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Sun Country Enters Canada With MSP-YVR

Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:12 am

https://mobile.twitter.com/SunCountryAi ... 0400050182

Announced earlier today, Sun Country will enter Canada for the first time with MSP-YVR.

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Re: Sun Country Enters Canada With MSP-YVR

Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:26 am

I knew they would add either YVR or YYC. I'm sure F9 will add YVR too in the near future from DEN.
 
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Re: Sun Country Enters Canada With MSP-YVR

Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:56 am

Waiting for them to start YQT - the closest connection between the two currently has to detour in Winnipeg. Hopefully a step in the right direction.
 
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Re: Sun Country Enters Canada With MSP-YVR

Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:01 am

Cruise ship feeder flights most likely, no?
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Re: Sun Country Enters Canada With MSP-YVR

Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:02 am

YYZORD wrote:
I knew they would add either YVR or YYC. I'm sure F9 will add YVR too in the near future from DEN.


No F9 to YYZ? I get the POS is Cdn, the transborder customs fees, YYZ slots, etc etc but the lack of any US airline aside from the US3 at YYZ has and continues to be a vague surprise since moving here. A place of ~7million people and not a one of them (B6, F9, AS, SY, etc) can make money here? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I hope SY succeeds at YVR and that the flights are well-timed for MSP connections. From some of the smaller southeast markets that SY serves, getting to YVR can be a pain right now.
 
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Re: Sun Country Enters Canada With MSP-YVR

Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:08 am

alo2yyz wrote:
YYZORD wrote:
I knew they would add either YVR or YYC. I'm sure F9 will add YVR too in the near future from DEN.


No F9 to YYZ? I get the POS is Cdn, the transborder customs fees, YYZ slots, etc etc but the lack of any US airline aside from the US3 at YYZ has and continues to be a vague surprise since moving here. A place of ~7million people and not a one of them (B6, F9, AS, SY, etc) can make money here? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I hope SY succeeds at YVR and that the flights are well-timed for MSP connections. From some of the smaller southeast markets that SY serves, getting to YVR can be a pain right now.


While I’m surprised that a 2nd ULCC is dipping its toe into transborder, I’m not surprised they picked YVR over YYZ. YVR + Alaska cruise sounds up Sun Country’s alley.
 
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Re: Sun Country Enters Canada With MSP-YVR

Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:28 am

The taxes to Canada can add up fast. When I worked for an airline I traveled free, but had to pay departure taxes. It was more expensive to come back from YUL and YYZ than it was parts of Asia, Europe, and the Caribbean! YVR wasn't as bad I recall, but still more than Mexico and others. I never understood why, does this help pay for US Customs pre-clearance or something?
 
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Re: Sun Country Enters Canada With MSP-YVR

Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:00 am

Chasensfo wrote:
The taxes to Canada can add up fast. When I worked for an airline I traveled free, but had to pay departure taxes. It was more expensive to come back from YUL and YYZ than it was parts of Asia, Europe, and the Caribbean! YVR wasn't as bad I recall, but still more than Mexico and others. I never understood why, does this help pay for US Customs pre-clearance or something?


Canadian tax are only charged for departure; US tax are charged for both departure and arrival, so the return leg from Canada will always have more tax. If you worked for an airline I'm surprised you haven't know this already...

The tax from YVR is less probably because airport improvement fee at YVR is about CAD $10 cheaper.

As a US citizen, the tax going further north into Canada is probably much more because YVR, YYZ, YUL (and everywhere within 225mi from the US) is exempt from international departure/arrival tax charged by the US, which amount to USD $37.20 round-trip. Canadian citizen do not have this exemption.

Now it's really unfair to say Canada charge high tax, because 55-70% of the tax are actually from the US...
 
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Re: Sun Country Enters Canada With MSP-YVR

Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:08 am

nname wrote:
Chasensfo wrote:
As a US citizen, the tax going further north into Canada is probably much more because YVR, YYZ, YUL (and everywhere within 225mi from the US) is exempt from international departure/arrival tax charged by the US, which amount to USD $37.20 round-trip. Canadian citizen do not have this exemption.


In IATA tariff jargon I believe that is called the Buffer Zone
 
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Re: Sun Country Enters Canada With MSP-YVR

Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:16 am

Will they be offering connections or is it purely for O&D?
 
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Re: Sun Country Enters Canada With MSP-YVR

Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:13 pm

Where did the earlier Sun Country - MSP-Vancouver thread go?
 
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Re: Sun Country Enters Canada With MSP-YVR

Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:13 pm

Interesting, most of us here in YVR have absolutely no clue as to Sun Country. I guess most demand is MSP-based unless there's some intense marketing to create some brand awareness here in Vancouver.
 
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Re: Sun Country Enters Canada With MSP-YVR

Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:39 pm

ACCS300 wrote:
Interesting, most of us here in YVR have absolutely no clue as to Sun Country. I guess most demand is MSP-based unless there's some intense marketing to create some brand awareness here in Vancouver.

They only have 30 or so aircraft so most of the rest of the world isn't familiar with them either. With less than daily service the odds of actually seeing one of their planes is slim.
 
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Re: Sun Country Enters Canada With MSP-YVR

Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:33 pm

Magnolia wrote:
Waiting for them to start YQT - the closest connection between the two currently has to detour in Winnipeg. Hopefully a step in the right direction.


No way they add YQT. SY is mostly US point of sale. YVR has cruise ship traffic and decent O&D on its own. Not to mention SY flies 737s which is a lot of plane for a route like that.

YQT needs the DL/WS JV to go into effect to have any hope. At best, you'll see a WS Q400 run this flight.
 
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Re: Sun Country Enters Canada With MSP-YVR

Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:20 am

Direct competition to DL. They inherited it from NW who for many years, always operated it without any competition.

In summer this route YVR-MSP is indeed heavily US cruise ship passengers, from either MSP or onwards connections around the Midwest region.
 
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Re: Sun Country Enters Canada With MSP-YVR

Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:33 am

With a mere Wed and Sat schedule, I question how much can possibly be cruise bound. Contrast that with SY's daily Anchorage summer service, which tells you something about the substantial pull for the MSP hunting/fishing crowd.

I think this is nothing more than the long history of SY undercutting tiny amounts of NW/DL's lucrative near-monopoly routes from MSP.
I'd like to see SY make a stab at YVR for prime winter ski season (Whistler); I wouldn't be surprised if it could equal summer profitability.
 
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Re: Sun Country Enters Canada With MSP-YVR

Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:18 pm

klakzky123 wrote:
Magnolia wrote:
Waiting for them to start YQT - the closest connection between the two currently has to detour in Winnipeg. Hopefully a step in the right direction.


No way they add YQT. SY is mostly US point of sale. YVR has cruise ship traffic and decent O&D on its own. Not to mention SY flies 737s which is a lot of plane for a route like that.

YQT needs the DL/WS JV to go into effect to have any hope. At best, you'll see a WS Q400 run this flight.


Agreed. A 737 is MUCH too big for this route. At one point, there was discussion on this website that Bearskin Airways would add YQT-MSP, so people in YQT who didn't want to drive to MSP would be able to fly there, but that route never materialized.
 
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Re: Sun Country Enters Canada With MSP-YVR

Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:12 pm

Not scheduled service to Canada .....but Sun Country did a regular tech stop a few years ago in Gander YQX on their route from MSP to London.
 
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Re: Sun Country Enters Canada With MSP-YVR

Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:32 pm

Saturday i traditionally the busy day for cruise ship arrivals & departures in Vancouver. So Saturday makes sense in that regard, Wednesday on the other hand?
 
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Re: Sun Country Enters Canada With MSP-YVR

Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:06 pm

ghYHZ wrote:
Not scheduled service to Canada .....but Sun Country did a regular tech stop a few years ago in Gander YQX on their route from MSP to London.


They operate casino charters to YEG and YQT too.
 
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Re: Sun Country Enters Canada With MSP-YVR

Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:32 pm

I'm still waiting for an SY FA to bring me my cheeseburger.
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Re: Sun Country Enters Canada With MSP-YVR

Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:10 pm

Good for Sun Country. Nice to see them expanding.
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Re: Sun Country Enters Canada With MSP-YVR

Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:30 pm

WA707atMSP wrote:
klakzky123 wrote:
Magnolia wrote:
Waiting for them to start YQT - the closest connection between the two currently has to detour in Winnipeg. Hopefully a step in the right direction.


No way they add YQT. SY is mostly US point of sale. YVR has cruise ship traffic and decent O&D on its own. Not to mention SY flies 737s which is a lot of plane for a route like that.

YQT needs the DL/WS JV to go into effect to have any hope. At best, you'll see a WS Q400 run this flight.


Agreed. A 737 is MUCH too big for this route. At one point, there was discussion on this website that Bearskin Airways would add YQT-MSP, so people in YQT who didn't want to drive to MSP would be able to fly there, but that route never materialized.


What TQT really needs is for WS Link to expand eastward and return YQT-MSP to its former Saab 340 glory!
 
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Re: Sun Country Enters Canada With MSP-YVR

Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:32 pm

YYZORD wrote:
I knew they would add either YVR or YYC. I'm sure F9 will add YVR too in the near future from DEN.


more likely that F9 would reinstate their BLI/Vancouver South - DEN/Denver flight
 
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Re: Sun Country Enters Canada With MSP-YVR

Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:41 pm

Canuck600 wrote:
Saturday i traditionally the busy day for cruise ship arrivals & departures in Vancouver. So Saturday makes sense in that regard, Wednesday on the other hand?


There are some heavier days on Wednesday's in Vancouver for the upcoming 2020 cruise ship season. Sunday and Monday are always high volume as well.

http://claalaska.com/wp-content/uploads ... N-2020.pdf

Where Seattle is primarily Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

http://claalaska.com/wp-content/uploads ... A-2020.pdf
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Re: Sun Country Enters Canada With MSP-YVR

Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:49 pm

You don't arrive for a cruise the day it departs, you arrive the day before. So a flight arriving on Saturday is good for all the Sunday cruise departures.
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Re: Sun Country Enters Canada With MSP-YVR

Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:48 am

stl07 wrote:
You don't arrive for a cruise the day it departs, you arrive the day before. So a flight arriving on Saturday is good for all the Sunday cruise departures.


Unfortunately, your post should say "you SHOULDN'T arrive for a cruise the day it departs".

Far too many people try booking first of the morning flights on the day their cruise sails, then if there is bad weather or a mechanical delay they miss their cruise....and they inevitably blame the airline for it.

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