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Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:21 am

Serial Number 80, EP-IBS was delivered in February, 1980.
Which other airlines are still operating A300B2s?

Is this the oldest widebody in commercial passenger service?

The A300B2 entered revenue service in May 1974 between Paris and London.
 
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Mon Dec 23, 2019 7:27 am

This is the sole A300B2 left in service. Could be the oldest widebody in passemger service.
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Mon Dec 23, 2019 7:49 am

I saw on Instagram they got an A319. Anyone have more info on that?
 
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Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:36 am

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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:42 am

I wonder how they sneeked that transaction through the sanctions embargo. And does it open up possibilities that further ex-Russian airliners finding their way to Iran ?
 
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:49 am

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Great, they most certainly do need those aircraft. Nice to see they managed to get 13 Atrs before sanctions were re-introduced.
 
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:24 am

Unbelievable....within 3 posts, this thread has gone off topic.

IR maintenance are very good at looking after their machines.....
I flew on ‘BS a couple of years ago , straight after she came out from a major check.Looked and felt a brand new aircraft.

Can’t think of another older pax widebody still Flying today....

Let’s try and keep this thread on topic eh’...?
 
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:26 am

TUGMASTER wrote:
Unbelievable....within 3 posts, this thread has gone off topic.


There really isn't much more to say that's on-topic.

It is the only A300B2 in service. It may be the oldest passenger widebody in airline operation.
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Mon Dec 23, 2019 12:26 pm

Very curious about the inside of that bird, does it have a ‘new’ interior like the A300-600’s?
 
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:04 pm

Does the A300B2 still have a flight engineer?
 
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:23 pm

From HighRes pictures I have seen from old aircraft in service in Iran, most cockpits look real well maintained from the outside.
It seems they have good processes, quality systems, shops, money for that.

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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:40 pm

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From HighRes pictures I have seen from old aircraft in service in Iran, most cockpits look real well maintained from the outside.
It seems they have good processes, quality systems, shops, money for that.



It also seems they also have a very reliable network of spare part vendors who help them keep these machines in the air.
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:41 pm

EP-IBS, July 2019, Tehran.
Flight deck, incl. F/E position looks in very good, well maintained, shape.

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See : https://www.airliners.net/photo/Iran-Ai ... /5599585/L
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:48 pm

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Does the A300B2 still have a flight engineer?


Yes, as does the B4.
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:06 pm

Pretty impressive. I guess like any well made machine, if its well maintained, it can last a lifetime.
 
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Mon Dec 23, 2019 3:36 pm

Steam gauge, wires & pulleys Airbuses are a rare breed these days.

Iran seems to be the place to go fly vintage aircraft.
 
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:04 pm

DIJKKIJK wrote:
Northwest1988 wrote:
Does the A300B2 still have a flight engineer?


Yes, as does the B4.

I wonder how many A300B4s remain in service.
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:11 pm

Looks like the B2 recieved some digital navigation displays at some point
 
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:20 pm

Does it still fly? Just looking on flightradar, but it cannot find any recent flight. Moreover, if you look at the picture it seems as if it stands in a storage area of IKA.
 
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Tue Dec 24, 2019 11:29 am

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Does it still fly? Just looking on flightradar, but it cannot find any recent flight. Moreover, if you look at the picture it seems as if it stands in a storage area of IKA.


It’s been flying today according to Flightradar24
 
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Wed Dec 25, 2019 7:50 pm

EP-IBS flies almost every day. Mostly to international destinations.
 
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Wed Dec 25, 2019 7:57 pm

LJ wrote:
Does it still fly? Just looking on flightradar, but it cannot find any recent flight. Moreover, if you look at the picture it seems as if it stands in a storage area of IKA.


This shot was taken at THR. The plane left about half an hour later to IKA.
 
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Wed Dec 25, 2019 8:18 pm

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Yes, as does the B4.


Not all of them. The later ones produced had the option of a 2 crew cockpit. I believe the ones delivered to Finnair and Garuda Indonesia had this option, plus possibly others. Designated the A300B4-200FF (for forward facing cockpit)

Lead in to the A300-600 and A310, but the A300FF still had analogue instruments, no CRTs, but no flight engineer either

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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Wed Dec 25, 2019 10:54 pm

I wonder what will happen to the Flight Engineer when this plane is finally retired. Are there any B4’s he can fly?
 
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Wed Dec 25, 2019 11:34 pm

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I wonder what will happen to the Flight Engineer when this plane is finally retired. Are there any B4’s he can fly?


The same that happened to F/Es all over the world since the 80s. Either they retire or if they have the credentials, join the ranks of pilots & co-pilots.
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Thu Dec 26, 2019 12:01 am

Analog instruments, love them.
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Thu Dec 26, 2019 12:55 am

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Analog instruments, love them.

Are analog instruments more reliable than CRT or LCD monitors?

They say the Air Force prefers them on the VC-25s.
 
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Thu Dec 26, 2019 1:23 am

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It also seems they also have a very reliable network of spare part vendors who help them keep these machines in the air.


Correct, however many of those parts are reverse-engineered. In other words, they're illegal copies that are not officially certified by Airbus. Not that it matters for safety, they're just as good. But since they can't import official spare parts, they make them themselves.

Reverse engineering basically comes down to taking an existing part, measuring it and putting those measurements in a drawing. Then that drawing becomes a blueprint, which can be used to make more of that part. The Iranians are experts on that.
 
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Thu Dec 26, 2019 2:58 am

Mahan Airlines of Iran also operates very old A300, 747-300, A310 and bit newer A340s and serves destinations that Iran Air cannot fly to.
 
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:09 am

blacksoviet wrote:
ParkFSI wrote:
Analog instruments, love them.

Are analog instruments more reliable than CRT or LCD monitors?

They say the Air Force prefers them on the VC-25s.


I think it is more that they have a certain something about them. For one, they speak of a time that has mostly passed. And in use I still find they can be easier to read and spot trends on in certain use cases.
 
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:10 am

scbriml wrote:
TUGMASTER wrote:
Unbelievable....within 3 posts, this thread has gone off topic.


There really isn't much more to say that's on-topic.

It is the only A300B2 in service. It may be the oldest passenger widebody in airline operation.


In other words, lets focus on talking about the aircraft, rather than drifting off into politics. That is what he meant.
 
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:18 am

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I wonder what will happen to the Flight Engineer when this plane is finally retired. Are there any B4’s he can fly?


Yeah. A300B4 EP-IBG is still active.
 
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Thu Dec 26, 2019 8:04 am

It is sad to see that some country is trying to keep a 40 years old plane aloft while other countries (Vietnam for an example) is banning planes that are 15 or older.
 
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Thu Dec 26, 2019 8:38 am

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It is sad to see that some country is trying to keep a 40 years old plane aloft while other countries (Vietnam for an example) is banning planes that are 15 or older.

Well, there are many factors that come into play and there are no apale to apple comparison.

For Iran it is pretty obvious the trade and political sanction has resulted in them unable to get more new aircraft or even spare parts to refurbish the current ones. The recent newer additions A321, A330 and ATR 72 brought some relief to IranAir. However it is insufficient, to IranAir and Iran Aviation industry as whole. There are some 20+/30+ aircraft still flying to obscure places in Iran. The road network in Iran especially to outskirts are very patchy, hence the great demand for flight. The recent activation of Mahan Air 744 EP-MNB after nine years storage is a good example. Note that Iran Government and private airlines have signed hundreds of new deal before Donald Trump canned the deals and forced EU to do so as well although Airbus and ATR were very keen to continue their orders.

Below are some of the deals:
Iran Air: 46 Airbus A320 /A320neo family aircraft; 16 A350s, and 38 A330ceos/A330neos, 20 ATR 72-600, 50 737 MAX 8s, 15 777-300ERs and 15 777-9s
Iran Aseman Airlines: 30 737 MAX
Airtour Airlines and Zagros Airlines: 73 planes, not specified
Kish Air: 10 737Max

In Vietnam Airlines case, it is slightly different. Those shiny new B787 and A350 came at the right time when their previous B772 and A332 fleet are in dire need of replacement. While from outsiders, it looks like the local government is trying to protect the flying public from flying older aircraft (good intetion indeed!), however looking deep, they are imposing such ruling to stifle new entrant opportunity, especially the recent start ups. Bamboo Airways for example is paying more generous package than VN's, many pilot and cabin crew have left the latter for Bamboo. Well, coincidentally Bamboo is now doing roadshow to attract new investors to shore up their balance sheet. Hope they can make it.
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Thu Dec 26, 2019 8:56 am

juliuswong wrote:
memphiX wrote:
It is sad to see that some country is trying to keep a 40 years old plane aloft while other countries (Vietnam for an example) is banning planes that are 15 or older.

Well, there are many factors that come into play and there are no apale to apple comparison.

For Iran it is pretty obvious the trade and political sanction has resulted in them unable to get more new aircraft or even spare parts to refurbish the current ones. The recent newer additions A321, A330 and ATR 72 brought some relief to IranAir. However it is insufficient, to IranAir and Iran Aviation industry as whole. There are some 20+/30+ aircraft still flying to obscure places in Iran. The road network in Iran especially to outskirts are very patchy, hence the great demand for flight. The recent activation of Mahan Air 744 EP-MNB after nine years storage is a good example. Note that Iran Government and private airlines have signed hundreds of new deal before Donald Trump canned the deals and forced EU to do so as well although Airbus and ATR were very keen to continue their orders.

Below are some of the deals:
Iran Air: 46 Airbus A320 /A320neo family aircraft; 16 A350s, and 38 A330ceos/A330neos, 20 ATR 72-600, 50 737 MAX 8s, 15 777-300ERs and 15 777-9s
Iran Aseman Airlines: 30 737 MAX
Airtour Airlines and Zagros Airlines: 73 planes, not specified
Kish Air: 10 737Max

In Vietnam Airlines case, it is slightly different. Those shiny new B787 and A350 came at the right time when their previous B772 and A332 fleet are in dire need of replacement. While from outsiders, it looks like the local government is trying to protect the flying public from flying older aircraft (good intetion indeed!), however looking deep, they are imposing such ruling to stifle new entrant opportunity, especially the recent start ups. Bamboo Airways for example is paying more generous package than VN's, many pilot and cabin crew have left the latter for Bamboo. Well, coincidentally Bamboo is now doing roadshow to attract new investors to shore up their balance sheet. Hope they can make it.


I know this as already been discuss in this forum, but what is the fuel consumption of an A300B2 compared to an Il96-300?

I am asking this because now the Airbus/Boeing deal seems to be jeopardized, could we see IR going for Russian/Chinese airframe such as IL-114/MC-21/C-919/CR-929 or even some IL-96 for a short term period?

Or will they continue to buy older Airbus products and service them like they do (BTW I am always amazed how airline such as IR or JS are taking care of their planes. I flew a 1976 JS AN-24 that was in pristine condition!)?

Thanks
 
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Thu Dec 26, 2019 9:22 am

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It is sad to see that some country is trying to keep a 40 years old plane aloft while other countries (Vietnam for an example) is banning planes that are 15 or older.


The reasons why is the sad and pathetic part. :sarcastic:
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SR380 wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
memphiX wrote:
It is sad to see that some country is trying to keep a 40 years old plane aloft while other countries (Vietnam for an example) is banning planes that are 15 or older.

Well, there are many factors that come into play and there are no apale to apple comparison.

For Iran it is pretty obvious the trade and political sanction has resulted in them unable to get more new aircraft or even spare parts to refurbish the current ones. The recent newer additions A321, A330 and ATR 72 brought some relief to IranAir. However it is insufficient, to IranAir and Iran Aviation industry as whole. There are some 20+/30+ aircraft still flying to obscure places in Iran. The road network in Iran especially to outskirts are very patchy, hence the great demand for flight. The recent activation of Mahan Air 744 EP-MNB after nine years storage is a good example. Note that Iran Government and private airlines have signed hundreds of new deal before Donald Trump canned the deals and forced EU to do so as well although Airbus and ATR were very keen to continue their orders.

Below are some of the deals:
Iran Air: 46 Airbus A320 /A320neo family aircraft; 16 A350s, and 38 A330ceos/A330neos, 20 ATR 72-600, 50 737 MAX 8s, 15 777-300ERs and 15 777-9s
Iran Aseman Airlines: 30 737 MAX
Airtour Airlines and Zagros Airlines: 73 planes, not specified
Kish Air: 10 737Max

In Vietnam Airlines case, it is slightly different. Those shiny new B787 and A350 came at the right time when their previous B772 and A332 fleet are in dire need of replacement. While from outsiders, it looks like the local government is trying to protect the flying public from flying older aircraft (good intetion indeed!), however looking deep, they are imposing such ruling to stifle new entrant opportunity, especially the recent start ups. Bamboo Airways for example is paying more generous package than VN's, many pilot and cabin crew have left the latter for Bamboo. Well, coincidentally Bamboo is now doing roadshow to attract new investors to shore up their balance sheet. Hope they can make it.


I know this as already been discuss in this forum, but what is the fuel consumption of an A300B2 compared to an Il96-300?

I am asking this because now the Airbus/Boeing deal seems to be jeopardized, could we see IR going for Russian/Chinese airframe such as IL-114/MC-21/C-919/CR-929 or even some IL-96 for a short term period?

Or will they continue to buy older Airbus products and service them like they do (BTW I am always amazed how airline such as IR or JS are taking care of their planes. I flew a 1976 JS AN-24 that was in pristine condition!)?

Thanks


We've lost trust in Russian planes. Lots of our Tu-154s crashed back in the old days. Also, I believe that Russia is not wiling to sell any of its passenger planes to Iran due to US sanctions.
 
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Sat Dec 28, 2019 12:01 am

Not surprised. Have flown on their 747, A300 and DC9. All the planes were 20+ years old but looked spanking new for the most part.

Iran Air has some of the best engineering setups IMO.
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Sat Dec 28, 2019 1:01 am

As a big A300 lover i just can't get enough of it's curves, design and unique sound engines.
Glad to see it still around and in good shape, even after surviving a hijacking and a 6-year impound period in the 80's:

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Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:27 am

I wonder could a us citizen go fly to iran or are they still upset about 79
 
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Sat Dec 28, 2019 8:31 am

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I wonder could a us citizen go fly to iran or are they still upset about 79

A US citizen should have more problems when trying to enter the USA again after visited Iran. It’s more the USA is upset about 79.
 
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Thunderbolt500 wrote:
I wonder could a us citizen go fly to iran or are they still upset about 79

A US citizen should have more problems when trying to enter the USA again after visited Iran. It’s more the USA is upset about 79.


Americans are welcomed just as warmly as virtually any other nationality in Iran. It's almost at an embarassing level when everyone wants to talk to you, welcome you to their country, and it's normal to be given phone numbers or contact details, with the invite to visit their town or to be shown around, as their guest.
 
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Sat Dec 28, 2019 1:35 pm

This is why I keep on saying that Iran Air needs new planes.
 
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Sat Dec 28, 2019 2:12 pm

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This is why I keep on saying that Iran Air needs new planes.

I don't think that they will be able to get new and fresh airframes from Western countries (due to Trump's ban).
The best thing they can do is leasing or even purchasing airframes, they need to find some lessors/frames' owners which are not based in Western countries (some Asian lessors such as CALC, ICBC and SALE).
When Vietnamese carriers will be banned to take 10 years older airframes (in 2020, next 4 days LOL), it might be [slightly[ easier for Iran Air (and other Iranian carriers such as Manhan or the newbie Air Persia) to get those high quality 10-20 years old aircraft.
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Sat Dec 28, 2019 2:26 pm

memphiX wrote:
It is sad to see that some country is trying to keep a 40 years old plane aloft while other countries (Vietnam for an example) is banning planes that are 15 or older.

Vietnam CAA banned carriers from operating 20years+ airframes, and not allow carriers to take 10years++ frames.

With me, this is an authorities' political/monopoly move to protect the flag carrier Vietnam Airlines from newbies, when there will be at least 3 more airlines launched in Vietnam next year.
The last lucky one is Bamboo when they launched soon enough to grow their fleet freely when the new rule will be activated in the next 4 days :D.
One of their new member in the fleet, a 11.8 years old A320-232 reg VN-A595 arrived 1 month ago, will be the last 10 years old++ airframe to join a Vietnamese carrier's fleet, ever.

If this rule is applied in Iran I don't think there are more than 10 airframes are still be able to fly here.
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Nice to see my former " working place " during 2003-2006 with Martinair, is still operated with Iran Air.

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Sat Dec 28, 2019 3:48 pm

opticalilyushin wrote:
marcelh wrote:
Thunderbolt500 wrote:
I wonder could a us citizen go fly to iran or are they still upset about 79

A US citizen should have more problems when trying to enter the USA again after visited Iran. It’s more the USA is upset about 79.


Americans are welcomed just as warmly as virtually any other nationality in Iran. It's almost at an embarassing level when everyone wants to talk to you, welcome you to their country, and it's normal to be given phone numbers or contact details, with the invite to visit their town or to be shown around, as their guest.


Please don't confuse us. :wink2: Btw I've never been there but heard the same comments from people that have been there.
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The best thing they can do is leasing or even purchasing airframes, they need to find some lessors/frames' owners which are not based in Western countries (some Asian lessors such as CALC, ICBC and SALE).


Wouldn't work that way. Any leasing company that directly does business with any Iranian carrier can say goodbye to doing any business with any United States company due to export controls/sanctions. Even if the lessor tried to acquire an Airbus/Bombardier/Embraer, the U.S. can block its export since a sizable part of the aircraft contains American-made components (there is a cap to how much U.S. parts can be put in before export controls take effect IIRC).
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Re: Iran Air operating 40 year old A300B2

Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:23 pm

I used to see the A300 (not sure if its this one) flying into Heathrow every Thursday and Friday. Now its the A330. Iranian engineers are some of the best in the world and I reckon the old girl's got plenty of life in her yet!

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