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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:05 pm

why is this even news. Was always going to happen and no great surprise. The 747s are on the wind down as planned.
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:49 pm

ElroyJetson wrote:
Agreed that the A350 is too much plane for short TATL sectors like BOS -LHR or PHL-LHR. The 787-10 would be a much better and efficient choice.
BA should better use the A350's to the far East or US West coast.


Well, at the moment the A350s are operating TLV (~4h30m) and MAD (~2h) as well as YYZ (~7h) and DXB (~6h) so BA doesn't seem too bothered about (mis)using them on medium length sectors.
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:45 pm

GCT64 wrote:
ElroyJetson wrote:
Agreed that the A350 is too much plane for short TATL sectors like BOS -LHR or PHL-LHR. The 787-10 would be a much better and efficient choice.
BA should better use the A350's to the far East or US West coast.


Well, at the moment the A350s are operating TLV (~4h30m) and MAD (~2h) as well as YYZ (~7h) and DXB (~6h) so BA doesn't seem too bothered about (mis)using them on medium length sectors.


Two reasons: first, those are all sectors you can use with one aiframe on a daily basis so for efficiency on a small fleet it works very well until extra deliveries take place next year. Second, it helps with crew training to do a lot of quickish 2-crew sectors to be able to sign off the crews. It all makes perfect sense when you know why ;)
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:04 pm

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Sooo much back biting just because someone feels nostalgic about the 747, sigh...

I really don't understand the hostility. It makes me wonder if this forum is even for aviation enthusiasts...
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:13 pm

N93109 wrote:
This is devastating news to Washington where the BA 747's have been flying for nearly 50 years. Not happy about this and it is a degradation in service to boring smaller twin aircraft with no dome. Boring. Guess I will fly Lufthansa now.


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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:09 pm

I’m glad I got to fly in the upper deck, it’s a different experience to anything else. The short cabin, the narrow, steep stairs. Totally unique. But at BA the A350 will have a much better product in Business, comparable product in Premium Economy and comparable in Economy too. No narrow 787 seats and no entertainment boxes. That’s before the higher humidity and lower cabin atmosphere, if that makes a difference. Not to mention the much improved fuel economy which is better for fares and the environment.
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:21 pm

shamrock321 wrote:
N93109 wrote:
This is devastating news to Washington where the BA 747's have been flying for nearly 50 years. Not happy about this and it is a degradation in service to boring smaller twin aircraft with no dome. Boring. Guess I will fly Lufthansa now.



Over reaction of the year right here...


Especially from somebody whose username was a tragically doomed B747.

However, it is no joke.... it's getting harder and harder to fly on quad-jets these days, so my advice is enjoy these types while you can. In five years, it will be very difficult as BA and LH will be among the last operators of the B747s, certainly the B744 anyway.

With that, I may have to quickly schedule a trip to LHR on a VS A346 and back on a BA four-holer. I really want to try the VS A350 now scheduled from JFK but I've been resisting the urge. I'll have many years to sample those planes.
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:23 pm

Good stuff, hoping to see more Airbus products coming to the USA and Canada, will make it easier to avoid Boeing products
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:35 pm

Six of the 787-10s are due at BA in 2020, so I do wonder a bit why BOS is still getting the A350-1000. I'm sure by August, one of those new 787-10s would be available to do it.
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:38 pm

Opus99 wrote:
the 787-10 is going as far as Seattle a 10hr flight starting in the middle of next year, that’s not what it was built for (Though it is capable) but it’s the right plane for the payload the city gives BA.


Seattle is around the 9 hour flying time mark. Still short enough for BA to use an aircraft with no cabin crew bunks like the 787-10
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:44 pm

I wonder what will take over for the 744 on the ORD-LHR Route?

More A380s? or a Combo of 77Ws, A35Ks and 789s?
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:48 pm

Opus99 wrote:
Many people dont understand how BA fleet organization works. BA doesn’t necessarily watch out for range when picking where which aircraft goes because most long haul aircraft in the market can deliver all routes in its network comfortably. It’s really about payload and making sure the right aircraft is serving the right market so they can yield the most out of that certain route. For example the 747 has as much range as the 77W but it’s very USA East coast heavy because that’s the right market for it the 787-10 is going as far as Seattle a 10hr flight starting in the middle of next year, that’s not what it was built for (Though it is capable) but it’s the right plane for the payload the city gives BA.

BA surely has an interesting, diverse wide body fleet: 787-8/9/10, A350-1000, 777-200/200ER/300ER/9, 747-400, A380.

Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways#Fleet

Just like ChrisNH I'm a bit surprised to see A35K taking over BOS/JFK runs in the near future. I was expecting 78X. I suppose the preference for more cabin square footage won out.

I thought one reason 744 was given the shorter TATL routes was because it has relatively high fuel burn so it's best to keep it running on the relatively shorter routes. Add to this lots of room for premium cabins and it seems to be a good fit.

What role does BA see for 77W/779?
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:17 pm

Revelation wrote:
What role does BA see for 77W/779?


The new hi-J configuration for the 77Ws means that they'll be mostly hi-J 747 replacements going forwards (lots of JFKs, the first route announced for the new 77W config - eventually MIA, LAX, SFO etc) and the 779 will be more of a mid-J 747/current 77W replacement.

I wouldn't expect to see the A35K going to BOS long term - I think initially it's largely a function of maintaining utilisation with a small fleet, a training requirement for lots of quicker sectors/shorter trips and replacing 772s as they're taken out of service to receive the new Club Suite.
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:22 pm

BA777FO wrote:
Revelation wrote:
What role does BA see for 77W/779?


The new hi-J configuration for the 77Ws means that they'll be mostly hi-J 747 replacements going forwards (lots of JFKs, the first route announced for the new 77W config - eventually MIA, LAX, SFO etc) and the 779 will be more of a mid-J 747/current 77W replacement.

I wouldn't expect to see the A35K going to BOS long term - I think initially it's largely a function of maintaining utilisation with a small fleet, a training requirement for lots of quicker sectors/shorter trips and replacing 772s as they're taken out of service to receive the new Club Suite.

Thanks, this is just the kind of info I was looking for!
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:25 am

Revelation wrote:
Sooo much back biting just because someone feels nostalgic about the 747, sigh...


Seriously.

This is so angry, bullied adolescent airliners.net, it hurts.

"It's not "almost 50 years", it's 46 years!"

"Who calls it a dome?!?!?!?!"

Can you guys lighten the eff up and stop taking shots at each other over verbiage that doesn't matter?
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:39 am

Clackers wrote:
N93109 wrote:
This is devastating news to Washington where the BA 747's have been flying for nearly 50 years. Not happy about this and it is a degradation in service to boring smaller twin aircraft with no dome. Boring. Guess I will fly Lufthansa now.


You honestly think the 747 has been flying since the 1960s?


If I'm not mistaken, the first 747-100 entered service for BA in 1974.
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:47 am

The 747 hasn't even been around AUS for too long so not much to get sad or nosologic over. It just makes me thankful that our town got some service, albeit for just a little bit.
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Tue Dec 17, 2019 7:28 am

Anyone wanting to fly on a BA 744 can do so until 2024. Currently 34 remain down to 25 by end of next year and down to 20 by end of 2021. By 2022 they will have only 12 left and by 2024 they be all gone!

Of course you can avail yourself of brand new shiny B787-10s...A350-1000s and they are scheduled for 8 even newer and shinier B779s in 2022. :D
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Tue Dec 17, 2019 7:37 am

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If I'm not mistaken, the first 747-100 entered service for BA in 1974.

The first airframe was delivered in 1970. However operations did not start until 1971 due to pilot contract issues.

BA (and LH) were very early customers of Boeing’s finest.
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Tue Dec 17, 2019 1:51 pm

Scotron12 wrote:
Starting March 29, they plan to deploy the A350 to Washington, Philadelphia and Austin and on 1 August to Boston. All schedules are subject to change.

Probably replacing their 744s which are gradually leaving their fleet.

https://simpleflying.com/british-airway ... rbus-a350/

Damn... I am NOT looking forward to seeing the BA 744 leaving PHL -- THIS SOON!!! :hissyfit: :hissyfit:
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:00 pm

ctrabs0114 wrote:
Clackers wrote:
N93109 wrote:
This is devastating news to Washington where the BA 747's have been flying for nearly 50 years. Not happy about this and it is a degradation in service to boring smaller twin aircraft with no dome. Boring. Guess I will fly Lufthansa now.


You honestly think the 747 has been flying since the 1960s?


If I'm not mistaken, the first 747-100 entered service for BA in 1974.

You are much mistaken. they arrived in 1970 but were grounded by a pilots strike til 1974.
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:59 am

skipness1E wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
Clackers wrote:

You honestly think the 747 has been flying since the 1960s?


If I'm not mistaken, the first 747-100 entered service for BA in 1974.

You are much mistaken. they arrived in 1970 but were grounded by a pilots strike til 1974.
BA=BOAC btw


Thanks for clearing that up. When I checked the Airspotters BA historic fleet page, the earliest date I saw was 1974, so I didn't factor in BOAC.
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:49 am

skipness1E wrote:
You are much mistaken. they arrived in 1970 but were grounded by a pilots strike til 1974.
BA=BOAC btw

It wasn’t a pilot strike, as BOAC certainly operated from 1970 to 1974.

But .... there were pay issues with the aircraft on which neither side would budge. It eventually entered service with BOAC in April, 1971.
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:58 am

BA777FO wrote:
Revelation wrote:
What role does BA see for 77W/779?


The new hi-J configuration for the 77Ws means that they'll be mostly hi-J 747 replacements going forwards (lots of JFKs, the first route announced for the new 77W config - eventually MIA, LAX, SFO etc) and the 779 will be more of a mid-J 747/current 77W replacement.


I was under the impression the A350 was the slated Mid J replacement?
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:19 am

Fantastic aircraft BA’s A350. Will serve the USA well
 
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Re: BA plans to schedule A350 to USA in 2020

Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:26 pm

RexBanner wrote:
BA777FO wrote:
Revelation wrote:
What role does BA see for 77W/779?


The new hi-J configuration for the 77Ws means that they'll be mostly hi-J 747 replacements going forwards (lots of JFKs, the first route announced for the new 77W config - eventually MIA, LAX, SFO etc) and the 779 will be more of a mid-J 747/current 77W replacement.


I was under the impression the A350 was the slated Mid J replacement?


To a certain extent. In reality it's likely to take over routes like BKK, possibly EZE and BLR as has recently. That will allow some 777s to go to LGW.

First will go from a few mid-J 747 destinations (I wouldn't be surprised if DEN, ACC, NBO, maybe even CPT and a few others lose it) but not all mid-J 747 routes will lose First - MIA and LAX are prime examples.

There'll be a lot of shuffling of aircraft on routes for the next few years as the 777, then 787, get the Club Suite refit.

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