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Armodeen
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Spirit A319 damaged during maintenance?

Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:16 pm

There are pictures circulating on Facebook that appear to show Spirit A319 N533NK with it’s left wing on the ground after apparently falling off the jacks during maintenance. The jacks can be seen impailed through the wing/fuselage and the pictures detail damage to numerous areas of the aircraft. There is also a video.

Unfortunately I can’t link to the group as it is a closed group, I have so far not been able to find this elsewhere online. Anyone have any info?

Bare with me and I’ll try to upload the pics elsewhere so I can link them.

https://ibb.co/W255DST
https://ibb.co/fvwfYSf
https://ibb.co/8sgjH2H
https://ibb.co/bgHSMsC
https://ibb.co/9p42mJw
https://ibb.co/tQLxN5G
https://ibb.co/vkpVcJ1
https://ibb.co/Q8JqCh3
https://ibb.co/xqq5vJs
https://ibb.co/dK6nQ9R
Last edited by Armodeen on Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:34 pm, edited 2 times in total.
 
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Re: Spirit A320 damaged during maintenance?

Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:18 pm

The aircraft is an A319.


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Re: Spirit A320 damaged during maintenance?

Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:26 pm

zackary747 wrote:
The aircraft is an A319.


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Apologies, updated to reflect that. Image links added to the OP.
 
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Re: Spirit A319 damaged during maintenance?

Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:43 pm

My guess, they try lift main gear via axle jack while plane sits on wing/body jacks. Than wing jack slide off from jack pad and this happened.
 
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Re: Spirit A319 damaged during maintenance?

Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:54 pm

It’s not through the wing it’s through the flaps. Who’s the vendor doing the maintenance?
 
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Re: Spirit A319 damaged during maintenance?

Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:05 pm

Phoenix757767 wrote:
It’s not through the wing it’s through the flaps. Who’s the vendor doing the maintenance?

N533NK ferried FLL-BQN on 11/27 so definitely Aguadilla. FWIW Lufthansa Technik has a facility there.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N533NK
 
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Re: Spirit A319 damaged during maintenance?

Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:11 pm

This could be what we commonly call a "career-limiting event."

Lots of damage; lots of money. Insurance.
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Re: Spirit A319 damaged during maintenance?

Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:12 pm

Some speed tape will fix that right up.

Also, could be a write-off.
 
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Re: Spirit A319 damaged during maintenance?

Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:35 am

Phoenix757767 wrote:
It’s not through the wing it’s through the flaps. Who’s the vendor doing the maintenance?


The jack is actually through the wing but aft of the spar through the trailing edge cavity. There is significant damage but nothing that is not repairable. The question is what age is the aircraft, what will be the repair cost and is an A319 with it's higher CASM worth repairing?
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Re: Spirit A319 damaged during maintenance?

Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:57 am

Phoenix757767 wrote:
It’s not through the wing it’s through the flaps. Who’s the vendor doing the maintenance?


Looks like some of the shirts in the picture say Lufthansa Technik.
 
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Re: Spirit A319 damaged during maintenance?

Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:34 am

Similar thing happened to FedEx a300. Also I remember similar thing at MRO when they have started lifting a319 on the tail. Unfortunately structural damage happened, but airplane was fixed and it is still flying!
 
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Re: Spirit A319 damaged during maintenance?

Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:38 am

Let me first admit I do not know A319 jack points,
But doesn't this photo show a body jack point shifted and pierced the body?

https://ibb.co/9p42mJw

(One of the OP links).

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Re: Spirit A319 damaged during maintenance?

Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:48 am

lightsaber wrote:
Let me first admit I do not know A319 jack points,
But doesn't this photo show a body jack point shifted and pierced the body?

https://ibb.co/9p42mJw

(One of the OP links).

Lightsaber

Similar thing happened 5 years ago.
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Re: Spirit A319 damaged during maintenance?

Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:24 am

https://ibb.co/xqq5vJs

There is the jack with only one wheel and a brake assembly on the main, probably the culprit that caused the slip.

lightsaber wrote:
Let me first admit I do not know A319 jack points,But doesn't this photo show a body jack point shifted and pierced the body?


I am thinking that is a normal jack point from the location.


I sure Spirt will be writing a stellar review after this maintenance check.

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Re: Spirit A319 damaged during maintenance?

Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:33 am

lightsaber wrote:
Let me first admit I do not know A319 jack points,
But doesn't this photo show a body jack point shifted and pierced the body?

https://ibb.co/9p42mJw

(One of the OP links).

Lightsaber


That pic in particular actually reminded me of something else.
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Re: Spirit A319 damaged during maintenance?

Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:35 am

You are all so pessimistic. With just a little work that jack will be back in service.

:slaphappy:
 
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Re: Spirit A319 damaged during maintenance?

Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:23 am

 
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Re: Spirit A319 damaged during maintenance?

Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:35 am

smithbs wrote:
You are all so pessimistic. With just a little work that jack will be back in service.

:slaphappy:

As the jet is just a little bit over 10 years, it is likely it will be repaired. Still the A319 ceo are not any more really searched, the damages are extensive and Spirit is receiving new A320 Neo now. If they will plan to retire/long time store some A319 ceo in next time, I will not be surprised, if it will be parted out and scrapped. Used A319 are cheap now and the jet is in an ownership by: "WELLS FARGO TRUST CO NA TRUSTEE".
https://de.flightaware.com/resources/registration/N533NK
What will the insurance and/or the owner decide?
 
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Re: Spirit A319 damaged during maintenance?

Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:13 pm

Likely repairable, be interesting to see if the fin copped any damage as that tail docking was close.

As for who picks up the tab, if done by a third party then a good chance it’ll be their insurance picking up the bill for repairs.

If its on Spirits then it’ll be solely down to the repair cost verses the agreed value of the aircraft. In almost all insurance cases If less than 75% than the agreed value it’ll be being fixed.

Insurers won’t pay out on like CASM being poor like mentioned above.
 
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Re: Spirit A319 damaged during maintenance?

Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:41 pm

T4thH wrote:
smithbs wrote:
You are all so pessimistic. With just a little work that jack will be back in service.

:slaphappy:

As the jet is just a little bit over 10 years, it is likely it will be repaired. Still the A319 ceo are not any more really searched, the damages are extensive and Spirit is receiving new A320 Neo now. If they will plan to retire/long time store some A319 ceo in next time, I will not be surprised, if it will be parted out and scrapped. Used A319 are cheap now and the jet is in an ownership by: "WELLS FARGO TRUST CO NA TRUSTEE".
https://de.flightaware.com/resources/registration/N533NK
What will the insurance and/or the owner decide?

You are correct, the real owner, Wells Fargo, and the various insurance companies determine what happens. Spirit has only a choice if they are willing to chip in more to get the plane back.

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Re: Spirit A319 damaged during maintenance?

Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:53 pm

720B wrote:

Those are all the same photos from the OP.
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Re: Spirit A319 damaged during maintenance?

Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:17 pm

Wells Fargo is probably the Trustee, managing it for the real owner
 
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Re: Spirit A319 damaged during maintenance?

Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:09 pm

Where's that 'Lufthansa is perfect - it must be the FAA's fault' thread?
 
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Re: Spirit A319 damaged during maintenance?

Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:38 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Where's that 'Lufthansa is perfect - it must be the FAA's fault' thread?

Oh gosh... Please what can be expected minimum, if you have to flame, you are able to name the company correctly, so it is less silly, as it is already now.
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Re: Spirit A319 damaged during maintenance?

Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:56 pm

T4thH wrote:
smithbs wrote:
You are all so pessimistic. With just a little work that jack will be back in service.

:slaphappy:

As the jet is just a little bit over 10 years, it is likely it will be repaired. Still the A319 ceo are not any more really searched, the damages are extensive and Spirit is receiving new A320 Neo now. If they will plan to retire/long time store some A319 ceo in next time, I will not be surprised, if it will be parted out and scrapped. Used A319 are cheap now and the jet is in an ownership by: "WELLS FARGO TRUST CO NA TRUSTEE".
https://de.flightaware.com/resources/registration/N533NK
What will the insurance and/or the owner decide?

The Accident happened while in Maintenance. Lufthansa Technik should be paying for the repairs out of their pocket.. It shouldn't matter how old the airplane is nor whether they have new airplanes coming. That airplane is damaged and needs to be Fixed...
 
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Re: Spirit A319 damaged during maintenance?

Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:57 pm

The jacking points on the A320 family are all the same except the A321 has larger locating holes for the jack. They are all on the rear spar just outboard of the pylon, and it is essentially 4 holes, 2 large and 2 small for the jack plate to locate to.

Looking at the pics damage is extensive, lower trailing edge panels, and the inbd link station. Not to mention all the hydraulics run through that section for the spoilers and aileron. Also, a wiring loom runs along that section too.
 
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Re: Spirit A319 damaged during maintenance?

Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:19 pm

strfyr51 wrote:
T4thH wrote:
smithbs wrote:
You are all so pessimistic. With just a little work that jack will be back in service.

:slaphappy:

As the jet is just a little bit over 10 years, it is likely it will be repaired. Still the A319 ceo are not any more really searched, the damages are extensive and Spirit is receiving new A320 Neo now. If they will plan to retire/long time store some A319 ceo in next time, I will not be surprised, if it will be parted out and scrapped. Used A319 are cheap now and the jet is in an ownership by: "WELLS FARGO TRUST CO NA TRUSTEE".
https://de.flightaware.com/resources/registration/N533NK
What will the insurance and/or the owner decide?

The Accident happened while in Maintenance. Lufthansa Technik should be paying for the repairs out of their pocket.. It shouldn't matter how old the airplane is nor whether they have new airplanes coming. That airplane is damaged and needs to be Fixed...

I am on your site; seems someone has failed to do the job, also we do not know the whole story. Perhaps something else unexpected went wrong what is not in the responsibility of the crews there.
But this is now the real live, so an insurance company together with the owner has now to decide and (the insurance company) to pay. For something like this, it is the job of the insurance companies. For this insurance fees are paid for years. Pretty sure, I do not want to be responsible for this....someone will have to answer some questions and the answers will be interesting.
 
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Re: Spirit A319 damaged during maintenance?

Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:22 pm

strfyr51 wrote:
T4thH wrote:
smithbs wrote:
You are all so pessimistic. With just a little work that jack will be back in service.

:slaphappy:

As the jet is just a little bit over 10 years, it is likely it will be repaired. Still the A319 ceo are not any more really searched, the damages are extensive and Spirit is receiving new A320 Neo now. If they will plan to retire/long time store some A319 ceo in next time, I will not be surprised, if it will be parted out and scrapped. Used A319 are cheap now and the jet is in an ownership by: "WELLS FARGO TRUST CO NA TRUSTEE".
https://de.flightaware.com/resources/registration/N533NK
What will the insurance and/or the owner decide?

The Accident happened while in Maintenance. Lufthansa Technik should be paying for the repairs out of their pocket.. It shouldn't matter how old the airplane is nor whether they have new airplanes coming. That airplane is damaged and needs to be Fixed...

Yes and no, Lufthansa has insurance that will likely either pay to replace the aircraft, or pay for the repair, now spirit and the lessor may decide instead of having the aircraft fixed they would rather just take a check, not unlike what happens if you have a car crash, this is likely spelled out in the contract between Lufthansa Technik and Spirit airlines, and Spirit airlines contract with the aircraft lessor.
 
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Re: Spirit A319 damaged during maintenance?

Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:26 pm

T4thH wrote:
strfyr51 wrote:
T4thH wrote:
As the jet is just a little bit over 10 years, it is likely it will be repaired. Still the A319 ceo are not any more really searched, the damages are extensive and Spirit is receiving new A320 Neo now. If they will plan to retire/long time store some A319 ceo in next time, I will not be surprised, if it will be parted out and scrapped. Used A319 are cheap now and the jet is in an ownership by: "WELLS FARGO TRUST CO NA TRUSTEE".
https://de.flightaware.com/resources/registration/N533NK
What will the insurance and/or the owner decide?

The Accident happened while in Maintenance. Lufthansa Technik should be paying for the repairs out of their pocket.. It shouldn't matter how old the airplane is nor whether they have new airplanes coming. That airplane is damaged and needs to be Fixed...

I am on your site; seems someone has failed to do the job, also we do not know the whole story. Perhaps something else unexpected went wrong what is not in the responsibility of the crews there.
But this is now the real live, so an insurance company together with the owner has now to decide and (the insurance company) to pay. For something like this, it is the job of the insurance companies. For this insurance fees are paid for years. Pretty sure, I do not want to be responsible for this....someone will have to answer some questions and the answers will be interesting.



Lufthansa Technik has insurance to cover damage during repairs. It is their insurance company that has to pay. Lufthansa Technik will have to pay the deductible.

In most cases they and their insurance company will pay to repair the aircraft + added down time losses. If the damage is extensive, they will just pay off the value of the aircraft and scrap it. I believe in this case they will still be on the hook for down time losses to the carrier until the aircraft can have an effective in service replacement operating.

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Re: Spirit A319 damaged during maintenance?

Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:13 am

This is more than the wing damage. The horizontal and vert stab likely have major damage due contact with the scaffolding. Also the tail stand is through the plane to a likely significant amount.

If someone was jacking from the gear while also on stands this was a major safety lapse. Given the work platforms and scaffolding in place this did not happen during a normal operation to put the plane on stands.

Factoring in the cost of a replacement 319 and value of the parts that can be robbed from this plane there is not a lot of room before it becomes scrap.
 
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Re: Spirit A319 damaged during maintenance?

Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:01 am

Spacepope wrote:
720B wrote:

Those are all the same photos from the OP.


and that blog post was created well after OP posted the same pics (which OP acknowledges are from facebook).

once again, the credit card blogs steal content without attribution.

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