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MDGLongBeach wrote:Just for clarity: Delta is still running 1x a day LGB-SLC via SKW. So I'm assuming we're all referencing the return of mainline DAL A319 SLC-LGB? (and the once-rumored ATL service)?
LAXintl wrote:
Beginning Nov. 1, Southwest will offer round-trip, nonstop flights between Long Beach and Phoenix three times a day, and between Long Beach and Austin once a day, the airline said in a statement.
https://www.presstelegram.com/2020/05/2 ... n-phoenix/
OzarkD9S wrote:LAXintl wrote:
Beginning Nov. 1, Southwest will offer round-trip, nonstop flights between Long Beach and Phoenix three times a day, and between Long Beach and Austin once a day, the airline said in a statement.
https://www.presstelegram.com/2020/05/2 ... n-phoenix/
Confirms what I've been saying, WN is more of an LGB type carrier then B6 is.
tphuang wrote:OzarkD9S wrote:LAXintl wrote:
Beginning Nov. 1, Southwest will offer round-trip, nonstop flights between Long Beach and Phoenix three times a day, and between Long Beach and Austin once a day, the airline said in a statement.
https://www.presstelegram.com/2020/05/2 ... n-phoenix/
Confirms what I've been saying, WN is more of an LGB type carrier then B6 is.
Right, adding flights to LGB and taking away flights from LAX is the correct move. Hilarious stuff going on here. LGB is far and away the lowest yielding station for WN in LA Basin.
UPlog wrote:Good to hear.
Will nicely compliment their existing options out of other LA airports giving consumers more choice.
Think they will give AA a good run to PHX. Not sure how committed AA is in the market.
CaptainObvious1 wrote:
Where does it say that they are taking away flights from LAX?
tphuang wrote:
Right, adding flights to LGB and taking away flights from LAX is the correct move. Hilarious stuff going on here. LGB is far and away the lowest yielding station for WN in LA Basin.
OzarkD9S wrote:tphuang wrote:
Right, adding flights to LGB and taking away flights from LAX is the correct move. Hilarious stuff going on here. LGB is far and away the lowest yielding station for WN in LA Basin.
Laugh if you must but this move alone opens up far more of the US market to LGB than B6 could ever hope to offer. And if you haven't noticed, the world has changed since the last meaningful yield data was compiled. Now, if you were concerned about social distancing going forward, crowded indoor LAX vs. open air LGB, not to mention less crowding to begin with. LGB's potential is growing with this development and I for one will see how it turns out in the longer term. I may be wrong, or not.
OzarkD9S wrote:
Laugh if you must but this move alone opens up far more of the US market to LGB than B6 could ever hope to offer. And if you haven't noticed, the world has changed since the last meaningful yield data was compiled. Now, if you were concerned about social distancing going forward, crowded indoor LAX vs. open air LGB, not to mention less crowding to begin with. LGB's potential is growing with this development and I for one will see how it turns out in the longer term. I may be wrong, or not.
tphuang wrote:CaptainObvious1 wrote:
Where does it say that they are taking away flights from LAX?
you can check southwest network thread. Apparently, cut LAX to ATL/PDX and down to 20 destinations.
My guess is AA and DL will be out of LGB for a while and AA probably permanently. DL may return with SLC next year.
CaptainObvious1 wrote:tphuang wrote:CaptainObvious1 wrote:
Where does it say that they are taking away flights from LAX?
you can check southwest network thread. Apparently, cut LAX to ATL/PDX and down to 20 destinations.
My guess is AA and DL will be out of LGB for a while and AA probably permanently. DL may return with SLC next year.
So you have no proof you can provide directly.
This is quite common of most of your posts pushing others to look up confirmation of items you say, and providing zero evidence of the so called "facts" you post.
SurfandSnow wrote:LGB-AUS to make life even more difficult for B6 at this airport.
nine4nine wrote:B6 should be bailing from there soon hopefully and putting their eggs in the LAX basket. Wouldn’t it be great if they bought a subfleet of non-hushkitted 727’s and based them at LGB for a year or two before pulling the final plug?
SurfandSnow wrote:LGB-AUS to make life even more difficult for B6 at this airport.
LAXBUR wrote:
They’ll choose Long Beach for the same reasons as before, low fares and convenience. And that wasn’t enough for JetBlue to be healthy.
tphuang wrote:
This is definitely a new one. LAX is going to lose passengers to LGB. We will find out soon enough what demand out of LGB looks like when the overall national demand is down 25 to 30%.
OzarkD9S wrote:tphuang wrote:
This is definitely a new one. LAX is going to lose passengers to LGB. We will find out soon enough what demand out of LGB looks like when the overall national demand is down 25 to 30%.
Yes, we shall. I'm thinking positive on WN at LGB, long term. WN ain't B6.
CobaltScar wrote:
LAX for LGB is a great trade off for B6. They'd be fools to stay there while opportunities open at premier airports.
tphuang wrote:B6 is no longer the airline it was when it first started flying at LGB. It was looking to serve secondary airport back then. Now, it's basically behaving more like legacy carrier in the business it's chasing. Given all that has happened, LGB simply isn't the right airport for them anymore. They can continue to go wild on secondary airports like HPN/PVD/BDL in northeast, but really nowhere in the country. Going forward, it's more important for them to attract premium west coast passengers at LAX/SFO by carrying them to the east coast and to Europe via mint. Having 1 major operation in LAX vs split operation also gives them more feed. They will leave and not because of WN.
LGB, with its location between LAX and SNA, also has the handicap of slot limitations, which makes it undesirable to attract business passengers. It has historically really never worked for anyone. Even AS couldn't make SEA work. It doesn't make sense to me for WN to add to LGB while major stations like LAX/SAN/OAK are all down quite a bit of capacity from last year.
HNLSLCPDX wrote:I apologize if that has been answered, but do part 135 flights fall under the slot restrictions at LGB? And just out of curiosity, what about for SNA?
wnflyguy wrote:Hearing from JetBlue FA friend that the hammer has fallen.
LGB last day of operations will be November 7 2020.
It's could just be the crew base but she made it sound as the entire operation is closing down and focusing on LAX.
Flyguy
SWADawg wrote:
Did B6 acquire more gates at LAX? I’m just trying to figure out how B6 grows or even replaces what they had at LGB with LAX. Right now WN can’t even get access to more real estate at LAX until T1E is completed in the next few years. I’m just not sure what B6’s game plan is for LAX going forward.
tphuang wrote:B6 is no longer the airline it was when it first started flying at LGB. It was looking to serve secondary airport back then. Now, it's basically behaving more like legacy carrier in the business it's chasing. Given all that has happened, LGB simply isn't the right airport for them anymore.
tphuang wrote:LGB, with its location between LAX and SNA, also has the handicap of slot limitations, which makes it undesirable to attract business passengers. It has historically really never worked for anyone.
SWADawg wrote:wnflyguy wrote:Hearing from JetBlue FA friend that the hammer has fallen.
LGB last day of operations will be November 7 2020.
It's could just be the crew base but she made it sound as the entire operation is closing down and focusing on LAX.
Flyguy
Did B6 acquire more gates at LAX? I’m just trying to figure out how B6 grows or even replaces what they had at LGB with LAX. Right now WN can’t even get access to more real estate at LAX until T1E is completed in the next few years. I’m just not sure what B6’s game plan is for LAX going forward.
SWADawg wrote:wnflyguy wrote:Hearing from JetBlue FA friend that the hammer has fallen.
LGB last day of operations will be November 7 2020.
It's could just be the crew base but she made it sound as the entire operation is closing down and focusing on LAX.
Flyguy
Did B6 acquire more gates at LAX? I’m just trying to figure out how B6 grows or even replaces what they had at LGB with LAX. Right now WN can’t even get access to more real estate at LAX until T1E is completed in the next few years. I’m just not sure what B6’s game plan is for LAX going forward.
HNLSLCPDX wrote:If B6 does indeed drastically decrease or all together pull out of LGB I wonder if G4 could move its operation from LAX to LGB. LGB would be closer to Disneyland, Knotts, and all the beach attractions Huntington and south. They could really turn Southern California and that area a destination and true hub for their network. Also of course using LGB would be a lot easier to use than LAX for passengers. I just don’t know how a schedule like G4 has would work with the LGB slot restrictions. Maybe even an airline like Breeze could make LGB work from places such as AZA, PVU, BOI, IDA, FTW, BLI, etc.
MDGLongBeach wrote:Little update: DAL will be returning on schedule to LGB on August 1 with 3x a day E175 service to SLC. Marking Sept 1, DAL will increase service to 5x a day, 3 mainline flights twice operated by a319 and one A221. rest e175. Bookings in Oct showing same frequency but replacing 738 with a221 on the route. Seems pretty ambitious, opinions?
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:I still think b6 should keep long beach -slc they have a solid loyal group of followers on the route and could allow connection to BOS,JFK,FLL and MCO. Maybe tough if the whole crew base is gone.
wnflyguy wrote:Hearing from JetBlue FA friend that the hammer has fallen.
LGB last day of operations will be November 7 2020.
It's could just be the crew base but she made it sound as the entire operation is closing down and focusing on LAX.
Flyguy
MDGLongBeach wrote:Little update: DAL will be returning on schedule to LGB on August 1 with 3x a day E175 service to SLC. Marking Sept 1, DAL will increase service to 5x a day, 3 mainline flights twice operated by a319 and one A221. rest e175. Bookings in Oct showing same frequency but replacing 738 with a221 on the route. Seems pretty ambitious, opinions?
tphuang wrote:CaptainObvious1 wrote:tphuang wrote:you can check southwest network thread. Apparently, cut LAX to ATL/PDX and down to 20 destinations.
My guess is AA and DL will be out of LGB for a while and AA probably permanently. DL may return with SLC next year.
So you have no proof you can provide directly.
This is quite common of most of your posts pushing others to look up confirmation of items you say, and providing zero evidence of the so called "facts" you post.
they are normally at close to 130 flights at LAX and they've already scaled it down to under 100 flights according to Southwest thread. They can ATL/PDX from LAX. How is that not cutting flights from LAX and adding to LGB?
check this page. All discussion on cutting stuff at LAX.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1437991&start=250SurfandSnow wrote:LGB-AUS to make life even more difficult for B6 at this airport.
B6 will be cutting more and it has nothing to do with WN.
tphuang wrote:B6 is no longer the airline it was when it first started flying at LGB. It was looking to serve secondary airport back then. Now, it's basically behaving more like legacy carrier in the business it's chasing. Given all that has happened, LGB simply isn't the right airport for them anymore. They can continue to go wild on secondary airports like HPN/PVD/BDL in northeast, but really nowhere in the country. Going forward, it's more important for them to attract premium west coast passengers at LAX/SFO by carrying them to the east coast and to Europe via mint. Having 1 major operation in LAX vs split operation also gives them more feed. They will leave and not because of WN.
LGB, with its location between LAX and SNA, also has the handicap of slot limitations, which makes it undesirable to attract business passengers. It has historically really never worked for anyone. Even AS couldn't make SEA work. It doesn't make sense to me for WN to add to LGB while major stations like LAX/SAN/OAK are all down quite a bit of capacity from last year.
wnflyguy wrote:Well with Delta Officially Dropping LGB-LAS.
Talk around LGB is they are returning 7 daily flights. Makes since with the current fleet reductions and a much smaller Delta.
I can see WN using these unused slots every 180 days out to add LGB-LAS 7 days a week.
And probably bring back a daily LGB-DEN.
Also WN was said to be taking over gates 1-4 at LGB.
Now if DL officially returns 7 slots and they go out for reallocation I don't see WN being the only beneficiary.
I definitely see Spirit adding it's name into the hat.
Like WN in the past Spirt probably would be awarded 4 And WN 3.
In addition next years noise numbers will be drastically down allowing LGB to add additional 3 supplemental slots for summer 2021.
Flyguy
HNLSLCPDX wrote:If B6 does indeed drastically decrease or all together pull out of LGB I wonder if G4 could move its operation from LAX to LGB. LGB would be closer to Disneyland, Knotts, and all the beach attractions Huntington and south. They could really turn Southern California and that area a destination and true hub for their network. Also of course using LGB would be a lot easier to use than LAX for passengers. I just don’t know how a schedule like G4 has would work with the LGB slot restrictions. Maybe even an airline like Breeze could make LGB work from places such as AZA, PVU, BOI, IDA, FTW, BLI, etc.
On a side note, I just do not see WN building up LGB as many of you say.