marcogr12 wrote:

Is the norwegian branch of SAS the only one without any based CRJ900s? I seem to come upon them only on flights out of CPH and ARN.. Eventually SAS will have to decide what they will be replaced with..How old the CRJs? With the production line gone it will be hard to keep them for a very long time..And SAS will have to find sth under the 180pax category, qualifying for regional jet, assuming they retire all 737 and replace them with Neos..Isnt that the plan for the whole SH-fleet in all 3 countries? They dont have many options...either Ejets or A220s

Cityjet operate some CRJ-900s on Norwegian routes on behalf of SAS. One OSL-SVG round trip on Saturdays, SVG-TRD, SVG-ABZ, AAL-OSL and BLL-OSL, although they are operated by aircraft and crews based at CPH. There are no plans to retire the CRJs anytime soon. Most of them are from 2016-18, with a few of them being from 2009 (EI-GE*).
All CRJs from ARN are operated by Nordica/Xfly. Those were built between 2009 and 2012.
SAS actually own a company listed as "Airstair 4 A/S" in Denmark, which is planned to be a new "in-house" airline operating a fleet of mid-size jets, such as the A220 or E2s, however there have been rumours that due to the engine problems on the A220s, there won't be an order anytime soon.

seansasLCY wrote:

marcogr12 wrote:

Is the norwegian branch of SAS the only one without any based CRJ900s? I seem to come upon them only on flights out of CPH and ARN.. Eventually SAS will have to decide what they will be replaced with..How old the CRJs? With the production line gone it will be hard to keep them for a very long time..And SAS will have to find sth under the 180pax category, qualifying for regional jet, assuming they retire all 737 and replace them with Neos..Isnt that the plan for the whole SH-fleet in all 3 countries? They dont have many options...either Ejets or A220s

There were rumours before about Air Baltic operating A220’s on behalf of SAS.

SAS said multiple times they are happy for the smaller aircraft to be operated by others for them. The CRJ900 still has a while left yet. Some of them are not even 5 years old.

Who actually owns the planes? I know some were operated by SAS and registered in Denmark. They then went to Climber and then on to Cityjet.

I believe that it's Falko and NAC that own the Cityjet CRJs, whilst the Xfly ones are owned by Falko.

Well, rumour is that SAS is part of the CRJ financing for their wetlease operators

marcogr12 wrote:

Is the norwegian branch of SAS the only one without any based CRJ900s? I seem to come upon them only on flights out of CPH and ARN.. Eventually SAS will have to decide what they will be replaced with..How old the CRJs? With the production line gone it will be hard to keep them for a very long time..And SAS will have to find sth under the 180pax category, qualifying for regional jet, assuming they retire all 737 and replace them with Neos..Isnt that the plan for the whole SH-fleet in all 3 countries? They dont have many options...either Ejets or A220s

The CRJs have been used regularly on OSL-ABZ and SVG-ABZ. As mentioned, A220s operated by Air Baltic has been rumoured.

Well, it seems that it's not widely used out of OSL, which makes one wonder how they cover thin routes and low demand periods, but i am happy that SAS is planning on keeping them for a long period of time..With the traffic slump predicted to last for another 2-3 years, they certainly come in handy on a lot of routes on intrascandic connections and on flights Scandinavia-Europe...I love these little rockets and contrary to popular belief, i find the -900 model very pleasant and comfy for its kind, not claustrophobic like the CRJ200..

marcogr12 wrote:

Well, it seems that it's not widely used out of OSL, which makes one wonder how they cover thin routes and low demand periods, but i am happy that SAS is planning on keeping them for a long period of time..With the traffic slump predicted to last for another 2-3 years, they certainly come in handy on a lot of routes on intrascandic connections and on flights Scandinavia-Europe...I love these little rockets and contrary to popular belief, i find the -900 model very pleasant and comfy for its kind, not claustrophobic like the CRJ200..

The CRJ has never been widely used at OSL, although with many exception. BLL, ABZ, AAR, AAL, HEL was typical CRJ routes pre-covid, and also typical to keep up the frequencies during weekend/off-seaons on other major routes

HEL has decided to close a runway again since traffic has failed to go back to pre-covid levels. Runway 3 (04R/22L) was closed on 1st november and will remain closed until april. This is the second runway closure, runway 3 (04L/22R) was closed from april to early august due to reduced traffic.

Scandinavia looks to be impacted less than the rest of Europe, by the Second COVID-19 wave:

From the top domestic traffic flows;
- Denmark (+26%)
- Norway (+5%)
- France (-67%),
- Germany (-26%),
- Italy (-26%),
- UK (-25%),
- Spain (-14%),
- Turkey (-10%),
- Sweden (-8%)
- Greece (-4%).

The second week of November 2020, Turkish Airlines was the airline with the highest number of daily flights with 591 flights on Wed 11 Nov a decrease of -4% compared to Wednesday 28 October (-24 flights),
- Ryanair (478 flights, -15%, -87 flights),
- KLM (337, -7%, -25),
- SAS (324, +3%, +8),
- Widerøe (321, -2%, -8),
- Pegasus (289, -9%, -30),
- DHL Express (279, -2%, -5),
- Lufthansa (261, -41%, -181),
- Air France (213, -57%, -279),
- Qatar Airways (163, +1%, +2),
- Bristow Norway (135, +111%, +71)
- British Airways (114, -66%, -225).
- easyJet’s ranking is 74th with just 23 flights -90% (-204 flights) over 2 weeks.

Compared to 2019:
- Widerøe operated at -20% on Wednesday 11 November 2020
- Pegasus (-32%),
- KLM (-50%),
- Turkish Airlines (-51%),
- Ryanair (-69%),
- Air France (-81%),
- Lufthansa (-82%),
- British Airways (-87%),
- Wizz Air (-91%)
- easyJet (-98%).

https://www.eurocontrol.int/sites/defau ... 112020.pdf

Air Leap is reducing traffic again.

BMA-Ronneby and ARN-Visby will be suspended, and on the following routes the frequencies will be reduced:

BMA to Visby, Halmstad, Ängelholm and Malmö
GOT - Visby
ARN - Mariehamn - Åbo
OSL - Røros

Apologies if I missed it on a.net, but earlier this month, Amapola dropped the Malmo-Arlanda route. They still fly Malmo-Bromma

davidjohnson6 wrote:

Apologies if I missed it on a.net, but earlier this month, Amapola dropped the Malmo-Arlanda route. They still fly Malmo-Bromma

I'm not surprised. It must be hard to compete with SAS and SJ on the route if you use F50s.

Some October traffik numbers:

CPH:
Domestic: 54 091 -61,0%
Europe 314 897 -86,2%
IC. 25 282 -91,8%
Total 394 270 -85,5%

OSL:
Domestic 445 853 -59,5,0%
International 117 368 -92,0%
Total 563 221 -78,1%

HEL:
Total: 146,937 -92%

ARN:
Domestic 154 183 -66,6%
International 309 682 -82,6%
Total 463 865 -79,3%

Ryanair seem to have dropped their Aalborg-London Stansted route

davidjohnson6 wrote:

Ryanair seem to have dropped their Aalborg-London Stansted route

At the moment, no flights or boats from Denmark are permitted to land or dock in the U.K. so perhaps as a consequence of that.

Wizzair has opened up bookings OSL-SVG (2x daily) and OSL-EVE (1x daily) from mid-December. Although I cannot see if they plan to reduce on other domestic Norwegian routes compared to what they announced earlier

CPH will mothball approximately 40% of the terminal - or 24 gates - from next week, reports SVT (in Swedish) here.

jamesontheroad wrote:

CPH will mothball approximately 40% of the terminal - or 24 gates - from next week, reports SVT (in Swedish) here.

They will deactivate the A-gates, from 25NOV and to end 2021.

minilinde wrote:

jamesontheroad wrote:

CPH will mothball approximately 40% of the terminal - or 24 gates - from next week, reports SVT (in Swedish) here.

They will deactivate the A-gates, from 25NOV and to end 2021.

It isn't expected to reopen until 2022. Closed areas include the former domestic gates:



https://check-in.dk/cph-lukker-40-proce ... dtil-2022/

How active were the A gates and former domestic pier in 2019 ? For the last few years, whenever I had a couple of hours to wait at CPH and wanted somewhere quiet to sit while reading a book, this area was always the place to go - very easy to find a place with peace+quiet

davidjohnson6 wrote:

How active were the A gates and former domestic pier in 2019 ? For the last few years, whenever I had a couple of hours to wait at CPH and wanted somewhere quiet to sit while reading a book, this area was always the place to go - very easy to find a place with peace+quiet

It's where you find most non-SAS schengen flights. Swiss, KLM, Air France, Finnair, Brussels Airlines, Austrian, Aegean, DAT, many of Norwegians flights, Alsie Express, LOT, Luxair, TAP to name a few that tend to park out there. It is normally busy in waves with many departures coinciding. 99% of my flights in and out of CPH went from the A pier.

VSMUT wrote:

davidjohnson6 wrote:

How active were the A gates and former domestic pier in 2019 ? For the last few years, whenever I had a couple of hours to wait at CPH and wanted somewhere quiet to sit while reading a book, this area was always the place to go - very easy to find a place with peace+quiet

It's where you find most non-SAS schengen flights. Swiss, KLM, Air France, Finnair, Brussels Airlines, Austrian, Aegean, DAT, many of Norwegians flights, Alsie Express, LOT, Luxair, TAP to name a few that tend to park out there. It is normally busy in waves with many departures coinciding. 99% of my flights in and out of CPH went from the A pier.

That was the A-pir and most of the A-gates. I think i specifically asked about the former A-gates that used to be for domestic flights. Haven't those been a little less frequent used than many other gates recently?

davidjohnson6 wrote:

How active were the A gates and former domestic pier in 2019 ? For the last few years, whenever I had a couple of hours to wait at CPH and wanted somewhere quiet to sit while reading a book, this area was always the place to go - very easy to find a place with peace+quiet

Quite busy, especially in the summer.

A2-A17 was home to: DAT, Alsie Express, Lufthansa, SWISS, Austrian, Brussels Airlines, Eurowings, Czech Airlines/Smartwings, Norwegian, SAS, KLM, Air France, Atlantic Airways, Aegean, Finnair, Iberia Express, Air Baltic, BRA and TUI.

A18-A34 was home to: Sunclass, Jettime, Great Dane, KLM, Air France, Finnair, Norwegian, SAS (mainly CRJ and ATR flights), LOT/Nordica, Vueling, Luxair, Corendon, Atlantic Airways (charter) and DAT (charter).

Someone83 wrote:

VSMUT wrote:

davidjohnson6 wrote:

How active were the A gates and former domestic pier in 2019 ? For the last few years, whenever I had a couple of hours to wait at CPH and wanted somewhere quiet to sit while reading a book, this area was always the place to go - very easy to find a place with peace+quiet

It's where you find most non-SAS schengen flights. Swiss, KLM, Air France, Finnair, Brussels Airlines, Austrian, Aegean, DAT, many of Norwegians flights, Alsie Express, LOT, Luxair, TAP to name a few that tend to park out there. It is normally busy in waves with many departures coinciding. 99% of my flights in and out of CPH went from the A pier.

That was the A-pir and most of the A-gates. I think i specifically asked about the former A-gates that used to be for domestic flights. Haven't those been a little less frequent used than many other gates recently?

The former domestic pier was less busy, but I've seen the A-pier regulars park there pretty often.

SASViking wrote:

davidjohnson6 wrote:

How active were the A gates and former domestic pier in 2019 ? For the last few years, whenever I had a couple of hours to wait at CPH and wanted somewhere quiet to sit while reading a book, this area was always the place to go - very easy to find a place with peace+quiet

Quite busy, especially in the summer.

A2-A17 was home to: DAT, Alsie Express, Lufthansa, SWISS, Austrian, Brussels Airlines, Eurowings, Czech Airlines/Smartwings, Norwegian, SAS, KLM, Air France, Atlantic Airways, Aegean, Finnair, Iberia Express, Air Baltic, BRA and TUI.

A18-A34 was home to: Sunclass, Jettime, Great Dane, KLM, Air France, Finnair, Norwegian, SAS (mainly CRJ and ATR flights), LOT/Nordica, Vueling, Luxair, Corendon, Atlantic Airways (charter) and DAT (charter).

Doesn't Lufthansa use the B-pier?

VSMUT wrote:

Someone83 wrote:

VSMUT wrote:

It's where you find most non-SAS schengen flights. Swiss, KLM, Air France, Finnair, Brussels Airlines, Austrian, Aegean, DAT, many of Norwegians flights, Alsie Express, LOT, Luxair, TAP to name a few that tend to park out there. It is normally busy in waves with many departures coinciding. 99% of my flights in and out of CPH went from the A pier.

That was the A-pir and most of the A-gates. I think i specifically asked about the former A-gates that used to be for domestic flights. Haven't those been a little less frequent used than many other gates recently?

The former domestic pier was less busy, but I've seen the A-pier regulars park there pretty often.

SASViking wrote:

davidjohnson6 wrote:

How active were the A gates and former domestic pier in 2019 ? For the last few years, whenever I had a couple of hours to wait at CPH and wanted somewhere quiet to sit while reading a book, this area was always the place to go - very easy to find a place with peace+quiet

Quite busy, especially in the summer.

A2-A17 was home to: DAT, Alsie Express, Lufthansa, SWISS, Austrian, Brussels Airlines, Eurowings, Czech Airlines/Smartwings, Norwegian, SAS, KLM, Air France, Atlantic Airways, Aegean, Finnair, Iberia Express, Air Baltic, BRA and TUI.

A18-A34 was home to: Sunclass, Jettime, Great Dane, KLM, Air France, Finnair, Norwegian, SAS (mainly CRJ and ATR flights), LOT/Nordica, Vueling, Luxair, Corendon, Atlantic Airways (charter) and DAT (charter).

Doesn't Lufthansa use the B-pier?

No. They changed from SGH to Aviator (same ground handling agent as the rest of the LH Group except Eurowings) in early-2019, and therefore switched from (mainly) Pier B to exclusively Pier A, and from Terminal 3 to Terminal 2. TAP went the other way at the same time

Looks like Norwegian will file bankruptcy this afternoon or tomorrow.

Kiwirob wrote:

Looks like Norwegian will file bankruptcy this afternoon or tomorrow.

Source? "Looks like"...

Norwgian Air Shuttle stock trading is halted as of now. https://newsweb.oslobors.no/message/518357

minilinde wrote:

Kiwirob wrote:

Looks like Norwegian will file bankruptcy this afternoon or tomorrow.

Source? "Looks like"...

Friend of a friend, turns out he was right.

If the story ends with Norwegian filling for bankruptcy, the main "asset" here is going to be the Gatwick slots, right?

a350lover wrote:

If the story ends with Norwegian filling for bankruptcy, the main "asset" here is going to be the Gatwick slots, right?

Weren't they morgaged as well for some bonds they issued?

Dahlgardo wrote:

a350lover wrote:

If the story ends with Norwegian filling for bankruptcy, the main "asset" here is going to be the Gatwick slots, right?

Weren't they morgaged as well for some bonds they issued?

Yes, everything in DY is debt, including the slots. In the current environment, I don't see slots having much value.

They will be stopped on the Norwegian stock market until the company comes with information

Any news on what's the situation at OSL airport? Checking their schedules I can see two planes on the air flying scheduled services to Oslo, and there are three departures to Bergen, Haugesund and Trondheim all three leaving at 16:20h.

a350lover wrote:

Any news on what's the situation at OSL airport? Checking their schedules I can see two planes on the air flying scheduled services to Oslo, and there are three departures to Bergen, Haugesund and Trondheim all three leaving at 16:20h.

Their Norwegian operation will continue. What they have done is filed for a "chapter 11-ish" process in Ireland. Mainly for Norwegian Air International and Arctic Aviation Assets, that owns and leases their aircraft.

Someone83 wrote:

a350lover wrote:

Any news on what's the situation at OSL airport? Checking their schedules I can see two planes on the air flying scheduled services to Oslo, and there are three departures to Bergen, Haugesund and Trondheim all three leaving at 16:20h.

Their Norwegian operation will continue. What they have done is filed for a "chapter 11-ish" process in Ireland. Mainly for Norwegian Air International and Arctic Aviation Assets, that owns and leases their aircraft.

Yes, but since Arctic Aviation Assets is all their aircraft, the Norwegian part of the company is also included. They will continue to operate the 6 aircraft domestically in Norway, until the process is complete.

This just shows that the company is not a Norwegian company, but a hybrid mostly based in Ireland (probably in Ireland due to tax). Good thing the Norwegian government didn’t put more money into that burning hole!

Wizzair just put OSL-HAU (1x daily), KKN (3x weekly) and ALF (4x weekly) out for sale from mid DEC

BRA's plan to return to the skies before Christmas has been postponed until February. The plan is then to start a few routes from BMA; Umeå, Malmö, Göteborg, Visby, Ängelholm and maybe one or two more. But they have two active ATRs that have been flying a couple of charters since September.

Is Longyearbyen considered domestic route for flights between OSL-LYR, TOS-LYR etc? If so, can Wizzair fly it? I see that Norwegian flies to LYR so why not W6? I also dont understand why LYR hasn't got flights from other countries in the summer ..They have such an international community working and there are lots of travellers who want to fly there to explore nature and peculiar surroundings..I am sure a couple of weekly flights from CPH,ARN,FRA,MUC,WAW,SVO/DME,LGW,ZRH,KBP could work out on a lower cost base

In 2017, Finnair wanted to fly from Helsinki to Longyearbyen. Then Norway changed the airport's status from international to national. Unless Norway changes its mind, flights to Longyearbyen will be to just Norway, Russia and helicopters within Svalbard

The volumes to LYR is also rather small and cargo plays an important role

While a domestic routes, the flights to LYR leaves from the international zone at TOS/OSL and you need to go through passport control

DAT will temporarily use their MD-83, equipped with 90 Business Class seats, on their CPH-AAL service on certain days in December, replacing ATR 42/72s.

Link in Danish:
https://dat.dk/vip

Another 737-800, LN-RCZ, has left the SAS fleet

Boeing 737 -883 30197 798 LN-RCZ SAS ferried 30nov-01dec20 OSL-KEF-BGR-MZJ on return to lessor

SASViking wrote:

DAT will temporarily use their MD-83, equipped with 90 Business Class seats, on their CPH-AAL service on certain days in December, replacing ATR 42/72s.

Link in Danish:
https://dat.dk/vip

As little as 299 DKK to fly on an MD-80. Not bad.

SASViking wrote:

DAT will temporarily use their MD-83, equipped with 90 Business Class seats, on their CPH-AAL service on certain days in December, replacing ATR 42/72s.

Link in Danish:
https://dat.dk/vip

Just to clarify, 90 business seats and 21 economy seats, thus a total of 111 seats.

But it’s at the Y seats at the back where you want to sit..... NOISE NOISE NOISE..!!!

Last A340 has left the SAS fleet

Airbus A340 -313 450 OY-KBM SAS ferried 01dec20 CPH-TUS-MZJ on return to lessor

Also Finnair's first A319, OH-LVA, has sadly departed Helsinki today for Kemble for part-out.

Someone83 wrote:

A new Norwegian airline plan to start up in 2021, with 5 either A320s og 737-800s. Seems like the Braathens family is involved, which own BRA, and several former Norwegian employees

No info about name of the airline

In Norwegian:
https://kommunikasjon.ntb.no/pressemeld ... d=17893264

And the name will be: Flyr (To fly, in Norwegian)

https://www.flyr.no/

Someone83 wrote:

Someone83 wrote:

A new Norwegian airline plan to start up in 2021, with 5 either A320s og 737-800s. Seems like the Braathens family is involved, which own BRA, and several former Norwegian employees

No info about name of the airline

In Norwegian:
https://kommunikasjon.ntb.no/pressemeld ... d=17893264

And the name will be: Flyr (To fly, in Norwegian)

https://www.flyr.no/

According to their website they are planning on launching in H1 2021 and plan on flying from Norwegian cities and Europe. They seem to be putting a lot of emphasis on them being Norwegian and how they are contributing to local economy. I guess this is a snub at Wizz Air.

The two first aircraft to the new Danish airline: Airseven, has arrived in Roskilde

https://check-in.dk/to-airseven-fly-ank ... -lufthavn/