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Cessna SkyCourier Development and Testing Thread

Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:32 am

Textron Aviation have mated the wings on the fuselage of their first SkyCourier prototype.....

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https://www.flightglobal.com/business-a ... 96.article

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"Textron Aviation has mated the wings to the fuselage of the first Cessna SkyCourier twin-engined turboprop in what it describes as a 'key milestone in the development of the clean-sheet aircraft'. First flight is pegged for 2020.

Textron says SkyCourier development is 'progressing considerably', with the assembly of the prototype and additional five flight and ground test articles. 'Landing gear testing continues, as well as avionics ground testing,' it adds.

Powered by Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A-65SC-turboprops, the SkyCourier will be offered in various configurations including freighter, passenger or combi - all based on a 'common platform' with a 2,720kh (6,000lb) payload.

In its freighter configuration, the high-wing SkyCourier is designed to accommodate three standard air cargo containers (LD3), with a 2.21m-wide outward-opening door for easy loading and unloading.

The passenger variant carries up to 19 people, while the combi version is capable of carrying both cargo and nine passengers."



As the only new, clean-sheet 19-seat turboprop in development, this has the makings of an economical all-around workhorse in addition to its main cargo role. Could be in demand for a lot of places. Clear, full-screen video a bonus. :bigthumbsup:
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Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:06 am

It will be a good freight workhorse. Not sure about its pax prospects as it is unpressurized, but probably excellent between islands or similar where a plane is needed but not much range. Nice to see it coming together.

https://cessna.txtav.com/en/turboprop/skycourier
 
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Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:53 pm

JayinKitsap wrote:
Not sure about its pax prospects as it is unpressurized, but probably excellent between islands or similar where a plane is needed but not much range.

The corporate types in business suits and high heels on your link's banner image are a bit off-character for the SkyCourier's potential users. Rather than briefcases and rollaboards -- backpacks, sneakers, flip plops, cutoffs and Tees are more the order of the day. :cool2: With a 740 km full pax range and FL25 service ceiling, I see it more widely applicable in paramilitary roles or leisure/adventure charters to complement regularly scheduled airlines. For example, most out-of-the-way tourists destinations from MNL and CRK are within the SkyCourier's reach. A good replacement for the old L-410s, Do328s, Caravans, Islanders and Twotters that used to ply those routes..... :sun: .....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3ARB8fjnkY


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Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:52 pm

The explosion in Textron Aviation's facilities where they assemble the SkyCourier can only be described as a huge setback for the program.....

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... fabricated


Any news update about its 2020 prototype manufacturing recovery plan and the impact on its certification campaign and predicted deliveries to FX :?:
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Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:12 pm

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... -explosion

Probably a small delay due to needing to secure the facility and work on alternative plans to continue forward, but nothing catastrophic.
 
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Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:26 pm

Devilfish wrote:
As the only new, clean-sheet 19-seat turboprop in development, this has the makings of an economical all-around workhorse in addition to its main cargo role. Could be in demand for a lot of places. Clear, full-screen video a bonus. :bigthumbsup:


The Chinese do have a Y-12F aircraft also being developed:

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Tue Dec 31, 2019 6:08 pm

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The Chinese do have a Y-12F aircraft also being developed:

Except that it is not a clean-sheet, from-the-ground-up design...granted that a lot of the components were upgraded.....



Wonder why it has taken too long in development and not made significant inroads in sales :?: They even have a VIP version yet the prop blade count was not quite accurate. They should have named the plane differently...though I guess that would've had an adverse impact on the type's certification. :scratchchin:


Comparatively, there's the LET 410NG of similar characteristics.
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Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:22 pm

Any update on the program, expected rollout? Especially after the explosion...
 
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Any update on the program, expected rollout? Especially after the explosion...

Latest update.....

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/skyco ... 81.article

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However, it's not certain how the current upheaval in the industry would impact the project. :sigh:
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Sun May 17, 2020 9:19 pm

A positive news, very welcome at the moment.
Nice that the first wasn't postponed too much after the fire at the plant and then the covid.
Hope this program is successful beyond Fedex, and the aircraft is used for passenger services as well.
 
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Sun May 17, 2020 9:38 pm

What a neat little plane. Indeed, I hope this bird will succeed in passenger services aswell! Maybe as a competitor to the Viking Air Twin Otter...?
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This is great news. I'm very excited for the SkyCourier. In many ways, a modern DC-3. Albeit, with less range (appropriate for how the market matured). OK, 5,000 lb of cargo versus the DC-3s 6,000 and less cabin volume. However, for cargo, I see it filling the role of the DC-3.

I see the excitement for passengers. I can see Skydiving and a few island operations, what I cannot see is a reason to buy the SkyCourier over another turboprop. In particular a used turboprop. I hope to be proven wrong.

As to the Chinese competition, the MA-60/600 were bad products.

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What a neat little plane. Indeed, I hope this bird will succeed in passenger services aswell! Maybe as a competitor to the Viking Air Twin Otter...?


Considering Viking Air has delivered half the frames of what they originally projected, not sure the Twin Otter needs competition. Fine airplane that both are, we’ll see.
 
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Sun May 17, 2020 11:42 pm

Great to see it make its first flight. Agree, this would be great for island hopping - coukd see it replacing twin otters on the Highland flights in Scotland and possibly also the Sky Bus flights operating to the Scilly Isles.

There's a video if the first flight on YouTube and some air to air footage. Looks cool, and great to see the first flight of a new aircraft.

https://youtu.be/uGcKM669tP4

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citationjet wrote:

This is great news. I'm very excited for the SkyCourier. In many ways, a modern DC-3. Albeit, with less range (appropriate for how the market matured). OK, 5,000 lb of cargo versus the DC-3s 6,000 and less cabin volume. However, for cargo, I see it filling the role of the DC-3.

I see the excitement for passengers. I can see Skydiving and a few island operations, what I cannot see is a reason to buy the SkyCourier over another turboprop. In particular a used turboprop. I hope to be proven wrong.

As to the Chinese competition, the MA-60/600 were bad products.

Lightsaber

Cessna quotes 6000 pound payload in cargo service. This is stepping in as it has similar weight capacity but higher volume than the B1900 and SW4. While workhorses, they won’t fly forever and a few get written off every year. Capacity is definitely geared for e-commerce and it’s the only small freighter that can load containers.
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Mon May 18, 2020 12:44 am

I am really surprised. I have never expected, that they will get the clean sheet prototype so fast into the air, as the assembly has started only few month ago.

Seems I have expected something like the Indonesian Aerospace N219. First flight was 2017, only two prototypes and the certification is still ongoing. Program start 2011, first roll out 2015, first flight 2017....
 
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Mon May 18, 2020 3:39 am

I'm curious as to how it will behave internationally in relation to the Do228NG which seems to be aimed at the same segment.
 
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Mon May 18, 2020 4:35 am

It's noteworthy that this aircraft continues the Cessna tradition of wing braces. Anyway, a versatile aircraft such as this should do well.
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Mon May 18, 2020 7:49 am

FedEX Fleet (from wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FedEx_Express )

Airbus A300-600RF 64 — Largest Airbus A300 operator. Includes the last Airbus A300 ever built, N692FE

Boeing 757-200SF 114 — Largest operator of the Boeing 757-200SF
Boeing 767-300F 86 + 48 on order Largest operator of the Boeing 767-300F
Boeing 777F 43 + 15 on order Additional aircraft to be delivered between 2019 and 2023.

McDonnell Douglas MD-10-10F 12
McDonnell Douglas MD-10-30F 13
McDonnell Douglas MD-11F 53


Feeder Contracted Services
ATR 42-300F 25 —
ATR 72-200F 21 —
ATR 72-600F — 30 Launch customer Deliveries begin in 2020 at about 6/year in 21 on.
Cessna 208B Super Cargomaster 238 —
Cessna 408 SkyCourier — 50 Launch customer Deliveries begin in 2020


FedEX has not ordered the Do228NG. But they have ordered 30 ATR 72-600F in 11/17 for deliveries starting 2020
The ATR 72-600F features a class E main cabin for cargo operations, and will support both bulk cargo and Unit Load Device (ULD) configurations. The ATR 72-600F has a bulk capacity of 74.6 m3, and when in ULD mode, can accommodate up to seven LD3 containers, or five 88” x 108”, or nine 88” x 62” pallets. The aircraft is also equipped with new reinforced floor panels.

http://www.atraircraft.com/newsroom/pre ... 63-en.html
http://www.atraircraft.com/products/ATR-72-600F.html

The Dornier 228NG looks good but it is longer and narrower, only 2 across not 3. I can't tell what their production levels have been since restarting production in 2010. I would assume that FedEX looked at it. The SkyCourier looks quite basic, basically a 2 engine 208B, which FedEX has been flying a long, long time (1986). The 208B has produced 2,600 since 1982

I would say there is some urgency with the program if first flight was on a Sunday. It may also be an emptier airfield. Original delivery date is 2020 so with 6 in the certification fleet I would say the test flight program will be in the thick of things soon. I think this plane will do quite well.

https://issuu.com/ruagcom/docs/dornier2 ... let_online
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Mon May 18, 2020 8:37 am

Devilfish wrote:
Textron Aviation have mated the wings on the fuselage of their first SkyCourier prototype.....

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https://d3lcr32v2pp4l1.cloudfront.net/P ... 368004.jpg

https://www.flightglobal.com/business-a ... 96.article

Quote:
"Textron Aviation has mated the wings to the fuselage of the first Cessna SkyCourier twin-engined turboprop in what it describes as a 'key milestone in the development of the clean-sheet aircraft'. First flight is pegged for 2020.

Textron says SkyCourier development is 'progressing considerably', with the assembly of the prototype and additional five flight and ground test articles. 'Landing gear testing continues, as well as avionics ground testing,' it adds.

Powered by Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A-65SC-turboprops, the SkyCourier will be offered in various configurations including freighter, passenger or combi - all based on a 'common platform' with a 2,720kh (6,000lb) payload.

In its freighter configuration, the high-wing SkyCourier is designed to accommodate three standard air cargo containers (LD3), with a 2.21m-wide outward-opening door for easy loading and unloading.

The passenger variant carries up to 19 people, while the combi version is capable of carrying both cargo and nine passengers."



As the only new, clean-sheet 19-seat turboprop in development, this has the makings of an economical all-around workhorse in addition to its main cargo role. Could be in demand for a lot of places. Clear, full-screen video a bonus. :bigthumbsup:



I share enthousiam for this design. It seems a very usefull down to earth design, with many applications in developped regions, rural areas, defense, third world, regional cargo etc.

Standard PT6 engines, simple fixed landing gears, engine redundancy, LD3 competible, big wing, roomy cabin, proven wide spread G1000 cockpit; it ticks many boxes.

Thousands could be sold for decades. Maybe, if Devilfish agrees, we can change the threads title to "Cessna SkyCourier Development & Testing"

Another video on first flight. (47 views so far) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGfxzbe_V5I

Good news is sparse. The test pilot appreciates a good meal :wink2:

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Mon May 18, 2020 2:38 pm

Glad to see the new Cessna is up in the air. It already has the potential of replacing the majority of FEDEX'S caravans. Small cargo operators, island hopping and para-military usage are all fields where this could shine. Possible USAF interest for SOCOM requirements, foreign nation training etc.
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Assuming FedEx uses the LD3 capacity, it will help them immensely in sort times, in moving from the jet to the small feed planes. Very well could allow them to move back last shipment times for air in the outlying small towns in some places.
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The flight suits seem a tad gimmicky.
 
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I am really surprised. I have never expected, that they will get the clean sheet prototype so fast into the air, as the assembly has started only few month ago.

Seems I have expected something like the Indonesian Aerospace N219. First flight was 2017, only two prototypes and the certification is still ongoing. Program start 2011, first roll out 2015, first flight 2017....


Your comparing something built in Indonesia vs a Cessna product?

Nothing moves quickly in Indonesia and Cessna has been doing this a LONG time. Not sure what would make you think this :)
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T4thH wrote:
I am really surprised. I have never expected, that they will get the clean sheet prototype so fast into the air, as the assembly has started only few month ago.

Seems I have expected something like the Indonesian Aerospace N219. First flight was 2017, only two prototypes and the certification is still ongoing. Program start 2011, first roll out 2015, first flight 2017....


Your comparing something built in Indonesia vs a Cessna product?

Nothing moves quickly in Indonesia and Cessna has been doing this a LONG time. Not sure what would make you think this :)


Yes, as I did not want to be so bad , to compare it with a product from Japan...with program start 2008, roll out 2014, first flight 2015...and first delivery in 3025... as Z900000 :hissyfit:
 
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citationjet wrote:

This is great news. I'm very excited for the SkyCourier. In many ways, a modern DC-3. Albeit, with less range (appropriate for how the market matured). OK, 5,000 lb of cargo versus the DC-3s 6,000 and less cabin volume. However, for cargo, I see it filling the role of the DC-3.

I see the excitement for passengers. I can see Skydiving and a few island operations, what I cannot see is a reason to buy the SkyCourier over another turboprop. In particular a used turboprop. I hope to be proven wrong.

As to the Chinese competition, the MA-60/600 were bad products.

Lightsaber

If Textron doesn't get greedy and screw this up, they have the potential to sell THOUSANDS of these.
There is a pent-up demand for 19 seaters and small cargo planes worldwide. Now that the pilot shortage has ABRUPTLY ended, this could even see widespread passenger service in the US. The quick-change ability is a major selling point, boosting productivity.
Cessna seems to be sticking to the KISS principle (Keep It Simple, Stupid!) with it, so that makes for a potential winner in the export markets as well.
 
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lightsaber wrote:
citationjet wrote:

This is great news. I'm very excited for the SkyCourier. In many ways, a modern DC-3. Albeit, with less range (appropriate for how the market matured). OK, 5,000 lb of cargo versus the DC-3s 6,000 and less cabin volume. However, for cargo, I see it filling the role of the DC-3.

I see the excitement for passengers. I can see Skydiving and a few island operations, what I cannot see is a reason to buy the SkyCourier over another turboprop. In particular a used turboprop. I hope to be proven wrong.

As to the Chinese competition, the MA-60/600 were bad products.

Lightsaber

If Textron doesn't get greedy and screw this up, they have the potential to sell THOUSANDS of these.
There is a pent-up demand for 19 seaters and small cargo planes worldwide. Now that the pilot shortage has ABRUPTLY ended, this could even see widespread passenger service in the US. The quick-change ability is a major selling point, boosting productivity.
Cessna seems to be sticking to the KISS principle (Keep It Simple, Stupid!) with it, so that makes for a potential winner in the export markets as well.


Not a chance of this thing flying pax in the US. Even with zero labor costs, 19 seats is not profitable under 121 regs, it's very simple.
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Mon May 18, 2020 7:29 pm

lightsaber wrote:
citationjet wrote:

This is great news. I'm very excited for the SkyCourier. In many ways, a modern DC-3. Albeit, with less range (appropriate for how the market matured). OK, 5,000 lb of cargo versus the DC-3s 6,000 and less cabin volume. However, for cargo, I see it filling the role of the DC-3.

I see the excitement for passengers. I can see Skydiving and a few island operations, what I cannot see is a reason to buy the SkyCourier over another turboprop. In particular a used turboprop. I hope to be proven wrong.

As to the Chinese competition, the MA-60/600 were bad products.

Lightsaber


There really are no used turboprops available in the west. They are all largely run out, and not a consideration for most ops where reliability and efficiency is a key concern.

ATR's and Q400's are high-cost beasts to operate, and too large for the segment this is targeting. EMB's, Beech's, Saab's and Short's are all pushing 25 yrs+ old now, with all of the issues that come along with that.
 
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FlyingElvii wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
This is great news. I'm very excited for the SkyCourier. In many ways, a modern DC-3. Albeit, with less range (appropriate for how the market matured). OK, 5,000 lb of cargo versus the DC-3s 6,000 and less cabin volume. However, for cargo, I see it filling the role of the DC-3.

I see the excitement for passengers. I can see Skydiving and a few island operations, what I cannot see is a reason to buy the SkyCourier over another turboprop. In particular a used turboprop. I hope to be proven wrong.

As to the Chinese competition, the MA-60/600 were bad products.

Lightsaber

If Textron doesn't get greedy and screw this up, they have the potential to sell THOUSANDS of these.
There is a pent-up demand for 19 seaters and small cargo planes worldwide. Now that the pilot shortage has ABRUPTLY ended, this could even see widespread passenger service in the US. The quick-change ability is a major selling point, boosting productivity.
Cessna seems to be sticking to the KISS principle (Keep It Simple, Stupid!) with it, so that makes for a potential winner in the export markets as well.


Not a chance of this thing flying pax in the US. Even with zero labor costs, 19 seats is not profitable under 121 regs, it's very simple.


I am not sure if you have noticed, but the economics of it all just changed dramatically.
 
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FlyingElvii wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
FlyingElvii wrote:
If Textron doesn't get greedy and screw this up, they have the potential to sell THOUSANDS of these.
There is a pent-up demand for 19 seaters and small cargo planes worldwide. Now that the pilot shortage has ABRUPTLY ended, this could even see widespread passenger service in the US. The quick-change ability is a major selling point, boosting productivity.
Cessna seems to be sticking to the KISS principle (Keep It Simple, Stupid!) with it, so that makes for a potential winner in the export markets as well.


Not a chance of this thing flying pax in the US. Even with zero labor costs, 19 seats is not profitable under 121 regs, it's very simple.


I am not sure if you have noticed, but the economics of it all just changed dramatically.


The economics of running a 121 certificate haven't. It won't happen, period, full stop. There isn't enough revenue from 19 seats to cover the costs of operating the airline, let alone direct operating costs and maybe a profit.
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FlyingElvii wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:

Not a chance of this thing flying pax in the US. Even with zero labor costs, 19 seats is not profitable under 121 regs, it's very simple.


I am not sure if you have noticed, but the economics of it all just changed dramatically.


The economics of running a 121 certificate haven't. It won't happen, period, full stop. There isn't enough revenue from 19 seats to cover the costs of operating the airline, let alone direct operating costs and maybe a profit.


Enough is this full stop business. Alaska has several passenger Twin Otters in revenue service.

There wont be many flying in passenger revenue service, but staying that they're still be absolutely none is absurd.
 
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DiamondFlyer wrote:
FlyingElvii wrote:

I am not sure if you have noticed, but the economics of it all just changed dramatically.


The economics of running a 121 certificate haven't. It won't happen, period, full stop. There isn't enough revenue from 19 seats to cover the costs of operating the airline, let alone direct operating costs and maybe a profit.


Enough is this full stop business. Alaska has several passenger Twin Otters in revenue service.

There wont be many flying in passenger revenue service, but staying that they're still be absolutely none is absurd.


PLENTY of dual-use possibilities increasing the possibilitiesfor this aircraft.
 
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Mon May 18, 2020 8:11 pm

FG ( https://www.flightglobal.com/business-a ... 18.article ) has a nice article on first flight, complete with picture sourced from Textron:

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Lots of glowing praise from test pilot and CEO, as expected.

Ends with:

Textron Aviation says it designed the unpressurised aircraft for “high utilisation”, and to deliver “a combination of robust performance and lower operating costs”.

The Garmin G1000 NXi-equipped SkyCourier has a maximum cruise speed of up to 200kt (370km/h), and a maximum range of 920nm (1,700km). Both freighter and passenger variants will offer single-point pressure refuelling to “enable faster turnarounds”.

Draper says the SkyCourier will be an “excellent product in its segment due to its combination of cabin flexibility, payload capability, superior performance and low operating costs. Our customers will be very pleased with what they experience from this aircraft.”

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The flight suits seem a tad gimmicky.


I didn’t see any crews, but wearing military style flight suits is pretty standard among flight test crews.
 
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Re: Cessna SkyCourier Development and Testing Thread

Mon May 18, 2020 8:38 pm

Kind of amazing that Cessna has not released a single image of what the cockpit of this aircraft looks like. Have never seen that in any other program.
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Re: Cessna SkyCourier Development and Testing Thread

Mon May 18, 2020 8:46 pm

Revelation wrote:
FG ( https://www.flightglobal.com/business-a ... 18.article ) has a nice article on first flight, complete with picture sourced from Textron:

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Lots of glowing praise from test pilot and CEO, as expected.

Ends with:

Textron Aviation says it designed the unpressurised aircraft for “high utilisation”, and to deliver “a combination of robust performance and lower operating costs”.

The Garmin G1000 NXi-equipped SkyCourier has a maximum cruise speed of up to 200kt (370km/h), and a maximum range of 920nm (1,700km). Both freighter and passenger variants will offer single-point pressure refuelling to “enable faster turnarounds”.

Draper says the SkyCourier will be an “excellent product in its segment due to its combination of cabin flexibility, payload capability, superior performance and low operating costs. Our customers will be very pleased with what they experience from this aircraft.”

I wish them well.


The unpressured fuselage and significant range (1,700km, conditions unclear) make it suitable for many other roles, like the similar configured Dorniers, that found their way in many roles / versions.

Unpressured fusealge, makes it way easier to make versions, future modifications, holes (sensors, retractable landing gear, domes, doors, fish eye windows) or extension, (FWD radar nose, stretches, side looking radar). Drag isn't much of on issue in its limited speed envelope.

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Re: Cessna SkyCourier Development and Testing Thread

Mon May 18, 2020 9:22 pm

A passenger version of this could work well for regional routes in places like NZ. Especially if it's cheaper to operate than say a B1900D
 
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Re: Cessna SkyCourier Development and Testing Thread

Mon May 18, 2020 10:22 pm

I also wonder how this might work in Alaska or the Canadian north if a quick-change option is provided---passenger one day, LD3 the next. This would compete against new- or zero-time refurbished Twin Otters. This is where it really helps having input from a large customer with respect to the design.
 
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Re: Cessna SkyCourier Development and Testing Thread

Mon May 18, 2020 11:41 pm

alberchico wrote:
Kind of amazing that Cessna has not released a single image of what the cockpit of this aircraft looks like. Have never seen that in any other program.

Based on the excerpt in #34, the SkyCourier will use the Garmin 1000NXi avionics suite.....

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Re: Cessna SkyCourier Development and Testing Thread

Tue May 19, 2020 12:24 am

Or this version perhaps for the passenger variant.....?

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Re: Cessna SkyCourier Development and Testing Thread

Tue May 19, 2020 12:34 am

alberchico wrote:
Kind of amazing that Cessna has not released a single image of what the cockpit of this aircraft looks like. Have never seen that in any other program.

Garmin G1000, Garmin radios.
Simple, easy to use, and not flashy. Not much to glitz over.
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Re: Cessna SkyCourier Development and Testing Thread

Tue May 19, 2020 12:41 am

Great looking aircraft. The fact that it's not pressurized is even more awesome. That's the best part of flying airplanes: Low and slow.
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Re: Cessna SkyCourier Development and Testing Thread

Tue May 19, 2020 12:42 am

ZaphodHarkonnen wrote:
A passenger version of this could work well for regional routes in places like NZ. Especially if it's cheaper to operate than say a B1900D


But of course it's 100mph slower than the B1900D. That could make a difference in total operating cost. Also, unpressurized is a limitation in pax service.
 
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Re: Cessna SkyCourier Development and Testing Thread

Tue May 19, 2020 1:46 am

wjcandee wrote:
ZaphodHarkonnen wrote:
A passenger version of this could work well for regional routes in places like NZ. Especially if it's cheaper to operate than say a B1900D


But of course it's 100mph slower than the B1900D. That could make a difference in total operating cost. Also, unpressurized is a limitation in pax service.

Not as much as you would think. The B99, the 1900 predecessor, was still around in cargo service until just a couple of years ago.
It does make weather more of an issue, however.
 
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Re: Cessna SkyCourier Development and Testing Thread

Tue May 19, 2020 1:56 am

wjcandee wrote:
ZaphodHarkonnen wrote:
A passenger version of this could work well for regional routes in places like NZ. Especially if it's cheaper to operate than say a B1900D


But of course it's 100mph slower than the B1900D. That could make a difference in total operating cost. Also, unpressurized is a limitation in pax service.


Over the routes it's likely to fly in places like NZ the speed difference is less important than turnaround time or maintenance cost.
 
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Re: Cessna SkyCourier Development and Testing Thread

Tue May 19, 2020 2:28 am

FlyingElvii wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
ZaphodHarkonnen wrote:
A passenger version of this could work well for regional routes in places like NZ. Especially if it's cheaper to operate than say a B1900D


But of course it's 100mph slower than the B1900D. That could make a difference in total operating cost. Also, unpressurized is a limitation in pax service.

Not as much as you would think. The B99, the 1900 predecessor, was still around in cargo service until just a couple of years ago.
It does make weather more of an issue, however.


There's still hundreds of 99's flying cargo in the US today.
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Re: Cessna SkyCourier Development and Testing Thread

Tue May 19, 2020 2:46 am

It is a fresh, new design in a market that doesn't have a ton of fresh and new. It looks like a fun plane to fly! Hopefully, it performs better than spec and can use it's time as a workhorse for FEDEX to spring board into other things.
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Re: Cessna SkyCourier Development and Testing Thread

Tue May 19, 2020 3:01 am

FlyingElvii wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
ZaphodHarkonnen wrote:
A passenger version of this could work well for regional routes in places like NZ. Especially if it's cheaper to operate than say a B1900D


But of course it's 100mph slower than the B1900D. That could make a difference in total operating cost. Also, unpressurized is a limitation in pax service.

Not as much as you would think. The B99, the 1900 predecessor, was still around in cargo service until just a couple of years ago.
It does make weather more of an issue, however.


Ameriflight's website says they still have 52 Beech 99s in its fleet. There are three 99s in the air right now.
 
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Re: Cessna SkyCourier Development and Testing Thread

Tue May 19, 2020 3:37 am

“Not a chance of this thing flying pax in the US. Even with zero labor costs, 19 seats is not profitable under 121 regs, it's very simple.”

At least one us “airline” is managing to fly 29 pax scheduled ops under 135 (ie 250 hour copilots).

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