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smi0006 wrote:Makes more sense then the old days of some of the smaller players having a single 330,767 or 777 just to serve JFK. If they can cycle the aircraft through short haul too like EI does they will get some decent utilisation out of it
Waterbomber2 wrote:I doubt that Air Malta will survive that long though, at least not in its current form.
They'll probably be absorbed by then, their balance sheet is basically insolvent.
davidjohnson6 wrote:How much of a business link is there between Malta and India ? I would guess not a lot
If Air Malta are launching these 2 routes purely to compete in the US-India market, I think they will end up just the bargain hunters as passengers while the likes of BA or LH take the high fare pax and profitability might be challenging
davidjohnson6 wrote:How much of a business link is there between Malta and India ? I would guess not a lot
If Air Malta are launching these 2 routes purely to compete in the US-India market, I think they will end up just the bargain hunters as passengers while the likes of BA or LH take the high fare pax and profitability might be challenging
davidjohnson6 wrote:How much of a business link is there between Malta and India ? I would guess not a lot
If Air Malta are launching these 2 routes purely to compete in the US-India market, I think they will end up just the bargain hunters as passengers while the likes of BA or LH take the high fare pax and profitability might be challenging
abrelosojos wrote:Because connecting India and the U.S. is such a revolutionary idea.
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dcajet wrote:(Not sure if this has been discussed before)
According to ATW, Air Malta will receive 2 A321XLRs in 2024 and plans to begin long haul services from the island to India and New York.
https://atwonline.com/airports-routes/a ... rvice-2024
raylee67 wrote:dcajet wrote:(Not sure if this has been discussed before)
According to ATW, Air Malta will receive 2 A321XLRs in 2024 and plans to begin long haul services from the island to India and New York.
https://atwonline.com/airports-routes/a ... rvice-2024
India is going to be tough.
But trans-Atlantic should be quite viable, to NYC, BOS, YYZ etc. to capture the tourist traffic.
airbazar wrote:It's not such a bad idea, if they make it that far. Between North Africa, Greece, Italy including Sicily and Sardena, there's a lot of connecting traffic potential from NYC, especially as a seasonal Summer route. I could see them operate to NYC in the Summer and India in the Winter, hence only 2 aircraft.
Draken21fx wrote:airbazar wrote:Air Malta is part of Star Alliance so they could have a bit of connecting traffic to central Europe as well.
LX2990 wrote:Draken21fx wrote:airbazar wrote:Air Malta is part of Star Alliance so they could have a bit of connecting traffic to central Europe as well.
No, Air Malta isn't a member of Star Alliance. They have some codeshares with LH, LX, etc and you can earn miles for the miles and more programm.
dtw2hyd wrote:raylee67 wrote:dcajet wrote:(Not sure if this has been discussed before)
According to ATW, Air Malta will receive 2 A321XLRs in 2024 and plans to begin long haul services from the island to India and New York.
https://atwonline.com/airports-routes/a ... rvice-2024
India is going to be tough.
But trans-Atlantic should be quite viable, to NYC, BOS, YYZ etc. to capture the tourist traffic.
DEL-MLA - 3165nm no large bodies of water.
MLA-JFK - 3997nm mostly over the Atlantic Ocean.
XLR published range - 4700nm.
Assuming MLA is not an expensive, congested super hub compared to western European super hubs, the DEL-JFK route should be financially viable and competitive.
qm001 wrote:Might make sense for them to add a daily JNB... capitalise on some of the Southern Europe - Africa traffic, as well as the JFK traffic.
Polot wrote:Waterbomber2 wrote:I doubt that Air Malta will survive that long though, at least not in its current form.
They'll probably be absorbed by then, their balance sheet is basically insolvent.
Agreed, especially with the Maltese/ Ryanair Malta Air starting next year.
raylee67 wrote:dtw2hyd wrote:raylee67 wrote:
India is going to be tough.
But trans-Atlantic should be quite viable, to NYC, BOS, YYZ etc. to capture the tourist traffic.
DEL-MLA - 3165nm no large bodies of water.
MLA-JFK - 3997nm mostly over the Atlantic Ocean.
XLR published range - 4700nm.
Assuming MLA is not an expensive, congested super hub compared to western European super hubs, the DEL-JFK route should be financially viable and competitive.
No, I mean from the business perspective, not from technical perspective. DEL-MLA is definitely viable for the XLR technically. There are no oceans between MLA and DEL, but there are DXB, DOH and AUH between MLA and DEL.
Draken21fx wrote:airbazar wrote:It's not such a bad idea, if they make it that far. Between North Africa, Greece, Italy including Sicily and Sardena, there's a lot of connecting traffic potential from NYC, especially as a seasonal Summer route. I could see them operate to NYC in the Summer and India in the Winter, hence only 2 aircraft.
Air Malta does not fly to Greece nor it will ever fly anymore as both Thessaloniki and Athens are served by Ryanair and in all likelihood they will not be competing with them in the mid-term.
dtw2hyd wrote:raylee67 wrote:dtw2hyd wrote:
DEL-MLA - 3165nm no large bodies of water.
MLA-JFK - 3997nm mostly over the Atlantic Ocean.
XLR published range - 4700nm.
Assuming MLA is not an expensive, congested super hub compared to western European super hubs, the DEL-JFK route should be financially viable and competitive.
No, I mean from the business perspective, not from technical perspective. DEL-MLA is definitely viable for the XLR technically. There are no oceans between MLA and DEL, but there are DXB, DOH and AUH between MLA and DEL.
Air Malta trip cost with two NB legs would be far less than EK/EY/QR two WB legs (or one NB + one WB legs for EY/QR).
As long MLA airport fees for NBs are cheaper than DXB/AUH/DOH WB/NB fees, I don't see why it wouldn't be viable. Sure initially volume will be less, but as it gets all XLRs it can build a decent network. I doubt ME3 can beat them on cost.
As long as Air Malta can serve inflight Indian food and don't treat Indian PP holders like crap during IRROPS like Air France, I see potential. Malta being an Island has an advantage, transit visa jumpers cannot disappear like in mainland Europe. Not sure how many did from Paris, but seems to give Air France and French immigration nightmares.
dtw2hyd wrote:
Air Malta trip cost with two NB legs would be far less than EK/EY/QR two WB legs (or one NB + one WB legs for EY/QR).
As long MLA airport fees for NBs are cheaper than DXB/AUH/DOH WB/NB fees, I don't see why it wouldn't be viable. Sure initially volume will be less, but as it gets all XLRs it can build a decent network. I doubt ME3 can beat them on cost.
As long as Air Malta can serve inflight Indian food and don't treat Indian PP holders like crap during IRROPS like Air France, I see potential. Malta being an Island has an advantage, transit visa jumpers cannot disappear like in mainland Europe. Not sure how many did from Paris, but seems to give Air France and French immigration nightmares.
raylee67 wrote:I think Air Malta is going to target North American tourists to Malta, not transit passengers. By just having 2 XLRs, they are not able to serve even 1 daily NYC and 1 daily DEL together. The schedule would most likely be 2 to 3 times a week to several North American gateways. The airline is fully owned by the government and has an implicit mandate to "benefit" the local economy on top of its objective as a pure business. By bringing in premium paying tourists, it would help Malta much more than trying to compete with ME3 and TK for India bound passengers. Similarly, their flights to India will target Indian tourists into Malta, hence again probably 1 or 2 weekly to DEL only, may be BOM too. And the schedule of those flights will not be timed to connect with each other.
Polot wrote:Waterbomber2 wrote:I doubt that Air Malta will survive that long though, at least not in its current form.
They'll probably be absorbed by then, their balance sheet is basically insolvent.
Agreed, especially with the Maltese/ Ryanair Malta Air starting next year.