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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:27 pm

Great apologies! It was, and still is, Thursday and SUNDAY!
 
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Sun Dec 29, 2019 1:08 am

Crosswind wrote:
DIJKKIJK wrote:
Yes, as does the B4.


Not all of them. The later ones produced had the option of a 2 crew cockpit. I believe the ones delivered to Finnair and Garuda Indonesia had this option, plus possibly others. Designated the A300B4-200FF (for forward facing cockpit)

Lead in to the A300-600 and A310, but the A300FF still had analogue instruments, no CRTs, but no flight engineer either

CROSSWIND

Is it possible to convert a A300B2 into a A300B2-200FF? This would allow Iran Air to save on crew costs. Would Airbus perform this modification if Iran Air paid for the certification? This plane was delivered by Airbus directly to Iran Air.

Ansett Australia converted several 767-200s into a forward-facing cockpit.

Have any A300B2s ever been converted to freighters?
 
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:32 pm

747classic wrote:
Nice to see my former " working place " during 2003-2006 with Martinair, is still operated with Iran Air.

747-200C F/E panel in perfect optical shape.

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Maybe some parcel/ cargo operators I've seen should send their "mature" frames to Iran for an extensive facelift. :duck:
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:46 pm

Philippine747 wrote:
Antaras wrote:
The best thing they can do is leasing or even purchasing airframes, they need to find some lessors/frames' owners which are not based in Western countries (some Asian lessors such as CALC, ICBC and SALE).


Wouldn't work that way. Any leasing company that directly does business with any Iranian carrier can say goodbye to doing any business with any United States company due to export controls/sanctions. Even if the lessor tried to acquire an Airbus/Bombardier/Embraer, the U.S. can block its export since a sizable part of the aircraft contains American-made components (there is a cap to how much U.S. parts can be put in before export controls take effect IIRC).


Pretty easy to work around.
Just put up a shell company in a country that doesn't work together with the US buy some planes, when the planes is on ground sell or lease them to Iran and then shut down the company. Been done before
 
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Mon Dec 30, 2019 3:06 pm

fessor wrote:
Philippine747 wrote:
Antaras wrote:
The best thing they can do is leasing or even purchasing airframes, they need to find some lessors/frames' owners which are not based in Western countries (some Asian lessors such as CALC, ICBC and SALE).


Wouldn't work that way. Any leasing company that directly does business with any Iranian carrier can say goodbye to doing any business with any United States company due to export controls/sanctions. Even if the lessor tried to acquire an Airbus/Bombardier/Embraer, the U.S. can block its export since a sizable part of the aircraft contains American-made components (there is a cap to how much U.S. parts can be put in before export controls take effect IIRC).


Pretty easy to work around.
Just put up a shell company in a country that doesn't work together with the US buy some planes, when the planes is on ground sell or lease them to Iran and then shut down the company. Been done before



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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:45 pm

I think that Iran played a stupid game when they could purchase planes a few years ago. They should have tried to getearly A380 andA330 deliveries instead of starting to delay negotiations. Now they are back where they started.
 
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:03 pm

olle wrote:
I think that Iran played a stupid game when they could purchase planes a few years ago. They should have tried to getearly A380 andA330 deliveries instead of starting to delay negotiations. Now they are back where they started.


Why on earth would Iran Air need A380s?
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:16 pm

Had a 1982 trip to Disney on an Eastern A300. Wondering if this is the same type (?)
 
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:13 pm

TYWoolman wrote:
Had a 1982 trip to Disney on an Eastern A300. Wondering if this is the same type (?)


Airbus A300B4 starting in '77

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Air_Lines#Fleet

First B4-200FF went to Garuda in 1982 apparently.
first B4-200 in 1980 to Hapag Loyd.

Thus Eastern must have taken A300-B4-100 into their fleet.
Wasn't Eastern's A300 the snowball that in a way avalanced Airbus in the US ?
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:11 pm

WIederling wrote:
TYWoolman wrote:
Had a 1982 trip to Disney on an Eastern A300. Wondering if this is the same type (?)


Airbus A300B4 starting in '77

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Air_Lines#Fleet

First B4-200FF went to Garuda in 1982 apparently.
first B4-200 in 1980 to Hapag Loyd.

Thus Eastern must have taken A300-B4-100 into their fleet.
Wasn't Eastern's A300 the snowball that in a way avalanced Airbus in the US ?


Thought so. Thanks for investigating. Eastern did start it all. Then it was a PanAm A320 order that never panned out, went to Braniff, and that never panned out. Northwest's A320 order, A330 and A340 (A340s cancelled), PanAm's A310, American's A300-600R and the rest is history in the making.

Continental and PanAm had A300s also.
 
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:20 pm

WIederling wrote:
Wasn't Eastern's A300 the snowball that in a way avalanced Airbus in the US ?


Yup. Four A300B4-100s leased with special financial conditions from Airbus in 1977. They may have had the the Kruger flaps to operate out of LGA.
 
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:29 pm

Based on data from Skyliner, it appears that someone on Iran might have got hand of some more old A310s

Airbus A310 -325 644 EY-707 Asian Express Airline ferried 23jan20 TAS-THR ex UK31002
Airbus A310 -324 706 EY-704 Asian Express Airline ferried 23jan20 THR-IKA ex UK31003
 
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:58 pm

Someone83 wrote:
Based on data from Skyliner, it appears that someone on Iran might have got hand of some more old A310s

Airbus A310 -325 644 EY-707 Asian Express Airline ferried 23jan20 TAS-THR ex UK31002
Airbus A310 -324 706 EY-704 Asian Express Airline ferried 23jan20 THR-IKA ex UK31003


A310-300s have excellent range. Over 5,100 nautical miles for a 215-seater is the best. I think that is better than the A321LR. Iran should be very happy.
 
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:30 am

Philippine747 wrote:
Antaras wrote:
The best thing they can do is leasing or even purchasing airframes, they need to find some lessors/frames' owners which are not based in Western countries (some Asian lessors such as CALC, ICBC and SALE).


Wouldn't work that way. Any leasing company that directly does business with any Iranian carrier can say goodbye to doing any business with any United States company due to export controls/sanctions. Even if the lessor tried to acquire an Airbus/Bombardier/Embraer, the U.S. can block its export since a sizable part of the aircraft contains American-made components (there is a cap to how much U.S. parts can be put in before export controls take effect IIRC).

There are a few shady characters who have been able to get around the US export restrictions by transferring ownership through a series of shell companies especially from countries that don't give much of a damn what the US thinks about it, I would suspect we might see some ex Russian or Chinese frames end up in Iran over the next few years especially after they got control over a lot of their overseas assets back
 
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:40 am

Is " Asian Express Airline " just a paper airline to front the real operator of these two A310's or an actual new Iranian carrier ?
 
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:24 am

I found this on the Airbus site

Today, a third of Airbus’ customers operate A300/A310 Family aircraft as part of a wider Airbus fleet and more than 200 of the 650 aircraft currently flying with some 80 operators will still be in service in 2025. The A300/A310 Long Term Support team will ensure that maximum customer satisfaction is maintained throughout the lifecycle of the A300/A310 Family.


And I very much doubt that they reverse engineer spares.
Licensed Aircraft Maintenance Engineer (retired).
 
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:55 am

blacksoviet wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
Based on data from Skyliner, it appears that someone on Iran might have got hand of some more old A310s

Airbus A310 -325 644 EY-707 Asian Express Airline ferried 23jan20 TAS-THR ex UK31002
Airbus A310 -324 706 EY-704 Asian Express Airline ferried 23jan20 THR-IKA ex UK31003


A310-300s have excellent range. Over 5,100 nautical miles for a 215-seater is the best. I think that is better than the A321LR. Iran should be very happy.


I doubt they are bought for the range

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