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BA Schedules 744 for SJC-LHR in Summer 2020

Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:56 pm

As of now, British Airways has scheduled a 744 on SJC-LHR for next summer, from March 29 to October 23. The high-J configuration with 14F, 86C, 30W, and 145 Y is in the system for the flight, which is an increase of just 59 pax over the 789 that has been used since the route started in 2016. With both AUS and SAN getting upgauged, it does seem to fit with BA's strategy. It's an easy way to get seats to the Bay Area without dealing with SFO as well. This would be the first scheduled 747 into SJC.

Hopefully it wasn't just a misfile!
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Re: BA Schedules 744 for SJC-LHR in Summer 2020

Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:59 pm

KLMatSJC wrote:
As of now, British Airways has scheduled a 744 on SJC-LHR for next summer, from March 29 to October 23. The high-J configuration with 14F, 86C, 30W, and 145 Y is in the system for the flight, which is an increase of just 59 pax over the 789 that has been used since the route started in 2016. With both AUS and SAN getting upgauged, it does seem to fit with BA's strategy. It's an easy way to get seats to the Bay Area without dealing with SFO as well. This would be the first scheduled 747 into SJC.

Hopefully it wasn't just a misfile!


Wow., I hope that’s true. Would be very interesting to see.
 
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Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:08 pm

Wow.

Maybe they picked up a few corporate contracts?
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Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:13 pm

Very interesting given the significant increase in fuel expenditure in comparison to a B789. The bean counters must be hoping increased revenue will offset higher fuel and staff costs.
 
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Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:21 pm

lhrsfosyd91 wrote:
Very interesting given the significant increase in fuel expenditure in comparison to a B789. The bean counters must be hoping increased revenue will offset higher fuel and staff costs.


They seem to know what they’re doing. There were a lot of raised eyebrows and predictions of doom when AUS was upgauged to the 744, but I’ll be darned if the thing doesn’t come and go almost completely full in the high season. (Makes a heck of a racket when it takes off over my house, too.)

Granted, BA has made a couple of missteps over the years, but they’ve been pretty good about knowing which aircraft to deploy where.
 
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Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:48 pm

It'll be sweet to see a scheduled 744 at SJC!
 
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Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:20 pm

Indeed it will be very good to see scheduled 744 into SJC.
Is this the first time there is scheduled 744 into SJC or were there earlier instances also ?
 
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Re: BA Schedules 744 for SJC-LHR in Summer 2020

Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:08 am

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IIs this the first time there is scheduled 744 into SJC or were there earlier instances also ?

There's been a few charters here and there, but never anything scheduled. Only one of those flights ended up going to a gate too.
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Re: BA Schedules 744 for SJC-LHR in Summer 2020

Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:59 am

KLMatSJC wrote:
mandargb wrote:
IIs this the first time there is scheduled 744 into SJC or were there earlier instances also ?

There's been a few charters here and there, but never anything scheduled. Only one of those flights ended up going to a gate too.


I always hoped to see a scheduled 747,but never thought it would really happen.
 
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Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:11 am

KLMatSJC wrote:
mandargb wrote:
IIs this the first time there is scheduled 744 into SJC or were there earlier instances also ?

There's been a few charters here and there, but never anything scheduled. Only one of those flights ended up going to a gate too.

That was the JAL charter, correct?

Hopefully BA doesn't change their mind, I can't wait to see those 747s in and out of SJC!
 
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Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:31 am

Chasensfo wrote:
KLMatSJC wrote:
mandargb wrote:
IIs this the first time there is scheduled 744 into SJC or were there earlier instances also ?

There's been a few charters here and there, but never anything scheduled. Only one of those flights ended up going to a gate too.

That was the JAL charter, correct?

Hopefully BA doesn't change their mind, I can't wait to see those 747s in and out of SJC!

Correct!

I'd expect SJC to change their mind first honestly. We know how the Bay Area Airports operate.
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Re: BA Schedules 744 for SJC-LHR in Summer 2020

Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:20 am

Congrats to SJC getting the 'Queen' next summer!

I'm wondering if cargo could be a factor? Apparently in SAN, BA carries overflow cargo from LA, thus helping fill up our flight's belly; they simply truck it up and down the 5 between LAX and SAN. Could SJC also be carrying some SFO-cargo as a supplement to what freight business is produced locally? I'm sometimes reminded that it's not always all about pax loads.

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Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:21 am

I wonder if the shift to 747's could be as can offer more freight space/uplift vs the 787.
 
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Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:27 am

I think the real reason is only a jumbo can offer 100 (14F and 86J) premium class seats from Silicon Valley to London every night. Voluminous cargo capacity won’t hurt. Go BA!
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Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:46 am

That’s going to look absolutely majestic from downtown SJC every day. Congrats on SJC becoming an RB211-524 city!
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Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:05 am

khowaga wrote:
There were a lot of raised eyebrows and predictions of doom when AUS was upgauged to the 744, but I’ll be darned if the thing doesn’t come and go almost completely full in the high season.


Knowing that the South Bay/Santa Clara area and Austin are tech hubs, I wonder if this is due to BA's network to the tech hubs of India (DEL/BLR/HYD). BA is also the only TATL carrier to serve both SFO and Hyderabad besides Emirates (and Turkish probably won't get any more slots to India for political reasons). Plus, Etihad has pulled out of SFO and Qatar has never flown there.

It's for similar reasons (tech demand) why I believe BA can fill a Super Hi J 744 + daily 772 to Seattle, whereas YVR only gets a mid-J 744 in winter or one 388 in the summer (to Terminal 3 no less), which means far less premium capacity.
 
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Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:28 am

MSY is seeing the 789 for much of the month of April. Maybe that’s where the bird is coming from?
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Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:54 am

lhrsfosyd91 wrote:
Very interesting given the significant increase in fuel expenditure in comparison to a B789. The bean counters must be hoping increased revenue will offset higher fuel and staff costs.


This is not a marginal uptick in capacity. It’s significant.
 
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Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:46 am

ltbewr wrote:
I wonder if the shift to 747's could be as can offer more freight space/uplift vs the 787.

I know LH used to go out with a ton of cargo each day. It does make sense.
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Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:42 am

airzona11 wrote:
lhrsfosyd91 wrote:
Very interesting given the significant increase in fuel expenditure in comparison to a B789. The bean counters must be hoping increased revenue will offset higher fuel and staff costs.


This is not a marginal uptick in capacity. It’s significant.


I think you'll find a fuel burn from 4 engines instead of 2 is also a significant uptick.
 
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Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:45 am

cedarjet wrote:
I think the real reason is only a jumbo can offer 100 (14F and 86J) premium class seats from Silicon Valley to London every night. Voluminous cargo capacity won’t hurt. Go BA!


As impressive as 100 premium seats look like one have to keep in mind BA F and J products on the 744 are one of the most outdated out there. And 744's are not getting the new product at all as they are planned to be fully retired by 2025.

On their final years I guess we'll see BA's 744s deployed to not so large markets with little or no competition such as AUS and SJC, markets like SFO or LAX just to mention California, will start to get reocnfigured F/J or newly delivered frames in order to fare better against competition.
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Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:05 am

upperdeckfan wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
I think the real reason is only a jumbo can offer 100 (14F and 86J) premium class seats from Silicon Valley to London every night. Voluminous cargo capacity won’t hurt. Go BA!


As impressive as 100 premium seats look like one have to keep in mind BA F and J products on the 744 are one of the most outdated out there. And 744's are not getting the new product at all as they are planned to be fully retired by 2025.

On their final years I guess we'll see BA's 744s deployed to not so large markets with little or no competition such as AUS and SJC, markets like SFO or LAX just to mention California, will start to get reocnfigured F/J or newly delivered frames in order to fare better against competition.


But if its the 86J config then these are actually in decent shape having had a full refresh (old product in J), and are not a bad ride at all.
 
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Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:25 am

mutu wrote:
upperdeckfan wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
I think the real reason is only a jumbo can offer 100 (14F and 86J) premium class seats from Silicon Valley to London every night. Voluminous cargo capacity won’t hurt. Go BA!


As impressive as 100 premium seats look like one have to keep in mind BA F and J products on the 744 are one of the most outdated out there. And 744's are not getting the new product at all as they are planned to be fully retired by 2025.

On their final years I guess we'll see BA's 744s deployed to not so large markets with little or no competition such as AUS and SJC, markets like SFO or LAX just to mention California, will start to get reocnfigured F/J or newly delivered frames in order to fare better against competition.


But if its the 86J config then these are actually in decent shape having had a full refresh (old product in J), and are not a bad ride at all.


If you compare with LH or the old KL J products, then BA old J is not a bad ride at all, but in my opinion, BA old J is a worse hard product than any of the US3, except for UA's old J which doesn't go to LHR anymore.
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Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:18 pm

lhrsfosyd91 wrote:
airzona11 wrote:
lhrsfosyd91 wrote:
Very interesting given the significant increase in fuel expenditure in comparison to a B789. The bean counters must be hoping increased revenue will offset higher fuel and staff costs.


This is not a marginal uptick in capacity. It’s significant.


I think you'll find a fuel burn from 4 engines instead of 2 is also a significant uptick.

Balanced out by the aircraft having been paid for years ago.
 
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Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:11 pm

leftcoast8 wrote:
khowaga wrote:
There were a lot of raised eyebrows and predictions of doom when AUS was upgauged to the 744, but I’ll be darned if the thing doesn’t come and go almost completely full in the high season.


Knowing that the South Bay/Santa Clara area and Austin are tech hubs, I wonder if this is due to BA's network to the tech hubs of India (DEL/BLR/HYD).


It might be for SJC, and it’s certainly a plausible idea.

A few of us looked at this when LH announced AUS and realized that the outbound BA190 AUS-LHR arrives in London too late for ‘legal’ connections to most of the subcontinent, so most India bound traffic would have to go out via the AA codeshare. (STA is 1005 at the moment; I think the earliest it’s ever been is 0935).

On the return the departure is late enough to bring India-originating traffic.

From a profit perspective, it’s metal neutral because of the JV, but India bound pax wouldn’t help fill up the outbound flight to the degree we thought it might.
 
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Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:32 pm

upperdeckfan wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
I think the real reason is only a jumbo can offer 100 (14F and 86J) premium class seats from Silicon Valley to London every night. Voluminous cargo capacity won’t hurt. Go BA!


As impressive as 100 premium seats look like one have to keep in mind BA F and J products on the 744 are one of the most outdated out there. And 744's are not getting the new product at all as they are planned to be fully retired by 2025.

On their final years I guess we'll see BA's 744s deployed to not so large markets with little or no competition such as AUS and SJC, markets like SFO or LAX just to mention California, will start to get reocnfigured F/J or newly delivered frames in order to fare better against competition.


Old product or not IMO the upper deck of the 744 and especially seats 62A/K are arguably the best J seat in the sky.
 
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Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:51 pm

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Old product or not IMO the upper deck of the 744 and especially seats 62A/K are arguably the best J seat in the sky.


Being the "upperdeckfan" I have to disagree LOL,

My rank from what I've flown myself:

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2.- LH's 748 88H/K
3.- Any other seat in the upper deck of any other 748 or 744 flying out there.
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Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:00 pm

khowaga wrote:
leftcoast8 wrote:
khowaga wrote:
There were a lot of raised eyebrows and predictions of doom when AUS was upgauged to the 744, but I’ll be darned if the thing doesn’t come and go almost completely full in the high season.


Knowing that the South Bay/Santa Clara area and Austin are tech hubs, I wonder if this is due to BA's network to the tech hubs of India (DEL/BLR/HYD).


It might be for SJC, and it’s certainly a plausible idea.

A few of us looked at this when LH announced AUS and realized that the outbound BA190 AUS-LHR arrives in London too late for ‘legal’ connections to most of the subcontinent, so most India bound traffic would have to go out via the AA codeshare. (STA is 1005 at the moment; I think the earliest it’s ever been is 0935).

On the return the departure is late enough to bring India-originating traffic.

From a profit perspective, it’s metal neutral because of the JV, but India bound pax wouldn’t help fill up the outbound flight to the degree we thought it might.


The key connection for AUS to India was always BLR. The AUS timings give a 3 hour 40 minute connection, plenty of time for a longhaul to longhaul connection. The AUS timings also provide for similar connection times to MAA and HYD. The DEL and BOM flights require a longer layover for the BA257 and BA199/135 but then people can decide whether they prefer an AUS-DFW-LHR-BOM with shorter layovers or an AUS-LHR-BOM with a bit of a longer layover.

SJC to BLR is only an hour and 5 minute connection - legal and sellable but very tight. Or very efficient, depending on how you choose to look at it.
 
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Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:44 pm

lhrsfosyd91 wrote:
airzona11 wrote:
lhrsfosyd91 wrote:
Very interesting given the significant increase in fuel expenditure in comparison to a B789. The bean counters must be hoping increased revenue will offset higher fuel and staff costs.


This is not a marginal uptick in capacity. It’s significant.


I think you'll find a fuel burn from 4 engines instead of 2 is also a significant uptick.


No doubt the 744 burns more than the 789. My point being that the larger capacity is really only covering the variable costs of flying the route (crew+fuels,etc). The plane is likely well on its way to being paid off, so that make the financials much more favorable.
 
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Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:12 pm

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airbazar wrote:

Old product or not IMO the upper deck of the 744 and especially seats 62A/K are arguably the best J seat in the sky.


Being the "upperdeckfan" I have to disagree LOL,

My rank from what I've flown myself:

1.- KE's 748 21H/J
2.- LH's 748 88H/K
3.- Any other seat in the upper deck of any other 748 or 744 flying out there.
4.- Any other lower deck J seat on any 748 or 744.


Sorry the thread is about BA so I was limiting myself to BA aircraft.
Having said that I'm curious why you'd put "any other upper deck J" ahead of BA's 62 A/K?
Since I'm a "window type person", any other seat just won't cut it for me. And I especially love the "exit row" window seats on BA's upper deck 744's because of the additional extra space that you get.
I also don't understand why one would prefer a seat right next to the galley and stairs, or the lavs.
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Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:19 pm

Wow. That's going to be quite a sight seeing a 747 a couple hundred feet over downtown San Jose. I hope I get to see it!
 
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Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:22 pm

Well this is exciting. Can't wait to learn how this is gonna park at the terminal.
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Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:37 pm

airbazar wrote:
upperdeckfan wrote:
airbazar wrote:

Old product or not IMO the upper deck of the 744 and especially seats 62A/K are arguably the best J seat in the sky.


Being the "upperdeckfan" I have to disagree LOL,

My rank from what I've flown myself:

1.- KE's 748 21H/J
2.- LH's 748 88H/K
3.- Any other seat in the upper deck of any other 748 or 744 flying out there.
4.- Any other lower deck J seat on any 748 or 744.


Sorry the thread is about BA so I was limiting myself to BA aircraft.
Having said that I'm curious why you'd put "any other upper deck J" ahead of BA's 62 A/K?
Since I'm a "window type person", any other seat just won't cut it for me. And I especially love the "exit row" window seats on BA's upper deck 744's because of the additional extra space that you get.
I also don't understand why one would prefer a seat right next to the galley and stairs, or the lavs.


When I say "any other" I was meaning any other than KE's and LH's 748's, so BA 62A/K falls within my #3 preference.

Liking the last row of the 748 is a personal preference, might seem weird but I like the view of the whole cabin ahead of me, specially in the stretched upper deck of the 748. LH and KE's 748's have lavs in the front and once meal service is over there is not that much activity in the upper deck galley.
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Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:17 pm

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Well this is exciting. Can't wait to learn how this is gonna park at the terminal.


Thought I'd read a while back that SJC has 1 A380-capable gate. If so, it could, of course, fit a 744. Also, SJC has seen plenty of 777 traffic, and I think a 744 can squeeze into most gates that can handle 777s.
 
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Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:39 pm

SRT75 wrote:
iflykpdx wrote:
Well this is exciting. Can't wait to learn how this is gonna park at the terminal.


Thought I'd read a while back that SJC has 1 A380-capable gate. If so, it could, of course, fit a 744. Also, SJC has seen plenty of 777 traffic, and I think a 744 can squeeze into most gates that can handle 777s.


I’ve been wondering about that myself. The ramp is fairly narrow, as are the taxiways.
 
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Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:48 pm

It appears that the 747 is confirmed by routes online...

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-06dec19/

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Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:53 pm

SRT75 wrote:
iflykpdx wrote:
Well this is exciting. Can't wait to learn how this is gonna park at the terminal.


Thought I'd read a while back that SJC has 1 A380-capable gate. If so, it could, of course, fit a 744. Also, SJC has seen plenty of 777 traffic, and I think a 744 can squeeze into most gates that can handle 777s.


No A380 capable gate. It will likely park at 15 with both 14 and 16 restricted to a 737/A320, which shouldn't be a problem at that time.
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Re: BA Schedules 744 for SJC-LHR in Summer 2020

Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:37 pm

KLMatSJC wrote:
SRT75 wrote:
iflykpdx wrote:
Well this is exciting. Can't wait to learn how this is gonna park at the terminal.


Thought I'd read a while back that SJC has 1 A380-capable gate. If so, it could, of course, fit a 744. Also, SJC has seen plenty of 777 traffic, and I think a 744 can squeeze into most gates that can handle 777s.


No A380 capable gate. It will likely park at 15 with both 14 and 16 restricted to a 737/A320, which shouldn't be a problem at that time.


That’s right, BA operates in the late afternoon and early evening, well after all of the Asia flights have come and gone.
 
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Re: BA Schedules 744 for SJC-LHR in Summer 2020

Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:31 pm

This is cool, looking forward to seeing the Queen there! I'm wondering why BA managed to make it work but LH couldn't. Maybe they're not as concerned with cannibalizing traffic up the peninsula.
 
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Re: BA Schedules 744 for SJC-LHR in Summer 2020

Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:33 pm

SJC has been my home airport my entire life. I might be mis-remembering but I believe the City of San Jose limited aircraft size for SCHEDULED flights to not bigger than MD-11 once upon a time? SJC has never had 747 regular scheduled service as far as I can remember. MD-11 and DC-10 for sure. Does anyone else remember this restriction?
 
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Re: BA Schedules 744 for SJC-LHR in Summer 2020

Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:15 am

26point2 wrote:
SJC has been my home airport my entire life. I might be mis-remembering but I believe the City of San Jose limited aircraft size for SCHEDULED flights to not bigger than MD-11 once upon a time? SJC has never had 747 regular scheduled service as far as I can remember. MD-11 and DC-10 for sure. Does anyone else remember this restriction?


It was my home airport in the MD-11/DC-10 era too. Not sure which resurfacing did it but the weight limits on runway 30L were upped to 875k lbs some time ago, so scheduled 744 service would have been possible from that point.
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Re: BA Schedules 744 for SJC-LHR in Summer 2020

Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:55 am

I had heard of the 744 restrictions where related to taxi way width in addition to weight.
 
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Re: BA Schedules 744 for SJC-LHR in Summer 2020

Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:35 am

P3guy wrote:
I had heard of the 744 restrictions where related to taxi way width in addition to weight.


Yes, I remember the restrictions. You used to have to notify the airport management when planning to operate certain widebodies. I’m pretty sure 747 ops cause issues still. If you look at the notes On Airnav, you can see all of the restrictions...

https://www.airnav.com/airport/KSJC

TWY Y WILL BE PERIODICALLY RESTRICTED TO ACFT WITH A WINGSPAN OF LESS THAN 171 FT (MD-11 OR SMALLER) DURING B-787 AND A-340 OPNS ON RY 12L/30R.
- TWY Z WILL BE PERIODICALLY RESTRICTED TO ACFT WITH A WINGSPAN OF LESS THAN 118 FT (B-737-900 OR SMALLER) DURING B-787 AND A-340 OPNS. TWY Z BTN 200 FT NW OF TWY H AND 200 FT NW OF TWY K LTD TO ACFT WITH WINGSPAN OF LESS THAN 135 FT (B-757-300 OR SMALLER).
...

UNSCHEDULED OPNS BY GROUP 5 ACFT (B747) AND LARGER NOT AUTH EXCEPT WITH PRIOR ARPT APPROVAL CTC AMGR (408) 392-3500.

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FIRST 400 FT RY 30R & RY 30L CLSD FOR TKOF DC10, MD11, L1011.
TWY D BETWEEN TWY W AND TWY V LIMITED TO ACFT WITH A WINGSPAN OF LESS THAN 118 FT (B-737-900 OR SMALLER).
 
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Re: BA Schedules 744 for SJC-LHR in Summer 2020

Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:48 am

26point2 wrote:
SJC has been my home airport my entire life. I might be mis-remembering but I believe the City of San Jose limited aircraft size for SCHEDULED flights to not bigger than MD-11 once upon a time? SJC has never had 747 regular scheduled service as far as I can remember. MD-11 and DC-10 for sure. Does anyone else remember this restriction?

You would be correct about that. I never understood why they would fly in DC-10s I remember AA had a daily flight, don't know where from but it had a daily landing, plus seeing a few random ones, cargoes.

Idk if it was a runway issue, a san Jose issue, or a gate issue. There wasnt a tremendous difference in size I thought that would allow a DC-10 to land but not a 747. I guess I must have figured it was right on the line for the 10.

Whatever they've done to allow scheduled flights is going to be a tremendous boost for SJC. Hopefully it will also thin out some conjestion if they can get in some other long range flights in with say the 777 or have some of the others flying the 747 to bring flights In.

On a few occasions, especially I had to go to SFO. Or sometimes just to get a better flight.

Btw, this was in 87-,89 that I lived just a few miles from the air port. There were many times on days off I'd watch planes come in for an hr, maybe more. In the 2&1/2 years I lived there I saw hundreds on approach, on final. 3 out of 4 days if not more I saw the landing approach but occasionally I'd see them take off as well.
 
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Re: BA Schedules 744 for SJC-LHR in Summer 2020

Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:07 am

timh4000 wrote:
You would be correct about that. I never understood why they would fly in DC-10s I remember AA had a daily flight, don't know where from but it had a daily landing, plus seeing a few random ones, cargoes.

The NRT flight used to be a DC-10-30 originally. I believe UA also used them for SJC-HNL but I might be wrong. I am fairly sure UA operated them at SJC though.
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Re: BA Schedules 744 for SJC-LHR in Summer 2020

Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:21 pm

KLMatSJC wrote:
timh4000 wrote:
You would be correct about that. I never understood why they would fly in DC-10s I remember AA had a daily flight, don't know where from but it had a daily landing, plus seeing a few random ones, cargoes.

The NRT flight used to be a DC-10-30 originally. I believe UA also used them for SJC-HNL but I might be wrong. I am fairly sure UA operated them at SJC though.


The first scheduled DC-10 (or any widebody) was UA SJC-DEN, around 1976. They may have used DC-10s on SJC-HNL, but I’m pretty sure they at least started that route with DC-8s. TW occasionally brought in an L-1011, but it wasn’t really consistent.
 
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Re: BA Schedules 744 for SJC-LHR in Summer 2020

Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:48 am

AirFiero wrote:
KLMatSJC wrote:
timh4000 wrote:
You would be correct about that. I never understood why they would fly in DC-10s I remember AA had a daily flight, don't know where from but it had a daily landing, plus seeing a few random ones, cargoes.

The NRT flight used to be a DC-10-30 originally. I believe UA also used them for SJC-HNL but I might be wrong. I am fairly sure UA operated them at SJC though.


The first scheduled DC-10 (or any widebody) was UA SJC-DEN, around 1976. They may have used DC-10s on SJC-HNL, but I’m pretty sure they at least started that route with DC-8s. TW occasionally brought in an L-1011, but it wasn’t really consistent.

In 1990 I flew UA SJC-DEN. It was on a brand new 767. You could tell by the carpets, the seats, the windows were perfectly clear. Its possibly the youngest plane I've ever rode in.

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