . The “data plate” has information like Serial Number, type of plane, patent # , and a few other thing but nothing about registration..just like a VIN # on a car.. Registration # will constantly vary through a planes life, just like a license plate on a car.

Good post. Cheers

litz wrote:

The F-28 produced one of the most memorable, repeated, and paraphrased ATC conversations in history ...

One version of which was:

"United 329 heavy, your traffic is a Fokker, one o'clock , three miles, Eastbound."
United 239: "Approach ... wanted to say this...I've got the little Fokker in sight."

So was it United 329 or United 239?

Hey reltney, I beg to differ (but nicely)!

s/n 11106 C-FTAV data plate shows N273N
s/n 11991 C-GTEO data plate shows C-GTEO

The reason I know this? The Society has both plates in our possession.

N14AZ

The one I saw was ex Air Nuigini.

I will check my pictures at the weekend.

northstardc4m wrote:

Good, we should save an F.28, it's an important part of Canada's aviation history... in good and bad ways.

If not in Lethbridge, then maybe in one of the museums in Winnipeg or Sault Ste Marie (I mean it was kinda a bush plane... serving gravel strips in Northern Alberta, Saskatchewan and the NWT)

Nope. LOL!

CYQL - Lethbridge was headquarters for Time Air. It was also the site of the first landing of an aircraft onto the Canadian Prairies, that flew over the Rocky Mountain range, from Vancouver. It was the original Alberta Hub for TCA (Trans-Canada Air Lines), with the 1937 Hangar/Terminal still in use (and one of the only examples still standing). Lethbridge was also part of the BCATP (British Commonwealth Air Training Plan), and briefly had a Flying School at CYQL, before being deemed too windy. The base was converted to a bombing school. A couple of the original hangars also still stand.

There is a lot of important Canadian Aviation history in and around CYQL, almost forgotten. So, it is both "TAHS" and my goal to establish a museum that honours all that happened in Southern Alberta.

But first, we need to rescue that F-28-1000! So, again, take a look at our campaign...

What a shame they're going to all this trouble, but plan on restoring it wiht that ugly bare metal special livery it was in. Its not going to stand out in any way .. it just looks unfinished and tacky. They really should use one of the full airline liveries.

I grew up in Indonesia and lived in the city of Semarang. We frequently flew on the F28's between Semarang and Jakarta. I loved that plane. Loud as all get out but a fun ride. In to Semarang Garuda flew both the 1000 and 4000 variant. My favorite was the 4000 variant but any day on the Fokker was great. Prior to the F28 it was the F27 prop plane.

bennett123 wrote:

N14AZ

The one I saw was ex Air Nuigini.

I will check my pictures at the weekend.

Ah,okay, according to this website http://airnieuws.nl/fokkernieuws/Septem ... tlist.html it seems to be P2-ANR:

11207 4000 P2-ANR Air Niugini, Pty Ltd, seen parked at Kuala Lumpur/Subang 090909 in white c/s.

N14AZ wrote:

bennett123 wrote:

N14AZ

The one I saw was ex Air Nuigini.

I will check my pictures at the weekend.

Ah,okay, according to this website http://airnieuws.nl/fokkernieuws/Septem ... tlist.html it seems to be P2-ANR:

11207 4000 P2-ANR Air Niugini, Pty Ltd, seen parked at Kuala Lumpur/Subang 090909 in white c/s.

Just drove past SZB these two days but couldn't see it at all from the road. May I know where is it parked?

juliuswong wrote:

N14AZ wrote:

bennett123 wrote:

N14AZ

The one I saw was ex Air Nuigini.

I will check my pictures at the weekend.

Ah,okay, according to this website http://airnieuws.nl/fokkernieuws/Septem ... tlist.html it seems to be P2-ANR:

11207 4000 P2-ANR Air Niugini, Pty Ltd, seen parked at Kuala Lumpur/Subang 090909 in white c/s.

Just drove past SZB these two days but couldn't see it at all from the road. May I know where is it parked?

Benett123 will be able to answer that question. I was so curious that I could not wait until he will post his picture (will he?) and I found this picture. Seems as if she’s parked close to the fence.

Source: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... 7921548356).jpg

Edit: I think you can see the F28 on google earth/maps at the eastern edge of the airport, in front of a hangar called "Universiti Kuala Lumpur - Malaysian Institute of Aviation Technology"

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F27500 wrote:

What a shame they're going to all this trouble, but plan on restoring it wiht that ugly bare metal special livery it was in. Its not going to stand out in any way .. it just looks unfinished and tacky. They really should use one of the full airline liveries.

Tacky? That's a 25th Anniversary scheme. "Silver" and Unique. Every other F-28 in the fleet had the blue belly/white upper... Just like BA, Varig, United (shuttle) at the same time.

Long term, we have other aircraft that will have the Time Air (Canadi>n Partner) scheme. No need to duplicate.

rikkus67 wrote:

[twoid][/twoid]

F27500 wrote:

What a shame they're going to all this trouble, but plan on restoring it wiht that ugly bare metal special livery it was in. Its not going to stand out in any way .. it just looks unfinished and tacky. They really should use one of the full airline liveries.

Tacky? That's a 25th Anniversary scheme. "Silver" and Unique. Every other F-28 in the fleet had the blue belly/white upper... Just like BA, Varig, United (shuttle) at the same time.

Long term, we have other aircraft that will have the Time Air (Canadi>n Partner) scheme. No need to duplicate.

I understand it was a special livery .. but barely so. Its really just the tail with a logo on it; otherwise there really no livery there. Its just an unpainted, unfinished look .. its not attractive or representative of what it (or most F28s) looked like with a full livery while in service. Even the titles are barely visible against that ugly bare metal. This "livery" was a fail then and it is now. If it were actually painted silver (like NW did), it would be a much more finished and intentional look. This just looks like they ran out of paint .. or that it was still waiting for some.

This F28 is such a cute, groovy little plane .. it deserves a better tribute than this. That Norcanair livery would have been a much better choice. In my opinion, of course. I know others disagree.

F27500 wrote:

rikkus67 wrote:

[twoid][/twoid]

F27500 wrote:

What a shame they're going to all this trouble, but plan on restoring it wiht that ugly bare metal special livery it was in. Its not going to stand out in any way .. it just looks unfinished and tacky. They really should use one of the full airline liveries.

Tacky? That's a 25th Anniversary scheme. "Silver" and Unique. Every other F-28 in the fleet had the blue belly/white upper... Just like BA, Varig, United (shuttle) at the same time.

Long term, we have other aircraft that will have the Time Air (Canadi>n Partner) scheme. No need to duplicate.

I understand it was a special livery .. but barely so. Its really just the tail with a logo on it; otherwise there really no livery there. Its just an unpainted, unfinished look .. its not attractive or representative of what it (or most F28s) looked like with a full livery while in service. Even the titles are barely visible against that ugly bare metal. This "livery" was a fail then and it is now. If it were actually painted silver (like NW did), it would be a much more finished and intentional look. This just looks like they ran out of paint .. or that it was still waiting for some.

This F28 is such a cute, groovy little plane .. it deserves a better tribute than this. That Norcanair livery would have been a much better choice. In my opinion, of course. I know others disagree.

With C-FTAV, we will be honouring the Garuda, Piedmont/US Air (painted and bare metal), and Canadi>n Regional independent/AC Hybrid schemes which the frame wore by pictures or models. This frame did not serve with Norcan Air. C-FTAV will be brought back to its historically accurate first Time Air scheme that it wore on introduction.

Properly polished, with tail logo, and full 25th anniversary logo with balloons (which were later removed)... is again, unique. It stood out against all the other white with tail colours liveries, and as such... will be celebrated that way. For C-GTEO, which we only have just a small section of exterior fuselage (three windows wide with the emergency exit) will have Canadi>n Partner colours on it. We will also honour it by having photos or a model in the funky Norcan Air light blue which it did wear.

Every plane in our eventual collection will reflect it's first livery with the company. This will be a mix of independent colours, and Canadi>n Partner colours. All historically accurate.

If you think this scheme is "bad"... try looking up the Time Air / Pacific Western "Spirit" livery, on one of their Dash 7's.

rikkus67 wrote:

F27500 wrote:

rikkus67 wrote:

[twoid][/twoid]

Tacky? That's a 25th Anniversary scheme. "Silver" and Unique. Every other F-28 in the fleet had the blue belly/white upper... Just like BA, Varig, United (shuttle) at the same time.

Long term, we have other aircraft that will have the Time Air (Canadi>n Partner) scheme. No need to duplicate.

I understand it was a special livery .. but barely so. Its really just the tail with a logo on it; otherwise there really no livery there. Its just an unpainted, unfinished look .. its not attractive or representative of what it (or most F28s) looked like with a full livery while in service. Even the titles are barely visible against that ugly bare metal. This "livery" was a fail then and it is now. If it were actually painted silver (like NW did), it would be a much more finished and intentional look. This just looks like they ran out of paint .. or that it was still waiting for some.

This F28 is such a cute, groovy little plane .. it deserves a better tribute than this. That Norcanair livery would have been a much better choice. In my opinion, of course. I know others disagree.

With C-FTAV, we will be honouring the Garuda, Piedmont/US Air (painted and bare metal), and Canadi>n Regional independent/AC Hybrid schemes which the frame wore by pictures or models. This frame did not serve with Norcan Air. C-FTAV will be brought back to its historically accurate first Time Air scheme that it wore on introduction.

Properly polished, with tail logo, and full 25th anniversary logo with balloons (which were later removed)... is again, unique. It stood out against all the other white with tail colours liveries, and as such... will be celebrated that way. For C-GTEO, which we only have just a small section of exterior fuselage (three windows wide with the emergency exit) will have Canadi>n Partner colours on it. We will also honour it by having photos or a model in the funky Norcan Air light blue which it did wear.

Every plane in our eventual collection will reflect it's first livery with the company. This will be a mix of independent colours, and Canadi>n Partner colours. All historically accurate.

If you think this scheme is "bad"... try looking up the Time Air / Pacific Western "Spirit" livery, on one of their Dash 7's.

Understood. Please don't think I am demeaning your efforts .. i love what you're doing. Its just I'm not a fan of that particular look.

I do have a question for you about another F28-1000. Its c/n 11163 .. i actually worked on that one while it was at Pilgrim Airlines. It was a very rare bird since Pilgrim had only that one F28. (registered N163PM). It later went on to Delta Air in Belgium and then i believe to Time Air. Last i saw, it had been stored years ago in YYC .. I'm curious if this is still there or has been scrapped. Always wondered what happened to this nice plane since I have a little history on it!

F27500 wrote:

rikkus67 wrote:

F27500 wrote:

I understand it was a special livery .. but barely so. Its really just the tail with a logo on it; otherwise there really no livery there. Its just an unpainted, unfinished look .. its not attractive or representative of what it (or most F28s) looked like with a full livery while in service. Even the titles are barely visible against that ugly bare metal. This "livery" was a fail then and it is now. If it were actually painted silver (like NW did), it would be a much more finished and intentional look. This just looks like they ran out of paint .. or that it was still waiting for some.

This F28 is such a cute, groovy little plane .. it deserves a better tribute than this. That Norcanair livery would have been a much better choice. In my opinion, of course. I know others disagree.

With C-FTAV, we will be honouring the Garuda, Piedmont/US Air (painted and bare metal), and Canadi>n Regional independent/AC Hybrid schemes which the frame wore by pictures or models. This frame did not serve with Norcan Air. C-FTAV will be brought back to its historically accurate first Time Air scheme that it wore on introduction.

Properly polished, with tail logo, and full 25th anniversary logo with balloons (which were later removed)... is again, unique. It stood out against all the other white with tail colours liveries, and as such... will be celebrated that way. For C-GTEO, which we only have just a small section of exterior fuselage (three windows wide with the emergency exit) will have Canadi>n Partner colours on it. We will also honour it by having photos or a model in the funky Norcan Air light blue which it did wear.

Every plane in our eventual collection will reflect it's first livery with the company. This will be a mix of independent colours, and Canadi>n Partner colours. All historically accurate.

If you think this scheme is "bad"... try looking up the Time Air / Pacific Western "Spirit" livery, on one of their Dash 7's.

Understood. Please don't think I am demeaning your efforts .. i love what you're doing. Its just I'm not a fan of that particular look.

I do have a question for you about another F28-1000. Its c/n 11163 .. i actually worked on that one while it was at Pilgrim Airlines. It was a very rare bird since Pilgrim had only that one F28. (registered N163PM). It later went on to Delta Air in Belgium and then i believe to Time Air. Last i saw, it had been stored years ago in YYC .. I'm curious if this is still there or has been scrapped. Always wondered what happened to this nice plane since I have a little history on it!

If it ended up being stored at YYC, I have a feeling that was 5T/Canadian North’s sole F.28.

rikkus67 wrote:

Hey reltney, I beg to differ (but nicely)!

s/n 11106 C-FTAV data plate shows N273N
s/n 11991 C-GTEO data plate shows C-GTEO

The reason I know this? The Society has both plates in our possession.

Well that’s a new one on me. Every day I learn something different in aviation. I own 6 airplanes and none of the metal data plates have the N# stamped on them. Is that a Canada thing? I just can’t see unriveting a dataplate and restamping when the registration# changes, but my mind is open about it...

To be clear, are we talking the metal data plate or the paper registration?

Cheers and thanks for the info !!!

reltney wrote:

rikkus67 wrote:

Hey reltney, I beg to differ (but nicely)!

s/n 11106 C-FTAV data plate shows N273N
s/n 11991 C-GTEO data plate shows C-GTEO

The reason I know this? The Society has both plates in our possession.

Well that’s a new one on me. Every day I learn something different in aviation. I own 6 airplanes and none of the metal data plates have the N# stamped on them. Is that a Canada thing? I just can’t see unriveting a dataplate and restamping when the registration# changes, but my mind is open about it...

To be clear, are we talking the metal data plate or the paper registration?

Cheers and thanks for the info !!!

Metal data plate is from Fokker, mounted by the cockpit. If anything...it's a DUTCH standard.

Dominion301 wrote:

F27500 wrote:

rikkus67 wrote:

With C-FTAV, we will be honouring the Garuda, Piedmont/US Air (painted and bare metal), and Canadi>n Regional independent/AC Hybrid schemes which the frame wore by pictures or models. This frame did not serve with Norcan Air. C-FTAV will be brought back to its historically accurate first Time Air scheme that it wore on introduction.

Properly polished, with tail logo, and full 25th anniversary logo with balloons (which were later removed)... is again, unique. It stood out against all the other white with tail colours liveries, and as such... will be celebrated that way. For C-GTEO, which we only have just a small section of exterior fuselage (three windows wide with the emergency exit) will have Canadi>n Partner colours on it. We will also honour it by having photos or a model in the funky Norcan Air light blue which it did wear.

Every plane in our eventual collection will reflect it's first livery with the company. This will be a mix of independent colours, and Canadi>n Partner colours. All historically accurate.

If you think this scheme is "bad"... try looking up the Time Air / Pacific Western "Spirit" livery, on one of their Dash 7's.

Understood. Please don't think I am demeaning your efforts .. i love what you're doing. Its just I'm not a fan of that particular look.

I do have a question for you about another F28-1000. Its c/n 11163 .. i actually worked on that one while it was at Pilgrim Airlines. It was a very rare bird since Pilgrim had only that one F28. (registered N163PM). It later went on to Delta Air in Belgium and then i believe to Time Air. Last i saw, it had been stored years ago in YYC .. I'm curious if this is still there or has been scrapped. Always wondered what happened to this nice plane since I have a little history on it!

If it ended up being stored at YYC, I have a feeling that was 5T/Canadian North’s sole F.28.

The YYC stored F-28 is C-FTAY. Still there, with merky ownership. It would be on the radar, if TAV doesn't work out..... but, TAV is the goal (with the aviation communities help).

rikkus67 wrote:

Dominion301 wrote:

F27500 wrote:

Understood. Please don't think I am demeaning your efforts .. i love what you're doing. Its just I'm not a fan of that particular look.

I do have a question for you about another F28-1000. Its c/n 11163 .. i actually worked on that one while it was at Pilgrim Airlines. It was a very rare bird since Pilgrim had only that one F28. (registered N163PM). It later went on to Delta Air in Belgium and then i believe to Time Air. Last i saw, it had been stored years ago in YYC .. I'm curious if this is still there or has been scrapped. Always wondered what happened to this nice plane since I have a little history on it!

If it ended up being stored at YYC, I have a feeling that was 5T/Canadian North’s sole F.28.

The YYC stored F-28 is C-FTAY. Still there, with merky ownership. It would be on the radar, if TAV doesn't work out..... but, TAV is the goal (with the aviation communities help).

Ah yes TAY. Wasn’t it donated to the YYC Airport Authority for use as a fire trainer? Unlike all the F-28s at YXE, TAY is not in TC’s civil aircraft registry database.

TedB777 wrote:

Nice to see one of them getting fixed, I work at Yxe and I literally go by them like 10 times a day, can’t wait to see it restored

TedB777... Let everyone in YXE know we need their $upport, as well as the rest of the WORLD aviation community!! Since it cannot be displayed in YXE (for various reasons), at least one needs to be preserved with a link to Norcan Air...

We have less than two months to buy C-FTAV, and about the same amount of time after to raise even more funds to move it.

Rare, and the last of the type to get proper recognition. This was indeed one of the first true regional jets, smaller than its USA-built contemporaries at the time.

Again, the Netherlands ("Holland") where it was manufactured, does not have one on display. This will be only one of two F-28-1000's in the WORLD to be properly displayed in airline livery. Distance from YXE to YQL is thankfully under 700 kms, via ground transport.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/saving-cftav ... 00-sn11106

I'm very passionate about this project, and I don't want it to fail. But myself, and the Time Air Historical Society can't do it by ourselves! Spread the word and $upport!! PLEASE!!

I remember flying on these little Fokkers several times as a kid in the '90s when they were wearing Canadi>n Regional livery. It would be great to see one saved and on display. Please keep us updated, I'd love to come and see it some time.

rikkus67 wrote:

TedB777 wrote:

Nice to see one of them getting fixed, I work at Yxe and I literally go by them like 10 times a day, can’t wait to see it restored

TedB777... Let everyone in YXE know we need their $upport, as well as the rest of the WORLD aviation community!! Since it cannot be displayed in YXE (for various reasons), at least one needs to be preserved with a link to Norcan Air...

We have less than two months to buy C-FTAV, and about the same amount of time after to raise even more funds to move it.

Rare, and the last of the type to get proper recognition. This was indeed one of the first true regional jets, smaller than its USA-built contemporaries at the time.

Again, the Netherlands ("Holland") where it was manufactured, does not have one on display. This will be only one of two F-28-1000's in the WORLD to be properly displayed in airline livery. Distance from YXE to YQL is thankfully under 700 kms, via ground transport.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/saving-cftav ... 00-sn11106

I'm very passionate about this project, and I don't want it to fail. But myself, and the Time Air Historical Society can't do it by ourselves! Spread the word and $upport!! PLEASE!!

Are you able to share how much you still need to fundraiser? Are Canadian donors eligible for a tax receipt?

Dominion301 wrote:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/saving-cftav ... 00-sn11106

Are you able to share how much you still need to fundraiser? Are Canadian donors eligible for a tax receipt?

Hi Dominion, thanks for the interest. Current needed balance is $9300.

If this was two or three years later, we would have Charity status, and be able to issue tax receipts. The process to obtain Charity status takes between one and three years...IF you get it on the first attempt.

We are currently a registered Not for Profit in the Province of Alberta. This is the reason the crowdfunding is listed as private. We cannot currently issue tax receipts. It is frustrating to note that THAT could be the reason between saving the aircraft, or not.

We simply do NOT have the luxury of time to gain Charity status AND save the aircraft.

We have until March 31st to raise the money not just for the plane, but also need additional funding for the dismantling and transport. It's been a very arduous tax for us to even get the disposal company on board to allow for the sale...

If you can help, that's great, if not well, we understand.

Rik

N14AZ

Sorry for not responding sooner.

I visited with friends, (they were driving) and I needed to check the location.

It is with the Malaysian Institute of Aviation Technology, (Subang Campus).

The F28 can be seen from the lane running down the left hand side, seen from the road.

Some good news with the project. ALCO ENERGY from Edmonton, Alberta, has committed ground transport for both of our aircraft. This is a very significant development, and one that puts the porject much further ahead.

BUT...we are still far short of our goal. C-FTAV will be only one of two F-28-1000's (the initial production version), that will be on display WORLDWIDE. We have until January 31st to raise the money to purchase the plane. We $till need the aviation communite$ help! please support if you can.

https://www.gofundme.com/manage/saving- ... 00-sn11106

rikkus67 wrote:

Some good news with the project. ALCO ENERGY from Edmonton, Alberta, has committed ground transport for both of our aircraft. This is a very significant development, and one that puts the porject much further ahead.

BUT...we are still far short of our goal. C-FTAV will be only one of two F-28-1000's (the initial production version), that will be on display WORLDWIDE. We have until January 31st to raise the money to purchase the plane. We $till need the aviation communite$ help! please support if you can.

https://www.gofundme.com/manage/saving- ... 00-sn11106

That's very good news. I hope I can make a small donation to this in the new year...need to calculate XMAS costs first!

Is there at least a small chance that these could be reactivated to fill in for 737MAX's?

rikkus67 wrote:

Some good news with the project. ALCO ENERGY from Edmonton, Alberta, has committed ground transport for both of our aircraft. This is a very significant development, and one that puts the porject much further ahead.

BUT...we are still far short of our goal. C-FTAV will be only one of two F-28-1000's (the initial production version), that will be on display WORLDWIDE. We have until January 31st to raise the money to purchase the plane. We $till need the aviation communite$ help! please support if you can.

https://www.gofundme.com/manage/saving- ... 00-sn11106

To help you out, here is the correct link: https://www.gofundme.com/f/saving-cftav ... 00-sn11106
Yours looks like it goes to the management page instead of the page the public can see.

kjeld0d wrote:

Is there at least a small chance that these could be reactivated to fill in for 737MAX's?

Whats a snowball's chance in hell? This chance is less than that.

remingtonbox wrote:

rikkus67 wrote:

Some good news with the project. ALCO ENERGY from Edmonton, Alberta, has committed ground transport for both of our aircraft. This is a very significant development, and one that puts the porject much further ahead.

BUT...we are still far short of our goal. C-FTAV will be only one of two F-28-1000's (the initial production version), that will be on display WORLDWIDE. We have until January 31st to raise the money to purchase the plane. We $till need the aviation communite$ help! please support if you can.

https://www.gofundme.com/manage/saving- ... 00-sn11106

To help you out, here is the correct link: https://www.gofundme.com/f/saving-cftav ... 00-sn11106
Yours looks like it goes to the management page instead of the page the public can see.

kjeld0d wrote:

Is there at least a small chance that these could be reactivated to fill in for 737MAX's?

Whats a snowball's chance in hell? This chance is less than that.

Thanks Remingtonbox... I've been burning the candles at both ends AND the middle to make this happen. One of two on display in the world... as a proper airliner, in a museum setting. Even the Dutch won't have an original... I believe it will be a -4000 (the modest stretched version), if they acquire theirs. Ours has a "short" distance by land... just under 700 kms to move it.

$8150 is the difference between a display piece, and a piece of scrap metal.

This aircraft is now RARE. It deserves to be properly celebrated, and not end up as pop cans (soda cans in the USA). I've got the video of C-GTEO being scrapped, barely one week after I was inside. It's not a good feeling, especially as it took under 30 minutes to completely destroy it.

Our other acquisition has already been donated - a SHORTS SD3-30. Time Air was FIRST TO FLY the type. Interestingly enough....Fokker made the SD3-30/3-60 wings, and SHORTS made the F-28 wings. Direct tie in to both planes.

As if that isn't enough, we are now in the initial stages of hopefully bringing C-GCRA back to Lethbridge. A Fairchild F-27. Although the North American version of the Fokker F-27, it would be quite amazing to see both aircraft side by side, in Time Air colours.

After that, we come back to Canadian-made aircraft. On our radar is the DHC aircraft: Twin Otter, Dash 7, and Dash 8. The -6 was a leased aircraft. The -7 would have to be a stand in...although one of the initial three is available... in Venezuela.

The Dash 8 we want to acquire...and WILL be approaching AC/ AC Jazz, is C-GKTA. Time Air also launched the Dash 8-300, and -GKTA was the first production model.

Lots on the plate....but we still need money to get C-FTAV.

As members of the world wide airline community, I hope everyone will consider helping our cau$e...

Rik - YYC/YQL

rikkus67 wrote:

remingtonbox wrote:

rikkus67 wrote:

Some good news with the project. ALCO ENERGY from Edmonton, Alberta, has committed ground transport for both of our aircraft. This is a very significant development, and one that puts the porject much further ahead.

BUT...we are still far short of our goal. C-FTAV will be only one of two F-28-1000's (the initial production version), that will be on display WORLDWIDE. We have until January 31st to raise the money to purchase the plane. We $till need the aviation communite$ help! please support if you can.

https://www.gofundme.com/manage/saving- ... 00-sn11106

To help you out, here is the correct link: https://www.gofundme.com/f/saving-cftav ... 00-sn11106
Yours looks like it goes to the management page instead of the page the public can see.

kjeld0d wrote:

Is there at least a small chance that these could be reactivated to fill in for 737MAX's?

Whats a snowball's chance in hell? This chance is less than that.

Thanks Remingtonbox... I've been burning the candles at both ends AND the middle to make this happen. One of two on display in the world... as a proper airliner, in a museum setting. Even the Dutch won't have an original... I believe it will be a -4000 (the modest stretched version), if they acquire theirs. Ours has a "short" distance by land... just under 700 kms to move it.

$8150 is the difference between a display piece, and a piece of scrap metal.

This aircraft is now RARE. It deserves to be properly celebrated, and not end up as pop cans (soda cans in the USA). I've got the video of C-GTEO being scrapped, barely one week after I was inside. It's not a good feeling, especially as it took under 30 minutes to completely destroy it.

Our other acquisition has already been donated - a SHORTS SD3-30. Time Air was FIRST TO FLY the type. Interestingly enough....Fokker made the SD3-30/3-60 wings, and SHORTS made the F-28 wings. Direct tie in to both planes.

As if that isn't enough, we are now in the initial stages of hopefully bringing C-GCRA back to Lethbridge. A Fairchild F-27. Although the North American version of the Fokker F-27, it would be quite amazing to see both aircraft side by side, in Time Air colours.

After that, we come back to Canadian-made aircraft. On our radar is the DHC aircraft: Twin Otter, Dash 7, and Dash 8. The -6 was a leased aircraft. The -7 would have to be a stand in...although one of the initial three is available... in Venezuela.

The Dash 8 we want to acquire...and WILL be approaching AC/ AC Jazz, is C-GKTA. Time Air also launched the Dash 8-300, and -GKTA was the first production model.

Lots on the plate....but we still need money to get C-FTAV.

As members of the world wide airline community, I hope everyone will consider helping our cau$e...

Rik - YYC/YQL

Is C-GKTA one of the four planned DH3 retirements by the end of 2020?

If anyone has donated to the ‘save the Fokker’, feel free to brag about it.

Dominion.... thank you for the DHC-8-300 info. That one is TECHNICALLY a "Boeing Canada-DeHavilland Division" model. Only a few wore that data plate, before Bombardier took over. Someone will be knocking on AC / AC Jazz's door soon...

But, I digress. The Society still needs help raising the money for C-FTAV first. We can't do it alone. So yes everyone... plea$e help our cau$e!

Dominion301 wrote:

rikkus67 wrote:

remingtonbox wrote:

To help you out, here is the correct link: https://www.gofundme.com/f/saving-cftav ... 00-sn11106
Yours looks like it goes to the management page instead of the page the public can see.


Whats a snowball's chance in hell? This chance is less than that.

Thanks Remingtonbox... I've been burning the candles at both ends AND the middle to make this happen. One of two on display in the world... as a proper airliner, in a museum setting. Even the Dutch won't have an original... I believe it will be a -4000 (the modest stretched version), if they acquire theirs. Ours has a "short" distance by land... just under 700 kms to move it.

$8150 is the difference between a display piece, and a piece of scrap metal.

This aircraft is now RARE. It deserves to be properly celebrated, and not end up as pop cans (soda cans in the USA). I've got the video of C-GTEO being scrapped, barely one week after I was inside. It's not a good feeling, especially as it took under 30 minutes to completely destroy it.

Our other acquisition has already been donated - a SHORTS SD3-30. Time Air was FIRST TO FLY the type. Interestingly enough....Fokker made the SD3-30/3-60 wings, and SHORTS made the F-28 wings. Direct tie in to both planes.

As if that isn't enough, we are now in the initial stages of hopefully bringing C-GCRA back to Lethbridge. A Fairchild F-27. Although the North American version of the Fokker F-27, it would be quite amazing to see both aircraft side by side, in Time Air colours.

After that, we come back to Canadian-made aircraft. On our radar is the DHC aircraft: Twin Otter, Dash 7, and Dash 8. The -6 was a leased aircraft. The -7 would have to be a stand in...although one of the initial three is available... in Venezuela.

The Dash 8 we want to acquire...and WILL be approaching AC/ AC Jazz, is C-GKTA. Time Air also launched the Dash 8-300, and -GKTA was the first production model.

Lots on the plate....but we still need money to get C-FTAV.

As members of the world wide airline community, I hope everyone will consider helping our cau$e...

Rik - YYC/YQL

Is C-GKTA one of the four planned DH3 retirements by the end of 2020?

If anyone has donated to the ‘save the Fokker’, feel free to brag about it.

I wouldn’t get my hopes up to ever get a -301 Dash donated... Chorus plans to keep the retirees as spare parts since the 301 parts are very hard to come by... they’ll be chopped unfortunately.

CFM565A1 wrote:

Dominion301 wrote:

rikkus67 wrote:

Thanks Remingtonbox... I've been burning the candles at both ends AND the middle to make this happen. One of two on display in the world... as a proper airliner, in a museum setting. Even the Dutch won't have an original... I believe it will be a -4000 (the modest stretched version), if they acquire theirs. Ours has a "short" distance by land... just under 700 kms to move it.

$8150 is the difference between a display piece, and a piece of scrap metal.

This aircraft is now RARE. It deserves to be properly celebrated, and not end up as pop cans (soda cans in the USA). I've got the video of C-GTEO being scrapped, barely one week after I was inside. It's not a good feeling, especially as it took under 30 minutes to completely destroy it.

Our other acquisition has already been donated - a SHORTS SD3-30. Time Air was FIRST TO FLY the type. Interestingly enough....Fokker made the SD3-30/3-60 wings, and SHORTS made the F-28 wings. Direct tie in to both planes.

As if that isn't enough, we are now in the initial stages of hopefully bringing C-GCRA back to Lethbridge. A Fairchild F-27. Although the North American version of the Fokker F-27, it would be quite amazing to see both aircraft side by side, in Time Air colours.

After that, we come back to Canadian-made aircraft. On our radar is the DHC aircraft: Twin Otter, Dash 7, and Dash 8. The -6 was a leased aircraft. The -7 would have to be a stand in...although one of the initial three is available... in Venezuela.

The Dash 8 we want to acquire...and WILL be approaching AC/ AC Jazz, is C-GKTA. Time Air also launched the Dash 8-300, and -GKTA was the first production model.

Lots on the plate....but we still need money to get C-FTAV.

As members of the world wide airline community, I hope everyone will consider helping our cau$e...

Rik - YYC/YQL

Is C-GKTA one of the four planned DH3 retirements by the end of 2020?

If anyone has donated to the ‘save the Fokker’, feel free to brag about it.

I wouldn’t get my hopes up to ever get a -301 Dash donated... Chorus plans to keep the retirees as spare parts since the 301 parts are very hard to come by... they’ll be chopped unfortunately.

I'll get my hopes up. I have to. Too historically important to keep as spares. They have (most) of JXZ they can pull parts from...

F28 TC-52 of the Argentine Air Force has a test flight yesterday. Believed to be returning to service.

mark1484 wrote:

F28 TC-52 of the Argentine Air Force has a test flight yesterday. Believed to be returning to service.

That’s exciting.

rikkus67 wrote:

CFM565A1 wrote:

Dominion301 wrote:

Is C-GKTA one of the four planned DH3 retirements by the end of 2020?

If anyone has donated to the ‘save the Fokker’, feel free to brag about it.

I wouldn’t get my hopes up to ever get a -301 Dash donated... Chorus plans to keep the retirees as spare parts since the 301 parts are very hard to come by... they’ll be chopped unfortunately.

I'll get my hopes up. I have to. Too historically important to keep as spares. They have (most) of JXZ they can pull parts from...

JXZ is of no use for the main issue that the -301s are notorious for, the landing gears which are not in production any more while the -311 style ones that JXZ uses are. 3 -301s were already chopped as sacrificial lambs to part out for our other -301s.