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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:32 pm

kanye wrote:
Bostrom wrote:
I found the passenger numbers for a couple of Nordic airlines in September. As expected, none are doing great.

SAS: 614.000
Norwegian: 319.000
Finnair: 115.500
Icelandair: 24.626




Seems like SAS is doing way better than the others in this situation. My guess is it’s thanks to lots of domestic traffic and different sized planes.


I'm not sure the plane sizes makes much difference, but yes, it is probably a lot of (mostly Norwegian) domestic traffic. Compare that to Icelandair that has no domestic routes and normally a lot of transatlantic transit passengers.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:15 pm

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It could make sense. Operate Scandinavia to LGW (very little competition on low cost from Scandinavia) and then connect to a long haul network at LGW where there is the market to operate a decent sized long haul network. Why bother going on LGW-ALC against all the other carriers.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:43 pm

LGW-ALC is not a market where Norwegian can compete effectively. They can however compete on routes between London and both the Nordic capitals and also 2nd tier Nordic cities - e.g. Bergen or Gothenburg. They were useful for flying O&D between London and the Nordics pre-Covid - a shame that they can't sustain a small B737 base in London to service routes to the Nordic countries
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Oct 09, 2020 9:27 pm

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LGW-ALC is not a market where Norwegian can compete effectively. They can however compete on routes between London and both the Nordic capitals and also 2nd tier Nordic cities - e.g. Bergen or Gothenburg. They were useful for flying O&D between London and the Nordics pre-Covid - a shame that they can't sustain a small B737 base in London to service routes to the Nordic countries


That’s the point I was making. But they can serve those routes without a LGW base. They can operate out from Scandinavia. I.e. ARN-LGW-GOT-LGW-ARN. There’s limited competition to Scandinavia (basically no EasyJet, a few Ryanair flights and a couple of Wizz routes) and the rest are more expensive SAS and BA (who also have a fairly limited route network now. BA only serve Oslo in Norway, GOT and ARN in Sweden, withdrew from HEL).
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:20 pm

If Norwegian are to fly from London to several seconday Nordic cities (Bergen, Trondheim, Gothenburg, Rovaniemi, etc) it becomes much harder to achieve this with aircraft based in Scandinavia - you need either bases in a lot of secondary cities, or you fly W patterns, or you have a base in London. By closing a London base, I imagine service to secondary cities will be reduced, leaving routes to just the capitals
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:36 am

davidjohnson6 wrote:
If Norwegian are to fly from London to several seconday Nordic cities (Bergen, Trondheim, Gothenburg, Rovaniemi, etc) it becomes much harder to achieve this with aircraft based in Scandinavia - you need either bases in a lot of secondary cities, or you fly W patterns, or you have a base in London. By closing a London base, I imagine service to secondary cities will be reduced, leaving routes to just the capitals


Norwegian has bases in several of the secondary Nordic cities
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:17 am

Is there a new Swedish airline called Nordic Airways planned?

http://flynordic.com/

So far only a name and website though
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:44 am

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Is there a new Swedish airline called Nordic Airways planned?

http://flynordic.com/

So far only a name and website though


Is this the new Braathens venture or is that already something else?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:53 am

User001 wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
Is there a new Swedish airline called Nordic Airways planned?

http://flynordic.com/

So far only a name and website though


Is this the new Braathens venture or is that already something else?


No, this is something in Sweden

«Braathens» or what ever the name will be have their own website

https://nyttflyselskap.no/
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:37 am

Icelandair sells three B757s for $21 million Dollars. FI will have 22 B757 left in its fleet.

https://www.aerotime.aero/gabriele/2610 ... book-value
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:18 am

Blerg wrote:
Icelandair sells three B757s for $21 million Dollars. FI will have 22 B757 left in its fleet.

https://www.aerotime.aero/gabriele/2610 ... book-value


Also scrapping 4, bringing the total to 18.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:42 am

Someone83 wrote:
Is there a new Swedish airline called Nordic Airways planned?

http://flynordic.com/

So far only a name and website though

I can really feel the "Norrland-based PSO airline with a 19-seaters aircraft" vibe just by looking at the web lol!
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sun Oct 11, 2020 8:44 am

VSMUT wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Icelandair sells three B757s for $21 million Dollars. FI will have 22 B757 left in its fleet.

https://www.aerotime.aero/gabriele/2610 ... book-value


Also scrapping 4, bringing the total to 18.


Are those 4 being parked or are they also selling them? Maybe some cargo airline might be interested in them.

I suppose FI expects MAX to be back in the skies by the time demand recovers.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:29 am

Blerg wrote:
VSMUT wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Icelandair sells three B757s for $21 million Dollars. FI will have 22 B757 left in its fleet.

https://www.aerotime.aero/gabriele/2610 ... book-value


Also scrapping 4, bringing the total to 18.


Are those 4 being parked or are they also selling them? Maybe some cargo airline might be interested in them.


It is being discussed here:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1452653&p=22457879&hilit=iceland#p22457879

3 have been sold and will be converted to cargo, 4 are being scrapped, 9 are being stored. The first of the 4 to be scrapped has already arrived at the scrapping facility.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:41 pm

One of the biggest defenders of Bromma in the parliament, the Centre party, has now made a U-turn and are open to closing the airport as long there is enough capacity at ARN. https://www.travelnews.se/sverige/flyg/ ... av-bromma/

I'd guess that means that the future of Bromma is even more uncertain now.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:31 pm

Stockholm Chamber of Commerce, that historically have been very pro-Bromma, have now stated that Bromma can be closed if Arlanda is expanded. They want a new runway at ARN, but it is still quite a big change from all the articles they have produced about how closing Bromma would be a disaster.

https://www.transportnet.se/article/vie ... _miljarder
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:38 pm

If Bromma is closed, do Air Leap or BRA have any chance of surviving long term, particularly after BRA's return from the dead earlier this year ? The only possibility might be for them to act as a feeder airline from smaller airports to SAS and at lower cost than SAS crew - but I'm not sure what then happens to Nordica/Region/XFly
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:47 am

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If Bromma is closed, do Air Leap or BRA have any chance of surviving long term, particularly after BRA's return from the dead earlier this year ? The only possibility might be for them to act as a feeder airline from smaller airports to SAS and at lower cost than SAS crew - but I'm not sure what then happens to Nordica/Region/XFly


Who knows? It will certainly be harder for BRA to compete with SAS on the larger routes. But if Norwegian goes under there might be an opening in the market for BRA to fill.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:10 am

Its seems that Icelandair has really cut its network to a minimal operation this October:

- REK-AMS 2x weekly B763
- REK-BOS 2x weekly B763
- REK-CPH 5x weekly B763
- REK-LHR 2x weekly B763

Occasional flights to other destinations are possible.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:00 am

factsonly wrote:
Its seems that Icelandair has really cut its network to a minimal operation this October:

- REK-AMS 2x weekly B763
- REK-BOS 2x weekly B763
- REK-CPH 5x weekly B763
- REK-LHR 2x weekly B763

Occasional flights to other destinations are possible.


Assume they will go from KEF....and not REK (the domestic airport in Reykjavik) ;)
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:44 pm

factsonly wrote:
Its seems that Icelandair has really cut its network to a minimal operation this October:

- REK-AMS 2x weekly B763
- REK-BOS 2x weekly B763
- REK-CPH 5x weekly B763
- REK-LHR 2x weekly B763

Occasional flights to other destinations are possible.

Quote from the KEF web site:

ALL ARRIVING PASSENGERS MUST BE TESTED OR QUARANTINED
As of 19th August 2020 (00.00) all arriving passengers can choose between a 14-day quarantine or a double testing procedure along with a quarantine for 5-6 days.


That practically "prohibits" all traffic except cargo.
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:36 am

Norwegian Prime minister Erna Solberg yesterday stated she supports a boycott initiated by norwegian unions towards Wizz’ announced norwegian domestic routes, saying a non union airline would be un-acceptable in Norway.

The remarkable part of this is Erna is a strict right wing politican and normally not one to agree with unions, making this suggested boycott stretch across the political spectrum.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:53 am

Someone83 wrote:
factsonly wrote:
Its seems that Icelandair has really cut its network to a minimal operation this October:

- REK-AMS 2x weekly B763
- REK-BOS 2x weekly B763
- REK-CPH 5x weekly B763
- REK-LHR 2x weekly B763

Occasional flights to other destinations are possible.


Assume they will go from KEF....and not REK (the domestic airport in Reykjavik) ;)


Actually, REK is the city code for Reykjavík, the domestic airport is RKV.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:09 pm

The first A321LR for SAS is on it's delivery flight from XFW to CPH as SK9156

SK9156 from Hamburg to Copenhagen https://fr24.com/SAS9156/25c71f33
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:44 pm

Torsby/Hagfors to Stockholm route resumption seems to have been deferred from late Oct 2020 to mid Jan 2021. There are no other routes at Torsby/Hagfors airports
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:53 am

SASViking wrote:
The first A321LR for SAS is on it's delivery flight from XFW to CPH as SK9156

SK9156 from Hamburg to Copenhagen https://fr24.com/SAS9156/25c71f33


Have anyone seen pictures of the cabin of the new A321LR? I’m really curious how it looks. It seems like it will go in temporary storage to things turn around?
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:14 am

Oykie wrote:
SASViking wrote:
The first A321LR for SAS is on it's delivery flight from XFW to CPH as SK9156

SK9156 from Hamburg to Copenhagen https://fr24.com/SAS9156/25c71f33


Have anyone seen pictures of the cabin of the new A321LR? I’m really curious how it looks. It seems like it will go in temporary storage to things turn around?


I have. Looks great!
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:26 am

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It seems like it will go in temporary storage to things turn around?


More likely until they have another one (or all three), so they can run a realistic schedule with the type.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:45 am

minilinde wrote:
Oykie wrote:
SASViking wrote:
The first A321LR for SAS is on it's delivery flight from XFW to CPH as SK9156

SK9156 from Hamburg to Copenhagen https://fr24.com/SAS9156/25c71f33


Have anyone seen pictures of the cabin of the new A321LR? I’m really curious how it looks. It seems like it will go in temporary storage to things turn around?


I have. Looks great!


Anywhere I (and others on airliners) can view them as well? :D
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:59 am

Some Nordic passenger number for September:

OSL: 574.574 -78,4%
CPH: 473.509 -83,1%
ARN: 402.686 -83%
KEF: 28.317 -95,6%

Haven't seen HEL yet
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:49 pm

Someone83 wrote:
Some Nordic passenger number for September:

OSL: 574.574 -78,4%
CPH: 473.509 -83,1%
ARN: 402.686 -83%
KEF: 28.317 -95,6%

Haven't seen HEL yet

HEL: 160,529 (-91.7%)
ATL, AYT, FRA, FUE, HEL, JFK, LCA, LHR, MUC | AY, BA, DL, FH, LH, LO | A320, A321, A333, 752, 764, 772, 788
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:30 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
Some Nordic passenger number for September:

OSL: 574.574 -78,4%
CPH: 473.509 -83,1%
ARN: 402.686 -83%
KEF: 28.317 -95,6%

Haven't seen HEL yet

HEL: 160,529 (-91.7%)


Why did HEL experience such a large drop when compared to its neighbors?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:38 pm

Finland has effectively closed its borders to everyone except those with Finnish citizenship or proof of residency in Finland, apart from a few exceptional cases
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:48 pm

VSMUT wrote:
Oykie wrote:
It seems like it will go in temporary storage to things turn around?


More likely until they have another one (or all three), so they can run a realistic schedule with the type.

Doubt it. It was planned for ages to operate CPH-BOS dispite it being the only aircraft of its type in the fleet. There have been talks about it operating some European routes, during the winter. If/when (and what routes) will probably be announced soon.
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:08 pm

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Finland has effectively closed its borders to everyone except those with Finnish citizenship or proof of residency in Finland, apart from a few exceptional cases


Finnair also seem to be still blocking the middle seat on some flights. I just flew ARN-HEL and it was about 80% full with no blocking and then on HEL-LHR all the middle seats were empty. At least the Blueberry juice is back!
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:28 pm

seansasLCY wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
Finland has effectively closed its borders to everyone except those with Finnish citizenship or proof of residency in Finland, apart from a few exceptional cases


Finnair also seem to be still blocking the middle seat on some flights. I just flew ARN-HEL and it was about 80% full with no blocking and then on HEL-LHR all the middle seats were empty. At least the Blueberry juice is back!


And compared to Norway and Sweden, it's domestic market is much smaller
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:13 pm

Even smaller than Sweden??

Someone83 wrote:
seansasLCY wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
Finland has effectively closed its borders to everyone except those with Finnish citizenship or proof of residency in Finland, apart from a few exceptional cases


Finnair also seem to be still blocking the middle seat on some flights. I just flew ARN-HEL and it was about 80% full with no blocking and then on HEL-LHR all the middle seats were empty. At least the Blueberry juice is back!


And compared to Norway and Sweden, it's domestic market is much smaller
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:01 pm

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Even smaller than Sweden??

Yes. Especially because there are so much fewer Finns than Swedes.
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:18 am

M564038 wrote:
Even smaller than Sweden??

Someone83 wrote:
seansasLCY wrote:

Finnair also seem to be still blocking the middle seat on some flights. I just flew ARN-HEL and it was about 80% full with no blocking and then on HEL-LHR all the middle seats were empty. At least the Blueberry juice is back!


And compared to Norway and Sweden, it's domestic market is much smaller



Yes, Sweden is larger with twice as large population.
According to Wikipedia Helsinki had 2,9 million domestic travellers in 2019.
Stockholm had 5,5 million at Arlanda in 2017 and 2,2 million from Bromma.




I think Copenhagen is helped a bit by serving thinner routes for whole Scandinavia right now with feeding from the north.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:24 pm

seansasLCY wrote:
At least the Blueberry juice is back!

Actually it's Bilberry juice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilberry
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:40 pm

Wow, I didn’t know Finland had that few I thought it was more like Norway than Sweden.
Norway stretches a bit longer, but also has half the population of sweden.
OSL had 12 Million domestic travellers in 2019. Quite a spectacular difference.

kanye wrote:
M564038 wrote:
Even smaller than Sweden??

Someone83 wrote:

And compared to Norway and Sweden, it's domestic market is much smaller



Yes, Sweden is larger with twice as large population.
According to Wikipedia Helsinki had 2,9 million domestic travellers in 2019.
Stockholm had 5,5 million at Arlanda in 2017 and 2,2 million from Bromma.




I think Copenhagen is helped a bit by serving thinner routes for whole Scandinavia right now with feeding from the north.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:14 pm

M564038 wrote:
Wow, I didn’t know Finland had that few I thought it was more like Norway than Sweden.
Norway stretches a bit longer, but also has half the population of sweden.
OSL had 12 Million domestic travellers in 2019. Quite a spectacular difference.


The reason for the high domestic numbers at OSL is a crappy railway network in Norway. Of those 12 million, I'd guess around half is on the Trondheim/Bergen/Stavanger-routes.

Another reason for the big drop at HEL might be lack of Europe-Asia transit passengers.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:09 am

Bostrom wrote:
M564038 wrote:
Wow, I didn’t know Finland had that few I thought it was more like Norway than Sweden.
Norway stretches a bit longer, but also has half the population of sweden.
OSL had 12 Million domestic travellers in 2019. Quite a spectacular difference.


The reason for the high domestic numbers at OSL is a crappy railway network in Norway. Of those 12 million, I'd guess around half is on the Trondheim/Bergen/Stavanger-routes.

Another reason for the big drop at HEL might be lack of Europe-Asia transit passengers.


But isn't geography to blame for that? I thought mountains made it difficult.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:32 am

Blerg wrote:
Bostrom wrote:
M564038 wrote:
Wow, I didn’t know Finland had that few I thought it was more like Norway than Sweden.
Norway stretches a bit longer, but also has half the population of sweden.
OSL had 12 Million domestic travellers in 2019. Quite a spectacular difference.


The reason for the high domestic numbers at OSL is a crappy railway network in Norway. Of those 12 million, I'd guess around half is on the Trondheim/Bergen/Stavanger-routes.

Another reason for the big drop at HEL might be lack of Europe-Asia transit passengers.


But isn't geography to blame for that? I thought mountains made it difficult.


And fjords too. It might be more expensive to build tunnels than airports.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:16 am

kanye wrote:
According to Wikipedia Helsinki had 2,9 million domestic travellers in 2019.


Which is less than TRD and BGO, but a little more than SVG, in 2019
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:58 am

BT will launch RIX-KTT this december, once weekly on Saturdays.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:17 am

Blerg wrote:
Bostrom wrote:
M564038 wrote:
Wow, I didn’t know Finland had that few I thought it was more like Norway than Sweden.
Norway stretches a bit longer, but also has half the population of sweden.
OSL had 12 Million domestic travellers in 2019. Quite a spectacular difference.


The reason for the high domestic numbers at OSL is a crappy railway network in Norway. Of those 12 million, I'd guess around half is on the Trondheim/Bergen/Stavanger-routes.

Another reason for the big drop at HEL might be lack of Europe-Asia transit passengers.


But isn't geography to blame for that? I thought mountains made it difficult.


Have you told the Swiss about that? Sure it is more difficult in Norwegian terrain compared to Finland, but Norway's political planning has been to focus on roads and air travel and not on railways. However, regardless of the reason, the state of the Norwegian railways means people are more likely fly Oslo-Trondheim compared to Stockholm-Gothenburg.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:30 am

Bostrom wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Bostrom wrote:

The reason for the high domestic numbers at OSL is a crappy railway network in Norway. Of those 12 million, I'd guess around half is on the Trondheim/Bergen/Stavanger-routes.

Another reason for the big drop at HEL might be lack of Europe-Asia transit passengers.


But isn't geography to blame for that? I thought mountains made it difficult.


Have you told the Swiss about that? Sure it is more difficult in Norwegian terrain compared to Finland, but Norway's political planning has been to focus on roads and air travel and not on railways. However, regardless of the reason, the state of the Norwegian railways means people are more likely fly Oslo-Trondheim compared to Stockholm-Gothenburg.


Switzerland is 1/10th the size and have 50% more population. Not to mention have many more large cities compared Norway and are far closer than OSL-TRD or OSL-TOS.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:45 pm

The share issue at SAS is now finished, but only 90,5% of the shares issue was fullfilled, meaning the government of Denmark and Sweden will take a larger part to cover this missing 9,5%

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Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos