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OAG Changes 12/29/2019: UA Adds DEN-DDC,ORD-DEC, Drops IAH-CAE/DAY

Sun Dec 29, 2019 1:28 pm

FAQ

AS OF JULY 2018 THERE ARE CHANGES TO THE FORMAT OF THIS REPORT...SEE BELOW

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares departures for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...prior year departures are now shown in brackets e.g. [0].

THE SCHEDULES SHOWN HERE CHANGE AFTER YOU POST???
-To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often---Winston Churchill. This is data the carriers filed at the point in time it was captured. It's changed since then. You are just going to have to live with it.

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5[4] JAN 4>5[4]
XXX Departure IATA code, YYY Arrival IATA code, Month, Average Departures/Day over the month for sale as of last week, Average Departures/Day over the month for sale as of this week, in brackets is the number of Average Departures/Day over the month that were scheduled one year earlier. So, it means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. It also means that there were 4 roundtrips the prior year in each month. No other months were changed. I average two directions.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
NEW CHANGE-Sometimes airlines do not load their schedules for the entire 330 day standard sales window. Southwest and many LCCs load their schedules for as little as 5 months into the future. When these flight are extended into a new sales month, it becomes a "schedule change". Previously, I have manually deleted these in many cases and replaced them with a Year-Over-Year compare. Effective immediately, this will now change. When a flight is loaded from 0 departures X departures, where X was the same the prior year, the record will not be shown. For example, if Delta loaded ATL-EGE MAR 0>1(1), it would not be shown because this additional flight does not represent a real year-over-year addition. Similarly, if B6 extended their schedule a record like this ATL-BOS JUL 0>4(4) would not be shown. It will be shown if the flight frequency changed from the prior year. So B6 ATL-BOS JUL 0>3(4) would be shown. If a partial month was loaded in a core schedule that became a full schedule month, those changes may be shown under this logic. For example, WN BNA-SEA 0.3>2(2). Because only a fraction of the month was previously loaded for sale, these changes will not be filtered out. I may, however, manually remove them to declutter.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month. The following criteria are used to show a change: 1) The change must be at least 6 roundtrips per month with no exceptions, 2) changes of at least 6/week are always shown, 3) routes that are added or dropped are shown subject to the change minimum, and 4) in all other cases routes must change by 20% to be shown. For example, if a route changed from 21/week to 18/week it would not be shown because the change is -14.3%. This is done to filter minor changes that occur in large numbers.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. If the route has more than 2 daily flights, departures are rounded, but in cases of less than 2 departures per day a fraction is shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
Seats are not shown. That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard or overlapping schedule periods that see the same flight number in two places at once. These cause flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".


A quiet week as you'd expect...

3M FLL-FPO MAR 2>0.7[3] APR 3>0.7[3] MAY 3>0.7[3] JUN 3>0.7[3] JUL 3>0.7[2] AUG 3>0.7[2] SEP 3>0.7[3]
3M FLL-MHH MAR 3>0.8[4] APR 4>0.9[4] MAY 4>0.9[4] JUN 4>0.8[4] JUL 4>0.9[4] AUG 4>0.9[3] SEP 4>0.8[2]
**3M FLL-TCB MAR 1.0>0[1.3] APR 1.3>0[1.3] MAY 1.3>0[1.3] JUN 1.3>0[1.3] JUL 1.3>0[1.3] AUG 1.3>0[1.1] SEP 1.3>0[0.6]
3M MCO-MHH MAR 1.0>0.3[1.3] APR 1.3>0.3[1.3] MAY 1.3>0.3[1.3] JUN 1.3>0.3[1.3] JUL 1.3>0.3[1.3] AUG 1.3>0.3[0.8] SEP 1.3>0.3[0.1]
**3M MHH-PBI MAR 0.8>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0[1.0] MAY 1.0>0[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0] JUL 1.0>0[1.0] AUG 1.0>0[0.5] SEP 1.0>0[0.1]
3M MHH-TPA MAR 0.4>0.1[0.4] APR 0.4>0.1[0.4] MAY 0.4>0.2[0.4] JUN 0.4>0.1[0.4] JUL 0.4>0.1[0.4] AUG 0.5>0.2[0.2] SEP 0.4>0.1[0]

5V BTI-FAI JAN 0.5>0.7[0] FEB 0.4>0.7[0] MAR 0.4>0.7[0] APR 0.4>0.7[0] MAY 0.4>0.7[0] JUN 0.4>0.7[0] JUL 0.5>0.7[0] AUG 0.4>0.7[0] SEP 0.4>0.7[0]

9X DSI-MEM JUL 0>0.3[0.5] AUG 0>0.3[0.6] SEP 0>0.3[0.4]

AN HHR-OAK JAN 0>0.4[0.3] FEB 0>0.3[0] MAR 0>0.4[0]
AN HHR-SBA JAN 0>0.3[0.0] FEB 0>0.3[0] MAR 0>0.3[0]
AN HHR-SQL JAN 0>1.6[0.3] FEB 0>1.6[0] MAR 0>1.7[0]
AN OAK-SBA JAN 0>0.4[0.3] FEB 0>0.4[0] MAR 0>0.5[0]
AN SBA-SQL JAN 0>2[0.2] FEB 0>2[0] MAR 0>2[0]

AS CMH-SEA JUN 1.0>1.4[1.0] JUL 1.0>2[1.0] AUG 1.0>1.5[1.0]

BR SEA-TPE JUL 1.4>1.7[1.4] SEP 1.4>1.7[1.4]

CX HKG-SEA SEP 1.0>0.7[1.0]

EW DUS-EWR MAY 2>1.0[0.9] JUN 2>1.0[0.9] JUL 2>1.0[0.8] AUG 2>1.0[0.9] SEP 2>1.0[0.9]
EW DUS-JFK MAY 0.8>0.4[0.9] JUN 1.7>0.8[0.9] JUL 1.7>0.9[0.9] AUG 1.7>0.9[0.8] SEP 1.2>0.6[0.9]
EW DUS-MIA MAY 0.9>0.5[0.7] JUN 1.1>0.5[0.7] JUL 1.2>0.6[0.7] AUG 1.2>0.6[0.7] SEP 0.8>0.4[0.4]
EW DUS-RSW MAY 0.8>0.4[0.4] JUN 0.9>0.4[0.4] JUL 0.8>0.4[0.4] AUG 0.8>0.4[0.5] SEP 0.9>0.4[0.4]

S4 BOS-PDL JUN 1.3>1.0[1.2] JUL 1.3>1.0[1.4] AUG 1.3>1.0[1.5] SEP 1.2>1.0[1.3]

UA ATW-ORD JUN 7>8[5] JUL 7>8[5] AUG 7>8[5] SEP 7>8[5]
UA AUS-ORD JUN 4>5[4] JUL 4>5[4] AUG 4>5[4] SEP 4>5[4]
UA BOS-DEN JUN 5>6[5] JUL 5>6[5] AUG 5>6[5] SEP 5>6[5]
UA BWI-ORD JUN 3>4[4] JUL 3>4[4] AUG 3>4[3] SEP 3>4[3]
**UA CAE-IAH MAR 0.7>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0[1.0] MAY 1.0>0[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[0.2] JUL 1.0>0[0] AUG 1.0>0[0] SEP 1.0>0[0]
UA CID-DEN MAR 3>2[2]
UA CPR-DEN MAR 5>4[4] APR 5>4[5]
UA CUN-DEN JUN 1.7>1.2[1.8]
UA DAY-DEN MAR 1.9>1.1[2]
**UA DAY-IAH APR 1.0>0[1.0] MAY 1.0>0[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0] JUL 1.0>0[1.0] AUG 1.0>0[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[1.0]
**UA DDC-DEN FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>1.7[0] APR 0>1.7[0] MAY 0>1.7[0] JUN 0>1.7[0] JUL 0>1.7[0] AUG 0>1.7[0] SEP 0>1.7[0]
**UA DEC-ORD MAR 0>1.5[0] APR 0>1.7[0] MAY 0>1.7[0] JUN 0>1.7[0] JUL 0>1.7[0] AUG 0>1.7[0] SEP 0>1.7[0]
UA DEN-RNO APR 4>3[3]
UA ELP-ORD MAR 1.8>1.0[1.9] JUN 2>1.1[1.1] JUL 2>1.0[0.8] AUG 2>1.5[0.9]
UA ERI-ORD MAY 1.9>1.1[2.0]
UA FLL-IAH JUN 6>5[5] JUL 6>5[5]
UA FNT-ORD MAY 4>3[4]
UA GPT-IAH APR 4>3[3]
UA IAD-ILM MAR 3>1.9[2]
UA IAD-ITH JUN 3>4[3] JUL 3>4[3] AUG 3>4[3] SEP 3>4[3]
UA IAD-MDT MAR 4>3[4]
UA IAH-MIA JUL 5>4[4]
UA IAH-ORF MAR 2.0>1.2[1.9]
UA IAH-PDX MAR 3>2[2]
UA IAH-PHX JUN 5>4[4] JUL 5>4[4]
UA IAH-RIC MAR 1.8>1.1[1.0] APR 1.7>1.0[1.1]
UA IAH-SAN APR 6>5[5]
UA IAH-SJC MAR 1.6>1.0[1.6]
UA IAH-YYZ MAR 3>2[3]
UA LAX-PHX JUN 5>4[3] JUL 5>4[3] AUG 5>4[3] SEP 5>4[4]
UA LAX-SBP JUN 4>3[3] JUL 4>3[3] AUG 4>3[3] SEP 4>3[4]
UA MCI-SFO MAR 1.9>1.1[2]
UA MDT-ORD JUN 3>4[4] JUL 3>4[4] AUG 3>4[4] SEP 3>4[4]
UA MSP-ORD JUN 8>9[8] JUL 8>9[9]
UA OMA-SFO MAR 1.9>1.0[1.9] APR 1.8>1.0[1.7]
UA ONT-SFO JUN 5>6[6] JUL 5>6[6] AUG 5>6[6] SEP 5>6[5]
UA ORD-ORF JUN 3>4[4] JUL 3>4[4]
UA ORD-PHX JUN 5>4[4] JUL 5>4[4]
UA ORD-ROA MAR 3>2[3]
UA ORD-SFO JUN 11>12[13] JUL 12>13[13]
UA PDX-SFO JUN 9>8[7] JUL 9>8[8]
UA PHX-SFO JUN 4>5[5] JUL 4>5[4]
 
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Re: OAG Changes 12/29/2019: UA Adds DEN-DDC,ORD-DEC, Drops IAH-CAE/DAY

Sun Dec 29, 2019 1:34 pm

enilria wrote:
AS CMH-SEA JUN 1.0>1.4[1.0] JUL 1.0>2[1.0] AUG 1.0>1.5[1.0]


Wow, AS is not playing in SEA......
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 1:50 pm

It would be interesting to see how much their capacity went up year on year for q3. So strange to see more capacity in some of these markets to sea vs sfo or even lax in a couple of cases.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:19 pm

Last week we reported on how AS will be upgrading flights on some routes to mainline including SEA-FAT/BIL/BZN/MSO and PDX-ABQ. They also upgraded SEA-OKC to mainline back on Nov 5.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:22 pm

CX HKG-SEA SEP 1.0>0.7[1.0]

DL struggled to run SEA-HKG daily and now apparently CX can’t maintain daily either. I don’t see SQ or CX lasting long in SEA.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:22 pm

Silver cuts almost all post-Dorian related it seems.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:26 pm

UA adds DEN-DDC on Feb 13. Boutique, I'm sure, will pull out. ORD-DEC starts Mar 5, most likely Cape Air will leave. Great to see all these EAS cities get RJ's. Hope to see PDT get UA* RJ's some day, they had UA mainline 727's and 737's back in the day.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 12/29/2019: UA Adds DEN-DDC,ORD-DEC, Drops IAH-CAE/DAY

Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:31 pm

MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:
Silver cuts almost all post-Dorian related it seems.

I agree. Somebody on here adamantly posted that those markets weren't Dorian impacted, but I saw a recent article saying there was a lot of damage still including the airport. Just very poorly covered in the news which is odd..
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:39 pm

jakeroberts212 wrote:
CX HKG-SEA SEP 1.0>0.7[1.0]

DL struggled to run SEA-HKG daily and now apparently CX can’t maintain daily either. I don’t see SQ or CX lasting long in SEA.


HKG numbers have taken a big hit this year due to the on going protests. Not surprised by the CX cuts.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:50 pm

jakeroberts212 wrote:
CX HKG-SEA SEP 1.0>0.7[1.0]

DL struggled to run SEA-HKG daily and now apparently CX can’t maintain daily either. I don’t see SQ or CX lasting long in SEA.

SQ doesn’t fly to HKG - so I don’t see the correlation. Singapore will do fine.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:59 pm

Dang. More IAH destination cuts.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD BRING BACK THE PAYWALL!!!!
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:01 pm

Weird not a single update for AA, DL or B6.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 12/29/2019: UA Adds DEN-DDC,ORD-DEC, Drops IAH-CAE/DAY

Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:08 pm

enilria wrote:
MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:
Silver cuts almost all post-Dorian related it seems.

I agree. Somebody on here adamantly posted that those markets weren't Dorian impacted, but I saw a recent article saying there was a lot of damage still including the airport. Just very poorly covered in the news which is odd..

Absolutely no one said that the Bahamas were not impacted by Hurricane Dorian. The dispute was about the Turks and Caicos islands (PLS).
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:10 pm

**UA DAY-IAH APR 1.0>0[1.0] MAY 1.0>0[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0] JUL 1.0>0[1.0] AUG 1.0>0[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[1.0]

This one hurts as I am on this flight about once per month. My thoughts. 1] Timing on the DAY departure was never that great, btw 6:15-7am. 2] Equipment was not right (ERJ-175) given that F was never full and Y barely ever full. An ERJ-145 or even 170 would have likely done much better. CO used to fly the 145 on this route. 3] This paves the way for sustained/more upgauging of IAH-CVG. 319s have made intermittent appearances this summer and here recently, for holiday travel.

Poor DAY cannot catch a break. UA DAY-EWR ends next week. I remember flying that route on CO 732s and 735s as a kid in the mid 90s.
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Re: OAG Changes 12/29/2019: UA Adds DEN-DDC,ORD-DEC, Drops IAH-CAE/DAY

Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:28 pm

Chuska wrote:
UA adds DEN-DDC on Feb 13. Boutique, I'm sure, will pull out. ORD-DEC starts Mar 5, most likely Cape Air will leave. Great to see all these EAS cities get RJ's. Hope to see PDT get UA* RJ's some day, they had UA mainline 727's and 737's back in the day.


The thing about OO/UA at PDT is that DEN or SFO aren't really preferable gateways for PDT and I also think that UA wouldn't want OO adding EAS flying to SFO at commercially viable times. OO could fly it to SLC.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 12/29/2019: UA Adds DEN-DDC,ORD-DEC, Drops IAH-CAE/DAY

Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:47 pm

**UA CAE-IAH MAR 0.7>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0[1.0] MAY 1.0>0[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[0.2] JUL 1.0>0[0] AUG 1.0>0[0] SEP 1.0>0[0]

With this cut, UA pulls all pre-merger CO flying from CAE. Sad that the IAH hub can’t sustain one flight to that city.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:01 pm

drdisque wrote:
Chuska wrote:
UA adds DEN-DDC on Feb 13. Boutique, I'm sure, will pull out. ORD-DEC starts Mar 5, most likely Cape Air will leave. Great to see all these EAS cities get RJ's. Hope to see PDT get UA* RJ's some day, they had UA mainline 727's and 737's back in the day.


The thing about OO/UA at PDT is that DEN or SFO aren't really preferable gateways for PDT and I also think that UA wouldn't want OO adding EAS flying to SFO at commercially viable times. OO could fly it to SLC.


This. Pendleton practically ran AS out of town when they tried to move their PDT service from PDX to SEA. The city council there does not want to lose air service to PDX. The other issue now is that since AS left, TSA isn’t at PDT. And once TSA leaves it isn’t easy to get them back (just ask LMT).

A more likely option, IMO, would be UA taking a look at ALW.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:10 pm

jph7291 wrote:
**UA DAY-IAH APR 1.0>0[1.0] MAY 1.0>0[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0] JUL 1.0>0[1.0] AUG 1.0>0[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[1.0]

This one hurts as I am on this flight about once per month. My thoughts. 1] Timing on the DAY departure was never that great, btw 6:15-7am. 2] Equipment was not right (ERJ-175) given that F was never full and Y barely ever full. An ERJ-145 or even 170 would have likely done much better. CO used to fly the 145 on this route. 3] This paves the way for sustained/more upgauging of IAH-CVG. 319s have made intermittent appearances this summer and here recently, for holiday travel.

Poor DAY cannot catch a break. UA DAY-EWR ends next week. I remember flying that route on CO 732s and 735s as a kid in the mid 90s.

I also feel bad for DAY. From the hub days in the early 90s with flights to the West Coast and then the low cost alternative airport for Cincinnati with numerous people from Cincy making the drive up to DAY, the airport has clearly fallen on hard times lately. I am sure it can rebound at some point as airport traffic tends to ebb and flow. However, with the size of F9 and G4 at CVG now with WN, I’m just not sure how they will do that in the short term. Maybe they could hit a home run and land NK.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:16 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Weird not a single update for AA, DL or B6.

Not weird for a Holiday week
 
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Re: OAG Changes 12/29/2019: UA Adds DEN-DDC,ORD-DEC, Drops IAH-CAE/DAY

Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:24 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
enilria wrote:
AS CMH-SEA JUN 1.0>1.4[1.0] JUL 1.0>2[1.0] AUG 1.0>1.5[1.0]


Wow, AS is not playing in SEA......


The question is: at what point does DL back off, and if so, what does that look like? I can’t imagine a world where they just completely back out of all this SEA growth... but based on some basic back of the hand math with DOT numbers, it’s clear AS is eating their lunch in Seattle.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:46 pm

jakeroberts212 wrote:
CX HKG-SEA SEP 1.0>0.7[1.0]

DL struggled to run SEA-HKG daily and now apparently CX can’t maintain daily either. I don’t see SQ or CX lasting long in SEA.


Comparing apples to oranges.

Just from following the news you can see the impact the on going protest have had on travel to/from HKG. Most airlines that serve HKG are seeing a reduction in demand for travel to and from HKG.
DL's struggles at HKG were not the same as what CX is facing today.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:59 pm

joeblow10 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
enilria wrote:
AS CMH-SEA JUN 1.0>1.4[1.0] JUL 1.0>2[1.0] AUG 1.0>1.5[1.0]


Wow, AS is not playing in SEA......


The question is: at what point does DL back off, and if so, what does that look like? I can’t imagine a world where they just completely back out of all this SEA growth... but based on some basic back of the hand math with DOT numbers, it’s clear AS is eating their lunch in Seattle.


Delta is fighting too many battles. If it wants to sustain growth at sea, it needs to go fully into pdx and probably the state of Alaska also. Without that, as can continue to shift capacity to sea and keep it's gates. As long as Portland and Alaska make money, it will be able to pick all it's eggs in Seattle. But of course, delta also doesn't want to do that. It wants to also picks fights at lax, Bos and now Mia.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 12/29/2019: UA Adds DEN-DDC,ORD-DEC, Drops IAH-CAE/DAY

Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:05 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Weird not a single update for AA, DL or B6.


This is the slow XMAS update I was expecting last week. Instead that one ended up being a monster sized update.

Happy New Year enilria.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:13 pm

TYSflyer wrote:
jph7291 wrote:
**UA DAY-IAH APR 1.0>0[1.0] MAY 1.0>0[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0] JUL 1.0>0[1.0] AUG 1.0>0[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[1.0]

This one hurts as I am on this flight about once per month. My thoughts. 1] Timing on the DAY departure was never that great, btw 6:15-7am. 2] Equipment was not right (ERJ-175) given that F was never full and Y barely ever full. An ERJ-145 or even 170 would have likely done much better. CO used to fly the 145 on this route. 3] This paves the way for sustained/more upgauging of IAH-CVG. 319s have made intermittent appearances this summer and here recently, for holiday travel.

Poor DAY cannot catch a break. UA DAY-EWR ends next week. I remember flying that route on CO 732s and 735s as a kid in the mid 90s.

I also feel bad for DAY. From the hub days in the early 90s with flights to the West Coast and then the low cost alternative airport for Cincinnati with numerous people from Cincy making the drive up to DAY, the airport has clearly fallen on hard times lately. I am sure it can rebound at some point as airport traffic tends to ebb and flow. However, with the size of F9 and G4 at CVG now with WN, I’m just not sure how they will do that in the short term. Maybe they could hit a home run and land NK.


Similar to Akron which was booming with LCC carriers as an alternative to the expensive hubs at CLE and PIT. When those hubs closed the LCCs pulled capacity out of Akron and built up at CLE and PIT.


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UA IAH-SJC MAR 1.6>1.0[1.6]


I am surprised that this route only needs one flight per day, especially heading into summer
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:45 pm

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CX HKG-SEA SEP 1.0>0.7[1.0]

DL struggled to run SEA-HKG daily and now apparently CX can’t maintain daily either. I don’t see SQ or CX lasting long in SEA.


Keep in mind also that September is the end of SEA's peak season, when the tourist numbers go way down because (1) the cruises to Alaska come to an end, and (2) the weather typical starts to change. To me, this is a seasonal cutback from summer. It's not any different than what they are doing now. Today, the CX's SEA-HKG service is NOT daily.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:51 pm

tphuang wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

Wow, AS is not playing in SEA......


The question is: at what point does DL back off, and if so, what does that look like? I can’t imagine a world where they just completely back out of all this SEA growth... but based on some basic back of the hand math with DOT numbers, it’s clear AS is eating their lunch in Seattle.


Delta is fighting too many battles. If it wants to sustain growth at sea, it needs to go fully into pdx and probably the state of Alaska also. Without that, as can continue to shift capacity to sea and keep it's gates. As long as Portland and Alaska make money, it will be able to pick all it's eggs in Seattle. But of course, delta also doesn't want to do that. It wants to also picks fights at lax, Bos and now Mia.


Here we go again--the sky is falling in SEA for lost DL. So tired of these inaccurate postings.

DL is performing phenomenally financially. They are targeting the markets where they see logical future growth. And they do not need to outgrow AS at SEA. SEA is really all AS has, its main hub. AS has no choice but to try and defend it and add nonstop service to markets it can't really serve any other way due to its limited regional network.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:51 pm

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Midwestindy wrote:
enilria wrote:
AS CMH-SEA JUN 1.0>1.4[1.0] JUL 1.0>2[1.0] AUG 1.0>1.5[1.0]


Wow, AS is not playing in SEA......


The question is: at what point does DL back off, and if so, what does that look like? I can’t imagine a world where they just completely back out of all this SEA growth... but based on some basic back of the hand math with DOT numbers, it’s clear AS is eating their lunch in Seattle.

They have backed up a bit. They pulled Victoria. They have rolled back Asia a little. With the KE deal SEA is no longer the primary Asia gateway.

Having said that unless we have a deep recession I don’t think it is in Delta’s DNA to allow themselves to lose.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:58 pm

tphuang wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

Wow, AS is not playing in SEA......


The question is: at what point does DL back off, and if so, what does that look like? I can’t imagine a world where they just completely back out of all this SEA growth... but based on some basic back of the hand math with DOT numbers, it’s clear AS is eating their lunch in Seattle.


Delta is fighting too many battles. If it wants to sustain growth at sea, it needs to go fully into pdx and probably the state of Alaska also. Without that, as can continue to shift capacity to sea and keep it's gates. As long as Portland and Alaska make money, it will be able to pick all it's eggs in Seattle. But of course, delta also doesn't want to do that. It wants to also picks fights at lax, Bos and now Mia.

I agree that Delta needed to make Alaska work to defeat AS and they haven’t accomplished much in Alaska. I think it’s telling that Delta said 2020 growth would be in its core hubs. I doubt that was their preferred plan.

I think the reality is, however, that the Korean JV did more to hurt DL’s SEA growth plans than almost anything else. #2 would be a very effective real estate strategy in SEA.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:59 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Weird not a single update for AA, DL or B6.


This is the slow XMAS update I was expecting last week. Instead that one ended up being a monster sized update.

Happy New Year enilria.

Thanks. Same to you and everybody.

I bet next week is also quiet.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:10 pm

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**UA CAE-IAH MAR 0.7>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0[1.0] MAY 1.0>0[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[0.2] JUL 1.0>0[0] AUG 1.0>0[0] SEP 1.0>0[0]

With this cut, UA pulls all pre-merger CO flying from CAE. Sad that the IAH hub can’t sustain one flight to that city.


It’s pretty ridiculous in my opinion but UA has pretty well redefined IAH away from a domestic connector and more to a Latin America gateway. If the flight isn’t contributing to its Latin America network, then it won’t be kept.
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:15 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
usdcaguy wrote:
**UA CAE-IAH MAR 0.7>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0[1.0] MAY 1.0>0[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[0.2] JUL 1.0>0[0] AUG 1.0>0[0] SEP 1.0>0[0]

With this cut, UA pulls all pre-merger CO flying from CAE. Sad that the IAH hub can’t sustain one flight to that city.


It’s pretty ridiculous in my opinion but UA has pretty well redefined IAH away from a domestic connector and more to a Latin America gateway. If the flight isn’t contributing to its Latin America network, then it won’t be kept.

Looks like this flight returns next fall per UA com.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:39 pm

jakeroberts212 wrote:
CX HKG-SEA SEP 1.0>0.7[1.0]

DL struggled to run SEA-HKG daily and now apparently CX can’t maintain daily either. I don’t see SQ or CX lasting long in SEA.


SQ doesn't operate HKG-SEA. They operate SIN-SEA, which they are increasing capacity on:

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-17dec19/
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 7:03 pm

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enilria wrote:
AS CMH-SEA JUN 1.0>1.4[1.0] JUL 1.0>2[1.0] AUG 1.0>1.5[1.0]


Wow, AS is not playing in SEA......


Both these flights are showing as 739s, too. The daily this summer was mainly a 320, with occasional upgauges to 321s.

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**UA DAY-IAH APR 1.0>0[1.0] MAY 1.0>0[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0] JUL 1.0>0[1.0] AUG 1.0>0[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[1.0]

This one hurts as I am on this flight about once per month. My thoughts. 1] Timing on the DAY departure was never that great, btw 6:15-7am. 2] Equipment was not right (ERJ-175) given that F was never full and Y barely ever full. An ERJ-145 or even 170 would have likely done much better. CO used to fly the 145 on this route. 3] This paves the way for sustained/more upgauging of IAH-CVG. 319s have made intermittent appearances this summer and here recently, for holiday travel.

Poor DAY cannot catch a break. UA DAY-EWR ends next week. I remember flying that route on CO 732s and 735s as a kid in the mid 90s.

I also feel bad for DAY. From the hub days in the early 90s with flights to the West Coast and then the low cost alternative airport for Cincinnati with numerous people from Cincy making the drive up to DAY, the airport has clearly fallen on hard times lately. I am sure it can rebound at some point as airport traffic tends to ebb and flow. However, with the size of F9 and G4 at CVG now with WN, I’m just not sure how they will do that in the short term. Maybe they could hit a home run and land NK.


WN buying FL just to kill them didn't help DAY, either, as FL put quite a bit of effort into DAY (think they had 4-5 destinations out of there, some multi-daily). I don't see why NK couldn't make less-than-daily MCO work given they've built PIT and still run flights from LBE.

UA has seemingly been pulling down DAY-DEN as well. I've wondered if that could trigger a return of F9.
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 7:06 pm

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UA adds DEN-DDC on Feb 13. Boutique, I'm sure, will pull out. ORD-DEC starts Mar 5, most likely Cape Air will leave. Great to see all these EAS cities get RJ's. Hope to see PDT get UA* RJ's some day, they had UA mainline 727's and 737's back in the day.


Remember PSC is only about an hour's drive away from PDT, and with UA expanding there (adding ORD next June, adding a 3rd daily to SFO) that is the preferred airport in this part of southeast Washington and northeastern Oregon.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 7:22 pm

> BR SEA-TPE JUL 1.4>1.7[1.4] SEP 1.4>1.7[1.4]
>
> CX HKG-SEA SEP 1.0>0.7[1.0]

Interesting juxtaposition - indicative of a larger trend of US-Asia traffic connecting via HKG alternatives, e.g., TPE, to CX's detriment.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 7:40 pm

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> BR SEA-TPE JUL 1.4>1.7[1.4] SEP 1.4>1.7[1.4]
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> CX HKG-SEA SEP 1.0>0.7[1.0]

Interesting juxtaposition - indicative of a larger trend of US-Asia traffic connecting via HKG alternatives, e.g., TPE, to CX's detriment.


No, it is about TECH traffic. We are talking about Cloud and Semi-conductor industry. TPE is major Asia Pacific centre for Semi-conductors and Cloud computing. The capacity increase by BR on TPE and SEA reflect the traffic trend.

CX is suffering because HKG would be backtracking for such IT traffic.

I don't know about SQ and its capacity increase so I can not comment. But TPE SEA traffic increase is very much O&D orientated.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 7:43 pm

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> BR SEA-TPE JUL 1.4>1.7[1.4] SEP 1.4>1.7[1.4]
>
> CX HKG-SEA SEP 1.0>0.7[1.0]

Interesting juxtaposition - indicative of a larger trend of US-Asia traffic connecting via HKG alternatives, e.g., TPE, to CX's detriment.


I don't think overall capacity is changing that much. Keep in mind that the daily BR flight is changing from a 777-300ER to a 787-9.

Next September is still a long way off...things could get better at HKG (or worse).
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 7:50 pm

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tphuang wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:

The question is: at what point does DL back off, and if so, what does that look like? I can’t imagine a world where they just completely back out of all this SEA growth... but based on some basic back of the hand math with DOT numbers, it’s clear AS is eating their lunch in Seattle.


Delta is fighting too many battles. If it wants to sustain growth at sea, it needs to go fully into pdx and probably the state of Alaska also. Without that, as can continue to shift capacity to sea and keep it's gates. As long as Portland and Alaska make money, it will be able to pick all it's eggs in Seattle. But of course, delta also doesn't want to do that. It wants to also picks fights at lax, Bos and now Mia.

I agree that Delta needed to make Alaska work to defeat AS and they haven’t accomplished much in Alaska. I think it’s telling that Delta said 2020 growth would be in its core hubs. I doubt that was their preferred plan.


Regarding Delta’s AK service, about the only thing they are really missing is JNU year round, and that’s a question of whether they want to equip right-sized aircraft for the JNU approaches in the winter. So far they haven’t appeared to want to do that (somebody can correct me if I’m wrong but I believe right now they only have the 738 certified for proprietary JNU RNAV approaches). SIT and KTN are easy seasonal flights to appease their FF base in Seattle, and stick a finger in AS’ eye at the same time. Beyond that there’s not much else for them to chase after in AK that makes sense from SEA, aside from the obvious ANC and FAI (which they already do).
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:05 pm

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1] Timing on the DAY departure was never that great, btw 6:15-7am.


Why is a 6-7am departure not "that great"?

The flight is listed as running on a E145 in March for some reason, not sure if they did that last year.

tphuang wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

Wow, AS is not playing in SEA......


The question is: at what point does DL back off, and if so, what does that look like? I can’t imagine a world where they just completely back out of all this SEA growth... but based on some basic back of the hand math with DOT numbers, it’s clear AS is eating their lunch in Seattle.


Delta is fighting too many battles. If it wants to sustain growth at sea, it needs to go fully into pdx and probably the state of Alaska also. Without that, as can continue to shift capacity to sea and keep it's gates. As long as Portland and Alaska make money, it will be able to pick all it's eggs in Seattle. But of course, delta also doesn't want to do that. It wants to also picks fights at lax, Bos and now Mia.


Growth at SEA has stalled and will continue to stall in 2020 according to DL.

What would going fully into PDX entail exactly? Going fully into PDX/Alaska sounds quite reckless from DL's Point of View, they have more pressing things to do in SEA itself let alone the rest of their network.

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UA IAH-SJC MAR 1.6>1.0[1.6]

I am surprised that this route only needs one flight per day, especially heading into summer


IAH-SFO is 9-10x daily with wide-bodies sprinkled in, and SJC-DEN can handle most of the West-->East connecting flows. UA's SJC presence is quite weak because of SFO, they don't even serve LAX from SJC
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Sounds like a good time for AA to add DFW-DAY :scratchchin:
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:22 pm

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tphuang wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:

The question is: at what point does DL back off, and if so, what does that look like? I can’t imagine a world where they just completely back out of all this SEA growth... but based on some basic back of the hand math with DOT numbers, it’s clear AS is eating their lunch in Seattle.


Delta is fighting too many battles. If it wants to sustain growth at sea, it needs to go fully into pdx and probably the state of Alaska also. Without that, as can continue to shift capacity to sea and keep it's gates. As long as Portland and Alaska make money, it will be able to pick all it's eggs in Seattle. But of course, delta also doesn't want to do that. It wants to also picks fights at lax, Bos and now Mia.


Here we go again--the sky is falling in SEA for lost DL. So tired of these inaccurate postings.

DL is performing phenomenally financially. They are targeting the markets where they see logical future growth. And they do not need to outgrow AS at SEA. SEA is really all AS has, its main hub. AS has no choice but to try and defend it and add nonstop service to markets it can't really serve any other way due to its limited regional network.


DL as a whole is performing phenomenally financially - you can pretty much guarantee that a number of routes out of SEA and BOS though aren't, as they battle with AS/B6. SEA might be growing phenomenally as a city, but growth by AS does hurts DL. When your choice was AS or DL 1x daily, obviously it's more of an even battle - but when AS offers 2x daily or higher and DL is 1x or not even non-stop, AS starts to win out...especially with their FF base.

DL's only option is to continue to add more service (and presumably, get less profitable) or halt the growth. All this is saying, it's by no means "gloom and doom" in SEA for DL, but it certainly looks to be getting a lot tougher for them to continue growing it.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:26 pm

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Why is a 6-7am departure not "that great"?


Simple, most people enjoy sleep. Fewer humans 'want' to wake up at 3:30am for a 6:30am flight versus waking up at 6am for a 9am flight. If they are in that much of a time crunch to arrive at their destination early, many travelers would rather just go the night before.

There is a reason airports are quieter early in the morning. Fewer people.
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:27 pm

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UA IAH-SJC MAR 1.6>1.0[1.6]


I am surprised that this route only needs one flight per day, especially heading into summer

As has been repeated many times, they are short aircraft having to extend the MAx cuts. Something has to get cut and with the frequency to SFO this was simply low hanging fruit.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:28 pm

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Sounds like a good time for AA to add DFW-DAY :scratchchin:

They already fly that and have scaled back from mainline to all regional service.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:37 pm

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Growth at SEA has stalled and will continue to stall in 2020 according to DL.

What would going fully into PDX entail exactly? Going fully into PDX/Alaska sounds quite reckless from DL's Point of View, they have more pressing things to do in SEA itself let alone the rest of their network.


DL going fully into PDX would entail (a) DL re-adding PDX-CVG nonstop service, (b) DL adding PDX-BOS, PDX-CDG, PDX-RDU, and PDX-ICN nonstop service, and (c) DL adding some point-to-point nonstop routes out of PDX to destinations other than DL hubs, DL focus cities, and SkyTeam partner hubs.

WN's domestic operation at PDX is also bigger than that of AA, DL, or UA, both by total number of domestic passengers and by number of domestic destinations served nonstop from PDX.

DL also currently operates a few nonstop routes out of PDX that do not currently have nonstop competition such as PDX-ATL, PDX-DTW, and PDX-NRT. AS used to serve both ATL and DTW nonstop from PDX, but dropped both PDX-ATL and PDX-DTW nonstop service.

Midwestindy wrote:
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UA IAH-SJC MAR 1.6>1.0[1.6]

I am surprised that this route only needs one flight per day, especially heading into summer


IAH-SFO is 9-10x daily with wide-bodies sprinkled in, and SJC-DEN can handle most of the West-->East connecting flows. UA's SJC presence is quite weak because of SFO, they don't even serve LAX from SJC


WN now serves HOU nonstop from SJC in addition to UA. UA can likely get by with 1 daily nonstop to IAH from SJC due to the WN SJC-HOU and UA SFO-IAH nonstop flights.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:41 pm

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CX HKG-SEA SEP 1.0>0.7[1.0]

DL struggled to run SEA-HKG daily and now apparently CX can’t maintain daily either. I don’t see SQ or CX lasting long in SEA.


CX announced capacity cuts several weeks ago. Traffic in/out of HKG is down measurably and has been for some time. Not at all surprising to see CX cut capacity on HKG-SEA but the circumstances are probably a bit different than DL's inability to operate SEA-HKG profitably.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:45 pm

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Midwestindy wrote:
Why is a 6-7am departure not "that great"?


Simple, most people enjoy sleep. Fewer humans 'want' to wake up at 3:30am for a 6:30am flight versus waking up at 6am for a 9am flight. If they are in that much of a time crunch to arrive at their destination early, many travelers would rather just go the night before.

There is a reason airports are quieter early in the morning. Fewer people.


Airports are not quieter early in the morning, especially not at non-hub airports. They get empty at 9-11AM when all the morning flights have left, 6-7am is the busiest time for DAY and most non-hub airports.

Not sure how often you travel for business, but a 9am flight is not business friendly at all. DAY-IAH is a nearly 3 hour flight and accounting for the time zone change that gets you to Houston at 11:30 ish generously, and considering IAH is a hub, connecting passengers would be getting to their final destination much later.

That's fine for leisure travelers, but not for a majority of passengers who are traveling during the work week
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Ishrion wrote:
Sounds like a good time for AA to add DFW-DAY :scratchchin:

They already fly that and have scaled back from mainline to all regional service.


Whoops, got it mixed up with CAK.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 12/29/2019: UA Adds DEN-DDC,ORD-DEC, Drops IAH-CAE/DAY

Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:55 pm

enilria wrote:
**UA DEC-ORD MAR 0>1.5[0] APR 0>1.7[0] MAY 0>1.7[0] JUN 0>1.7[0] JUL 0>1.7[0] AUG 0>1.7[0] SEP 0>1.7[0]


Wow, this is the first real airline service in Decatur since I don't know when. According to the Decatur airport website, this will replace Cape Air service.

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