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Re: AA Strands Dallas Cowboys

Thu Dec 26, 2019 1:05 am

On a postive note, at least their plane didn't crash like Northwest #6231 when flying to Buffalo to pick up the Baltimore Colts back on 12-1-74..
 
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Re: AA Strands Dallas Cowboys

Thu Dec 26, 2019 1:32 am

Isn't a 777 kind of an overkill for a football team? I believe most soccer teams manage to fit in a narrowbody, why such a big bird for them?
 
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Re: AA Strands Dallas Cowboys

Thu Dec 26, 2019 2:08 am

Wayfarer515 wrote:
Isn't a 777 kind of overkill for a football team?


Yes, though not at all uncommon. Even some 744s get thrown in there.
 
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Re: AA Strands Dallas Cowboys

Thu Dec 26, 2019 4:57 am

Wayfarer515 wrote:
Isn't a 777 kind of an overkill for a football team? I believe most soccer teams manage to fit in a narrowbody, why such a big bird for them?


When you compare the size of an average soccer player & that of an American football player, it's obvious why they needed a widebody jet for even short trips.
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Re: AA Strands Dallas Cowboys

Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:05 am

Wayfarer515 wrote:
Isn't a 777 kind of an overkill for a football team? I believe most soccer teams manage to fit in a narrowbody, why such a big bird for them?


The amount of equipment an NFL team brings is also much greater than a soccer team. Usually the equipment alone is 5-6 containers, not even considering a few containers for luggage.
 
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Re: AA Strands Dallas Cowboys

Fri Dec 27, 2019 4:58 am

Devilfish wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
Also, I think PHL is a 767/A330 base (soon to be a 787 base once the new batch of Dreamliners arrive to supplant some, if not all, of the 330s based at PHL and CLT)

So what went tech...A or B...the report did not say which..... :?


It was a DFW based 777-200ER. Even though the report itself didn't say so specifically, some of the tweets in the article referred to a 777.
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Re: AA Strands Dallas Cowboys

Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:05 pm

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I'm still confused as to why anybody cares, I mean it was only the cowgirls f.f.s.

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Re: AA Strands Dallas Cowboys

Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:45 pm

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After Cowboys' most-recent defeat, AA added insult to injury by being unable to move them expeditiously when an aircraft went tech, due to inability to find a plane/pilot combination that would work. At a hub.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/cowb ... for-hours/

That never happened when the Cowboys had Landry, Staubach, and a dedicated aircraft by Braniff International.
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Re: AA Strands Dallas Cowboys

Fri Dec 27, 2019 4:14 pm

Please change the title... they were NOT stranded they were delayed! You AA haters are awful!!!
 
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Re: AA Strands Dallas Cowboys

Fri Dec 27, 2019 5:18 pm

Wayfarer515 wrote:
Isn't a 777 kind of an overkill for a football team? I believe most soccer teams manage to fit in a narrowbody, why such a big bird for them?


NFL Teams travel with 140-180 or so personnel, so it's not a small contingent. 53 active (and not so small) players, plus a few spares, coaches, medical/trainers, security, equipment personnel, video crews, etc....
They also travel with probably 20,000+ pounds or more of equipment.

No way a single narrow body can work fro this.
 
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Re: AA Strands Dallas Cowboys

Fri Dec 27, 2019 11:44 pm

zuckie13 wrote:
Wayfarer515 wrote:
Isn't a 777 kind of an overkill for a football team? I believe most soccer teams manage to fit in a narrowbody, why such a big bird for them?


NFL Teams travel with 140-180 or so personnel, so it's not a small contingent. 53 active (and not so small) players, plus a few spares, coaches, medical/trainers, security, equipment personnel, video crews, etc....
They also travel with probably 20,000+ pounds or more of equipment.

No way a single narrow body can work fro this.


There was a video on ESPN about this recently. It's amazing the amount of planning and effort it takes to move a LOT of stuff, regardless of distance.
 
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Re: AA Strands Dallas Cowboys

Fri Dec 27, 2019 11:47 pm

ZazuPIT wrote:
zuckie13 wrote:
Wayfarer515 wrote:
Isn't a 777 kind of an overkill for a football team? I believe most soccer teams manage to fit in a narrowbody, why such a big bird for them?


NFL Teams travel with 140-180 or so personnel, so it's not a small contingent. 53 active (and not so small) players, plus a few spares, coaches, medical/trainers, security, equipment personnel, video crews, etc....
They also travel with probably 20,000+ pounds or more of equipment.

No way a single narrow body can work fro this.


There was a video on ESPN about this recently. It's amazing the amount of planning and effort it takes to move a LOT of stuff, regardless of distance.


Is there a link to that video?
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Re: AA Strands Dallas Cowboys

Sat Dec 28, 2019 12:01 am

ctrabs0114 wrote:
ZazuPIT wrote:
zuckie13 wrote:

NFL Teams travel with 140-180 or so personnel, so it's not a small contingent. 53 active (and not so small) players, plus a few spares, coaches, medical/trainers, security, equipment personnel, video crews, etc....
They also travel with probably 20,000+ pounds or more of equipment.

No way a single narrow body can work fro this.


There was a video on ESPN about this recently. It's amazing the amount of planning and effort it takes to move a LOT of stuff, regardless of distance.


Is there a link to that video?


I looked for it but can't find it, sorry.
 
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Re: AA Strands Dallas Cowboys

Sat Dec 28, 2019 12:26 am

ctrabs0114 wrote:
ZazuPIT wrote:
zuckie13 wrote:

NFL Teams travel with 140-180 or so personnel, so it's not a small contingent. 53 active (and not so small) players, plus a few spares, coaches, medical/trainers, security, equipment personnel, video crews, etc....
They also travel with probably 20,000+ pounds or more of equipment.

No way a single narrow body can work fro this.


There was a video on ESPN about this recently. It's amazing the amount of planning and effort it takes to move a LOT of stuff, regardless of distance.


Is there a link to that video?

it's not a video, but here's an ESPN article about the Lions equipment guys. They move all their gear by truck: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/283 ... -road-game
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Re: AA Delays Dallas Cowboys

Sat Dec 28, 2019 6:51 am

Interesting video on the logistical challenges of the NFL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ_LUFBSoqM
 
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Re: AA Strands Dallas Cowboys

Sat Dec 28, 2019 9:47 am

zuckie13 wrote:
Wayfarer515 wrote:
Isn't a 777 kind of an overkill for a football team? I believe most soccer teams manage to fit in a narrowbody, why such a big bird for them?


NFL Teams travel with 140-180 or so personnel, so it's not a small contingent. 53 active (and not so small) players, plus a few spares, coaches, medical/trainers, security, equipment personnel, video crews, etc....
They also travel with probably 20,000+ pounds or more of equipment.

No way a single narrow body can work fro this.


FWIW, some NFL teams charter DL 752s.
 
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Re: AA Strands Dallas Cowboys

Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:22 pm

They were not STRANDED... they were delayed! You AA haters are amazing how you twist a post ...
 
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Re: AA Strands Dallas Cowboys

Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:51 pm

axiom wrote:
zuckie13 wrote:
Wayfarer515 wrote:
Isn't a 777 kind of an overkill for a football team? I believe most soccer teams manage to fit in a narrowbody, why such a big bird for them?


NFL Teams travel with 140-180 or so personnel, so it's not a small contingent. 53 active (and not so small) players, plus a few spares, coaches, medical/trainers, security, equipment personnel, video crews, etc....
They also travel with probably 20,000+ pounds or more of equipment.

No way a single narrow body can work fro this.


FWIW, some NFL teams charter DL 752s.

True and most of the Delta teams will take a 752 at some point in the season for a short trip. The Cowboys regular plane for years at AA was a 752 and they have only fairly recently began using widebodies for all flights. US use to fly the Panthers and the Steelers most weekends on a single 321.

The Saints on United often use a 753 for short and medium trips, the 764 for longer or if available. Availability is the key now, just not many 763s around like there used to be. Back when Delta ruled the NFL charter market nearly every single team used a 763, just cant spare them like they used to.

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Re: AA Strands Dallas Cowboys

Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:33 pm

71Zulu wrote:
The Saints on United often use a 753 for short and medium trips, the 764 for longer or if available. Availability is the key now, just not many 763s around like there used to be. Back when Delta ruled the NFL charter market nearly every single team used a 763, just cant spare them like they used to.

Easy fix, just buy yourself two 763s!

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Re: AA Strands Dallas Cowboys

Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:39 am

Revelation wrote:
71Zulu wrote:
The Saints on United often use a 753 for short and medium trips, the 764 for longer or if available. Availability is the key now, just not many 763s around like there used to be. Back when Delta ruled the NFL charter market nearly every single team used a 763, just cant spare them like they used to.

Easy fix, just buy yourself two 763s!

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Ref: https://www.reddit.com/r/Patriots/comme ... s_awesome/


When you have a problem of where to paint the next super bowl trophy on your B763 you know you have made it! Now, I am not a real Patriots fan or a Patriots hater. But this team with Belichick/Brady has done something over the last 18 years no other team has ever done. Guess they deserve their own 763/s.

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