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Holiday patterns of Russians and flights

Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:44 pm

I’m in Thailand right now and I see tons of Russians in the resorts of Phuket. Did some research online and notice there’s rarely any flights from Moscow/St Petersburg to the Carribean (except for Cancun/Punta Cana & Havana), the place I used to holiday from the US. A friend told me there’s Russian characters in all the restaurant menus in Sanya China too. Even though Mexico and Dominican Republic are visa free or online registration for Russians they prefer to holiday in Asia due to geopolitical reasons am I correct? I can’t blame them...
 
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Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:05 pm

The food is also way better in Asia...
And keep in mind that flight times are shorter.
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Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:20 pm

I personally think that it will be difficult to generalise Russian holiday-making patterns given the size and diversity of Russia.

Generally speaking though, outside places in Southern Russia you will encounter a certain demand for outbound travel to beach destinations. The choice of destination will be determined by factors like price (Russian wallets tend to be a little tighter than Western European ones if you exclude parts of the Caribbean clientele), visas (many Russians hold Schengen multiple entry visas but are otherwise dependant on the ease of obtaining visas for the respective destinations) and the availability of tour groups (Russians still prefer organised tour groups more so than other countries. This - aside from the visa policy - is also where geopolitics kicks in in that the Russian government has a say in which destinations tour operators can offer organised tours to which explains the decline and subsequent resurgence in Russian tourism to Turkey and Egypt in the past years).

With all that being said, both the Caribbean and Asia are niche destinations for Russians not opting for the Mediterranean, Dubai or the Black Sea but both have an appeal for certain population groups.
The Caribbean nowadays mostly serves Russian upscale tourism as long haul beach destination demand from Western Russia is cheaper served in places like Thailand, Sri Lanka or the Maldives. These places also cater to Russians from the Far East and Siberia due to their geographic proximity.
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Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:24 pm

Try Antalya ;)
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Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:42 pm

The Russian Federation tends to be cold and dark so that her inhabitants travel excessivly. As a source/origin market for international air travel she is definitely much bigger than the USA. On a per-capita base this business almost reaches the quota of Canada and Scandinavia.
 
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Re: Holiday patterns of Russians and flights

Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:44 pm

I don't know about the travel preferences of the Russian folks, but Azur Air and Nordwind have been expanding their Caribbean network lately.
Montego Bay, La Romana, Puerto Plata, Samana and, of course, Cancun & Punta Cana are a few destinations being served by their birds.
They use B777-200ER/300ER, B767-300ER and A330-200 for these flights.
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:02 am

Much closer, especially from southern or eastern Russia. You even see 737s from Russia in Thailand. Sanya in China was developed with Russians (and I think Koreans) in mind. Russians have taken over Phuket, many shops have Russian signs, not just restaurants and hotels. Many stories of Russian mafia running 'businesses' such as casinos, and including bringing ladies of the night out from Russia so their men can have more 'variety'. It seems to be a place for money laundering for Russians, plus a hideout for mafia members on the run.
 
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Re: Holiday patterns of Russians and flights

Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:42 am

Geography and price favor Thailand. Phuket is relatively inexpensive. Cancun attracts some Russian tourists, but Phuket is half the price once you are there.

While there are many Moscow to Phuket flights, it’s worth noting that many Russian tourists are not flying that far. Many tourists are coming from closer cities that are less than 8 hours away like Vladivostok, Khabarovsk, Tyumen, Novosibirsk, etc. Those cities are extremely far from the Caribbean.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:51 am

Try Nha Trang in Vietnam also. Although the Korean had taken over, even just 2 years ago you see more Russian business than Vietnamese one there :).
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:56 am

Definitely price and distance. I also don't think Spanish is a common second language for Russians so they might see language barriers as equal in Asian countries too.
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:58 am

Just look at the Rossiya Airlines website and in the flight map it pretty much shows most of the places where Russians vacation.
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:58 am

Just look at the Rossiya Airlines website and in the flight map it pretty much shows most of the places where Russians vacation.
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Re: Holiday patterns of Russians and flights

Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:00 am

Russians usually head over to goa in India. This year the tourism department of goa failed to “make a deal” with the Russian government, so very few Russians came as there were not as many flights, especially charter flights. These Russians traveled to different warm cities
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:18 am

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Many stories of Russian mafia running 'businesses' such as casinos, and including bringing ladies of the night out from Russia so their men can have more 'variety'.


I can confirm this as I saw it with my own eyes on Bangla Street in Patong.

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Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:45 am

Russians have been holidaymakers in Thailand for decades literally. They can travel there without any visa and as already noted, many cities are not far away from Thailand.

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Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:01 am

Egyptian holiday towns like Sharm el Sheikh and Hurghada are extremely popular with Russians who either get a free entry stamp or buy a visa on arrival. You have a lot of mid-range resorts that cater to their budgets. In addition you have tons of Russian speakers working in hotels, running businesses so they are well catered to. Oh, and you can do western Russia to Egypt in around 4 hours by plane.
Dubai is also very popular. I think the peak was before 2013. Russian money was responsible for the real estate boom in that city. You had all kinds of Russian tourists from those staying in mid-range 4* city hotels to splurging on a high-end luxury resort.
2014 was around when the Russian rubble fell and it made holidays abroad more expensive. Demand for outbound tourism fell as a result. A few years later, to recover the Russian market (and no doubt to curry favor with Putin) the UAE introduced visa free access to Russian nationals.
 
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Re: Holiday patterns of Russians and flights

Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:18 am

I'm in Phuket now too, and while there are lots of Russians it's still nothing compared to Phu Quoc.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:19 am

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Try Antalya ;)


Try Sharm El Sheikh/ Hurghada
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:50 am

There is also Cyprus to consider, on top of some 5.000 Russians living there (2001 census data, now it's probably around 10.000), there are thousands that come for summer holidays. Cyprus is not part of Schengen so getting the visa is not an issue for them. In summer it's not uncommon to see several Rossiya B747 land every day on top of countless scheduled and charter flights from all parts of Russia. There are even flights from Novosibirsk and Red Wings has announced a whole range of destinations to Larnaca for summer 2020.

Russia is a big country and Russians travel a lot.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 7:22 am

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Just look at the Rossiya Airlines website and in the flight map it pretty much shows most of the places where Russians vacation.


Pobeda is also interesting. They serve some tiny airports like Karlovy Vary (I think only Russian carriers serve that airport) or Rimini.

They have recently demanded permission to start Moscow-Vitoria in Spain. Clearly targeted to Russians heading to San Sebastián and the Rioja wineries. VIT is currently served only by Ryanair subsidised by the local authorities.

Kilopond wrote:
The Russian Federation tends to be cold and dark so that her inhabitants travel excessivly. As a source/origin market for international air travel she is definitely much bigger than the USA. On a per-capita base this business almost reaches the quota of Canada and Scandinavia.


Outside Moscow, traffic figures for Russian airports are ridiculously small. Specially considering the size of the country and in most routes, no other viable alternative (car, train, bus; I doubt many people drive from St. Petersburg to Novosibirsk).

LED had 18 million passengers in 2018. That for a metro area equivalent in population to Madrid. Oslo with 6 times less population had 30M passengers in 2018 (OSL+TRF).

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There is also Cyprus to consider, on top of some 5.000 Russians living there (2001 census data, now it's probably around 10.000), there are thousands that come for summer holidays. Cyprus is not part of Schengen so getting the visa is not an issue for them. In summer it's not uncommon to see several Rossiya B747 land every day on top of countless scheduled and charter flights from all parts of Russia. There are even flights from Novosibirsk and Red Wings has announced a whole range of destinations to Larnaca for summer 2020.


Well Cyprus is very popular for many nationalities, so it is not that surprising. They also send their B747s to Spanish or Turkish airports. After all those are big holiday resorts. I am also not sure that not being part of Schengen, those small countries like Cyprus (the UK has always been a different thing) can do "as they please". After all the EU wants everybody to be part of Schengen sooner or later so they are closely monitored/"advised". That is the case of Croatia where you can spot EU (from Schengen countries) people around in airports "training" the Croatian people.

Interesting that you don't mention Montenegro. I read somewhere that about 90% of tourists in Tivat/Budva are Russians. TIV with about 1.5 million PAX has (according to Wiki) has 7 carriers to Moscow.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 7:26 am

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Rossiya747 wrote:
Just look at the Rossiya Airlines website and in the flight map it pretty much shows most of the places where Russians vacation.


Pobeda is also interesting. They serve some tiny airports like Karlovy Vary (I think only Russian carriers serve that airport) or Rimini.

They have recently demanded permission to start Moscow-Vitoria in Spain. Clearly targeted to Russians heading to San Sebastián and the Rioja wineries. VIT is currently served only by Ryanair subsidised by the local authorities.

Kilopond wrote:
The Russian Federation tends to be cold and dark so that her inhabitants travel excessivly. As a source/origin market for international air travel she is definitely much bigger than the USA. On a per-capita base this business almost reaches the quota of Canada and Scandinavia.


Outside Moscow, traffic figures for Russian airports are ridiculously small. Specially considering the size of the country and in most routes, no other viable alternative (car, train, bus; I doubt many people drive from St. Petersburg to Novosibirsk).

LED had 18 million passengers in 2018. That for a metro area equivalent in population to Madrid. Oslo with 6 times less population had 30M passengers in 2018 (OSL+TRF).

Blerg wrote:
There is also Cyprus to consider, on top of some 5.000 Russians living there (2001 census data, now it's probably around 10.000), there are thousands that come for summer holidays. Cyprus is not part of Schengen so getting the visa is not an issue for them. In summer it's not uncommon to see several Rossiya B747 land every day on top of countless scheduled and charter flights from all parts of Russia. There are even flights from Novosibirsk and Red Wings has announced a whole range of destinations to Larnaca for summer 2020.


Well Cyprus is very popular for many nationalities, so it is not that surprising. They also send their B747s to Spanish or Turkish airports. After all those are big holiday resorts. I am also not sure that not being part of Schengen, those small countries like Cyprus (the UK has always been a different thing) can do "as they please". After all the EU wants everybody to be part of Schengen sooner or later so they are closely monitored/"advised". That is the case of Croatia where you can spot EU (from Schengen countries) people around in airports "training" the Croatian people.

Interesting that you don't mention Montenegro. I read somewhere that about 90% of tourists in Tivat/Budva are Russians. TIV with about 1.5 million PAX has (according to Wiki) has 7 carriers to Moscow.


One of the requirements to be part of Schengen is to have defined borders and Cyprus doesn't have that. So even if they wanted to be part of it they can't. In other words Cypriots have more freedom when it comes to issuing visas to key nationalities such as Russians, Lebanese and so on.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 7:59 am

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Outside Moscow, traffic figures for Russian airports are ridiculously small. Specially considering the size of the country and in most routes, no other viable alternative (car, train, bus; I doubt many people drive from St. Petersburg to Novosibirsk).

LED had 18 million passengers in 2018. That for a metro area equivalent in population to Madrid. Oslo with 6 times less population had 30M passengers in 2018 (OSL+TRF).


I would say that Russians fly probably more than people from other countries with similar standard of living. It probably has to do with the size of the country and the fact that during soviet era it was relatively affordable to fly (but not always easy to get a ticket I think).

That said, the idea of "viable alternative" is a bit different in Russia than it would be in other places. You're right, very few people would drive St. Petersburg to Novosibirsk (which is about 3800 km) but probably many take the train. There is even a daily direct train! I met many people from Russian lower middle-class (so, who can travel but not necessarily afford the plane) and they didn't seem to mind spend two or three days on a train.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:59 am

The vast majority of Europeans go to Asia over the Caribbean , it’s not just a Russian thing . Asia is infinitely more accessible, affordable with a greater variety of cultures , food and beaches .
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 9:16 am

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The vast majority of Europeans go to Asia over the Caribbean , it’s not just a Russian thing . Asia is infinitely more accessible, affordable with a greater variety of cultures , food and beaches .


I think airlines such as Emirates, Qatar, Etihad, Oman Air... have helped in this process as their rise has seen the drop of fares on flights from Europe to places like Thailand. Doesn't EK alone operate six daily (mostly A380) between DXB and BKK?
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:37 am

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AngelsDecay wrote:
Try Antalya ;)


Try Sharm El Sheikh/ Hurghada


And the Balearic islands ( esp. Mallorca) and Maledives as well! In addition to the German and English languages, Russian is now also very common there.
From my own experience in these places, I can report that many of the Russian tourists are not very popular because of their splurging and „russian first“ mentality!
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:06 pm

AirbusOnly wrote:
AirPacific747 wrote:
AngelsDecay wrote:
Try Antalya ;)


Try Sharm El Sheikh/ Hurghada


And the Balearic islands ( esp. Mallorca) and Maledives as well! In addition to the German and English languages, Russian is now also very common there.
From my own experience in these places, I can report that many of the Russian tourists are not very popular because of their splurging and „russian first“ mentality!


That was my experience in Egypt too. The locals I talked to said they didn’t like the Russians and that the coral reefs were being destroyed by mainly Russian tourists who were stepping on it
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:06 pm

There are also plenty of Russian holiday makers in the beach resorts of Vietnam - When I stayed in Mui Ne a couple of years back I was surprised, initially, that the restaurant menus were invariably in Russian as well as English - but then thinking back to the close ties between the two countries during the VietNam war and after it is perhaps not surprising.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:43 pm

Out of curiosity, how many days off do Russians have per year compared to let's say Americans? I mean both in terms of vacations and non-working holidays. Those things also influence travel patterns in various countries. At least here in eastern Europe it's not uncommon for people to go twice for beach holidays, first in May-June (old holidays from the previous year) and then in August-September (new holidays, new days from a new year).
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:51 pm

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Out of curiosity, how many days off do Russians have per year compared to let's say Americans? I mean both in terms of vacations and non-working holidays. Those things also influence travel patterns in various countries. At least here in eastern Europe it's not uncommon for people to go twice for beach holidays, first in May-June (old holidays from the previous year) and then in August-September (new holidays, new days from a new year).


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Out of curiosity, how many days off do Russians have per year compared to let's say Americans? I mean both in terms of vacations and non-working holidays. Those things also influence travel patterns in various countries. At least here in eastern Europe it's not uncommon for people to go twice for beach holidays, first in May-June (old holidays from the previous year) and then in August-September (new holidays, new days from a new year).


28 calendar days annually.


That's for Russians, right? What about Americans?
 
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Russians who have less money to spend will vacation in Simferopol, Sochi, or Varna.
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:16 pm

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Blerg wrote:
Out of curiosity, how many days off do Russians have per year compared to let's say Americans? I mean both in terms of vacations and non-working holidays. Those things also influence travel patterns in various countries. At least here in eastern Europe it's not uncommon for people to go twice for beach holidays, first in May-June (old holidays from the previous year) and then in August-September (new holidays, new days from a new year).


28 calendar days annually.


That's for Russians, right? What about Americans?


There is no legal requirement for employers to provide paid vacation in the USA. Most employers offer full time employees at least 2 weeks (10 days) of paid vacation time.
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28 calendar days annually.


That's for Russians, right? What about Americans?


There is no legal requirement for employers to provide paid vacation in the USA. Most employers offer full time employees at least 2 weeks (10 days) of paid vacation time.


Thank you! That doesn't seem like that much honestly.
 
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Blerg wrote:

That's for Russians, right? What about Americans?


There is no legal requirement for employers to provide paid vacation in the USA. Most employers offer full time employees at least 2 weeks (10 days) of paid vacation time.


Thank you! That doesn't seem like that much honestly.


It isn't. However, most US higher-paying jobs (i.e. white collar workers & professionals) offer 20-30 days (or more, based on time on the job/seniority) PTO (paid time off) per annum. The difference with most countries where vacation time is mandated by law, is that in the US it is up to the employer to offer what is a competitive benefits package in each market.
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dcajet wrote:

There is no legal requirement for employers to provide paid vacation in the USA. Most employers offer full time employees at least 2 weeks (10 days) of paid vacation time.


Thank you! That doesn't seem like that much honestly.


It isn't. However, most US higher-paying jobs (i.e. white collar workers & professionals) offer 20-30 days (or more, based on time on the job/seniority) PTO (paid time off) per annum. The difference with most countries where vacation time is mandated by law, is that in the US it is up to the employer to offer what is a competitive benefits package in each market.


Wow but then again from what I heard there isn't paid maternity leave so these things shouldn't surprise us really.
 
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Angelovo wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Out of curiosity, how many days off do Russians have per year compared to let's say Americans? I mean both in terms of vacations and non-working holidays. Those things also influence travel patterns in various countries. At least here in eastern Europe it's not uncommon for people to go twice for beach holidays, first in May-June (old holidays from the previous year) and then in August-September (new holidays, new days from a new year).


28 calendar days annually.


That's the base. Some professions have higher minimums, for example pilots (45 days).
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 9:50 pm

I've noticed TFS is very popular with the Russians. Aeroflot send an A333 daily!
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Blerg wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Blerg wrote:

Thank you! That doesn't seem like that much honestly.


It isn't. However, most US higher-paying jobs (i.e. white collar workers & professionals) offer 20-30 days (or more, based on time on the job/seniority) PTO (paid time off) per annum. The difference with most countries where vacation time is mandated by law, is that in the US it is up to the employer to offer what is a competitive benefits package in each market.


Wow but then again from what I heard there isn't paid maternity leave so these things shouldn't surprise us really.


Of course there is paid maternity leave. It’s just the government doesn’t regulate it, as it should be.

I personally get unlimited time off, as long as it doesn’t affect my work performance, I’m good. That’s a time off policy that my employer creates. Because that’s how it works here: employers create the policy, not the government.
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Blerg wrote:
dcajet wrote:

It isn't. However, most US higher-paying jobs (i.e. white collar workers & professionals) offer 20-30 days (or more, based on time on the job/seniority) PTO (paid time off) per annum. The difference with most countries where vacation time is mandated by law, is that in the US it is up to the employer to offer what is a competitive benefits package in each market.


Wow but then again from what I heard there isn't paid maternity leave so these things shouldn't surprise us really.


Of course there is paid maternity leave. It’s just the government doesn’t regulate it, as it should be.

I personally get unlimited time off, as long as it doesn’t affect my work performance, I’m good. That’s a time off policy that my employer creates. Because that’s how it works here: employers create the policy, not the government.


At times I am so happy to be living in Europe where certain basic things are guaranteed like maternity leave, sick leave, amount of paid holidays... people should have some free time outside their office, that is if you think life quality is an important factor.
 
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Re: Holiday patterns of Russians and flights

Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:08 am

CWL757 wrote:
I've noticed TFS is very popular with the Russians. Aeroflot send an A333 daily!


Fortunately, the Canary Islands are not so populair with Russian tourists.
It's the same with the Balearics, very few flights to Russia.
 
Martind511
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Re: Holiday patterns of Russians and flights

Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:28 am

Angelovo wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Out of curiosity, how many days off do Russians have per year compared to let's say Americans? I mean both in terms of vacations and non-working holidays. Those things also influence travel patterns in various countries. At least here in eastern Europe it's not uncommon for people to go twice for beach holidays, first in May-June (old holidays from the previous year) and then in August-September (new holidays, new days from a new year).


28 calendar days annually.


When I was living out in the Far East of Russia the Russian staff would get 44 days leave due to the local hardship factor. They could also pretty much take it all at once and we had to pay them up front so it made it reasonable in terms of time and affordability for them to get to Moscow (8/9 hr domestic flight) and head off to wherever from there or take a 2 hr flight to Seoul and head off to Vietnam and Thailand etc.
 
Galwayman
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Re: Holiday patterns of Russians and flights

Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:47 am

Russians have greater travel options than most Americans ( it’s not just about annual leave ), being so close to Asia and Europe and they also seem more adventurous,, the original poster probably hadn’t encountered many Russians previously in the their own limited travelling experience
 
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Re: Holiday patterns of Russians and flights

Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:40 am

Rossiya747 wrote:
Russians who have less money to spend will vacation in Simferopol, Sochi, or Varna.


That’s interesting. I assume you are Russian? I went on holiday to Sochi instead of Spain for 10 days after my Russian girlfriend realised her passport had expired (she was in Moscow, I live in England). Flights weren’t too cheap and everything there was very expensive. Is it worth paying a bit more for flights but having everything else waaaay cheaper in, for example Thailand, when you get there? What’s an approximate flight cost disparity?
 
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Re: Holiday patterns of Russians and flights

Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:26 pm

Martind511 wrote:
Angelovo wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Out of curiosity, how many days off do Russians have per year compared to let's say Americans? I mean both in terms of vacations and non-working holidays. Those things also influence travel patterns in various countries. At least here in eastern Europe it's not uncommon for people to go twice for beach holidays, first in May-June (old holidays from the previous year) and then in August-September (new holidays, new days from a new year).


28 calendar days annually.


When I was living out in the Far East of Russia the Russian staff would get 44 days leave due to the local hardship factor. They could also pretty much take it all at once and we had to pay them up front so it made it reasonable in terms of time and affordability for them to get to Moscow (8/9 hr domestic flight) and head off to wherever from there or take a 2 hr flight to Seoul and head off to Vietnam and Thailand etc.


Isn't there a fair amount of charters (on airlines like Nordwind or Pegas Fly) from the major Siberian airports to SE Asia beach cities (mainly Viet Nam or Thailand), or even places like Goa or Sri Lanka or even UAE? Or are those just more expensive than, let say, a KE connection?
 
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Re: Holiday patterns of Russians and flights

Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:00 pm

flyingfool wrote:
CWL757 wrote:
I've noticed TFS is very popular with the Russians. Aeroflot send an A333 daily!


Fortunately, the Canary Islands are not so populair with Russian tourists.
It's the same with the Balearics, very few flights to Russia.


And why would that be considered "good fortune"?
Keep calm and wash your hands.
 
Virtual737
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Re: Holiday patterns of Russians and flights

Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:11 pm

Russian visitor numbers to Thailand (and probably many other places) fell through the floor a few years ago with the collapse of the ruble. The strong baht also hasn't helped.

The numbers are definitely on the rise again and I can happily confirm that the fairer sex still promotes the fashion of a belt for a skirt regardless of location.

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