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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:05 am

Estonian carrier XFly is interested in low yield domestic routes in Finland and small airports toARN and plans to hire crew at TMP and TKU.

Link in Finnish:

https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-11564481
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:59 am

Juneyao Airlines extends Zhengzhen – Helsinki service into the W20 season. Both PVG and CGO will be served once a week.

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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:02 am

ilari wrote:
Estonian carrier XFly is interested in low yield domestic routes in Finland and small airports toARN and plans to hire crew at TMP and TKU.

Link in Finnish:

https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-11564481

It would fantastic if they stated domestic flights in Finland and co-operation with AY would be nice.
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Oct 02, 2020 11:24 am

QuawerAir wrote:
ilari wrote:
Estonian carrier XFly is interested in low yield domestic routes in Finland and small airports toARN and plans to hire crew at TMP and TKU.

Link in Finnish:

https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-11564481

It would fantastic if they stated domestic flights in Finland and co-operation with AY would be nice.


Definetly. The ARN flights would be with SK tho.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Oct 02, 2020 12:11 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
ilari wrote:
Estonian carrier XFly is interested in low yield domestic routes in Finland and small airports toARN and plans to hire crew at TMP and TKU.

Link in Finnish:

https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-11564481

It would fantastic if they stated domestic flights in Finland and co-operation with AY would be nice.


Why would it be fantastic? I would personally prefer to see AY/Norra winning the bid for KEM, KOK, KAJ, JYV, JOE for at least two reasons: 1. The airline would be familiar with operating into those airports and Finnish winter conditions, 2. Connectivity to the AY network and FF program would be guaranteed, without which those flights would be at least -50% less useful in the first place.

Only thing Xfly can provide is even lower labor costs.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:30 pm

EFHK wrote:
Why would it be fantastic? I would personally prefer to see AY/Norra winning the bid for KEM, KOK, KAJ, JYV, JOE for at least two reasons: 1. The airline would be familiar with operating into those airports and Finnish winter conditions, 2. Connectivity to the AY network and FF program would be guaranteed, without which those flights would be at least -50% less useful in the first place.

Only thing Xfly can provide is even lower labor costs.
Being a bit familiar with Xfly, they already operate in Nordic winter conditions and have done so for years, and are also performing entire two day simulator training sessions dedicated to winter operations. If it is acceptable to SAS... And to be honest, nothing much special about the airports you mention that require specific local knowledge. Xfly are also a capacity provider, meaning they will most likely want to operate it either for AY or SK or another airline and therefore any of their FF programs or connecting flights. And in a situation where Finnair deemed it not commercially viable to continue those domestic routes, is a lower cost base to continue not preferable then?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:34 pm

intrance wrote:
EFHK wrote:
Why would it be fantastic? I would personally prefer to see AY/Norra winning the bid for KEM, KOK, KAJ, JYV, JOE for at least two reasons: 1. The airline would be familiar with operating into those airports and Finnish winter conditions, 2. Connectivity to the AY network and FF program would be guaranteed, without which those flights would be at least -50% less useful in the first place.

Only thing Xfly can provide is even lower labor costs.
Being a bit familiar with Xfly, they already operate in Nordic winter conditions and have done so for years, and are also performing entire two day simulator training sessions dedicated to winter operations. If it is acceptable to SAS... And to be honest, nothing much special about the airports you mention that require specific local knowledge. Xfly are also a capacity provider, meaning they will most likely want to operate it either for AY or SK or another airline and therefore any of their FF programs or connecting flights. And in a situation where Finnair deemed it not commercially viable to continue those domestic routes, is a lower cost base to continue not preferable then?


Thanks for the response - I'm glad to hear some insights into XFly. I readily admit that my response and attitude was having some prejudice, coming from the background of having had some bad experiences/mishaps by Baltic/Eastern European feeder carriers in Finland previously especially in winter conditions (read: Raf-Avia) (Budapest (BaSE) being a notable positive exception), and that I personally feel more secure with a domestic crew (which may or may not correlate with reality at all). I am also, as probably is everyone in every country, very worried about the future of the local aviation sector, and especially as these routes will be subsidized by the government, I would much prefer to see those funds going to a local company.

With that said, I can't deny that commercially, XFly would probably make sense to those routes, especially if they do it in cooperation with AY, and even more especially if it would be done through a capacity agreement. I'm just not sure whether the latter would be possible, if XFly and AY/Norra submit competing offers. And in the end, the most important thing is that those smaller cities would continue to be served with a convenient air access to the world, which I believe probably was QuawerAir's intention and message in the first place - with which I whole-heartedly agree with.

By the way, were JetTime's ATR operations effectively moved to XFly when they ceased?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:14 pm

BT Nordic reductions this winter season.

BLL 7 to 4
GOT 6 to 4
HEL 20 to 14
OSL 14 to 12
KEF 3 to 2
ARN 18 to 14
TKU 5 to 4

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-30sep20/
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Oct 03, 2020 5:28 am

EFHK wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
ilari wrote:
Estonian carrier XFly is interested in low yield domestic routes in Finland and small airports toARN and plans to hire crew at TMP and TKU.

Link in Finnish:

https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-11564481

It would fantastic if they stated domestic flights in Finland and co-operation with AY would be nice.


Why would it be fantastic? I would personally prefer to see AY/Norra winning the bid for KEM, KOK, KAJ, JYV, JOE for at least two reasons: 1. The airline would be familiar with operating into those airports and Finnish winter conditions, 2. Connectivity to the AY network and FF program would be guaranteed, without which those flights would be at least -50% less useful in the first place.

Only thing Xfly can provide is even lower labor costs.

I'd prefer AY/Norra as well but I meant that if they won't continue to operate to these airports, I'd be happy to see other airline taking over the routes.
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Oct 03, 2020 5:52 am

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By the way, were JetTime's ATR operations effectively moved to XFly when they ceased?


From SAS' point of view, yes, they took just replaced JetTime flying the same type of aircraft on the same routes. But Nordica/Regional Jet/Xfly and JetTime aren't related at all, and it was more a case of the former setting up an ATR operation completely from scratch, than taking over anything from JetTime.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:40 am

EFHK wrote:

By the way, were JetTime's ATR operations effectively moved to XFly when they ceased?


Assume you meant FlyBe?

It is a long time since JetTime flew ATRs for SAS
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Oct 03, 2020 2:16 pm

In May 2020, Finavia made known that Enontekiö airport might be closed permanently. Has anything changed since then ?

https://www.foreigner.fi/articulo/busin ... 05632.html
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Oct 03, 2020 2:49 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
In May 2020, Finavia made known that Enontekiö airport might be closed permanently. Has anything changed since then ?

https://www.foreigner.fi/articulo/busin ... 05632.html

Yes, in August it was decided that Finavia will operate the airport for the winter season and thereafter it will be handed over to the municipality of Enontekiö.
Finavia has repaved the whole runway during the summer.
https://www.lentoposti.fi/uutiset/enont ... alvikauden (Only in finnish)
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Oct 03, 2020 3:11 pm

EFHK wrote:
intrance wrote:
EFHK wrote:
Why would it be fantastic? I would personally prefer to see AY/Norra winning the bid for KEM, KOK, KAJ, JYV, JOE for at least two reasons: 1. The airline would be familiar with operating into those airports and Finnish winter conditions, 2. Connectivity to the AY network and FF program would be guaranteed, without which those flights would be at least -50% less useful in the first place.

Only thing Xfly can provide is even lower labor costs.
Being a bit familiar with Xfly, they already operate in Nordic winter conditions and have done so for years, and are also performing entire two day simulator training sessions dedicated to winter operations. If it is acceptable to SAS... And to be honest, nothing much special about the airports you mention that require specific local knowledge. Xfly are also a capacity provider, meaning they will most likely want to operate it either for AY or SK or another airline and therefore any of their FF programs or connecting flights. And in a situation where Finnair deemed it not commercially viable to continue those domestic routes, is a lower cost base to continue not preferable then?


Thanks for the response - I'm glad to hear some insights into XFly. I readily admit that my response and attitude was having some prejudice, coming from the background of having had some bad experiences/mishaps by Baltic/Eastern European feeder carriers in Finland previously especially in winter conditions (read: Raf-Avia) (Budapest (BaSE) being a notable positive exception), and that I personally feel more secure with a domestic crew (which may or may not correlate with reality at all). I am also, as probably is everyone in every country, very worried about the future of the local aviation sector, and especially as these routes will be subsidized by the government, I would much prefer to see those funds going to a local company.


And Xfly's parent company Nordica flies a PSO route from Stockholm to Lapland so there is Nordic winter experience available in the organisation.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Oct 03, 2020 3:43 pm

Last weekend I spent an interesting day at Stockholm Arlanda Airport. I noticed SAS was operating the Airbus A319 here. Does anybody have more information about this? Are there still four in the fleet? Are they all active? Where are these aircraft normally based? What destinations do they serve and for how long? During my stay I saw three of them in the air, OY-KBO/P/T. Destinations were Göteborg, Luleå and Milan and probably some more.

It was my first planespotting weekend in seven months. And it turned out to be a memorable one. Empty trains, empty hotels, empty shuttle buses, empty terminal buildings, closed shops and restaurants, I have never seen anything like it. I felt pretty safe during my travels, but at times almost alone on the world.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:23 pm

MartijnNL wrote:
Last weekend I spent an interesting day at Stockholm Arlanda Airport. I noticed SAS was operating the Airbus A319 here. Does anybody have more information about this? Are there still four in the fleet? Are they all active? Where are these aircraft normally based? What destinations do they serve and for how long? During my stay I saw three of them in the air, OY-KBO/P/T. Destinations were Göteborg, Luleå and Milan and probably some more.

It was my first planespotting weekend in seven months. And it turned out to be a memorable one. Empty trains, empty hotels, empty shuttle buses, empty terminal buildings, closed shops and restaurants, I have never seen anything like it. I felt pretty safe during my travels, but at times almost alone on the world.

All four of the SAS A319s were moved from CPH to ARN after the retirement of the 737-600s and -700s at ARN in late-2019/early-2020. All are still active and operated as late as yesterday (Friday). Before Covid, they operated on the pretty much all short-medium haul routes together with the A320Neos and A320Ceos also based at ARN, however due to the Covid they pretty much only operate on domestic routes in Sweden with a few flights on thinner European routes once in a while
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:02 pm

MartijnNL wrote:
Last weekend I spent an interesting day at Stockholm Arlanda Airport. I noticed SAS was operating the Airbus A319 here. Does anybody have more information about this? Are there still four in the fleet? Are they all active? Where are these aircraft normally based? What destinations do they serve and for how long? During my stay I saw three of them in the air, OY-KBO/P/T. Destinations were Göteborg, Luleå and Milan and probably some more.

It was my first planespotting weekend in seven months. And it turned out to be a memorable one. Empty trains, empty hotels, empty shuttle buses, empty terminal buildings, closed shops and restaurants, I have never seen anything like it. I felt pretty safe during my travels, but at times almost alone on the world.


Is KBO still in the Viking livery?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:22 pm

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Is KBO still in the Viking livery?

Yes, it is. For sure a great looking aircraft.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:31 pm

MartijnNL wrote:
okobjorn wrote:
Is KBO still in the Viking livery?

Yes, it is. For sure a great looking aircraft.


Legendary!
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:52 pm

Wizzair is holding a press conference regarding Norway tomorrow. Expect some new routes
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:53 am

Someone83 wrote:
Wizzair is holding a press conference regarding Norway tomorrow. Expect some new routes


Source? Can’t find it myself

Edit: found this https://www.abcnyheter.no/nyheter/norge ... ian-og-sas
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:31 am

Will be interesting to see what Wizz Air does now in Norway. From what I remember they didn't have that much success in the past when it came to Norway-western Europe.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:05 am

They have applied for slots for OSL-BGO/TRD/TOS. Poor Norwegian
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:30 am

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They have applied for slots for OSL-BGO/TRD/TOS. Poor Norwegian


Poor Norwegian? How about poor Wizz Air crew. Romanian and Hungarian wages in Norway, ouch. Wizz Air cabin crew earn less than 900 eur / 9000 NOK per month.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 8:16 am

VSMUT wrote:
minilinde wrote:
They have applied for slots for OSL-BGO/TRD/TOS. Poor Norwegian


Poor Norwegian? How about poor Wizz Air crew. Romanian and Hungarian wages in Norway, ouch. Wizz Air cabin crew earn less than 900 eur / 9000 NOK per month.


I'd expect Wizz to operate those sectors via crews&planes from other countries, namely Poland/Latvia/Lithuania/Romania?

Unless they plan to establish a base in OSL...
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 8:23 am

I wonder if they could have any plans to launch services down to typical holiday resorts for Norwegians such as the Canaries and other ports in Spain... That could truly hit Norwegian. That'll mean local base in OSL for sure. Let's hold for the press conference;)
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 8:32 am

VSMUT wrote:
minilinde wrote:
They have applied for slots for OSL-BGO/TRD/TOS. Poor Norwegian


Poor Norwegian? How about poor Wizz Air crew. Romanian and Hungarian wages in Norway, ouch. Wizz Air cabin crew earn less than 900 eur / 9000 NOK per month.

Wait, seriously?? I made between 8000-11000SEK washing dishes (around 20hr/week give or take) during my master! I thought there are unions in Nordic countries that regulates wages for every sector and prevents extreme under payments.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 8:37 am

A new Norwegian airline plan to start up in 2021, with 5 either A320s og 737-800s. Seems like the Braathens family is involved, which own BRA, and several former Norwegian employees

No info about name of the airline

In Norwegian:
https://kommunikasjon.ntb.no/pressemeld ... d=17893264
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 9:20 am

trent768 wrote:
VSMUT wrote:
minilinde wrote:
They have applied for slots for OSL-BGO/TRD/TOS. Poor Norwegian


Poor Norwegian? How about poor Wizz Air crew. Romanian and Hungarian wages in Norway, ouch. Wizz Air cabin crew earn less than 900 eur / 9000 NOK per month.

Wait, seriously?? I made between 8000-11000SEK washing dishes (around 20hr/week give or take) during my master! I thought there are unions in Nordic countries that regulates wages for every sector and prevents extreme under payments.


Welcome to aviation. Because airlines operate across borders, they can avoid unions. FYI, Wizz Air pilots start out at €1320/14320NOK/13850SEK.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:02 am

This looks like a Braathens restart with Norwegian’s genious start-up and Norway-strategy, no liabilities or silly debts from Long-Haul overachieving, superb access to cheap aircraft right now, and some of the most experienced and successfull people onboard. They probably know they can get a great market if they can only give Norwegian or SAS the final push over the edge.

Not the worst airline start-up idea I have heard.

Let’s hope they go A220, that would be the perfect aircraft for competing against SAS Neos.


Someone83 wrote:
A new Norwegian airline plan to start up in 2021, with 5 either A320s og 737-800s. Seems like the Braathens family is involved, which own BRA, and several former Norwegian employees

No info about name of the airline

In Norwegian:
https://kommunikasjon.ntb.no/pressemeld ... d=17893264
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:47 am

M564038 wrote:
This looks like a Braathens restart with Norwegian’s genious start-up and Norway-strategy, no liabilities or silly debts from Long-Haul overachieving, superb access to cheap aircraft right now, and some of the most experienced and successfull people onboard. They probably know they can get a great market if they can only give Norwegian or SAS the final push over the edge.

Not the worst airline start-up idea I have heard.

Let’s hope they go A220, that would be the perfect aircraft for competing against SAS Neos.


Someone83 wrote:
A new Norwegian airline plan to start up in 2021, with 5 either A320s og 737-800s. Seems like the Braathens family is involved, which own BRA, and several former Norwegian employees

No info about name of the airline

In Norwegian:
https://kommunikasjon.ntb.no/pressemeld ... d=17893264


They say themselvs that they are looking at 738's or A320's. There are probably no available A220's out in the market to get 5-10 aircraft within a year. There press release today was probably pushed forward, due to Wizz announcement today.
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:53 am

minilinde wrote:
They say themselvs that they are looking at 738's or A320's. There are probably no available A220's out in the market to get 5-10 aircraft within a year. There press release today was probably pushed forward, due to Wizz announcement today.


A used 738 or A320, will also probably be cheaper to lease than a A220
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:55 am

Agreed. Although I think they should use the down market to look at the most modern aircraft they can find to set them a part.

Many of these guys are straight out of Norwegian top leadership. I think these news are far more omnious warnings about Norwegian’s future than most I have heard. There was also a worrysome interview with Bjørn Kjos a month back, where it seemed he didn’t have much faith in his former baby’s future.


minilinde wrote:
M564038 wrote:
This looks like a Braathens restart with Norwegian’s genious start-up and Norway-strategy, no liabilities or silly debts from Long-Haul overachieving, superb access to cheap aircraft right now, and some of the most experienced and successfull people onboard. They probably know they can get a great market if they can only give Norwegian or SAS the final push over the edge.

Not the worst airline start-up idea I have heard.

Let’s hope they go A220, that would be the perfect aircraft for competing against SAS Neos.


Someone83 wrote:
A new Norwegian airline plan to start up in 2021, with 5 either A320s og 737-800s. Seems like the Braathens family is involved, which own BRA, and several former Norwegian employees

No info about name of the airline

In Norwegian:
https://kommunikasjon.ntb.no/pressemeld ... d=17893264


They say themselvs that they are looking at 738's or A320's. There are probably no available A220's out in the market to get 5-10 aircraft within a year. There press release today was probably pushed forward, due to Wizz announcement today.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:30 am

Wizz seems to be base 1 A321 at OSL from November 5th. 2x TRD, 2x BGO and 1x TOS. Increasing to 2 aircraft later (mid December) so see 4x to TRD and BGO, and 2x to TOS then
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:45 am

Interesting Wizz doesn't enter SVG-OSL.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:24 pm

Someone83 wrote:
A new Norwegian airline plan to start up in 2021, with 5 either A320s og 737-800s. Seems like the Braathens family is involved, which own BRA, and several former Norwegian employees

No info about name of the airline

In Norwegian:
https://kommunikasjon.ntb.no/pressemeld ... d=17893264

They say themselvs that they are looking at 738's or A320's. There are probably no available A220's out in the market to get 5-10 aircraft within a year. There press release today was probably pushed forward, due to Wizz announcement today.


There are six brand new A220-300s sitting in the Netherlands, NTU by Red Wings.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:02 pm

There really isn’t room in Norway for 4 main line domestic carriers plus WF even in pre Covid19 times that wouldn’t work.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:13 pm

What is the status of Wideroe's new livery? Has it or will it be painted on the Q400 fleet?

Second, does anyone know what is going on with BRA? Will they return?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:19 pm

So both Wizz and the Braathen/Norwegian-gang is preparing to jump in replacing Norwegian.
I would use my Norwegian Cash points pretty darn quickly, this is the first time I actually think they will go bust.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:44 pm

seansasLCY wrote:
Second, does anyone know what is going on with BRA? Will they return?


I had a look at their website if that is to be trusted, the reconstruction is done and they will return. No date was mentioned but rather "some time in september or october".
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:48 pm

This might force Norwegian to speed up its ramp up as soon as new market opportunities appear.
Even with a 4x/daily to BGO/TRD, I don't see Wizz hitting too much Norwegian, which still serves both places with more frequencies and better times.
However, I assume that Wizz base in OSL may soon mean more connections to Europe from OSL which will truly hit Norwegian. I believe DY trusted short-haul business to help them and their finances. Especially if Wizz dare to enter traditional goldmines like OSL-Canaries, OSL-ALC/AGP, OSL-Greece... which I assume Wizz will.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:03 pm

What kind of airline was Braathens back in the day? Can someone tell me more about them?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:14 pm

I don't think there's room for SAS, Norwegian, Wizz and Braathens in the Norway domestic market, especially post-Corona.

One or more will have to go belly up for it to become profitable. But this is definately the time to shake things up. There are some great deals to be had on aircraft finance/leasing as well as crew.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:16 pm

M564038 wrote:

Many of these guys are straight out of Norwegian top leadership. I think these news are far more omnious warnings about Norwegian’s future than most I have heard. There was also a worrysome interview with Bjørn Kjos a month back, where it seemed he didn’t have much faith in his former baby’s future.



Let's keep in mind that Kjos himself bankrupted his "former baby", only him being kicked out by the board and replaced by Geir Karlsen is the reason what's left of Norwegian is still around today. And all those ex Norwegian top execs were the ones running for bankruptcy under Kjos watch... So for "the most experienced and succesful people onboard", experienced yes, but succesful... :scratchchin:
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:40 pm

https://www.nrk.no/norge/ap-raymond-adv ... 1.15189640

Wizz Air's CEO refuses to strike a deal with Norwegian Unions, will use staff under existing contracts.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:54 pm

You gotta remember the norwegian part of Norwegian was always successful. The norwegian part of SAS’ too. Rich people with long distances, bad roads, active de-sentralization policies and export industries far north and west gives a whole lot of flying!


CeddP wrote:
M564038 wrote:

Many of these guys are straight out of Norwegian top leadership. I think these news are far more omnious warnings about Norwegian’s future than most I have heard. There was also a worrysome interview with Bjørn Kjos a month back, where it seemed he didn’t have much faith in his former baby’s future.



Let's keep in mind that Kjos himself bankrupted his "former baby", only him being kicked out by the board and replaced by Geir Karlsen is the reason what's left of Norwegian is still around today. And all those ex Norwegian top execs were the ones running for bankruptcy under Kjos watch... So for "the most experienced and succesful people onboard", experienced yes, but succesful... :scratchchin:
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Thu Oct 08, 2020 12:38 pm

I found the passenger numbers for a couple of Nordic airlines in September. As expected, none are doing great.

SAS: 614.000
Norwegian: 319.000
Finnair: 115.500
Icelandair: 24.626
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:59 pm

Bostrom wrote:
I found the passenger numbers for a couple of Nordic airlines in September. As expected, none are doing great.

SAS: 614.000
Norwegian: 319.000
Finnair: 115.500
Icelandair: 24.626


SAS' numbers was actually 100.000 less vs August, while Norwegian was stable (+ a few thousands)
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:36 am

OSL september numbers:

Total: 574.574 -78.4%
Domestic: 446.057 -59,5%
International: 128.517 -91,7%

This is about 145.000 less passengers compared to August
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:00 am

Bostrom wrote:
I found the passenger numbers for a couple of Nordic airlines in September. As expected, none are doing great.

SAS: 614.000
Norwegian: 319.000
Finnair: 115.500
Icelandair: 24.626




Seems like SAS is doing way better than the others in this situation. My guess is it’s thanks to lots of domestic traffic and different sized planes.

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