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enilria wrote:AA BOS-DCA APR 14>10[14]
JFK cuts have now been extended over a year. How long till somebody requires them to use their slots?
AA BOS-JFK APR 5>3[4]
AA BOS-LAX APR 5>4[6]
AA BOS-LGA APR 12>10[11]
AA BOS-ORD APR 9>7[7]
AA DCA-LGA APR 11>10[11]
AA BWI-JFK APR 4>1.0[1.0]
AA CLE-JFK APR 1.6>0[1.1]
AA CMH-JFK APR 1.8>1.0[1.0]
AA DCA-JFK APR 4>2[4]
AA DFW-JFK MAR 1.6>1.0[3] APR 4>2[3]
AA JFK-LAS MAR 0.2>0[2] APR 2>0.9[2]
AA JFK-ORD APR 3>0.9[1.9]
AA JFK-ORF APR 1.8>0.2[1.0]
AA JFK-PHL APR 4>0[1.0] MAY 5>4[0.1]
AA JFK-PIT APR 3>1.0[0.0]
AA JFK-RIC APR 3>1.2[0]
AA JFK-SAN MAR 0.5>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0.5[2.0]
AA JFK-YUL APR 1.8>1.0[2]
AA JFK-YYZ APR 1.6>0[2]
AS BOS-LAX JUN 1.4>1.0[1.8] JUL 2>1.0[2] AUG 1.5>1.0[1.8]
AS BOS-SEA JUN 3>4[3] JUL 3>4[3] AUG 3>4[3] SEP 3>4[3]
AS BWI-LAX SEP 0.7>1.0[1.0]
This looks like it might be gone forever after mid-August
*AS BWI-SAN AUG 1.0>0.5[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[0.9]
**AS FLL-LAX MAY 1.0>0.6[1.2] JUN 1.0>0[1.0] JUL 1.0>0[1.0] AUG 1.0>0[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[1.0]
AS LAS-LAX MAY 3>2[4] JUN 4>2[4] JUL 4>2[4] AUG 4>2[4] SEP 4>2[4]
AS LAS-SFO MAY 6>5[6] JUN 7>4[6] JUL 7>4[7] AUG 6>4[7] SEP 6>4[5]
AS MSY-SEA MAY 1.6>2[2] JUN 1.0>1.6[1.2]
SFO loses more of its East-West flights. Moves back toward North-South.
**AS MSY-SFO MAY 1.0>0.6[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0] JUL 1.0>0[1.0] AUG 1.0>0[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[1.0]
AS OAK-OGG AUG 0.8>0.6[1.0] SEP 1.0>0.6[1.0]
**AS OGG-SMF MAY 1.0>0.6[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0] JUL 1.0>0[1.0] AUG 1.0>0[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[1.0]
*AS SAN-SFO JUN 5>8[5] JUL 5>8[5] AUG 5>8[6] SEP 5>8[4]
**AS SAN-SLC MAY 1.0>0.6[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0] JUL 1.0>0[1.0] AUG 1.0>0[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[1.0]
AS SEA-SFO JUN 13>14[12] JUL 13>14[13] AUG 12>14[15]
AS SEA-SJC JUN 8>9[8] JUL 8>9[8] AUG 8>9[8] SEP 8>9[8]
*B6 BOS-LGA MAY 5>9[5] JUN 5>9[5] JUL 5>9[4] AUG 5>9[5] SEP 1.3>2[5]
FLL cutback to add BOS freq. Where did the other 2 rt slots come from?
*B6 FLL-LGA MAY 4>2[5] JUN 3>2[4] JUL 3>2[4] AUG 3>2[4] SEP 0.8>0.5[5]
B6 LGA-MCO MAY 3>2[4] JUN 3>2[4] JUL 3>2[4] AUG 3>2[4] SEP 0.8>0.5[4]
B6 LGA-PBI MAY 3>2[3] JUN 3>2[3] JUL 3>2[3] AUG 3>2[3] SEP 0.8>0.5[3]
DL BOS-MCO MAY 4>3[3] JUN 4>3[3] JUL 4>3[3] AUG 4>3[3] SEP 4>3[3]
MIflyer12 wrote:Are these the SFO flight cuts that support the contention posted a few days ago that AS was cutting SFO and returning to its SEA focus?
tphuang wrote:AS BOS-LAX JUN 1.4>1.0[1.8] JUL 2>1.0[2] AUG 1.5>1.0[1.8]
1x in the peak summer. How much longer is this route sticking around?
tphuang wrote:*AS BWI-SAN AUG 1.0>0.5[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[0.9]
not really a surprise on a hub to hub route for WN. I'm surprised BWI-LAX sticks around though
**AS FLL-LAX MAY 1.0>0.6[1.2] JUN 1.0>0[1.0] JUL 1.0>0[1.0] AUG 1.0>0[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[1.0]
tphuang wrote:AS LAS-LAX MAY 3>2[4] JUN 4>2[4] JUL 4>2[4] AUG 4>2[4] SEP 4>2[4]
AS LAS-SFO MAY 6>5[6] JUN 7>4[6] JUL 7>4[7] AUG 6>4[7] SEP 6>4[5]
Not a great sign for FF and LAX "hub" if the largest leisure destination is down to 2x daily and SFO is down to 4x daily.
tphuang wrote:AS MSY-SEA MAY 1.6>2[2] JUN 1.0>1.6[1.2]
SFO loses more of its East-West flights. Moves back toward North-South.
**AS MSY-SFO MAY 1.0>0.6[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0] JUL 1.0>0[1.0] AUG 1.0>0[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[1.0]
yep, all around cutting cali to support SEA. Pretty obvious strategy here. But if AS management feels like this will allow them to beat DL in SEA. Why not do this? These can all get added back if they don't have to worry about DL down the road.
tphuang wrote:AS OAK-OGG AUG 0.8>0.6[1.0] SEP 1.0>0.6[1.0]
**AS OGG-SMF MAY 1.0>0.6[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0] JUL 1.0>0[1.0] AUG 1.0>0[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[1.0]
what are the odds they stick around in the OAK/SMF-HI market? not good.
tphuang wrote:*AS SAN-SFO JUN 5>8[5] JUL 5>8[5] AUG 5>8[6] SEP 5>8[4]
**AS SAN-SLC MAY 1.0>0.6[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0] JUL 1.0>0[1.0] AUG 1.0>0[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[1.0]
interesting that they added frequency in both SAN/LAX-SFO and cut out SAN/LAX-SLC. Looks like they've given up on the idea of using SLC to retaliate against DL. I'm amazed it has lasted as long as it did.
tphuang wrote:DL BOS-MCO MAY 4>3[3] JUN 4>3[3] JUL 4>3[3] AUG 4>3[3] SEP 4>3[3]
remember that update where DL announced adding flights in the BOS-Florida market and PUJ? All have now been rolled back to previous levels aside from BOS-MIA. Not so easy competing with LCC/ULCCs in these Florida markets when you don't dominate the other end.
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enilria wrote:Having said that, AS is basically retreating from ambitions to be a national carrier and de facto building the case for a future merger with B6 which I am not a fan of, but seems more inevitable with each passing month.
Seat1F wrote:enilria wrote:Having said that, AS is basically retreating from ambitions to be a national carrier and de facto building the case for a future merger with B6 which I am not a fan of, but seems more inevitable with each passing month.
It's hard to see long-term viability for an airline that has a single large hub plus 1-2 focus cities all on the west coast. In addition to trying to keep gate space in SEA, these moves must be a precursor for some future strategic move. I agree the most likely scenario would be a tie-up with B6. How about a merger with WN? Not sure that would be allowed however.
As always, a great thread to see on Sunday morning. Thanks to you for your hard work!!
sxf24 wrote:Seat1F wrote:enilria wrote:Having said that, AS is basically retreating from ambitions to be a national carrier and de facto building the case for a future merger with B6 which I am not a fan of, but seems more inevitable with each passing month.
It's hard to see long-term viability for an airline that has a single large hub plus 1-2 focus cities all on the west coast. In addition to trying to keep gate space in SEA, these moves must be a precursor for some future strategic move. I agree the most likely scenario would be a tie-up with B6. How about a merger with WN? Not sure that would be allowed however.
As always, a great thread to see on Sunday morning. Thanks to you for your hard work!!
How is AS’ network structure unviable but B6’s is?
sxf24 wrote:Seat1F wrote:
It's hard to see long-term viability for an airline that has a single large hub plus 1-2 focus cities all on the west coast. In addition to trying to keep gate space in SEA, these moves must be a precursor for some future strategic move. I agree the most likely scenario would be a tie-up with B6. How about a merger with WN? Not sure that would be allowed however.
As always, a great thread to see on Sunday morning. Thanks to you for your hard work!!
How is AS’ network structure unviable but B6’s is?
whatusaid wrote:AS adds mainline on FAT-SEA with this schedule change.
Seat1F wrote:enilria wrote:Having said that, AS is basically retreating from ambitions to be a national carrier and de facto building the case for a future merger with B6 which I am not a fan of, but seems more inevitable with each passing month.
It's hard to see long-term viability for an airline that has a single large hub plus 1-2 focus cities all on the west coast. In addition to trying to keep gate space in SEA, these moves must be a precursor for some future strategic move. I agree the most likely scenario would be a tie-up with B6. How about a merger with WN? Not sure that would be allowed however.
As always, a great thread to see on Sunday morning. Thanks to you for your hard work!!
Seat1F wrote:sxf24 wrote:Seat1F wrote:
It's hard to see long-term viability for an airline that has a single large hub plus 1-2 focus cities all on the west coast. In addition to trying to keep gate space in SEA, these moves must be a precursor for some future strategic move. I agree the most likely scenario would be a tie-up with B6. How about a merger with WN? Not sure that would be allowed however.
As always, a great thread to see on Sunday morning. Thanks to you for your hard work!!
How is AS’ network structure unviable but B6’s is?
B6 has a lopsided route structure as well...although I think it is somewhat better than AS's network. Three major airport operations in BOS/JFK/FLL. Also the Mint product is far superior to any premium cabin offering that AS has.
enilria wrote:When Delta made the statement recently that 2020 growth would come mostly at core hubs I a) didn't believe it and b) wondered how that was possible with SEA/BOS/MIA needs. I'm shocked they have not announced MIA flights when it was heavily foreshadowed on the earnings call. "Have we put those in the schedule yet?"
tphuang wrote:enilria wrote:When Delta made the statement recently that 2020 growth would come mostly at core hubs I a) didn't believe it and b) wondered how that was possible with SEA/BOS/MIA needs. I'm shocked they have not announced MIA flights when it was heavily foreshadowed on the earnings call. "Have we put those in the schedule yet?"
I think DL just picked too many battles at the same time. AS has now adopted the most lopsided "defend one hub" strategy imaginable and B6 is adding up to 30% ASM at BOS YoY in Q3. All this while economy is slowing down, especially in the middle of the country where their most profitable hubs sit.
And the most important of their coastal hubs LAX is the one that has been neglected for a couple of years (due to terminal work I would imagine) and needs growth again.
Still kind of weird to me AS and B6 have not yet pursued a code share partnership. It would benefit both airlines tremendously.
hiflyeras wrote:AS has been around since 1932, has never declared bankruptcy and is one of the world's most consistently profitable airlines. We can debate the VX acquisition ad nauseum but I would never count AS out. Latest strategy is what they feel is required to keep the company successful. That usually means reductions in some markets and adding new ones...that's the airline industry in a nutshell. .
sxf24 wrote:tphuang wrote:enilria wrote:When Delta made the statement recently that 2020 growth would come mostly at core hubs I a) didn't believe it and b) wondered how that was possible with SEA/BOS/MIA needs. I'm shocked they have not announced MIA flights when it was heavily foreshadowed on the earnings call. "Have we put those in the schedule yet?"
I think DL just picked too many battles at the same time. AS has now adopted the most lopsided "defend one hub" strategy imaginable and B6 is adding up to 30% ASM at BOS YoY in Q3. All this while economy is slowing down, especially in the middle of the country where their most profitable hubs sit.
And the most important of their coastal hubs LAX is the one that has been neglected for a couple of years (due to terminal work I would imagine) and needs growth again.
Still kind of weird to me AS and B6 have not yet pursued a code share partnership. It would benefit both airlines tremendously.
How does a domestic codeshare benefit either airline?
jfrworld wrote:It's interesting to see AA continue to cut a key west coast trunk route - PHX-SFO. I've been flying this route for years and it's fluctuated between 4-5x per day on 321s and now down to 3x
Midwestindy wrote:Looks like some of the AS cuts are summer seasonal cuts FLL-LAX, PAE-PSP, MSY-SFO, & OGG-SMF.
tphuang wrote:AS OAK-OGG AUG 0.8>0.6[1.0] SEP 1.0>0.6[1.0]
**AS OGG-SMF MAY 1.0>0.6[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0] JUL 1.0>0[1.0] AUG 1.0>0[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[1.0]
what are the odds they stick around in the OAK/SMF-HI market? not good.
enilria wrote:
3M FLL-FPO FEB 2>0.8[3]
3M FLL-MHH FEB 3>0.7[3]
3M FLL-TCB FEB 0.8>0[1.0] MAR 1.3>1.0[1.3]
3M MCO-MHH FEB 0.8>0.2[0.7]
3M MCO-VPS FEB 0.6>0[0] MAR 1.0>0.8[0]
3M MHH-PBI FEB 0.6>0[0.9] MAR 1.0>0.8[1.0]
enilria wrote:
AF MIA-PTP JUL 0>0.3[0.1] AUG 0>0.3[0.2]
enilria wrote:
**AS LAX-SLC MAY 1.0>0.6[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0] JUL 1.0>0[1.0] AUG 1.0>0[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[1.0]
**AS SAN-SLC MAY 1.0>0.6[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0] JUL 1.0>0[1.0] AUG 1.0>0[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[1.0]
AirFiero wrote:hiflyeras wrote:AS has been around since 1932, has never declared bankruptcy and is one of the world's most consistently profitable airlines. We can debate the VX acquisition ad nauseum but I would never count AS out. Latest strategy is what they feel is required to keep the company successful. That usually means reductions in some markets and adding new ones...that's the airline industry in a nutshell. .
In the context of the current retrenchment, what if any benefits dies AS get from the ex-VX fleet aside from a nice warm set of engines?
tphuang wrote:sxf24 wrote:tphuang wrote:I think DL just picked too many battles at the same time. AS has now adopted the most lopsided "defend one hub" strategy imaginable and B6 is adding up to 30% ASM at BOS YoY in Q3. All this while economy is slowing down, especially in the middle of the country where their most profitable hubs sit.
And the most important of their coastal hubs LAX is the one that has been neglected for a couple of years (due to terminal work I would imagine) and needs growth again.
Still kind of weird to me AS and B6 have not yet pursued a code share partnership. It would benefit both airlines tremendously.
How does a domestic codeshare benefit either airline?
Aside from the feed? Now a ff can reach a city otherwise unserved. So it improves each network.
tsra wrote:AA ICT-PHX APR 1.0>0.2[0] MAY 0.2>0[0]
That didn't last long
BA wrote:PAE-PSP gets cut in late May, with AS adding a 2nd daily on PAE-SNA. It then returns in early October with PAE-SNA going back down to 1x daily.
AS is capped at 18 flights a day at PAE, so it has to strategically make the best use of its frequencies. Considering the winter seasonal nature of PSP, it makes sense to deploy the aircraft elsewhere in the summer time.
BA744PHX wrote:tsra wrote:AA ICT-PHX APR 1.0>0.2[0] MAY 0.2>0[0]
That didn't last long
Seasonal route which was launched with 6 others on 12/18 and end date 04/06, this was the only one outside of COS with a further end date
ASFlyer wrote:whatusaid wrote:AS adds mainline on FAT-SEA with this schedule change.
Also on SEA-BZN/MSO/BIL
bpat777 wrote:Seat1F wrote:sxf24 wrote:
How is AS’ network structure unviable but B6’s is?
B6 has a lopsided route structure as well...although I think it is somewhat better than AS's network. Three major airport operations in BOS/JFK/FLL. Also the Mint product is far superior to any premium cabin offering that AS has.
When a noreaster or line of thunderstorms hits the east coast B6's operation goes to HELL and back. SEA usually doesn't have those year round weather concerns.
Midwestindy wrote:LAX772LR wrote:Midwestindy wrote:Looks like some of the AS cuts are summer seasonal cuts FLL-LAX, PAE-PSP, MSY-SFO, & OGG-SMF.
How can you tell with those?
Wouldn't anything showing in the schedules past August be more likely spaceholders than anything?
If they were going to completely cut a route, why would they leave certain dates in the schedule, I have hardly ever seen an airline do that.
LAX772LR wrote:Midwestindy wrote:LAX772LR wrote:How can you tell with those?
Wouldn't anything showing in the schedules past August be more likely spaceholders than anything?
If they were going to completely cut a route, why would they leave certain dates in the schedule, I have hardly ever seen an airline do that.
By certain dates, what do you mean?
Are you seeing dates after service is showing 0, but before August, that they're showing? Or do you just mean after August?