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BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:24 pm

Starting March 29, they plan to deploy the A350 to Washington, Philadelphia and Austin and on 1 August to Boston. All schedules are subject to change.

Probably replacing their 744s which are gradually leaving their fleet.

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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:01 pm

This is devastating news to Washington where the BA 747's have been flying for nearly 50 years. Not happy about this and it is a degradation in service to boring smaller twin aircraft with no dome. Boring. Guess I will fly Lufthansa now.
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:12 pm

Same here in BOS, the Queen will be missed..
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:27 pm

N93109 wrote:
This is devastating news to Washington where the BA 747's have been flying for nearly 50 years. Not happy about this and it is a degradation in service to boring smaller twin aircraft with no dome. Boring. Guess I will fly Lufthansa now.


You honestly think the 747 has been flying since the 1960s?
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:29 pm

N93109 wrote:
This is devastating news to Washington where the BA 747's have been flying for nearly 50 years. Not happy about this and it is a degradation in service to boring smaller twin aircraft with no dome. Boring. Guess I will fly Lufthansa now.



Over reaction of the year right here...
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:39 pm

AUS has come a long way since a start with a 5 weekly 788 now they get the 350.
As for BOS it will be sad to see the 744’s go, but we are going to see more 350’s this year and I’m ok with that since the tendancy is 332’s and 333’s for many.
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:46 pm

Clackers wrote:
N93109 wrote:
This is devastating news to Washington where the BA 747's have been flying for nearly 50 years. Not happy about this and it is a degradation in service to boring smaller twin aircraft with no dome. Boring. Guess I will fly Lufthansa now.


You honestly think the 747 has been flying since the 1960s?


He said nearly 50 years ...... and it has been just about 46 ..... so close enough. Where did he say since the 60's ? You need to go back to math lessons LOL
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:48 pm

N93109 wrote:
This is devastating news to Washington where the BA 747's have been flying for nearly 50 years. Not happy about this and it is a degradation in service to boring smaller twin aircraft with no dome. Boring. Guess I will fly Lufthansa now.


You must have known that this would happen some day, and the day is approaching when there won't be any more B747's in regular passenger service at all.
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:58 pm

Seems like a huge waste of capability. Wouldn't a 787-10 make more sense for such short flights?
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:00 pm

N93109 wrote:
This is devastating news to Washington where the BA 747's have been flying for nearly 50 years. Not happy about this and it is a degradation in service to boring smaller twin aircraft with no dome. Boring. Guess I will fly Lufthansa now.
In what way is it devastating!?
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:06 pm

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Seems like a huge waste of capability. Wouldn't a 787-10 make more sense for such short flights?


Eventually it will. These are largely routes that can be flown with airframe each and makes scheduling a lot easier as the fleet grows quite rapidly and there's still a lot of training as well.

The 787-10s are doing similar things with DFW and ATL. While the 777s are being refitted with the Club Suite there'll be lots of equipment changes on routes for the next couple of years.

The A350 is also scheduled to operate to NRT during the Tokyo Olympics this coming summer too.
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:12 pm

Having flown hundreds of flights on 747's including in the dome, this is a big change. No First Class is also a downgrade. The lack of spaciousness on A350, 777, 787 vs. 747 is well documented. Differentiation and space are important to me rather than boring smaller twin engine tight quarters. I mostly fly in Business or First internationally and there is a massive difference between flying in the 747 vs. these other planes in the dome or in main level.
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:17 pm

N93109 wrote:
Having flown hundreds of flights on 747's including in the dome, this is a big change. No First Class is also a downgrade. The lack of spaciousness on A350, 777, 787 vs. 747 is well documented. Differentiation and space are important to me rather than boring smaller twin engine tight quarters. I mostly fly in Business or First internationally and there is a massive difference between flying in the 747 vs. these other planes in the dome or in main level.


It's only on one flight per day. BA will operate aircraft with First (I think IAD and BOS are both retaining A380 service). The Club Suite is a big step up from Club World too.
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:31 pm

N93109 wrote:
Having flown hundreds of flights on 747's including in the dome, this is a big change. No First Class is also a downgrade. The lack of spaciousness on A350, 777, 787 vs. 747 is well documented. Differentiation and space are important to me rather than boring smaller twin engine tight quarters. I mostly fly in Business or First internationally and there is a massive difference between flying in the 747 vs. these other planes in the dome or in main level.


Interesting enough, but even on their 779s, LH will not feature an F cabin. None of their 744s have it..only on the 748.
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:35 pm

Also, BOAC was delivered G-AWNA the first 747-136 on May 23, 1970.
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:37 pm

What ever happened to BA having 17 flights week to IAD?

About a year ago they announced that there would be an additional 789 flight in the late evening on IAD-LHR on M/TR/Sa in addition to the 2x daily 744 services. It seems that the route now features 1x 789 and 1x A388.
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:51 pm

It looks like BA loaded the schedule with the A350-1000 on the 10:20p flight 292 IAD - LHR (Eastbound) which was 747-400 last several years, but often 787 or 777 in off season. 216 (Eastbound) IAD to LHR is still listed as 747-400 in the next summer peak season schedule. BWI has been rotating in a lot of 777-200 lately.
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:08 pm

N93109 wrote:
This is devastating news to Washington where the BA 747's have been flying for nearly 50 years. Not happy about this and it is a degradation in service to boring smaller twin aircraft with no dome. Boring. Guess I will fly Lufthansa now.


What’s really cute is that you think someone cares that you fly “mostly business/First” and want to fly on a specific airplane. I’m sure if your revenue generation was as good as you think it is, you would buy your own 747 and trick it out to match. SMH
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:24 pm

What aircraft will/is BA use to replace the 744 on LHR-JFK?
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:28 pm

USAirALB wrote:
What ever happened to BA having 17 flights week to IAD?

About a year ago they announced that there would be an additional 789 flight in the late evening on IAD-LHR on M/TR/Sa in addition to the 2x daily 744 services. It seems that the route now features 1x 789 and 1x A388.


It was a slot sitter to accommodate the cancelled LAD route. BA used to run a 3 weekly service to IAD before I think it was the BA265/4. No need for additional frequencies with an A380 and an A350 on the route.
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:28 pm

USAirALB wrote:
What ever happened to BA having 17 flights week to IAD?

About a year ago they announced that there would be an additional 789 flight in the late evening on IAD-LHR on M/TR/Sa in addition to the 2x daily 744 services. It seems that the route now features 1x 789 and 1x A388.


As BA’s widebody fleet becomes more homogenous size-wise (763s gone, 744s leaving, 388s not around forever), I expect we’ll see more tweaking of frequencies and aircraft types. Day-of-week changes are challenging on TATL from a crew scheduling perspective but can’t be ruled out. I assume BA has a single pilot group for both 777 types and both 787 types?
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:30 pm

questions wrote:
What aircraft will/is BA use to replace the 744 on LHR-JFK?


The 77Ws are being reconfigured into an 8F/76J/40W/130Y configuration and the first one in thst configuration will be doing some JFK rotations. Most of the 747 replacements to JFK over the next few years are likely to be 77Ws.
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:31 pm

DLSANMan wrote:
N93109 wrote:
This is devastating news to Washington where the BA 747's have been flying for nearly 50 years. Not happy about this and it is a degradation in service to boring smaller twin aircraft with no dome. Boring. Guess I will fly Lufthansa now.


What’s really cute is that you think someone cares that you fly “mostly business/First” and want to fly on a specific airplane. I’m sure if your revenue generation was as good as you think it is, you would buy your own 747 and trick it out to match. SMH


Who calls it the “dome”? It’s the upper deck.

For me, the nose is the best cabin on the 747 — the only aircraft where you can fly ahead of the pilot — for its exclusivity, quietness, and lack of foot traffic. The upper deck is second.
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:33 pm

I’m surprised that BA189/8 isn’t likewise scheduled, unless that would be too much seats (that schedule doesn’t really warrant F).
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:33 pm

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What aircraft will/is BA use to replace the 744 on LHR-JFK?


The 77Ws are getting a super-hi J layout as they get the Club Suite. The F cabin is also being reduced to 8 seats. They are appearing in the schedule from October.
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:38 pm

questions wrote:
What aircraft will/is BA use to replace the 744 on LHR-JFK?


That's a tricky one! All BA 744s have 14F...so the closest capacity wise is their 773s. Their configuration on their 787-9 is only 216 with 8F...their 787-10s 256 with 8F.

Total on their A350s are 331 seats but no F cabin.

So only their A350 and B773 will be the closest replacement for their 744s. It was mentioned in another thread that BA will offer F on their A350s at some point. No clue if or when.
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:55 pm

Sooo much back biting just because someone feels nostalgic about the 747, sigh...
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:59 pm

N93109 wrote:
Having flown hundreds of flights on 747's including in the dome, this is a big change. No First Class is also a downgrade. The lack of spaciousness on A350, 777, 787 vs. 747 is well documented. Differentiation and space are important to me rather than boring smaller twin engine tight quarters. I mostly fly in Business or First internationally and there is a massive difference between flying in the 747 vs. these other planes in the dome or in main level.


Not quite, the A350 Y seats are typically wider than those on the 744's also the A350's feature the new Club World suites which are a massive upgrade from the current version featured on BA's 744, so when you're flying in Business you'll likely experience a far better hard product. Other great features of the A350 over the 744, better air, larger windows typically newer AVOD and quieter cabin, hardly a downgrade.
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:06 pm

ACCS300 wrote:
N93109 wrote:
Having flown hundreds of flights on 747's including in the dome, this is a big change. No First Class is also a downgrade. The lack of spaciousness on A350, 777, 787 vs. 747 is well documented. Differentiation and space are important to me rather than boring smaller twin engine tight quarters. I mostly fly in Business or First internationally and there is a massive difference between flying in the 747 vs. these other planes in the dome or in main level.


Not quite, the A350 Y seats are typically wider than those on the 744's also the A350's feature the new Club World suites which are a massive upgrade from the current version featured on BA's 744, so when you're flying in Business you'll likely experience a far better hard product. Other great features of the A350 over the 744, better air, larger windows typically newer AVOD and quieter cabin, hardly a downgrade.

The only real downgrade on the A350 is the wifi....
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:03 pm

TTailedTiger wrote:
Seems like a huge waste of capability. Wouldn't a 787-10 make more sense for such short flights?


The 744, 77E, 77W and 789 all have more capability than needed to reach the USA, but all of them fly there, more about capacity than range. BA's A350s aren't slated to fly too many long routes as of yet, I think NRT was announced?
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:16 pm

shamrock321 wrote:
N93109 wrote:
This is devastating news to Washington where the BA 747's have been flying for nearly 50 years. Not happy about this and it is a degradation in service to boring smaller twin aircraft with no dome. Boring. Guess I will fly Lufthansa now.


Over reaction of the year right here...


One half already mourns for the jumbo...while the other half is dancing on the designated grave of the whale. There is some irony somewhere in between.

Back on topic this is excellent news! hoping more transatlantic carriers will follow.
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:50 pm

As fun as the 747 is to observe and fly, I avoid BA’s as the business class seats aren’t competitive and they haven’t put modern seats or seat layouts into them. As a PHL-based traveler able to fly in business for work trips to Europe, I typically try to book AA’s A330s to LHR because the business seat is better. Bringing the A350-1000 with the new BA Club Suite will make me stop avoiding the BA 744s and 777s on the PHL route at least.
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:11 pm

shamrock321 wrote:
N93109 wrote:
This is devastating news to Washington where the BA 747's have been flying for nearly 50 years. Not happy about this and it is a degradation in service to boring smaller twin aircraft with no dome. Boring. Guess I will fly Lufthansa now.



Over reaction of the year right here...

This is an aviation enthusiast forum. In this context, not an overreaction at all.
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:45 pm

Will we see it in Denver anytime soon?
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:08 pm

I’m happy to see the A350 fleet growing at BA and getting into USA routes. I’m confused over BAs fleet plans in the coming years. With the 77Ws replacing the High-Js and the 350 also replacing 747s what is really the use of the 779.I love the 779 but where does it fit
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:45 pm

Opus99 wrote:
I’m happy to see the A350 fleet growing at BA and getting into USA routes. I’m confused over BAs fleet plans in the coming years. With the 77Ws replacing the High-Js and the 350 also replacing 747s what is really the use of the 779.I love the 779 but where does it fit


Well...they ordered 18 of them with a bunch of options. All BA 744s will be gone by 2024, the same year the 779s start joining the fleet.

Capacity wise the 779 matches their 744s, so the last 744s to leave the fleet will remain on the JFK rotation to be replaced by the 779.

Seems they're reducing the F cabin to 8 on the 773 and the 779.
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:11 pm

Agreed that the A350 is too much plane for short TATL sectors like BOS -LHR or PHL-LHR. The 787-10 would be a much better and efficient choice.

BA should better use the A350's to the far East or US West coast.
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Agreed that the A350 is too much plane for short TATL sectors like BOS -LHR or PHL-LHR. The 787-10 would be a much better and efficient choice.

BA should better use the A350's to the far East or US West coast.


It won’t do LAX or SFO because it doesn’t have First Class. Which always strikes me as an odd decision for an aircraft of that size & range.
 
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Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:26 pm

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This is devastating news to Washington where the BA 747's have been flying for nearly 50 years. Not happy about this and it is a degradation in service to boring smaller twin aircraft with no dome. Boring. Guess I will fly Lufthansa now.


Phew, when I read devastating, I thought 1235 children and their puppies died. Then I realized an airline changed equipment type.
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Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:54 pm

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Seems like a huge waste of capability. Wouldn't a 787-10 make more sense for such short flights?


Well the 787-10 is smaller, and they clearly want the capacity, so no it's not a waste
 
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TTailedTiger wrote:
Seems like a huge waste of capability. Wouldn't a 787-10 make more sense for such short flights?


Well the 787-10 is smaller, and they clearly want the capacity, so no it's not a waste


To be clear on the term capacity, I think you are referring to floor area to put seats on.
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ElroyJetson wrote:
Agreed that the A350 is too much plane for short TATL sectors like BOS -LHR or PHL-LHR. The 787-10 would be a much better and efficient choice.

BA should better use the A350's to the far East or US West coast.


Patience, grasshopper. Carriers with diverse fleets yet small numbers of certain sub-types are forced to make suboptimal (seat count, range, cabins config) assignments all the time. Utilization per day is important, and new plane deliveries don't come by the dozen in the first month. See how A350s and 787-10s are used after BA has its dozen -10s.
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:09 am

Interesting to see that they're knocking AUS back to 3class with this, after it having sustained scheduled F service on the 789, 77W, and 744.

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Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:12 am

ElroyJetson wrote:
Agreed that the A350 is too much plane for short TATL sectors like BOS -LHR or PHL-LHR. The 787-10 would be a much better and efficient choice.

BA should better use the A350's to the far East or US West coast.


Can you back up that it would be the 'much better' choice? A strong choice of words. The 78X is a fair amount smaller than the A35K, and it's not all about range. Like I said above, the 744, 77W, 789 and A380 all ply shorter routes. Why? Capacity matches. Given BA's choice of the 77E over the A333 you could argue that flexibility is more important to them than outright fuel efficiency.
 
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Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:29 am

Many people dont understand how BA fleet organization works. BA doesn’t necessarily watch out for range when picking where which aircraft goes because most long haul aircraft in the market can deliver all routes in its network comfortably. It’s really about payload and making sure the right aircraft is serving the right market so they can yield the most out of that certain route. For example the 747 has as much range as the 77W but it’s very USA East coast heavy because that’s the right market for it the 787-10 is going as far as Seattle a 10hr flight starting in the middle of next year, that’s not what it was built for (Though it is capable) but it’s the right plane for the payload the city gives BA.
 
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Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:24 am

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I'm pretty sure that there is a big overlap between these two groups.
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:18 am

There was a time when the B744 would have been an unthinkable waste of capability to JFK or BOS, as it was bought for range capability, much like.....the A350! And yes I know it was introduced into service on those milk runs but only for crew training, regular services were west coast and points east to asia.
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Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:57 am

when is the A350 going to replace those worn out 744's to MIA ?
 
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Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:21 am

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SQ317 wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
Seems like a huge waste of capability. Wouldn't a 787-10 make more sense for such short flights?


Well the 787-10 is smaller, and they clearly want the capacity, so no it's not a waste


To be clear on the term capacity, I think you are referring to floor area to put seats on.


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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:26 pm

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This is devastating news to Washington where the BA 747's have been flying for nearly 50 years. Not happy about this and it is a degradation in service to boring smaller twin aircraft with no dome. Boring. Guess I will fly Lufthansa now.


I am so over their B747. Their J product is so dated and the plane is showing its age. Can't wait to try their A350.

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Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos