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Qantas Choose A35K for Project Sunrise

Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:28 pm

Now is the time for a new thread wouldn’t you say?

As quoted below

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media-releases/qantas-update-on-project-sunrise/

•Airbus A350 selected as preferred aircraft (no order placed)
•Deadline for confirming delivery slots extended by one month
•Regulatory support for ultra long haul routes, pending formal application
•Discussions with pilots ongoing


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Re: Qantas Choose A351 for Project Sunrise

Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:30 pm

Oh wow. Congratulations to Airbus.
 
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Re: Qantas Choose A351 for Project Sunrise

Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:31 pm

Oh wow!
 
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Re: Qantas Choose A351 for Project Sunrise

Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:32 pm

Any insight into the reason for decision
 
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Re: Qantas Choose A351 for Project Sunrise

Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:33 pm

"Airbus will add an additional fuel tank and slightly increase the maximum takeoff weight to deliver the performance required for Sunrise routes."

Does this mean an even further increase from 319t? (321-322t?)
 
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Re: Qantas Choose A351 for Project Sunrise

Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:35 pm

LDRA wrote:
Any insight into the reason for decision


778 might not even be going ahead and the A350 lays a foundation for the next 30-40 years.

It was a no-brainer.
 
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Re: Qantas Choose A351 for Project Sunrise

Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:37 pm

Awesome!
 
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Re: Qantas Choose A351 for Project Sunrise

Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:37 pm

Expected. The versatility of the A350 beat out the raw performance of the 778. Plus with Ultrafan on the horizon the A350 will close this very narrow performance gap. Huge order for Airbus, this gives them the inside track at replacing the 747 and A380 fleets with the A35ks, giving Qantas a very efficient fleet of 787s and A350s.
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Re: Qantas Choose A351 for Project Sunrise

Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:38 pm

This should be the nail in the coffin for the 777-8.
 
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Re: Qantas Choose A351 for Project Sunrise

Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:38 pm

Whether it goes ahead is still not guaranteed but it does make the process easier. Rather than having to work with two manufacturers, it is now only Airbus so the management is less complicated. It would appear pricing is now locked in so that is also no longer a discussion point. Obviously the main area that does need to be closed out is the pilot deal which still appears to be a fair way from settlement.
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Re: Qantas Choose A351 for Project Sunrise

Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:39 pm

Massive news for Airbus, I honestly expected the 787-9.
 
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Re: Qantas Choose A351 for Project Sunrise

Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:40 pm

Great news!! Let’s hope this will eventually lead to more “regular” A350’s in the fleet.
 
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Re: Qantas Choose A351 for Project Sunrise

Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:41 pm

SEU wrote:
Massive news for Airbus, I honestly expected the 787-9.

Why??? Qantas explicitly said they were only looking at either the A35K or 778.
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Re: Qantas Choose A351 for Project Sunrise

Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:43 pm

Fantastic news, very pleased for both Airbus and Qantas. Normally at this point I'd say something along the lines of "can't wait to fly on one" but as far as project sunrise flights go, I'd really rather not.

Still, in the coming years, I expect Qantas to order many more A350-1000s beyond Project Sunrise. I have to say that I did at least initially think that the 777-8 would be the winner here - very much a 'must win' order for the 777x program. The plane was developed for ULH missions, so if there's ever a RFP it needed to win, it was this. Fantastic year for the A350 program overall.
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Re: Qantas Choose A35K for Project Sunrise

Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:44 pm

Damn, was really pulling for the 777. Boy has 2019 been a dark year for Boeing.
 
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Re: Qantas Choose A35K for Project Sunrise

Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:45 pm

Don’t forget, Qantas was a leading airline on the development team on the 777 Series and they went no where with that...
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Re: Qantas Choose A35K for Project Sunrise

Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:47 pm

Shame the 778 isnt getting more love but the a350 is a great plane! Good choice I feel.
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Re: Qantas Choose A351 for Project Sunrise

Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:48 pm

zkojq wrote:
Fantastic news, very pleased for both Airbus and Qantas. Normally at this point I'd say something along the lines of "can't wait to fly on one" but as far as project sunrise flights go, I'd really rather not.

Still, in the coming years, I expect Qantas to order many more A350-1000s beyond Project Sunrise. I have to say that I did at least initially think that the 777-8 would be the winner here - very much a 'must win' order for the 777x program. The plane was developed for ULH missions, so if there's ever a RFP it needed to win, it was this. Fantastic year for the A350 program overall.

Same here, and maybe a few 359s to replace 787s on longer missions which can in turn replace A330s.

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Re: Qantas Choose A351 for Project Sunrise

Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:48 pm

AMollenhauer9 wrote:
This should be the nail in the coffin for the 777-8.


777-8 for Qantas would have been a few frames only. More important is what the 3 ME will do. The next point will be that the 777-9 is unlikely to be a choice for Qantas either.
 
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Re: Qantas Choose A35K for Project Sunrise

Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:49 pm

This thread is so salty already. The 351 looks great in that livery.
 
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Re: Qantas Choose A35K for Project Sunrise

Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:49 pm

Congratulations to Airbus for winning the selection. We will wait for the order as well.

I wonder at the end of the day Qantas wanted the A35K for the flexibility to use on shorter routes or they didn't need the cargo abilities of the 778?
 
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Re: Qantas Choose A35K for Project Sunrise

Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:56 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
Damn, was really pulling for the 777. Boy has 2019 been a dark year for Boeing.

Yeah same. Even though the A350 really seems like the best choice, I was hoping for some bigger planes in the future of the QF fleet.
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Re: Qantas Choose A35K for Project Sunrise

Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:59 pm

I find the quote down at the bottom of the press release interesting. Qantas needs extra time to negotiations for the pilot contacts and I'm assuming Flight Attendants would be in the negotiations as well.
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Re: Qantas Choose A35K for Project Sunrise

Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:00 pm

Congratulations to Airbus and a very much expected result.

With the difficulties Airbus and Boeing have had with new models and the engines that power them it is not surprising that QF would choose a variant of an aircraft and engine that is already in service. Now we have an airframe the difficult negotiations need to be finalised with CASA and the Unions in terms of staffing and permissions.

The A350 being a new aircraft it will also be very interesting to see how crew negotiations go. I would have thought that 4 months would be a relatively short amount of time to work through the issues that would need to be worked through with the pilots in terms of fatigue management, duty hours etc.
 
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Re: Qantas Choose A35K for Project Sunrise

Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:03 pm

Let's stick with the existing thread which has been updated to reflect A350-1000 preference.

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