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Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:05 am

I know that airline would registration their newly delivered aircraft with their previous aircraft registration like SQ with their first A350 (9V-SMA) which was previously registered to their retired B747-400.

But do they practice this for their flight number?
 
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:30 am

QF definitely does eg QF107/108 used to route SYD-LAX-JFK that flight number is now the SYD-PEK route.
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:27 am

Depends if they are short of flight numbers. I know United Airlines re-use many old flightnumbers but I think SAS for example do not.

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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:34 am

paper9oll wrote:
I know that airline would registration their newly delivered aircraft with their previous aircraft registration like SQ with their first A350 (9V-SMA) which was previously registered to their retired B747-400.

But do they practice this for their flight number?

The large airlines with a lot of codeshares use every number and pay no attention to something like that. A small airline might.
 
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:12 pm

paper9oll wrote:
I know that airline would registration their newly delivered aircraft with their previous aircraft registration like SQ with their first A350 (9V-SMA) which was previously registered to their retired B747-400.

But do they practice this for their flight number?

In fact while some airlines do reuse registrations, some aviation authorities, including the UK, prohibit this and so the airlines couldn't reuse registrations even if they wanted to.
 
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:22 pm

paper9oll wrote:
I know that airline would registration their newly delivered aircraft with their previous aircraft registration like SQ with their first A350 (9V-SMA) which was previously registered to their retired B747-400.

But do they practice this for their flight number?

BA0123 used to be LHR-MRU its now LHR-DOH
 
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Mon Dec 23, 2019 3:11 pm

BA17: Used to be LHR-SIN-MEL and is now LHR-ICN
BA41: Used to be LHR-SEL and is now LHR-DUR
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:18 pm

NZ1 & 2 is currently AKL-LAX-LHR but when that is dropped next october the number will be for AKL-EWR
 
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:25 pm

UA 48 & 49 were PDX-HNL-PDX for decades in the 70's & 80's, now they are used elsewhere in the system. I had lots of old ticket stubs with this flight on it. Started on DC-8's then went to the DC-10.
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:26 pm

Interestingly, AM seems to save them. They cancelled GDL-SJC earlier this year, then brought it back for a month using the same flight numbers. Maybe they just don't have a big enough network to require reuse.
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:41 pm

I believe BA reuse for flights to the same geographic region. So the examples given above typically recycle 1 Australasian destination for another. Rather than say to USA.(there may be exceptions but not the norm), BA flights numbering is pretty structured in this way
 
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:45 pm

One that comes to mind is BA279/278 which a few years ago was LHR-LAX, but is now used for LHR-SJC. Have flown both routes using the same flight number!

The777Man wrote:
Depends if they are short of flight numbers. I know United Airlines re-use many old flightnumbers but I think SAS for example do not.

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SAS will be using SK931/932 for their CPH-LAX-CPH flight after the switch from ARN-LAX-ARN. SK 931/932 is the original flight numbers used on their CPH-LAX polar route back in 1954!
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Mon Dec 23, 2019 7:23 pm

AA 607 was, from August, 1984, through August, 1998, exclusive to DFW-BFL, so no sentiment lost there.

I think what you are referring to are "prestige" numbers, yes?

I know LH's flight numbers are very strictly organized. I practically guessed at 466/467 when Lufthansa announced SAN in 2018. However, I think the domestic airlines in the U.S. don't give a ____ (insert expletive here) about flight numbers anymore, as everything goes into random computer generation. I've had everything on Southwest from flight #157 to #5823.

Remember the days when a 4-digit flight number meant a commuter flight? Nowadays I'm shocked when I'm NOT on a 4-digit flight number!
 
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Mon Dec 23, 2019 7:42 pm

I know this is the a bit different, but when Qantas came back to serving SFO a few years ago, the flight numbers were(and still are) QF73/74, which had been the flight numbers from when they served the route years before. Interesting that those low numbers didn't get reused.
 
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Mon Dec 23, 2019 7:51 pm

The777Man wrote:
Depends if they are short of flight numbers. I know United Airlines re-use many old flightnumbers but I think SAS for example do not.

The777Man

You're absolutely right about SAS. If a route is re-opened it will get the same flightnumber the route had when it was launched the first time around. An old flightnumber (old as in used before) is never used on a new route (new as in never operated before).
There's only one case of a flightnumber currently used which isn't the same as earlier used, that flight is SK909/910 (CPH-EWR-CPH) which used to be SK911/912 but changed after 9/11.
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Mon Dec 23, 2019 7:57 pm

AS uses the 60's and 70's flight numbers on the "Milk Runs" which is 3-6 flights are schedule with the same flight number.
 
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:07 pm

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
AA 607 was, from August, 1984, through August, 1998, exclusive to DFW-BFL, so no sentiment lost there.

I think what you are referring to are "prestige" numbers, yes?

I know LH's flight numbers are very strictly organized. I practically guessed at 466/467 when Lufthansa announced SAN in 2018. However, I think the domestic airlines in the U.S. don't give a ____ (insert expletive here) about flight numbers anymore, as everything goes into random computer generation. I've had everything on Southwest from flight #157 to #5823.

Remember the days when a 4-digit flight number meant a commuter flight? Nowadays I'm shocked when I'm NOT on a 4-digit flight number!

AA, DL, WN, and UA require well into 4 digits just for the 2nd flight per day on mainline. Any 5 digit flight numbers out there (excluding charter/repositioning).

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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:10 pm

AC had pretty run out of the flight numbers for 500s (full) and 800s series (6-pairs left). So when a route that are cancelled or became Rouge or Express, then the flight number would be reused in the following year.

For instance, AC810 was YUL-ALG... after the route being transferred to Rouge, next year it will be reused as YUL-CDG

AC812 was originally YUL-KEF operated with MAX. After the "temporary" Rouge replacement due to grounding, now the route will be permanently Rouge and the flight number will be reused as YYZ-CDG.

AC547 had always been YYZ-PDX.. after the route had been transferred to Rouge this year, it had been briefly reused for YYZ-EWR, but next year it's scheduled for YVR-EWR.
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:10 pm

DL154/155 used to be JFK-MAN-JFK but I believe it’s now BOS-DUB-BOS.
 
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:14 pm

ATC will only accept seven characters in the ACID field (AAA1234), hence the use of alphanumeric numbers on stub flights. I wouldn't be surprised if some airline systems were limited to 4 characters in the flight number.
 
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:39 pm

Some more:
LH414 TXL-IAD -> MUC-IAD
LH448 FRA-PHX -> MUC-DTW
LH466 DUS-MIA -> FRA-SAN
LH468 FRA-PDX -> FRA-AUS
LH472 DUS-YYZ -> FRA-YOW
LH494 FRA-YYC -> MUC-YYZ
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:41 pm

Airlines routinely reuse old flight numbers. Back in 1979, I flew AA602 SAT-MEX and AA554 MEX-SAT. Those flight numbers are still in use but on different routes. Airlines do retire flight numbers of flights that have been involved in major accidents. For example, there is no longer AA11, AA191, or AA1420.

MO11, you are correct that airline reservation systems are programmed for a maximum of four digits for flight numbers. It is like a teletype address always being seven characters.
 
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:08 pm

Surprised this was not metionned yet.
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Tue Dec 24, 2019 4:06 pm

I know that DL replaced ATL-DXB with LAX-HND as DL 7/8.
 
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Tue Dec 24, 2019 5:36 pm

RWA380 wrote:
UA 48 & 49 were PDX-HNL-PDX for decades in the 70's & 80's, now they are used elsewhere in the system. I had lots of old ticket stubs with this flight on it. Started on DC-8's then went to the DC-10.


CO then UA 48/49 has been EWR-BOM since it launched. Prior to that it was IAH-OGG before the merger. Interesting both UA and CO used it to Hawaii in the past

Post merger UA uses a no rhyme or reason mishmash of old UA and CO numbering. Abandoning the logic of both prior numbering systems.

Even this hodgepodge was made less logical with EWR-CPT which number means something random I don’t recall but has no relationship to anything else.
 
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Tue Dec 24, 2019 7:38 pm

To join this discussion flow, Korean Air uses KE 1/2 on ICN-NRT-HNL route after replacing its ICN/GMP-NRT-LAX.
 
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Tue Dec 24, 2019 8:27 pm

ZKSUJ wrote:
NZ1 & 2 is currently AKL-LAX-LHR but when that is dropped next october the number will be for AKL-EWR


And believe before that it was used on AKL-SYD-AKL, although the prefix was TE back then.
 
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:15 pm

tpaewr wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
UA 48 & 49 were PDX-HNL-PDX for decades in the 70's & 80's, now they are used elsewhere in the system. I had lots of old ticket stubs with this flight on it. Started on DC-8's then went to the DC-10.


CO then UA 48/49 has been EWR-BOM since it launched. Prior to that it was IAH-OGG before the merger. Interesting both UA and CO used it to Hawaii in the past

Post merger UA uses a no rhyme or reason mishmash of old UA and CO numbering. Abandoning the logic of both prior numbering systems.

Even this hodgepodge was made less logical with EWR-CPT which number means something random I don’t recall but has no relationship to anything else.


Yes flight numbers made sense, now they are often 4 digits & are not doled out in blocks for regions like they used to be. Thanks for hipping me to where they are used in the system, cool.

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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:35 pm

zkncj wrote:
ZKSUJ wrote:
NZ1 & 2 is currently AKL-LAX-LHR but when that is dropped next october the number will be for AKL-EWR


And believe before that it was used on AKL-SYD-AKL, although the prefix was TE back then.


And Aloha Airlines was TS back then, I remember flying AKL-HNL-OGG & the carriers were TE to TS, still have the bag tag. I only recently learned that TE code, was because Air New Zealand was once TEAL.
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Tue Dec 24, 2019 10:12 pm

JetBlue revived flight 393 this month on EWR-STI. It was formerly used for JFK-DAB, but 500 (DAB-JFK) is still not used.
 
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Tue Dec 24, 2019 10:36 pm

On a side note, airlines seem to ban flight numbers that have encountered a catastrophic accident. E. G. AF447.
 
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Tue Dec 24, 2019 11:18 pm

Yes. Especially high frequency airlines
 
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Wed Dec 25, 2019 12:09 am

hitower3 wrote:
On a side note, airlines seem to ban flight numbers that have encountered a catastrophic accident. E. G. AF447.


How many airlines refuse to use flight 191 ?

(regardless of if they had a crash of flight 191 I mean).
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Wed Dec 25, 2019 1:08 am

UA864 EWR-HAM > DEN-SNA
UA865 HAM-EWR > SFO-CLE

DL60/61 ATL-HAM-ATL > ATL-GIG-ATL
DL101 HAM-JFK > ATL-EZE

AA98 JFK-BRU-HAM > PHL-CLT
AA99 HAM-BRU-JFK > CLT-CLE

LH464 HAM-MIA-HAM > FRA-MCO-FRA

JL433/434 TYO-ANC-HAM-ANC-TYO > HND-MYJ-HNF (Matsuyama, never heard of it)
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Wed Dec 25, 2019 1:46 am

I believe AA 716/717 CLT-MUC-CLT was previously used for PHL-MUC-PHL until the route was cut in March 2019.
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Wed Dec 25, 2019 7:09 am

Yes, for example, the old DL 284 LAX-NRT and DL 284 NRT-BKK is now DL 284 LAX-ATL.
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Wed Dec 25, 2019 7:55 am

TheWorm123 wrote:
hitower3 wrote:
On a side note, airlines seem to ban flight numbers that have encountered a catastrophic accident. E. G. AF447.


How many airlines refuse to use flight 191 ?

(regardless of if they had a crash of flight 191 I mean).

No one in Europe?

BA191 LHR-AUS
LH191 TXL-FRA
AF191 BLR-CDG
OS191 VIE-CGN
SK191 ARN-KLR
U2191 BFS-BHX
 
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Wed Dec 25, 2019 7:58 am

hitower3 wrote:
On a side note, airlines seem to ban flight numbers that have encountered a catastrophic accident. E. G. AF447.


NZ proposed to re use 901 with there early 2000s Tasman merger with Qantas (merge never got approval).
 
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Wed Dec 25, 2019 8:37 am

hitower3 wrote:
On a side note, airlines seem to ban flight numbers that have encountered a catastrophic accident. E. G. AF447.


Not all it seems. AM uses Flight 498 even though it's forever associated with the Cerritos mid-air collision in 1986. The difference being instead of MEX-LAX, the flight goes MTY-LAS.
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Wed Dec 25, 2019 8:54 am

TheWorm123 wrote:
hitower3 wrote:
On a side note, airlines seem to ban flight numbers that have encountered a catastrophic accident. E. G. AF447.


How many airlines refuse to use flight 191 ?

(regardless of if they had a crash of flight 191 I mean).


Only two I'm aware of are American and Delta, both of which had major crashes with that number.
 
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Wed Dec 25, 2019 11:42 pm

UA98/99 was GUM-CNS, the flight number for that flight was changed with the flight ultimately dropped shortly after when UA made LAX-MEL non-stop, the flight which inherited the flight number.
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Wed Dec 25, 2019 11:53 pm

The former QF17/QF18 was on SYD-EZE-SYD which are now used for seasonal SYD-LAX-SYD flights.
 
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Re: Do airlines reuse flight number of their terminated destination?

Thu Dec 26, 2019 12:01 am

Yes Malaysian Airlines left Brisbane a few years ago and recently came back. Used the same flight number MH134/135 both times.

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