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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:45 am

According to SAS children under 6 do not need face mask. I have not found any information about this on Norwegian website. Anyone know if children are in general exempted from face mask?
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:31 am

Wizz Air announces 12 new routes from Bacau (BCM). Bacau becomes Wizz's 11th new destination for 2020. One of the routes serve the Nordic region:
Billund (BLL) - 2x weekly - begins 1 November 2020
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:15 am

Wizz Air have announced a third based aircraft at Belgrade (BEG) along with 9 new routes including two Nordic routes:
Oslo Sandefjord Torp (TRF) - begins 19 July - 2x weekly
Turku (TKU) - begins 17 July - 2x weekly
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:15 am

Just announced, starting from July 2020, Wizz Air will be basing a third A320 in Belgrade with two new routes to the Nordics: Turku and Sandefjord.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:16 am

SAS har announced their July program, that will increase the aircraft in service from 30 to 40

https://www.sasgroup.net/newsroom/press ... g-in-july/
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:40 pm

Wizz Air are ending its Cluj (CLJ) - Billund (BLL) route from 30 June 2020
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:52 pm

Wizz Air announces its 32nd base - St Petersburg (LED). 1 A320 aircraft to be based and 5 new routes, including 3 Nordic routes:
Copenhagen (CPH) - 4x weekly - begins 18 September 2020
Oslo (OSL) - 3x weekly - begins 19 September 2020
Stockholm Skavsta (NYO) - 3x weekly - begins 19 September 2020
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:29 pm

SeanM1997 wrote:
Wizz Air announces its 32nd base - St Petersburg (LED). 1 A320 aircraft to be based and 5 new routes, including 3 Nordic routes:
Copenhagen (CPH) - 4x weekly - begins 18 September 2020
Oslo (OSL) - 3x weekly - begins 19 September 2020
Stockholm Skavsta (NYO) - 3x weekly - begins 19 September 2020


That was a big surprise :shock:
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:47 pm

Do they compete with anyone on those LED-Nordic destinations?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:13 pm

Blerg wrote:
Do they compete with anyone on those LED-Nordic destinations?


Competition:
Oslo - Rusline
Stockholm Skavsta - SAS (from Stockholm Arlanda)
Copenhagen - SAS
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:06 pm

SeanM1997 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Do they compete with anyone on those LED-Nordic destinations?


Competition:
Oslo - Rusline
Stockholm Skavsta - SAS (from Stockholm Arlanda)
Copenhagen - SAS


Rusline closed OSL-LED either last year or the year before

And SAS' CPH-LED is/was only seasonal
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:10 am

So basically they are entering unserved or underserved markets. Makes sense. I am sure that was one of the requirement by the Russians.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Thu Jun 18, 2020 6:33 am

Blerg wrote:
So basically they are entering unserved or underserved markets. Makes sense. I am sure that was one of the requirement by the Russians.


You may find this interesting regarding where 7th freedoms can happen from St Petersburg, what restrictions there are, and what markets are unserved and underserved in Europe

https://www.anna.aero/2020/01/20/st-pet ... countries/
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Thu Jun 18, 2020 6:53 am

Someone83 wrote:
SeanM1997 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Do they compete with anyone on those LED-Nordic destinations?


Competition:
Oslo - Rusline
Stockholm Skavsta - SAS (from Stockholm Arlanda)
Copenhagen - SAS


Rusline closed OSL-LED either last year or the year before

And SAS' CPH-LED is/was only seasonal

Indeed, SAS' CPH-LED was planned as seasonal, mainly due to Copenhagen and Saint Petersburg being the hosts in Group B for EURO2020. Since both cities have been confirmed as hosts for the rescheduled EURO2020 next summer, it's like that SAS will operate it again there. However I doubt it'll stay for longer than that
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:50 am

Novair (the airline of the travel agency Apollo) will operate charter flights between Denmark and Norway this summer.
Routes will be:
CPH-OSL
AAL-OSL
AAL-BGO

Flights are scheduled between 4 July-15 August.

Link in Danish:
http://presse.apollorejser.dk/pressrele ... ge-3007593
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:41 am

Wizz Air announces base no. 33 (3rd of the week) - Dortmund. 18 new routes including 1 Nordic route:
Reykjavik (KEF) - 2x weekly - begins 9 August (year-round)
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:30 pm

Sas crew has made a very cute song and video to keep the spirits and hopes up. Seems professionally made.

https://youtu.be/zHN8ZpgCF38
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:44 am

According to Skyliner: Atlantic Airways will take delivery of their second A320neo today

Airbus A320 -251N 10006 OY-RCL Atlantic Airways delivery 19jun20 TLS-CPH
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:11 pm

Just in, starting from 16.07 Air Serbia will be introducing two weekly BEG-OSL flights. It comes only days after Wizz Air introduced BEG-Sandefjord from July on the A321. Norwegian will be reinstating a one weekly flight between BEG and OSL from July as well.

It will be quite crowded now.

Thursday and Sunday

BEG-OSL 06.05-08.55
OSL-BEG 09.40-12.25

BEG-OSL 17.05-19.55
OSL-BEG 20.40-23.25

A319

https://www.exyuaviation.com/2020/06/ai ... -this.html
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:08 pm

Blerg wrote:
Just in, starting from 16.07 Air Serbia will be introducing two weekly BEG-OSL flights. It comes only days after Wizz Air introduced BEG-Sandefjord from July on the A321. Norwegian will be reinstating a one weekly flight between BEG and OSL from July as well.

It will be quite crowded now.

Thursday and Sunday

BEG-OSL 06.05-08.55
OSL-BEG 09.40-12.25

BEG-OSL 17.05-19.55
OSL-BEG 20.40-23.25

A319

https://www.exyuaviation.com/2020/06/ai ... -this.html

I thought only people from Denmark, Iceland and Finland can travel to Norway till 20th July ?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:36 pm

sabby wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Just in, starting from 16.07 Air Serbia will be introducing two weekly BEG-OSL flights. It comes only days after Wizz Air introduced BEG-Sandefjord from July on the A321. Norwegian will be reinstating a one weekly flight between BEG and OSL from July as well.

It will be quite crowded now.

Thursday and Sunday

BEG-OSL 06.05-08.55
OSL-BEG 09.40-12.25

BEG-OSL 17.05-19.55
OSL-BEG 20.40-23.25

A319

https://www.exyuaviation.com/2020/06/ai ... -this.html

I thought only people from Denmark, Iceland and Finland can travel to Norway till 20th July ?


No idea, I guess not since the three are resuming flights before then.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sun Jun 21, 2020 5:46 pm

sabby wrote:
I thought only people from Denmark, Iceland and Finland can travel to Norway till 20th July?

At the moment that is correct, I believe. Norway has strict entry measures. Citizens from many countries aren't welcome before the 20th of August. No midnight sun in Norway for me this year unfortunately. Too bad, because I am sure it would be safe.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sun Jun 21, 2020 7:04 pm

MartijnNL wrote:
sabby wrote:
I thought only people from Denmark, Iceland and Finland can travel to Norway till 20th July?

At the moment that is correct, I believe. Norway has strict entry measures. Citizens from many countries aren't welcome before the 20th of August. No midnight sun in Norway for me this year unfortunately. Too bad, because I am sure it would be safe.


It is extended to 20th August now for other European countries ? Damn! I was hoping to go in September/October (for work) and I'm not even in EU.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:14 am

SAS has just announced re-opening of further routes from CPH: Chania, Olbia, Venezia, Pisa, Pula, Thessalonika and Warsaw.

And frequency increase on: Oslo, Athen, Malaga, Nice, Reykjavik, Vagar, Stockholm, Chicago and New York

In Danish only so far:
https://www.sasgroup.net/newsroom/press ... er-i-juli/


Only checked CPH-OSL and that seems to increase frequencies from the current 2x to 5x daily during July
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:37 am

As it seems, flight PK752 between OSL and CPH is no longer on offer. Even on flight matrix no signs at all - any idea why?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:59 pm

sabby wrote:
MartijnNL wrote:
(...) Norway has strict entry measures. Citizens from many countries aren't welcome before the 20th of August. No midnight sun in Norway for me this year unfortunately. Too bad, because I am sure it would be safe.

It is extended to 20th August now for other European countries ? Damn! I was hoping to go in September/October (for work) and I'm not even in EU.

Norway didn’t extend the entry ban. It has been 20 August from the beginning.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:53 am

Widerøe is launching a new route between Bergen and London Southend from August 31st. 2x weekly, Monday and Friday, with their E190-E2

WF220 - BGO-SEN 08:30 - 09:25 15
WF221 - SEN-BGO 09:55 - 12:45 15
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:02 am

Someone83 wrote:
SAS has just announced re-opening of further routes from CPH: Chania, Olbia, Venezia, Pisa, Pula, Thessalonika and Warsaw.

And frequency increase on: Oslo, Athen, Malaga, Nice, Reykjavik, Vagar, Stockholm, Chicago and New York

In Danish only so far:
https://www.sasgroup.net/newsroom/press ... er-i-juli/


Only checked CPH-OSL and that seems to increase frequencies from the current 2x to 5x daily during July


Still no sign of SAS returning to Dublin. Any idea if that is planned? Lufthansa, KLM, AF, SWISS are already back with some sort of reduced schedules.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:40 am

debonair wrote:
As it seems, flight PK752 between OSL and CPH is no longer on offer. Even on flight matrix no signs at all - any idea why?


There have been many passengers with covid19 on that plane maybe it's the reason
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:47 am

Clydenairways wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
SAS has just announced re-opening of further routes from CPH: Chania, Olbia, Venezia, Pisa, Pula, Thessalonika and Warsaw.

And frequency increase on: Oslo, Athen, Malaga, Nice, Reykjavik, Vagar, Stockholm, Chicago and New York

In Danish only so far:
https://www.sasgroup.net/newsroom/press ... er-i-juli/


Only checked CPH-OSL and that seems to increase frequencies from the current 2x to 5x daily during July


Still no sign of SAS returning to Dublin. Any idea if that is planned? Lufthansa, KLM, AF, SWISS are already back with some sort of reduced schedules.

I would expect that DUB won't return for a while. FR will probably take what ever demand there is, like they already have with DUB-CPH.
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:28 pm

Clydenairways wrote:

Still no sign of SAS returning to Dublin. Any idea if that is planned? Lufthansa, KLM, AF, SWISS are already back with some sort of reduced schedules.


KLM never left Dublin !!

DUB-AMS was a unique European route during Corona days, as all three airlines kept their flights operating: EI, FR and KLM.

Sorry, not a Scandinavian issue !! :white:
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:41 pm

MartijnNL wrote:
sabby wrote:
MartijnNL wrote:
(...) Norway has strict entry measures. Citizens from many countries aren't welcome before the 20th of August. No midnight sun in Norway for me this year unfortunately. Too bad, because I am sure it would be safe.

It is extended to 20th August now for other European countries ? Damn! I was hoping to go in September/October (for work) and I'm not even in EU.

Norway didn’t extend the entry ban. It has been 20 August from the beginning.


I think that is the travel advisory to Norwegians and in general to people from all the countries. However, Norway is part of Schengen zone and and a member of EEA. So they sort of need to be in line with EU guidance. It says here that for other EU countries, decision will be taken on 20th July and they are following the EU development - https://www.regjeringen.no/en/topics/fo ... box2704237 .
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:06 pm

factsonly wrote:
Clydenairways wrote:

Still no sign of SAS returning to Dublin. Any idea if that is planned? Lufthansa, KLM, AF, SWISS are already back with some sort of reduced schedules.


KLM never left Dublin !!

DUB-AMS was a unique European route during Corona days, as all three airlines kept their flights operating: EI, FR and KLM.

Sorry, not a Scandinavian issue !! :white:


DUB is basically still shut down, so close to no demand. That’s what holding SAS back from DUB.
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:46 pm

sabby wrote:
MartijnNL wrote:
sabby wrote:
It is extended to 20th August now for other European countries ? Damn! I was hoping to go in September/October (for work) and I'm not even in EU.

Norway didn’t extend the entry ban. It has been 20 August from the beginning.


I think that is the travel advisory to Norwegians and in general to people from all the countries. However, Norway is part of Schengen zone and and a member of EEA. So they sort of need to be in line with EU guidance. It says here that for other EU countries, decision will be taken on 20th July and they are following the EU development - https://www.regjeringen.no/en/topics/fo ... box2704237 .


The Schengen Treaty allows the Schengen nations to implement border controls and various restrictions in special circumstances. And that's what happened during the COVID-19 situation. Norway or any other Schengen nation can implement the travel restrictions they find proper for the situation at any given time regardless of what any other nation has implemented.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:05 pm

A majority in the Danish Parliament have agreed on a 260m DKK substantial aid package for the aviation business.

The package includes:
135m DKK to make domestic routes in Denmark (country not kingdom) temporary PSO routes from 1 August-31 December. The Danish Government will buy seats covering up to 70% of the load factor.

25m DKK will go towards innovation in greener fuel sources.

90m DKK to cover the airports losses for reducing airport taxes by 25% temporarily until 31 December.

9m DKK will go to "Vestdanmark Connected", a programme for attracting new routes to Western Denmark.

Link in Danish:
https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/polit ... ner-kroner
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:10 pm

New PSO routes to Thisted then ? ;-)
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:24 pm

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New PSO routes to Thisted then ? ;-)

Ha! It's 2020 so who know what's gonna happen? :lol: I actually wouldn't be surprised if someone actually proposed that since Thisted recently lost their direct train service to Copenhagen
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:59 am

According to their website, Wizz Air will be discontinuing the following routes to the Nordics from SKP: Turku, Copenhagen and Gothenburg.

That's quite a few flights, I guess they will be left with Vaxjo, Skavsta and Malmo.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:45 am

JetTime have announced they'll lay off 90% of their staff, essentially mothballing the airline for a period of 6-12 months. Logic dictates it's questionable whether the airline will ever take flight again.

https://nyheder.tv2.dk/business/2020-06 ... ke-ansatte
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:37 am

Croatia Airlines drops three Scandinavian routes for S20:

- ZAG – ARN 3x weekly
- ZAG – HEL 3x weekly
- ZAG – OSL 3x weekly
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:32 am

SASViking wrote:
A majority in the Danish Parliament have agreed on a 260m DKK substantial aid package for the aviation business.

The package includes:
135m DKK to make domestic routes in Denmark (country not kingdom) temporary PSO routes from 1 August-31 December. The Danish Government will buy seats covering up to 70% of the load factor.


Which routes are we talking about?

I have to admit I find it a bit strange that a country as small as Denmark need domestic flights, apart from routes to Bornholm.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:53 am

Anholt and Læsø need air routes as islands. Ærø as an island has (very) limited service with Starling Air
Aalborg to Copenhagen by train is 4h45
Viborg to Copenhagen is 4h45, while Herning to Copenhagen is 3h45, hence Karup-CPH flights
Aarhus to Copenhagen is borderline at just 3h by train - perhaps necessary for those connecting at CPH though. Similiar story for Billund-CPH
Sønderborg-Copenhagen is 3h30 by train
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:03 am

Seems like the situation on BEG-Oslo will be fun to watch this summer. Wizz Air just revised their BEG-Sandefjord flights and now they operate on the same days as JU's BEG-OSL. We will have to see what DY does with all this and if they will keep their flights in the end.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:13 am

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Aalborg to Copenhagen by train is 4h45
Viborg to Copenhagen is 4h45, while Herning to Copenhagen is 3h45, hence Karup-CPH flights
Aarhus to Copenhagen is borderline at just 3h by train - perhaps necessary for those connecting at CPH though. Similiar story for Billund-CPH
Sønderborg-Copenhagen is 3h30 by train


I know that the Danish railways are in pretty bad shape, but it could be a lot better. E.g. Copenhagen to Ålborg via Odense, Frederica, Århus is less than 400 km, i.e. shorter than Stockholm-Gothenburg that is about 3 hours by train.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:16 am

Bostrom wrote:
SASViking wrote:
A majority in the Danish Parliament have agreed on a 260m DKK substantial aid package for the aviation business.

The package includes:
135m DKK to make domestic routes in Denmark (country not kingdom) temporary PSO routes from 1 August-31 December. The Danish Government will buy seats covering up to 70% of the load factor.


Which routes are we talking about?

I have to admit I find it a bit strange that a country as small as Denmark need domestic flights, apart from routes to Bornholm.

Every domestic route that operated until the lockdown.

Denmark may be small, but it's extremely awkward geographically. As mentioned by David, some routes are to Islands others take ages by train.
Most of the routes are essential for business travellers, connections and people going to the hospital in Copenhagen
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:09 am

Not very unexpected, but definitely tough times ahead for aviation in the Nordic countries. According to the article below, Scandinavian Airlines to let go of 560 pilots.

https://simpleflying.com/sas-pilots-laid-off/
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:29 am

SASViking wrote:
Bostrom wrote:
SASViking wrote:
A majority in the Danish Parliament have agreed on a 260m DKK substantial aid package for the aviation business.

The package includes:
135m DKK to make domestic routes in Denmark (country not kingdom) temporary PSO routes from 1 August-31 December. The Danish Government will buy seats covering up to 70% of the load factor.


Which routes are we talking about?

I have to admit I find it a bit strange that a country as small as Denmark need domestic flights, apart from routes to Bornholm.

Every domestic route that operated until the lockdown.

Denmark may be small, but it's extremely awkward geographically. As mentioned by David, some routes are to Islands others take ages by train.
Most of the routes are essential for business travellers, connections and people going to the hospital in Copenhagen


There is nothing awkward about Danish geography, it's only a lack of political will and investment in railways. Even the failing hour plan was unambitious, Copenhagen to Aarhus could easily be done in less than 90 minutes by train if they invested in proper HSR, and that isn't even counting the bridge concept from Sjælland to Århus.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:09 am

SASViking wrote:
Every domestic route that operated until the lockdown.

Denmark may be small, but it's extremely awkward geographically. As mentioned by David, some routes are to Islands others take ages by train.
Most of the routes are essential for business travellers, connections and people going to the hospital in Copenhagen


Thank you!

No, Denmark is not that geographically awkward. There are some islands, but there are no mountains. And since the bridge over Storebælt was opened the only reason it takes ages by trains from some parts of Jutland to Copenhagen is lack of political will to do something about the railway. As I mentioned earlier, Copenhagen-Ålborg is shorter than Stockholm-Gothenburg but takes a lot longer.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:10 am

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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:34 am

VSMUT wrote:
SASViking wrote:
Bostrom wrote:

Which routes are we talking about?

I have to admit I find it a bit strange that a country as small as Denmark need domestic flights, apart from routes to Bornholm.

Every domestic route that operated until the lockdown.

Denmark may be small, but it's extremely awkward geographically. As mentioned by David, some routes are to Islands others take ages by train.
Most of the routes are essential for business travellers, connections and people going to the hospital in Copenhagen


There is nothing awkward about Danish geography, it's only a lack of political will and investment in railways. Even the failing hour plan was unambitious, Copenhagen to Aarhus could easily be done in less than 90 minutes by train if they invested in proper HSR, and that isn't even counting the bridge concept from Sjælland to Århus.

Having a lot of Islands is awkward, so is the many fjords.It's not only about the traffic between Copenhagen and Jutland.
There's already one HSR between Copenhagen and Ringsted on Zealand and one planned between Odense and Middelfart (don't giggle) on Funen. They won't help much. The bottle necks are the Little Belt Bridge and the Great Belt link. Every train going cross country has to drive via those two points, from fast InterCityLyn trains to the slow freight trains. For 90 minutes between Copenhagen and Aarhus to be realistic, and not building a link across Kattegat and Samsø, you'd have to build 3-4 new bridges, on top of the HSR. One across Great Belt, Little Belt, Vejle Fjord and probably also Horsens Fjord. That's gonna be extremely expensive.
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