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Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:11 am

I ask this question out of pure curiosity, as I have never flown on one and could not give an honest objective view. Being that they are all decendents of the DC9's, a plane I never cared for much for. Would you guys think you would enjoy the DC? or for guys my age and older can remember them, did you like them?

These planes are on the endangered species list, and I haven't followed it's eventual retirement closely. What are the main reasons? fuel burn? age? lack of distance? Even though I was not a fan of the original, I am not saying I wouldn't be if I was to ride on one before their eventual retirement in a few years from now. So, just those questions as I am curious of what does not appear, at least on the outside to be a remarkable plane. I know it has a significant fan base that doesn't want to see it go. Also, any pilots, ex pilots and other flight crew, I would like to hear your views. As an FA was it easy to work in the galleys and serve people? Pilots, how was/is it to fly?
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:24 am

They have a quiet first class as only the pilots are further away from the engines. In coach, with only two seats on one side, no dreaded middle seats for half the plane. When lightly loaded, there was a good chance of having an empty seat between you and your row-mate on the three-seat side.

Back in the day, they competed with 727s pax capacity-wise, with one less engine to feed and keep and one less person in the pointy end. That made them economical until engine technology moved on.
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:30 am

I grew up flying on a ton of DC-9 and MD-80s.
If you asked me the question about 10-15 years ago, I was honestly bored of flying on MD-80s as it was so commonplace.

Now since they've become an endangered species I cherish the last of the opportunities to fly on such aircraft.
The 737 and A320 series are just so plain and generic flying experience compared to the DC-9 linage.

I do like the 2x3 seating.
I love the sounds of the JT8Ds

Granted this board is an ethusiast board, so its not the cross section of the general flying public who could care less about aircraft types.
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:31 am

Loud, smoky, epic JT8D.

It’s design looks like a swan when seen from a certain angle (long neck and wings farther back).
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:02 am

No other aircraft in service that smells of hydraulic fluid and oil. It's literally like stepping into yesteryear. The AA MD80s still had cloth seats in coach, which in my opinion were softer and provided more cushion(I have no cushion of my own and my tailbone hurts after 40 minutes) than the leather seats of today.
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:10 am

Takeoff is a beauty up front. Right after rotation, it is whisper quiet.

I'm young enough to have never flown on a DC-9, but would go out of the way to pick an MD80 over one of the other narrowbodies
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:21 am

Buyers enjoyed the loud tone over each radio transmission.
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:26 am

I really don't understand the hatred some people have for the MD-80/90/717. They along with the 757 are the only jets left with any sort of character. A world full of bland 737's and A320's is extraordinarily boring. Anyone who champions that goal is not an aviation enthusiast. But aside from that, the MD-80 family has five abreast seating that gives you less chance of ending up in a middle seat. Who would t appreciate that?
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:31 am

As a kid in the 1980s I wasn't a big fan of DC9's. They were very common, felt cramped, and were noisy near the back. By the time I started flying a lot of MD80s and the occasional MD90 in the 90s, I started enjoying the relative lack of center seats. After two decades without a DC-9 flight (MD80s excepted), I got to fly a -50 in 2008 and quickly appreciated the current enthusiasts' love for the DC9. It was on NW GRR-MSP, and we dodged lots of weather on the climb and approach. I'd forgotten what an E-ticket ride it was because of its tight handling. I had the same experience on a 717 this year and decided to seek out the type more often. I was very much in what my family calls my "Airplane Mode", grinning like a kid on Christmas.
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:48 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
I really don't understand the hatred some people have for the MD-80/90/717. They along with the 757 are the only jets left with any sort of character. A world full of bland 737's and A320's is extraordinarily boring. Anyone who champions that goal is not an aviation enthusiast. But aside from that, the MD-80 family has five abreast seating that gives you less chance of ending up in a middle seat. Who would t appreciate that?


Airliners are supposed to be boring, characterless transport vehicles. The 737MAX isn’t boring, but it’s grounded. You want exciting, full of character—look at fighters, maybe a bizjet, well, fighters. Airliners are buses and nobody thinks about them.

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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:58 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
I really don't understand the hatred some people have for the MD-80/90/717. They along with the 757 are the only jets left with any sort of character. A world full of bland 737's and A320's is extraordinarily boring. Anyone who champions that goal is not an aviation enthusiast. But aside from that, the MD-80 family has five abreast seating that gives you less chance of ending up in a middle seat. Who would t appreciate that?


Airliners are supposed to be boring, characterless transport vehicles. The 737MAX isn’t boring, but it’s grounded. You want exciting, full of character—look at fighters, maybe a bizjet, well, fighters. Airliners are buses and nobody thinks about them.

GF


I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Watching a 757 take off out of EGE or an MD-80 lit up like a spaceship on approach at night are pretty cool in my opinion. And while I'm too young to have ever seen a Convair 880 in operation, I think it's a truly beautiful aircraft.
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:08 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
I really don't understand the hatred some people have for the MD-80/90/717. They along with the 757 are the only jets left with any sort of character. A world full of bland 737's and A320's is extraordinarily boring. Anyone who champions that goal is not an aviation enthusiast. But aside from that, the MD-80 family has five abreast seating that gives you less chance of ending up in a middle seat. Who would t appreciate that?


Airliners are supposed to be boring, characterless transport vehicles. The 737MAX isn’t boring, but it’s grounded. You want exciting, full of character—look at fighters, maybe a bizjet, well, fighters. Airliners are buses and nobody thinks about them.

GF


Wait, are you arguing that a fourth gen rehashed 737 is full of character? I would argue the opposite...
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:13 am

I absolutely adore the MD-80 series, I have probably 20-30 segments under my belt on mainly Delta jets but also quite a few on AA way back 10-15 years ago when I did not live in ATL. ATL is going to be a boring site to see once T-tails sunset.

- 3x2 seating (DL) or 2x3 seating (AA) - 2 side was always amazing either while traveling with companion or alone.

- Ultra quiet anywhere forward of the trailing edge of the wing. First class and Comfort+ is just superb - you can't even hear the JT8D buzzing away at takeoff - just the gentle forward momentum, then at cruise its just wind noise. Yeah the last 10 rows or so can be terrible and borderline excruciating if you end up next to the engines and they are out of sync.

- JT8D buzz at takeoff. Much tinnier than the RB211 and CF6 but it still sounds amazing.

My opportunities to fly on the MD88 are closing pretty rapidly as they are now only running a bunch of shorter secondary markets out of Atlanta, but I think I had pretty good seat time with them over the years I won't be too terribly upset if I don't make it onto another one. If I dig into my hard copy photo archives I'm pretty certain I can find a picture of a Continental MD-80 at SJC where we unloaded on the tarmac circa 1999-2000 after a flight from IAH.
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:23 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
CarlosSi wrote:
Loud, smoky, epic JT8D.

It’s design looks like a swan when seen from a certain angle (long neck and wings farther back).


You’d really love the F-4 and the Century-series fighters—lots more noise and smoke.

Can’t wait to see these Douglas relics go. Flown in 9-14s, 30s, 50s, MD-80s and 90s. Their time past 20 years ago.

GF

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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:33 am

People have a fetish for the Maddog. However, people that do, must have never worked one as an airline employee. From a ramp perspective, it was typically broke for maintenance, needed an air start, horrible bin, weird bypass pin, and more. There were a handful of times where we would stack an MD80 with 120 bags, then have to take them all out because the flight was cancelled due to maintenance. That was always fun. I much preferred the 737. Not sure about the pilots, but a good amount of flight attendants told me they hated to work it too. At the end of the day, it was an icon.
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:39 am

My dad (RIP) was an MD80 captain. I remember traveling as a nonrev on full flights I would always get stuck in that back row of the 80. You can't see anything out the windows except the engines. Back there it was noisy as hell but I still loved it. I agree and I remember they were quiet planes elsewhere on board. Sure airliners are utilitarian, but there is nothing wrong with, and quite normal to absorb the character and subtle feel of different planes. Another plane that is now gone that I loved traveling on was the DC10s and the L10-11.
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:45 am

only had 6 rides on MD80/90 but I always loved the amazing quite take off roll
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:00 am

Even older MD-80s still have a good number of hours/cycles left, as MD built them to last. While MD-80s do use more fuel, oil prices are still relatively low since the end of the last recession. Airlines have been using Mad Dogs a bit more on shorter flights where fuel burn is a little less of an issue. MD-80s are good short haul/high cycle planes anyway.

But a major factor in MD-80s being phased out now is that spare parts are becoming more challenging to find. IIRC, Boeing support for the MD-80 largely ended earlier this decade. After this happened, AA, DL and G4 took in extra MD-80s to be cannibalized for extra spare parts including JT8D-200 engines. As a practical matter, the MD-80 is virtually the only plane that used the JT8D-200s. In contrast, the earlier JT8Ds powered 727s, 732s, DC-9s and other planes like some Caravelles and the Japanese Kawasaki C-1. It's a bit ironic that 722/DC-9 freighters may end up having a longer post-passenger career than MD-80s with the earlier JT8D engines/parts being in a little better supply.

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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:18 am

I have probably flown 50 flights or more on MD-81's MD-88's MD-90's 717's and every variant of the DC-9 except the 20.


Love the maddogs, and frankly never much liked the A320 family or 737. Call me crazy i guess....
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:43 am

Looks sexy from a lot of angles, and I like the oversize engines on the MD-90. The takeoff angle right after liftoff from the runway is impressive too. 2x3. I could go on.
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:20 am

They were the staple here in Norway for many, many years, together with the Boeing 737. The CRJ's and the EMB's have less space for passengers and luggage.in cabin.
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:29 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
I really don't understand the hatred some people have for the MD-80/90/717. They along with the 757 are the only jets left with any sort of character. A world full of bland 737's and A320's is extraordinarily boring. Anyone who champions that goal is not an aviation enthusiast. But aside from that, the MD-80 family has five abreast seating that gives you less chance of ending up in a middle seat. Who would t appreciate that?


Airliners are supposed to be boring, characterless transport vehicles. The 737MAX isn’t boring, but it’s grounded. You want exciting, full of character—look at fighters, maybe a bizjet, well, fighters. Airliners are buses and nobody thinks about them.

GF

Why on earth would you join a forum literally called airliners.net if you think they are boring characterless transport vehicles? This would be like me joining a Vespa forum and complaining that Vespas aren’t as cool as Harley’s
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:10 am

Love them, because there aren't any noisier planes to pick from when I'm stuck at the back of the bus! I would literally pay more and go out of my way to get on one if my travel allows. Alas the chance is getting slim.
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:23 am

Growing up in the 60s, to me as a small boy the DC-9 (and BAC 1-11) was the very first modern shorthaul jet plane.

I was used to flying Viscounts, Convair Metropolitans, Comets and Caravelles, etc - but often the windows, though quite big, were misaligned, which was a challenge for me as a small boy. Here comes the DC-9 with these small windows and every row had almost 2 windows on each side! This was a big plus to me. And for the first time, the overhead compartments could be closed! I really was impressed.

As I grew up, the DC-9 grew longer and longer. I still remember my very first flight on a brand new DC-9-50 from Athens to Zurich, October 1975. How colorful the cabin was, seats in lemon yellow, lime green and a bright red. I loved it.

And the sound of the engines, the vibration when being seated in the back, that was fun. However the DC-9 never was my favorite shorthaul plane at the time, that was the Trident, especially the Trident 3B.

Since then, a lot has changed and there was a time, I would say 'not again a MD80'! But today as a frequent flyer, I miss them all, I miss the variety of different aircraft types that we could experience. At least with the A220 there is again a plane with the great 2+3 coach seating, awesome windows, that I again prefer to the Embraer jets, where windows often are misaligned...
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:33 am

Lots of reasons:

Good upgrade probability
Fewer middle seats
Among the last planes that look different than all the rest (not counting RJs which I won't fly on)
The sound of the JT8D/the last of the low-bypass engines; nothing new sounds like that, with the high-pitched whine
Look at SeatGuru for the MD88 in Comfort+ on Delta vs. that on a 737-800; half the seats are yellow on the 737
Whisper quiet in the front part of the plane (which conflicts with being able to hear the JT8D, but first class is first class)
The last of the old generation of planes, really
The seats are more comfortable; I think they might also be larger with better pitch
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:43 am

2x3 seating, quiet takeoff for the front half of the aircraft, the JT8D engine sound at takeoff if you are in the back, and memories of watching these planes along with the 727 and L-1011 departing and arriving at the old TW hub in STL when I was a kid in the 80s and 90s.
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:51 am

For me the reasons are personal so the type will always hold a special place in my heart. Over the years I've had between 500 - 600 flights on AA MD-80/83s with about another 100 flights on DL MD-88/90s, AS MD-83s, HA 717s.
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:14 am

I think many of the posters above have answered the original question well.

It's probably a generational thing. My first commercial flight was in 1966. Over the years, diversity has declined - fewer manufacturers, fewer types, fewer airlines.

At the same time homogeneity has set in. A330/787/A350/777. They each have their own personality but they are essentially the same basic concept. 737/A320? Again, out of the same mould.

But the DC-9/MD-80/MD-90 was (is) quite different. T-tail, tail-mounted engines, 2-3 seating.

I also miss the MD-11 and its 2-4-3 seating (at least on Swissair) and the 727 and the 146/ARJ and TriStars and all the 'different' planes that made everything a bit more enjoyable.

And I have a personal reason to watch the MD-80 and siblings. I've managed 99 flights on them and I fear I'll never get my 100th.

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MD-81/82/83/87/88
MD-90
(I never did get on an MD-95/717.)

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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:18 am

For me, I love anything that is a break from the ordinary. The MD88 is a relic from another time.Lowbypass engines, loud, Smokey, and almost steam gauge cockpit. It’s just really really cool from the perspective of an aviation enthusiast. As a passenger, I have not shown a preference or aversion for the aircraft, that being said, all my flights on the series were in Iran. The MD90 series is cool because it is an oddball aircraft that combines the past with the present in the form of the IAE engines. The T tail design is also sadly disappearing from our skies. This unique character is why I also adore the 757, 747, A380, and MD11: Each of these aircraft have their own special features that you cannot see anywhere else. The 757 is its sexy nose, wing, and tail. The 747 is for me the way it resembles both an ocean liner with its gigantic curving front, and a bird with its swept wings and head like hump. Not to mention the deafening roar of the CF6s, or the musical whine of the RB211s. I remember the first time I came physically close to a 747s nose. I was quite overwhelmed at the size. Same for the A380: There is something that just gets me every time I ride past an A380s wings at FRA. It is absolutely mind boggling that humans were able to make that thing fly. Love it or hate it, it’s shape is nothing like anything else in the sky, much like the MD11.

The DC9 series also carry’s a lot of nostalgia for many people. Probably my earliest aviation memory is of driving into SEA with two Alaska tails in view: An MD80, and a 737
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:43 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
I really don't understand the hatred some people have for the MD-80/90/717. They along with the 757 are the only jets left with any sort of character. A world full of bland 737's and A320's is extraordinarily boring. Anyone who champions that goal is not an aviation enthusiast. But aside from that, the MD-80 family has five abreast seating that gives you less chance of ending up in a middle seat. Who would t appreciate that?


Airliners are supposed to be boring, characterless transport vehicles. The 737MAX isn’t boring, but it’s grounded. You want exciting, full of character—look at fighters, maybe a bizjet, well, fighters. Airliners are buses and nobody thinks about them.

GF


I think you might be posting in the wrong forum perhaps?
You are certainly being annoying, lemme tell you. On purpose maybe?
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:07 am

I think from an aviation enthusiast’s point of view, it’s all about nostalgia and the opportunity to fly in something other than a 737 or A320. In Australia we are lucky to have 19 717s darting about for QantasLink which is the only derivative of that aircraft lineage I’ve flown in. No other aircraft will give you the combination of such a whisper quiet yet rocket-like take off in the first few rows. The Fokker 100 (of which there also is a large number here) is similar in that regard but the takeoff never feels quite as steep. Also love the thud of the leading edge slats falling into their drooped position. And up the back, the buzz of the RR BR700s (albeit nothing like the whine of the old JT8Ds) right outside the window is also something special. It just feels rugged and utilitarian. Very different to today’s narrowbodies.
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:10 am

My first ever flight was on a DC-9 out of OMA. Felt like a rocket taking off! Have had an appreciation for aviation ever since!
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:13 am

IMO, the "why the passion for..." would probably not asked when it comes to other types of aircraft. The number of people with a passion for MD-80s and MD-90s is rather small. It's a minority among the huge number of people with passion for civil aeroplanes.
Personally, I am happy to listen to pilots/cabin crew who worked on MD-80s or other classic jetliners (727, Caravelle, BAC One-Eleven, DC-8/-9). It was a different era, different people, social attitude, life and most people who share their memories are in the late 50s, early 60s. Some younger cabin crew don't even know, what "Pan Am" was. No joke.

And even in 1999 people told me, that Onur Air "operates old MD-88s and the Airbus A300 is much younger", not believing that the MD-88s of Onur Air were delivered in 1997.

20 years later, I tend to think: I don't care. ;-)
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:18 pm

TTailedTiger wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
I really don't understand the hatred some people have for the MD-80/90/717. They along with the 757 are the only jets left with any sort of character. A world full of bland 737's and A320's is extraordinarily boring. Anyone who champions that goal is not an aviation enthusiast. But aside from that, the MD-80 family has five abreast seating that gives you less chance of ending up in a middle seat. Who would t appreciate that?


Airliners are supposed to be boring, characterless transport vehicles. The 737MAX isn’t boring, but it’s grounded. You want exciting, full of character—look at fighters, maybe a bizjet, well, fighters. Airliners are buses and nobody thinks about them.

GF


I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Watching a 757 take off out of EGE or an MD-80 lit up like a spaceship on approach at night are pretty cool in my opinion. And while I'm too young to have ever seen a Convair 880 in operation, I think it's a truly beautiful aircraft.

I'm going to come to gf's defense a little bit. Not that he needs it, but his oftentimes different views of airliners and the experience of being a passenger on one shouldn't really be a surprise having had a full career with the best seat on the plane. I'm not certain I would share his thoughts and feelings if I were a pilot, but I might to some degree and definitely would understand them. How many of us after working a long day or say a long week want to jump right in and deal with and be a part, but not a direct part of our jobs? More than likely we wouldn't have the interest or the excitement of an aviation enthusiast. Which is to say he may have similar although much higher education about airline travel. Think about some our friends or family members who came back from a trip. Ask them about the flight and they'll point out any negativity, delayed, turbulent, crowded, irritating passengers... but nothing about the plane itself. Its likely they don't remember the model they flew on and almost definitely won't remember the exact model. Just 757, or A350. He's also bared witness as have many of us in the decline in how people travel in the last few decades.
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:00 pm

I love the 3-2 configurations. I always pick the 2 pair seats every time, way better than the 3-3 on A320 or B737. Aesthetically it looks nice to me. Also in flight simulator you can flare it up real high during landing unlike other narrow-body aircraft.
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:19 pm

So Many great replies above! have to agree with 95% of the reasons listed. The 2x3 seats, the quiet ride in the front 3/4 of the aircraft, the JT8's!!!, we can go on.. If you ever got a some real crappy turbulence, you appreciated the ruggedness of the MD80's/90's ( inc. the B 717, and earlier the DC8's and 10's).
As someone mentioned the F-4s and such, the DC series were all initially designed by the guys that built military fighters..built to take some crap, brush off the dust, and keep moving on!

Since the early 70's, I'm going to guess I have been on at least 130-150 DC9 15,30's, 40s,50s, and the MD 80 series.

Per haps someday, A new clean sheet aircraft will come along with a T tail, and rear mounted engines..Just a hope!!!!
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:29 pm

With huge diameter unducted fans and electric rotors tail mounted engines might come back one day including T-tails.
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:46 pm

Unducted fans have been on the verge of a come back 20+ years now. I’ll believe it when I see it.
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:49 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
I grew up flying on a ton of DC-9 and MD-80s.
If you asked me the question about 10-15 years ago, I was honestly bored of flying on MD-80s as it was so commonplace.

Now since they've become an endangered species I cherish the last of the opportunities to fly on such aircraft.
The 737 and A320 series are just so plain and generic flying experience compared to the DC-9 linage.

I do like the 2x3 seating.
I love the sounds of the JT8Ds

Granted this board is an ethusiast board, so its not the cross section of the general flying public who could care less about aircraft types.

And there you have my main reason. This powerhouse also powered the 732.

That said, I only flew the DC9 once - when I was 9. That was my first time on a plane. Since then, I have flown on a 717 (AirTran) in 2013, and in 2015 I flew on a MD83 for the first time - an ex-SAS bird flying for Allegiant at the time. As I recall, both of those were marginally quieter than the 737/A320s I've been flying on.

As I'm sure others have stated, the technologies have changed. Wing-mounted engines are easier to maintain and work with vs tail mounted. Plus, I think you have better aerodynamics/thrust vs. drag, etc with wing-mounted vs. tail mounted/T-tail equipment.
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:51 pm

FC was awesome. So quiet and smooth. Even turbulence seemed less severe, though it could feel like being on a diving board if it was really bad. On the ground, I don't miss the PW JT8Ds at all.
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:01 pm

For me, aside from the 757, the MD-80 is the last classic bird from my era growing up and flying in the 1980's and 90's. A real airliner. Everything else these days is, I hate to say, kind of boring. The smokey whining JTD-8 are the best. Although not quite as good as the 727's that I miss dearly. Airports these days don't even sound like the airports I grew up with now that everything has high bypass turbofans. You get out at curbside and don't hear the whining and rumbling anymore.

I remember the days when it seemed like 75% of my flights were MD-80, DC-9, or 727, and anything else would have been a treat. Now I wish I could go back.
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:58 pm

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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:12 pm

pwm2txlhopper wrote:
For me, aside from the 757, the MD-80 is the last classic bird from my era growing up and flying in the 1980's and 90's. A real airliner. Everything else these days is, I hate to say, kind of boring. The smokey whining JTD-8 are the best. Although not quite as good as the 727's that I miss dearly. Airports these days don't even sound like the airports I grew up with now that everything has high bypass turbofans. You get out at curbside and don't hear the whining and rumbling anymore.

I remember the days when it seemed like 75% of my flights were MD-80, DC-9, or 727, and anything else would have been a treat. Now I wish I could go back.


Yep, there are a lot of us that have our first memories on here from the 80s & 90s, and there are those older that can remember the 60s/70s.

For those of us that remember the 80s/early-90s it was all DC-9, 72S, 73S, 733, MD-80. 757s were the modern bird of the era but didn't really hit their peak until mid-90s. Same with 319/320 which were pretty rare in the late-80s. F-28 & F-100s were the exotic aircraft of the time.

I do know exactly remember what you mean about the sound of the airport. All those screaming JT8Ds. The sound was incredible. You'd hear it as soon as you got out of your car in the parking lot. I remember how loud it was in the jetway in places like ATL with whining JT8Ds EVERYWHERE!.
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:31 pm

It represents an era when airliners weren't all tubes with two engines hanging off the wings. The DC-9 was probably the first plane I could recognize as a kid. Some of us are old enough to remember air-stairing up the back (or even through 1L), powerbacking from gates at Atlanta and more that just doesn't happen that much anymore.
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:37 pm

Everyone has their own unique reasons as to why, and they're all valid. I rode on American's back in 2017 and it was far better than the standard A320 ride. Quiet first class, JT8D whine near the back. The elegant design of the T-Tail and wings. For me, it was showing up to work at YYZ on a cold winter morning, driving behind 06L as Delta started rolling. Rattled my car windows every time. Could still here the rumble of it for several minutes if nobody else was lining up.
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:43 pm

speedbird52 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Airliners are supposed to be boring, characterless transport vehicles. ...
GF

Why on earth would you join a forum literally called airliners.net if you think they are boring characterless transport vehicles? This would be like me joining a Vespa forum and complaining that Vespas aren’t as cool as Harley’s

I guess it takes all sorts to make an interesting fandom.

I'm here for the public policy implications, and the impact that an efficient transportation network has on sociology. Business jets and fighter hold little interest for me because I'm less fascinated by what we can do when we simply throw money at a project. But the boring, characterless transport vehicles are fascinating. They are changing our society like few innovations in the history of the species.

The changes are happening precisely because of the evolution if the technology to economically viable, boring, characterless transport vehicles, and it's fantastic.
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:50 pm

The MD80 with its hush kits, the interesting tail recognition lights and its takeoff angle are what always fascinated me about the bird. I would think the takeoff angle alone would be any aviation enthusiast dream. The birds of today are pretty generic in comparison.
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:55 pm

baje427 wrote:
The MD80 with its hush kits, the interesting tail recognition lights and its takeoff angle are what always fascinated me about the bird. I would think the takeoff angle alone would be any aviation enthusiast dream. The birds of today are pretty generic in comparison.


This is it for me. The DC-9, 727 and TU-154 at takeoff made for a hell of a ride at times.
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:19 pm

exFWAOONW wrote:
They have a quiet first class as only the pilots are further away from the engines. In coach, with only two seats on one side, no dreaded middle seats for half the plane. When lightly loaded, there was a good chance of having an empty seat between you and your row-mate on the three-seat side.

Back in the day, they competed with 727s pax capacity-wise, with one less engine to feed and keep and one less person in the pointy end. That made them economical until engine technology moved on.


First Class on Delta was not so good. Four across seating felt crowded.

I agree with you about coach, as long as you're seated on the deuce side. Having an empty middles seat on three seat side is a rarity these days.
 
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Re: Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:28 pm

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Why the passion for the MD80's and 90's?


You might take into account the fact that they were never grounded.........

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