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Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:29 am

Good morning,

It was published today that Air Serbia (JU) is set to announce another round of expansion after the routes it launched this year (MAD, BCN, NCE, ZAD, RJK, HEL, KRR and CAI) all proved to be extremely successful.

JU first announced that it will be adding two aircraft to its fleet though they didn't specify which ones. Then on Friday they started loading new destinations into the system which include

Valencia
Florence
Budapest
Lviv
Kishinev
Geneva
Oslo
Rostov
Amman.


Earlier this year LO announced their own BUD-BEG flights. Initially flights were supposed to operate at night but then all of a sudden they were moved to a noon departure, I guess now we know why. On BEG-GVA they will compete with easyJet which has three weekly flights while on BEG-OSL they will compete against Norwegian.


Barcelona, which was launched with two weekly flights last year, will be upgraded to three weekly from June 2020. This December JU also resumed BEG-IST flights (3 weekly, 4 around Christmas).

Air Serbia reported its best ever October and November numbers:
https://www.exyuaviation.com/2019/11/ai ... ember.html
https://www.exyuaviation.com/2019/11/ai ... tober.html

Air Serbia was the first to respond to Adria's demise by immediately increasing BEG-LJU from 12 to 17 weekly flights in addition to boosting frequencies to Skopje and Tirana. Two markets where JP carried many transfer passengers.

Belgrade airport has also performed well this year. In the first nine months of the year the airport handled 4,751,946 passengers which is an increase of 7.9%. It is expected that BEG will have around 6.1 million in 2019.

Air Serbia fleet consists of:

A319 x9
A320 x2
Atr72 x6
B733 x3
A330 x1

Total: 21 aircraft

Source:
https://www.exyuaviation.com/2019/12/ai ... twork.html

Fun times ahead, that's for sure.
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:38 am

Always nice for a smaller airline to find its niche and be successful. I think Air Serbia is the only airline out of Etihad's group of investments that turned out successful.

Hopefully they continue to expand. Maybe in 2021 they could get another A330 and maybe start ORD or YYZ? Or perhaps look to the east and start PEK or PVG?
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:53 am

I gotta ask, but are these gonna be sustainable, alongside the massive expansion already seen last year, post elections in March 2020?
I am happy to see them expanding and wish them best of luck of course but their financials are not positive and it looks to me more of a local political toy than a sustainable business.
Bear in mind, high load factor do not equal profit necessarily.

On a positive note, I flew them recently and the service level has improved compared to 2018.
But I hear also it has become harder and harder to redeem miles on them, they need to manage that carefully in their competition with LCCs...
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:03 am

A330Inter wrote:
I gotta ask, but are these gonna be sustainable, alongside the massive expansion already seen last year, post elections in March 2020?
I am happy to see them expanding and wish them best of luck of course but their financials are not positive and it looks to me more of a local political toy than a sustainable business.
Bear in mind, high load factor do not equal profit necessarily.

On a positive note, I flew them recently and the service level has improved compared to 2018.
But I hear also it has become harder and harder to redeem miles on them, they need to manage that carefully in their competition with LCCs...


They tried the cautious approach and it was a disaster for them, especially in winter. They need destinations such as KRR or LCA to feed their morning and evening waves of departures/arrivals. Unfortunately the Serbian market is not that big so they can't get the volume they need in order to survive. Currently all the destinations they fly to make a profit, all they need to do is make sure this profit is increased so as to cover expenses. This is something that will take a few years to achieve.

We have some routes like Istanbul that make a lot of sense. Serbia is becoming an extremely popular tourist destination for Turks and numbers have been booming for about two years now. Turkish carriers are restricted so they can't suffocate JU meaning there is a market for everyone.

Air Serbia is of vital importance for Serbia and it plays a key role in keeping the economy going. Even though they are not fully profitable today doesn't mean they won't be tomorrow. Subsidies they have been getting from the government have been going down and down for a while now.

With more and more airlines going bankrupt in the region, there is more and more room for JU to grow and offer connections. After all, BEG has a fantastic location.
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:52 pm

BannedUser wrote:
Hopefully they continue to expand. Maybe in 2021 they could get another A330 and maybe start ORD or YYZ? Or perhaps look to the east and start PEK or PVG?


Spring expansion and new round of destinations indicate strong departure from previous long haul ambitions. Air Serbia is not mentioning Toronto or Chicago any more. VINCI, new Belgrade airport operator said "We are working on bringing new airlines to Belgrade. We need some more time to work on flights lasting for over seven hours".

Source:

https://www.exyuaviation.com/2019/07/vinci-working-on-belgrades-long-haul.html

Everything points to Air Serbia closing down long haul JFK operations once current A330 lease expires and instead focusing on Europe and Mediterranean. Long haul at Belgrade airport is more likely to be served by airlines from China and Canada.
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:24 pm

fly2moon wrote:
BannedUser wrote:
Hopefully they continue to expand. Maybe in 2021 they could get another A330 and maybe start ORD or YYZ? Or perhaps look to the east and start PEK or PVG?


Spring expansion and new round of destinations indicate strong departure from previous long haul ambitions. Air Serbia is not mentioning Toronto or Chicago any more. VINCI, new Belgrade airport operator said "We are working on bringing new airlines to Belgrade. We need some more time to work on flights lasting for over seven hours".

Source:

https://www.exyuaviation.com/2019/07/vinci-working-on-belgrades-long-haul.html

Everything points to Air Serbia closing down long haul JFK operations once current A330 lease expires and instead focusing on Europe and Mediterranean. Long haul at Belgrade airport is more likely to be served by airlines from China and Canada.


We already went over this, JU doesn't plan on closing JFK especially not now when they boosted it to six weekly and when they have improved regional connectivity. They are doing the right thing by not rushing into more long haul flying before the one they have now is close to breaking even.
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:08 pm

Blerg wrote:
fly2moon wrote:
BannedUser wrote:
Hopefully they continue to expand. Maybe in 2021 they could get another A330 and maybe start ORD or YYZ? Or perhaps look to the east and start PEK or PVG?


Spring expansion and new round of destinations indicate strong departure from previous long haul ambitions. Air Serbia is not mentioning Toronto or Chicago any more. VINCI, new Belgrade airport operator said "We are working on bringing new airlines to Belgrade. We need some more time to work on flights lasting for over seven hours".

Source:

https://www.exyuaviation.com/2019/07/vinci-working-on-belgrades-long-haul.html

Everything points to Air Serbia closing down long haul JFK operations once current A330 lease expires and instead focusing on Europe and Mediterranean. Long haul at Belgrade airport is more likely to be served by airlines from China and Canada.


We already went over this, JU doesn't plan on closing JFK especially not now when they boosted it to six weekly and when they have improved regional connectivity. They are doing the right thing by not rushing into more long haul flying before the one they have now is close to breaking even.


If AC using Air Canada Rouge or Air Transat brands start YYZ-BEG in 2021, if airline from China starts BEG service and perhaps American Airlines starts looking at the possibility of ORD-BEG or PHL-BEG, Air Serbia might realize their long haul plans need to change. While Air Serbia does not plan on closing JFK right now, market conditions around them in a couple of years might force their hand and that would be the end of long haul at Air Serbia.
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:50 pm

fly2moon wrote:
Blerg wrote:
fly2moon wrote:

Spring expansion and new round of destinations indicate strong departure from previous long haul ambitions. Air Serbia is not mentioning Toronto or Chicago any more. VINCI, new Belgrade airport operator said "We are working on bringing new airlines to Belgrade. We need some more time to work on flights lasting for over seven hours".

Source:

https://www.exyuaviation.com/2019/07/vinci-working-on-belgrades-long-haul.html

Everything points to Air Serbia closing down long haul JFK operations once current A330 lease expires and instead focusing on Europe and Mediterranean. Long haul at Belgrade airport is more likely to be served by airlines from China and Canada.


We already went over this, JU doesn't plan on closing JFK especially not now when they boosted it to six weekly and when they have improved regional connectivity. They are doing the right thing by not rushing into more long haul flying before the one they have now is close to breaking even.


If AC using Air Canada Rouge or Air Transat brands start YYZ-BEG in 2021, if airline from China starts BEG service and perhaps American Airlines starts looking at the possibility of ORD-BEG or PHL-BEG, Air Serbia might realize their long haul plans need to change. While Air Serbia does not plan on closing JFK right now, market conditions around them in a couple of years might force their hand and that would be the end of long haul at Air Serbia.


Yeah, other airlines launching YYZ, PHL, PEK, ORD... will force JU to terminate JFK which is in no way related to those markets.
If Lufthansa's third daily to Munich this summer did not lead to JU terminating JFK then I am sure those you mentioned won't either.

JU is not based in London or Paris to have enough local demand to fill JFK flights without feed. They are doing the right thing by enhancing and improving their feeding network.
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:52 pm

Blerg wrote:
Air Serbia fleet consists of:

A319 x9
A320 x2
Atr72 x6
B733 x3
A330 x1

Total: 21 aircraft

Source:
https://www.exyuaviation.com/2019/12/ai ... twork.html

Fun times ahead, that's for sure.


For just a 21 aircraft airline having 4 different aircraft families is beyond excessive!!!
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:56 pm

P1aneMad wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Air Serbia fleet consists of:

A319 x9
A320 x2
Atr72 x6
B733 x3
A330 x1

Total: 21 aircraft

Source:
https://www.exyuaviation.com/2019/12/ai ... twork.html

Fun times ahead, that's for sure.


For just a 21 aircraft airline having 4 different aircraft families is beyond excessive!!!


B733s were inherited from JAT/Jat era so they are fully paid for. JU is slowly replacing them with A319s so basically it's three models which is ok.
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:01 pm

P1aneMad wrote:

For just a 21 aircraft airline having 4 different aircraft families is beyond excessive!!!


The 733s are on the way out as soon as they run out of cycles.

They can't get away with less than 3 aircraft families.
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:22 pm

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
How times change...thirty years ago, nationalism in the final days of Yugoslavia was virulently anti-Muslim and anti-non-Serbian. Today cooler heads prevail and Serbia and Turkey are expanding ties. Perhaps this change in attitudes will result in nearby Bosnia coming together...

I'm always hoping for the best.

Question: is Air Serbia relying mostly on O&D from BEG? Or are there substantial numbers of connecting passengers?


True, international anti-Serbian bias is also passing which is nice to see.

As for JU, I think around 30% of their passengers are transfers.
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:39 pm

Valencia is an interesting choice because most Eastern European carriers would launch AGP first.

On the other hand, Valencia has a very big Romanian and Bulgarian diaspora, so it might work well for them for transfers. Also Valencia-former Yugoslavia has no flights (the closest thing must be Trieste on FR or Timişoara on W6), so it might work as well for Spanish tourists heading to Croatia.
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:44 pm

Blerg wrote:
P1aneMad wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Air Serbia fleet consists of:

A319 x9
A320 x2
Atr72 x6
B733 x3
A330 x1

Total: 21 aircraft

Source:
https://www.exyuaviation.com/2019/12/ai ... twork.html

Fun times ahead, that's for sure.


For just a 21 aircraft airline having 4 different aircraft families is beyond excessive!!!


B733s were inherited from JAT/Jat era so they are fully paid for. JU is slowly replacing them with A319s so basically it's three models which is ok.

It would be three model families if they had retired the Boeings.
But they have to keep parts. mechanics and flight crews for these aircraft.
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:03 pm

P1aneMad wrote:
It would be three model families if they had retired the Boeings.
But they have to keep parts. mechanics and flight crews for these aircraft.


Good thing you don't run an airline because the first rule of business is "don't spend a dollar to save a dime". :lol: :lol:

The 733s, as someone already posted in this thread, are all 100% paid for. They are mainly flown on charters during the summer and also when an Airbus can't fly so their utilization is low. Leasing additional A319s when these perfectly good 733s still have some cycles on them makes absolutely zero sense. The parts, mechanics, and flight crews are all already at Air Serbia and have been there for over 30 years so there really isn't any additional cost of maintaining this fleet.

Most of the 733s have already been retired but the few that keep flying will fly until they run out of cycles. Then those will also be retired and more A319s will be leased.
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:50 pm

Seems like they slowly started to load additional flights. According to Amadeus these are the current increases:

1. BCN from 2 to 3 weekly.
2. MAD from 2 to 3 weekly.
3. LCA from 7 to 9 weekly.
4. FCO from 7 to 10 weekly.
5. LJU from 14 to 17 weekly.
6. Summer seasonal increases to Athens, Thessaloniki, Tirana, Skopje and Bucharest start from the beginning of summer season and no longer from June as was the case before.
7. DBV and SJJ are getting morning departures from BEG so as to allow connections to New York.

On 01.04.2020 the following regional cities will see increases:

ATH from 7 to 10 (14 at peak)
SKG from 4 to 8 (14)
TIA from 6 to 9
SKP from 6 to 8 (13)

Seems like they are trying to reduce seasonality by as much as possible.
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:51 pm

Forgot to add, they are also expected to extend IST flights into the summer season, they were re-launched in December 2019.
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:19 pm

Blerg wrote:
Seems like they slowly started to load additional flights. According to Amadeus these are the current increases:

1. BCN from 2 to 3 weekly.
2. MAD from 2 to 3 weekly.
3. LCA from 7 to 9 weekly.
4. FCO from 7 to 10 weekly.
5. LJU from 14 to 17 weekly.
6. Summer seasonal increases to Athens, Thessaloniki, Tirana, Skopje and Bucharest start from the beginning of summer season and no longer from June as was the case before.
7. DBV and SJJ are getting morning departures from BEG so as to allow connections to New York.

On 01.04.2020 the following regional cities will see increases:

ATH from 7 to 10 (14 at peak)
SKG from 4 to 8 (14)
TIA from 6 to 9
SKP from 6 to 8 (13)

Seems like they are trying to reduce seasonality by as much as possible.


SKP, TIA, SJJ, LJU, OTP are clear to me and certainly good moves. Interesting that no SOF.

ATH, SKG - is Greece an important trading partner of Serbia or is this more for leisure? The same about FCO.

I guess MAD and BCN are for leisure (whether Serbian tourists or those transferring in BEG from the region, having in mind it may be difficult to hit the waves in BEG with this medium haul).

Is JU still looking for transfer pax to JFK, because I thought they already have very good loads (irrespective of the point about profitability of the route)? Is this to up the profitability by having more transfers to pick from?
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 8:26 am

artflyer wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Seems like they slowly started to load additional flights. According to Amadeus these are the current increases:

1. BCN from 2 to 3 weekly.
2. MAD from 2 to 3 weekly.
3. LCA from 7 to 9 weekly.
4. FCO from 7 to 10 weekly.
5. LJU from 14 to 17 weekly.
6. Summer seasonal increases to Athens, Thessaloniki, Tirana, Skopje and Bucharest start from the beginning of summer season and no longer from June as was the case before.
7. DBV and SJJ are getting morning departures from BEG so as to allow connections to New York.

On 01.04.2020 the following regional cities will see increases:

ATH from 7 to 10 (14 at peak)
SKG from 4 to 8 (14)
TIA from 6 to 9
SKP from 6 to 8 (13)

Seems like they are trying to reduce seasonality by as much as possible.


SKP, TIA, SJJ, LJU, OTP are clear to me and certainly good moves. Interesting that no SOF.

ATH, SKG - is Greece an important trading partner of Serbia or is this more for leisure? The same about FCO.

I guess MAD and BCN are for leisure (whether Serbian tourists or those transferring in BEG from the region, having in mind it may be difficult to hit the waves in BEG with this medium haul).

Is JU still looking for transfer pax to JFK, because I thought they already have very good loads (irrespective of the point about profitability of the route)? Is this to up the profitability by having more transfers to pick from?


Yes, true about Sofia, seems to be the only regional destination not be increased in a while. They did try to boost it some years ago but once the summer season had passed those were never brought back. SJJ is another city that has remained stable but that's because of the opening hours. I think they close from 22.00 to 06.00 and JU would operate it most likely at 00.30 and then the flight back at 05.00.

FCO is a mix of everything, including transfers onto AZ's domestic network. However with JU's Italian network growing there will be less need for that (especially with Alitalia's uncertain future). Loads are generally really good and they are seeing an increasing number of transfers in Belgrade.

Spain at this point was 80% local demand but with these extra flights connectivity will improve, especially once destinations such as KIV, LWO or ROV are added.

Greece is mostly for locals but there is a huge number of transfers especially in Athens. These night flights to the region will help boost both the loads and yields to JFK. They are great in summer but now we
will have additional feed in April and May which we didn't have before.

I heard charter demand is growing like crazy, this year it grew by some 10% while in 2020 they are expecting it to be around 15%. For example the moment FR discontinued Budapest-Marrakesh flights tour agencies in Belgrade chartered JU flights to Morocco, both to Fez and Marrakesh.

With Swiss going triple daily (+5), LO adding daily from BUD and EW launching three weekly STR-BEG, Nordwind planning Moscow flights... it is expected Belgrade will handle at least 7 million passengers next year.
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 11:00 am

Good thing! I love Serbia, such and underrated destination!
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 11:12 am

santi319 wrote:
Good thing! I love Serbia, such and underrated destination!


Any additional service to BEG is good news...I fly there roughly every 6 weeks non-rev, so additional options are always good. Especially AC/Rouge rumours....But for now, Lufthansa has been my go to via MUC or FRA
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 11:23 am

santi319 wrote:
Good thing! I love Serbia, such and underrated destination!


Good thing is that JU revised its pricing policy once EY was out of the picture. Now it's not uncommon to find LCC type fares from BEG to the rest of Europe, they also have sales all the time. Their onboard product is also quite ok and the buy on board prices are not that crazy.

Now all that we need is for BEG to expand so as to accommodate all this growth.
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 11:24 am

diverted wrote:
santi319 wrote:
Good thing! I love Serbia, such and underrated destination!


Any additional service to BEG is good news...I fly there roughly every 6 weeks non-rev, so additional options are always good. Especially AC/Rouge rumours....But for now, Lufthansa has been my go to via MUC or FRA


Rouge would be great especially since they could park at the A1 gate which is used by narrowbodies and not by JU's A330. That's the only A gate certified to accommodate a B767.
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:08 pm

Following a bit of a sham of a tender process, Air Serbia began flying in December 2019 between Kraljevo and Vienna twice per week. There are reports on the web that this route will terminate at the end of March 2020. People commenting on articles at exyuaviation.com think it's just that the flights haven't been loaded yet for April 2020. Looking at FR24, it seems that Kraljevo is prone to fog at the start of the day (confirmed by METAR) so the aircraft to operate JU2602 KVO-VIE is delayed a few hours flying from Belgrade to Kraljevo before it can pick up pax wanting to go to Vienna. The airserbia.com website shows no sign of the expected Kraljevo-Thessaloniki route

Does anyone know for definite what the situation is - will the sole PSO route from Kraljevo really terminate after just 3 months turning the airport back into a zombie again ?

https://www.austrianaviation.net/detail ... ieder-auf/
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... air-serbia
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ju2602
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:33 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Following a bit of a sham of a tender process, Air Serbia began flying in December 2019 between Kraljevo and Vienna twice per week. There are reports on the web that this route will terminate at the end of March 2020. People commenting on articles at exyuaviation.com think it's just that the flights haven't been loaded yet for April 2020. Looking at FR24, it seems that Kraljevo is prone to fog at the start of the day (confirmed by METAR) so the aircraft to operate JU2602 KVO-VIE is delayed a few hours flying from Belgrade to Kraljevo before it can pick up pax wanting to go to Vienna. The airserbia.com website shows no sign of the expected Kraljevo-Thessaloniki route

Does anyone know for definite what the situation is - will the sole PSO route from Kraljevo really terminate after just 3 months turning the airport back into a zombie again ?

https://www.austrianaviation.net/detail ... ieder-auf/
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... air-serbia
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ju2602


The route is not being cut, it's a political project that will benefit a whole region that has relatively bad road infrastructure. Air Serbia has not finalized their 2020 summer network so they still don't know how or when the Kraljevo flights will operate. For the time being there are no plans to suspend them especially since loads so far have been great, especially on the VIE-KVO sector.

Tender process for the construction of the second runway has been launched and once it's completed aircraft larger than Atr-72 will be able to land. Until then JU it is. In my opinion KVO has far more potential than INI but we will have to see what happens in the end. INI had a fantastic year, it is expected they will welcome 420.000 passengers in 2019.
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:09 pm

I wonder if they will try a summer VAR flight again. It was operated for 2 (3?) seasons with reasonable loads.
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:24 am

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I wonder if they will try a summer VAR flight again. It was operated for 2 (3?) seasons with reasonable loads.


Doubt it, Varna had around 30 passengers on a good day, on most flights loads were around 20-something. That said, things are quite different now as they have a wider network so who knows. They are launching KIV so let's see how that performs for them.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:22 am

Air Serbia to add two Atr-72 to its fleet, one as replacement, other for growth. JU will have 7 Atr-72 aircraft in its fleet.

https://www.exyuaviation.com/2020/01/ai ... tr72s.html
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:35 pm

Air Serbia just announced more increases:

BEG-TIA to 14 weekly.
BEG-SKP to 13 weekly.
BEG-PRG to 10 weekly.
BEG-OTP to 9 weekly.

https://www.exyuaviation.com/2020/01/ai ... ecies.html
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:31 pm

Has there been any news about when Air Serbia will put Kraljevo-Vienna on sale for dates beyond late March, or Kraljevo-Thessaloniki for any dates ?

I notice that since Kraljevo-Vienna began, there were 10 dates with a scheduled flight from Kraljevo to Vienna. 2 were cancelled and 4 were more than 3 hours late, so an 80% completion and 40% punctuality record so far. I'm interested in buying a ticket out of Kraljevo, but it seems that early morning flights in winter are just not viable
 
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Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:48 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Has there been any news about when Air Serbia will put Kraljevo-Vienna on sale for dates beyond late March, or Kraljevo-Thessaloniki for any dates ?

I notice that since Kraljevo-Vienna began, there were 10 dates with a scheduled flight from Kraljevo to Vienna. 2 were cancelled and 4 were more than 3 hours late, so an 80% completion and 40% punctuality record so far. I'm interested in buying a ticket out of Kraljevo, but it seems that early morning flights in winter are just not viable


The location of the airport is such that it has dense fog in winter. If you are planning of flying from February or March onward you should be fine. Many ATR flights out of Belgrade have been cancelled or diverted in recent days.
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:35 pm

KVO VIE has been loaded. Twice a week Tues and Sats. Tues midday, Sats morning. Flight operate as KVO VIE KVO same as now
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:42 pm

Once upon a time, JAT used to serve places as far away as KHI, SYD and SDA (BGW). What happened?
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:43 pm

With the start of S2020 Both VIE and SKG have been loaded.
With split schedule like this JU could sell transfers from VIE to SKG via KVO and vv.
Not saying they will, just saying they could.

KVO SKG:
JU2520 KVO0800 - 1020SKG AT7 2
JU2520 KVO1255 - 1515SKG AT7 6

JU2521 SKG1050 - 1115KVO AT7 2
JU2521 SKG1545 - 1610KVO AT7 6

KVO VIE:
JU2602 0825KVO - VIE1005 AT7 6
JU2602 1200KVO - VIE1340 AT7 2

JU2603 1045VIE - KVO1220 AT7 6
JU2603 1420VIE - KVO1555 AT7 2
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:54 pm

leftcoast8 wrote:
Once upon a time, JAT used to serve places as far away as KHI, SYD and SDA (BGW). What happened?


Well the country that airline used to serve disappeared overnight. JU was left with a big fleet and a much smaller, post-war market. That said, BEG has already outperformed its Yugoslav record (I think it was in 1987) while JU has still not done it. I think in the next year or two it will happen.

They did bring back many destinations JAT served back in the day among which is New York.
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:58 am

Starting from the 2020 summer season, Air Serbia has increased Istanbul from 3 to 7 weekly flights. These increases are already in the system.

There will be a total of 25 weekly flights between the two cities: Turkish Airlines with 14, Air Serbia with 7 and Pegasus with 4.
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:42 am

Belgrade-Tivat increases from 22 to 24 weekly flights in summer, additional two flights depart around 13.00 and will be operated with the A319.
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:45 am

Blerg wrote:
Belgrade-Tivat increases from 22 to 24 weekly flights in summer, additional two flights depart around 13.00 and will be operated with the A319.


Out of curiosity: I understand that Tivat has approx. 10k inhabitants. How is it possible to maintain so many flights? I also understand Montenegro as a whole has some 600k and that Tivat is less than two hours drive from Podgorica.
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:14 am

artflyer wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Belgrade-Tivat increases from 22 to 24 weekly flights in summer, additional two flights depart around 13.00 and will be operated with the A319.


Out of curiosity: I understand that Tivat has approx. 10k inhabitants. How is it possible to maintain so many flights? I also understand Montenegro as a whole has some 600k and that Tivat is less than two hours drive from Podgorica.


Tivat is the entry point for the entire Montenegrin coast which attracts many Serbian tourists every year. Not many go to the city itself but to places like Budva, Herceg Novi, Kotor... Also Montenegro is home to a massive Serbian population and many have children or relatives in Belgrade who own property on the coast. That's why there are so many flights.

On top of all that JU carriers a lot of transfers especially from Russia which also arrive on Aeroflot. SU and JU have a really good partnership, that's why SU manages to send their A320 three times per day even in winter. In summer it's not uncommon for Aeroflot to arrive with 30 to 50 transfers to TGD and TIV.

Montenegro Airlines will also be increasing frequencies on TIV-BEG from 22 to 29 weekly flights in summer. In total there will be (for now) 53 weekly flights between the two cities, that's between 7 and 8 per day.
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:09 pm

Any idea what happened to flight JU394/395 to/from Hamburg?! The flight is no longer in the systems... Any more infos?
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:13 pm

debonair wrote:
Any idea what happened to flight JU394/395 to/from Hamburg?! The flight is no longer in the systems... Any more infos?


From what I heard HAM is not coming back, it was constantly underperforming since the day it was launched.
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:41 pm

When is the A330 obligation up? Is JFK-BEG worth saving for long term widebody presence in the fleet or is this a one and done situation?
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:50 pm

How are Cairo flights doing? The route sees a modest increase from 2 to 3 flights per week this summer.
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:11 am

Is the SSJ coming or not? I've recently seen some positions available for captain and FO for the summer schedule but there is no mention of which airline is hiring them, they also mention a Europe base in the announcements, could they be wet leasing extra capacity for this summer?
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 5:28 am

Not sure if it’s an indication of how much they’re stretching their fleet or whether it’s a usual practice, but notice one of my flights with them in May has been swapped from an A319 to a 733 (BEG-DUS) assuming it’s an Aviolet aircraft just running a scheduled flight rather than a charter
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:24 am

Air Serbia's 2019 results are out:

- JU carried 2.806.837 passengers, an increase of 9.5%
- 33.322 flights, 30.952 on scheduled and 2.370 on charter flights.
- 94 codeshare destinations, an increase of 18
- Yearly loadfactor of 72% (H1 was pretty weak)
- +28% in ancillary sales
- 10 new destinations from BEG, 12 from INI and 1 from KVO.
- 21 aircraft in the fleet, up by one.

In about a month, JU is starting with its first increases of 2020 when Athens, Thessaloniki and Skopje receive extra frequencies.
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:26 am

Obzerva wrote:
Not sure if it’s an indication of how much they’re stretching their fleet or whether it’s a usual practice, but notice one of my flights with them in May has been swapped from an A319 to a 733 (BEG-DUS) assuming it’s an Aviolet aircraft just running a scheduled flight rather than a charter


Yes, it will be operated by one of the three Aviolet B733s. They have to put them on scheduled flights from time to time so that the Boeing crew can have enough hours to renew/maintain their licence. Last year Air Serbia extended the charter season until November (Antalya until late October, Egypt until mid-November). This year charters start earlier with flights to Morocco starting in March.
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:29 am

Nileblue wrote:
How are Cairo flights doing? The route sees a modest increase from 2 to 3 flights per week this summer.


I just checked on their website and it shows two weekly flights to Cairo. Where did you see the third frequency?
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:32 am

Pudelhund wrote:
When is the A330 obligation up? Is JFK-BEG worth saving for long term widebody presence in the fleet or is this a one and done situation?


From what I know there are no plans to terminate JFK especially not now when their regional network is being boosted. Their biggest problem is winter and the days flights operate, I mean who in his right mind wants to travel to New York on a winter Saturday morning? Hopefully they change this in winter 2020/2021 so as to make their flights more appealing. I heard that in 2019 they managed to reduce losses on the route by some 50%.
 
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Re: Air Serbia (JU) Set for another major expansion in 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:53 am

Blerg wrote:
Nileblue wrote:
How are Cairo flights doing? The route sees a modest increase from 2 to 3 flights per week this summer.


I just checked on their website and it shows two weekly flights to Cairo. Where did you see the third frequency?


My error Blerg, JU remains at 2pw. I must of misread when noting that Air Malta and Tarom both increase CAI from 2 to 3pw this summer. Even Ukrainian International increases CAI from 4 to 7pw. Does this mean JU are struggling in Cairo?

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